Scientifically, should I get cryopreserved when I die? The worst case is it doesn't work and I die anyway. The best case is I get reanimated in a utopian far future.
>>16947298There's practically zero chance it actually works for you so ultimately your question boils down to "should I give a bunch of money to professional scam artists so that they can scam me?" I would say "no".
>>16947305>There's practically zero chance it actually worksBut it's still more than zero, and that small slice of probability mass has extremely high if not infinite expected value.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg_paradoxhttps://www.cryonicscalculator.com/
Worst case is that your cyro team is too aggressive at the hospital and ends up "preserving" you when there still was a chance of you surviving whatever caused you to be in the hospital in the first place. Medical personnel have long complained about this as the cryo people believe the quicker they can get you into cryo after death, the better your chances of revival later. The line gets very blurry, resulting in you potentially becoming a popsicle when you could have been saved in the present.
>>16947298yes but not in cryonics institute, they're a bunch of shittersTomorrow Bio > Alcor > CI
>>16947298nah just die and tell us what happens
>>16947318Why don't you just go outside and pick up a random rock in case it's a magical rock that makes anyone who picks up immortal? It's possible. The chance that magic is real and that specific rock is magic and the magic makes you immortal is more than zero. Just do that and you won't need to pay for the cryo scam anymore.
>>16947318>that small slice of probability mass has extremely high if not infinite expected valueIt's too late. Your brain is already fried.
Why would you want to be bound to your decaying old body any longer than necessary? Are you just another atheist, OP?
>>16947391say more? i am currently signed up with them because i read about it on the internet and it sounded good (i am not a smart man). life insurance is cheap. it's questionable that they only invest in bonds (that don't beat inflation) and have such a low funding minimum.
"they" being CI
>>16947298It's wasting power, so it should be shut down. A soul can't stay in a small space, frozen. Time is still real.
do billionaires, ruling elites, kings, ceos etc. etc. do this? they don't. that's how you know it's a scam
>>16947552>Why would you want to be bound to your decaying old body any longer than necessary?If you unironically believe this you might as well kys now. It's not "necessary" for you to even exist for another day.
>>16947577Or you're just vastly overestimating the intelligence/wisdom/rationality of the average billionaire/ruling elite.
>>16947420>Why don't you just go outside and pick up a random rock in case it's a magical rock that makes anyone who picks up immortal? It's possible.Because it's just as likely that the random rock is actually an anti-immortality rock. It's the same issue with Pascal's Wager. There are lots of small probabilities of different religions being true, so there isn't a clear correct choice for what religion you should join or what will reduce your odds of going to hell the most. Comparing it to cryonics is a false equivalence. Getting cryopreserved vastly raises the odds of being revived after death in relative terms, even if not in absolute terms. If cryonics has a 1 in 10,000 chance of reviving you, the odds of burial or cremation reviving you are essentially zero. 0.0001 is infinitely bigger than 0.
>>16947298Currently: huge waste of money. In 20-30 years: maybe viable.The cryonics field has been historically filled with quacks but has had some real progress, just nowhere close to enough for practicality. Spend your money on better-proven treatments like senolytics and SASP modulators that might ack-shilly extend your lifespan until the tech matures.
>>16947615That chart seems really flawed.
>>16947615>Getting cryopreserved vastly raises the odds of being revived after death in relative terms, even if not in absolute terms. If cryonics has a 1 in 10,000 chance of reviving you, the odds of burial or cremation reviving you are essentially zero. 0.0001 is infinitely bigger than 0.Problem is that "cryopreservation" is not any more advanced than those other body disposal options from a revival perspective, yet. The future advances need to come *not only* on the resuscitation side, but also on the cryoprotectant side so that cells aren't ruptured by ice crystals during the freezing process.
>>16947624>huge waste of money.You're going to be dead. You won't be able to take your money with you when you die. What is even worth spending money on in your mind?
>>16947603>If you're not a nihilist like me..... THEN YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELF TO PROVE IT!!!!This is such a pathetic thing to write.
>>16947680>You're going to be dead. You won't be able to take your money with you when you die. What is even worth spending money on in your mind?Performance-enhancing anti-aging treatments that already work, maybe allowing me to survive long enough for this sci-fi scizhory to ack-shilly materialize.
>>16947680Big fucken tomb
>>16947298At present? No, it's retarded. Not worth the effort, stress, possible complications/issue, or false hope. It's bullshit.
I heard the problem with modern cryo-preservation is that small crystals grow inside your cells, which irreparably damage them. I don't think there's any legit company out there, its all just a scam.
>>16947298Most likely scenario is nearly all the cells in your body pop during freezing, completely destroying your organ integrity if by some insane turn of events somebody actually cares to revive you in the future, well then dang they must have some kind of insane cellular reconstruction technology, have fun regrowing all of your vital organs assuming you even could be revived in such a state.Worst case scenario, gets really really really gross and involves your body in a slushie half decomposing state in their tubes because some refridgerant line failed somewhere. And while I don't want to be an alarmist about peak fuel, well refrigerants and the energy used to keep things cryogenically cold, are both largely products of cheap oil, and your chicken nugget butt won't be on anyone's radar as their operating costs go up, because again this would need to be a generational thing. Also consider, the future may suck. Even if everything by some impossibility went exactly according to your hopes with the preservation, you'd be waking up in a time that could be really really awful.Not that it would happen. Between intense cellular damage from the freezing, to possible decomposure from the eventual accidental but unavoidable heating of the chamber after so many years, all it takes is one bad day for maintenence and it's not like you're giving them enough money to care for multiple generations. And that's assuming they even actually deliver their service to you, you wouldn't be around to check on them.It's a scam basically. Because, yeah they might make you into a popsicle, but I garunteee nothing good is going to happen afterwards.
Neural upload seems more promising.
What about Nectome? Is it legit?https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/E9xfgJHvs6M55kABD/less-dead
>>16947298>utopian far future.east asians and europeans are losing influence by the minute, if you wake up at all it will be in a favelapunk lab
>>16947562They're the "bare minimum" provider. They don't innovate, they haven't seen any growth, they have far less transparent case reports, and IIRC they even use an inferior cryoprotectant.Tomorrow Bio is way more open about what they do (just see their youtube channel), is growing much faster, and they constantly improve their ambulances and protocol. For example I believe in 2026 they're planning to include blood-brain barriers openers to avoid brain shrinkage, and so on.The ONLY reason I'd pick CI or Alcor would be if I lived like, very close to their facilities.
