Anyone can explain how can something exist out of nothing? How can something be created out of nothing? If time is fake, matter is fake, energy is fake, fields are fake and made by thing beyond our comprehension, who made the things that created these fake things?
>>16946965Obviously some supernatural force beyond physics is what created the universe and earth.The things you listed aren’t fake they are real because they have a physical existence. The way we describe them aren’t real or is just pure abstraction. You cannot actually see atoms or electrons so we come up with clever formulas and techniques to describe and measure them. Which are abstractions. The word abstract means no physical existence. An idea is an example of an abstraction because it doesn’t exist in the physical world.We will never understand everything in the context of how the universe works/created because there are physical limits with what we can observe or see.So it’s impossible to have all the answers. It’s just better to accept we can’t have all the answers and work with that.
>>16946965lol it’s mostly modern physicists and mathematicians who say everything is fake
>>16946965Define nothing. Define fake.
>>16947005>Obviously some supernatural force beyond physics is what created the universe and earthWhy is that obvious?
>>169469650 = -1 + 1
>>16947031Because there is order and structure to the universe which is why the universe is intelligible in the first place. Christianity came up with the theory of the intelligible universe in which modern science derives from. But I digress..A better explanation is to challenge your idea of language and semantics and ideas and treat them as human made constructs only humans use. Now with that blank slate ask why is there something rather then nothing? You can go back and forth with endless feedback loops of logical parameters that are unknown because that’s not a question humans can realistically answer. Because truthfully we don’t know.Or we can look for simple explanations you say an iPhone never assemble itself into existence. There was an intentional actor that was an artist who learned his environment that he may assemble an iPhone. Nothing has ever just appeared out of dust. Everything has intent for its existence.
>>16947055Something and Nothing are the same
>>16947055Honestly it's not even worth starting with you. First paragraph is already wrong in so many ways.
>>16947076>nothing caused.... nothing!>now give me a nobel prizeYou're retarded.
>>16947031Existence is the most /x/ thing there is.
>>16946965>Anyone can explain how can something exist out of nothing?Same way "something" exist out of your monitor. From start to end there has ever only been the monitor. Nothing was created, nothing was taken away, only your perspective of it changed.With reality, it's just a movie of 3D frames played out on a timeline, with the displaying "monitor" been your consciousness. The "laws" of physics are persistent patterns that we have observed so far in said frames. The real question is, who/what determines said patterns and how can the limitations be broken. I think we'll find soon enough.
>>16946965>Anyone can explain how can something exist out of nothing?0! = 0^0 = 100%>How can something be created out of nothing? Nothing is the smallest possible amount of something, if you already have nothing, then you have seeded the potential for everything else.>If time is fake, matter is fake, energy is fake, fields are fake and made by thing beyond our comprehensionYour mind?>who made the things that created these fake things?Your parents and teachers when they applied lies to children that you ran with to form your own unique worldview.
>>16946965It has multiple symmetries to break point.
>>16947055>Because there is order and structure to the universe which is why the universe is intelligible in the first place.No, you can only make a small subset of things intelligible, the rest of reality is entirely out of your reach and beyond your comprehension, you can not possibly prove that every single true object is bound to the exact same container because a universe is mathematically impossible via incompleteness.Christianity also came up with the idea that you should rip your appendages off if you might be tempted to sin, but I don't see a whole lot of christian quad amputees since christians don't tend to actually believe anything they report.>Now with that blank slate ask why is there something rather then nothing? But that doesn't make sense, it is mathematically impossible to have something specific without nothing since it is a absolute necessity that x = x + 0 because if x=x+x, it would infinitely regress before any x could be coherently measured.>There was an intentional actor that was an artist who learned his environment that he may assemble an iPhone. So The Grand Canyon couldn't have possibly been formed by water over time, god would have had to have worked out some deal with his poseidon like angel to get it made?>Nothing has ever just appeared out of dust. Nothing surrounds dust and is inside dust keeping it as a stable mote instead of instantly regressing to infinite dust.What did god appear out of, if not nothing?
>>16947076Kind of, nothing is the smallest possible amount of something.>>16947093>nothing caused.... nothing!No, nothing is nothing and functions of nothing mathematically must have caused everything else.0! = 0^0 = 100%
There was never nothing.
>>16947038what a beautiful, elegant demonstration
>>16947798uhm ahckshwually the gods are a polyamorous council we call atoms and all of reality follow atoms because they are the hip new gods of the new world unlike your old weak gods. The power of tiny inert law makers is very scientific and confirmed multiple times through consensus. Also, consciousness doesn't exist, there is no awareness, and it is true that true things are unknowableheckin sciencarino
>>16946965>How can something be created out of nothing?It's a difficult or even impossible premise if presuming total, inactive, nothing. It's easier to work off the presumption that the universe is eternal, substance is without origin, and our sense of it beginning and ending is an arbitrary application of properties we see in our own life to something which transcends it.>If time is fakeTime isn't fake, you can only have a fake perception or understanding of it. The most we can say about time in a general sense is that it's the implicit structure of ordered events of undefined epochs and their subtraction assumes an undefined duration (vector space over time, value is undefined but has order, origin and sign); non-general time systems are made by attaching a metric to duration (typically from a quantum, for example the time it takes light to travel a planck-length relative to anything else) and then offset the events by some origin (big bang).>matter is fake, energy is fake, fields are fakepretty much the same as above, you can only have a fake perception or understanding of it.>and made by thing beyond our comprehension, who made the things that created these fake things?This reality is trivial, it just happens to be one of many stable configurations which supports our existence and thus our ability to observe it. If it wasn't we wouldn't be capable of observing it to know that. You can make arguments that it was made, but you can just as well make the argument that it wasn't (so as to suppose it exists and was never 'born' in any sense).The only difference between accepting a creator and an eternal universe is that accepting a creator supposes a problem (whom created the creator) which only terminates by "nothing created it, it's eternal", it's easier to assume there's no creator and the universe itself is eternal because it requires less assumptions.
>>16947005Invoking a deity to explain the creation of the universe today is no different from cultures thousands of years ago deciding the sun must be some kind of god, because they didn't yet understand what it really was.
>>16947038>>16948840but where'd the 1 come from?
