Is the universe fundamentally just a mathematical structure?What would be the implications of that fact if it was truly the case?
OMU is a shitty pop sci book written by a deranged crackpot who somehow isn't considered a crackpot because he has a few letters next to his name. I will never read it. Maybe it could be useful for toilet paper!
>>16936353The universe isn't inherently mathematical, it's just that its possible to measure some things and math is the system we use to understand our measurements. It's like if you used the metric system to measure things and then claiming the universe is fundamentally metric. It's nonsense. Math is a completely made up arbitrary extension of logic. I would accept the the claim that the universe is fundamentally logical but math is just a structure built out of logic
>>16936377You’re missing the point. While math is indeed an extension of logic, the definitions that lead to useful systems are not arbitrary. We can establish different axiomatic rules for different systems, but Tegmark argues that only those which are internally consistent have the potential to evolve into coherent universes, which turns his theory into a version of mathematical Platonism.
>>16936377>The universe isn't inherently logic, it's just that its possible to measure some things and logic is the system we use to understand our measurements.do you understand why a model is useful? do you think that OP asked if the universe fundamentally is just a model, or that mathematics is just diagrams?>>16936392it's axiomatic that usefulness is implied by the existence of organisms and without that, the universe would be otherwise considered useless as a sort of paradox. mathematics as an extension of logic is not the distinguishing feature of why mathematics is larger than logic, or that all is logical.consider that as organisms (as an aside, with a consciousness) that we are all extensions of the universe, and that logic dictates the universe, while logic escapes reality for e.g. the ultimate "why." if OP is asking about the cosmos, yeah, it can probably be modeled entirely mathematically, and the implications of it would be that there are cohesive answers to all of the mysteries of its existence, or that there are pragmatic explanations for all of it.no, the universe cannot be fundamentally a mathematical structure, because it's not even entirely observable for one thing, for a second, doesn't actually have explanations for all of it, and finally, cannot be modeled in its entirety. therefore, if you wanted to ask conclusively if the universe is fundamentally a logical structure, the answer by proof of inference is that the universe exists beyond logic. we don't even know if there is a reason intelligent life has not been publicly observed yet. QED.
>>16936353the universe is just vibes mansome vibes are just so strong we think they'll last foreveruntil we forgetover and over again
>>16936353No, math structures are fundamentally human structures. Its what makes sense to our brain, the layer that which translates what we see/hear/touch/smell/taste
the implication would be that our universe exists in the same way as any other possible universe. the idea is called modal realism, look it up
>>16936353Mathematics is used to describe something, not to create it; otherwise, it would be a lifeless simulation at irregular intervals that would make everything explode in less than 1 millionth of a second.
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>>16936487>filename>is computer science
>>16936487True, there's always an odd one out there.
>>16936353Numbers and enumeration of things helps us calculate events in the universe, but ultimately mathematics is a language we invented for our own convenience. Mathematics simplifies the universe, but it only describes it to a finite degree in line with our own limited minds and senses.
>>16936353Max Tegmark is a delusional asshole. Like literally ask the students or anyone who knows him.
Max Tegmark has monotropic autism, that's why he thinks everything has to be math. Monotropic autism is like that, you turn everything into the one thing you know, and you don't like or don't understand anything else in life. You get filtered by anything that isn't the one thing you can tolerate.Many such cases.
>>16936392>While...>the definitions that lead to useful systems are not arbitraryAI-generated garbage. Definitions btw. are always arbitrary in the end.
>>16936579>Max Tegmark has monotropic autismCan you report on his vax status? I've recently seen plenty of those oozing retard children walking around who've been labelled as autistic.
>>16936353Interesting that half of this thread is retards who misunderstand Tergmark's claim and thinks he's making a claim similar Wigner’s "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics" and the other half just throws personal attacks at Tergmark instead of engaging with his actual argument.
>>16936357Samefag but who cares. My own theory is undoubtedly much better. It's based on consciousness and concepts from Hinduism. I've been working on it with Grok, Perplexity, ChatGPT, DeepSeek, Venice, Kimi etc. all sorts of LLMs for several months. I think it's ready to be published to Zenodo soon which should be, if I continue making progress at this rate, in a few weeks.
>>16936770>muh aikys you anti intellectual faggotdie in a ditch
>>16936770>I've been working on it with Grok, Perplexity, ChatGPT, DeepSeek, Venice, Kimi etc. all sorts of LLMs for several monthsPure garbage, that means.Flood the market with shitty ai-degenerated crap then stall critical discussions by rendering it impossible for people to access works that is not globohomo drivelling crap.
>>16936353the same author is about to publish>Life 3.0: Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligencewhy should i read his work
>>16936762Try typing the post you just made when you don't have his cock stuck in your teeth.
