>>16952450
>3th
Alright, now Im my attention.
>then wait 5 more decades to relearn everything again
Private spaceflights changes that. They have no more "times". Theyre the state own spaceship company. They have to pivot or actually do risky/high stakes things things. This was that and we'll see how this goes.

>>16952450
Yeah pretty much.
If space flight wasn't so politicized we could take rational steps towards advancing space flight with LEO refueling, reusable GTO / TLI tugs, sun synchronous low lunar orbit station and start working towards a lunar base.
Instead we will take some photos, say we are amazing and do nothing for another 50 years.

>>16952473
I think the only way to trigger another real space race is as soon as spaceseX or its spiritual successor does the first profitable space mining

>>16952450
But I thought the fear of Chinese Moon bases will keep it going this time though.

Nobody else is even trying. Putin has stolen everything in Russia that isn’t bolted to concrete and China just keeps rubbing its hands together snickering to itself and saying “just wait… you’ll see!” and there are no other nations with the resources to do anything other than slightly outpace starvation.

>>16952450
People will complain that we spend too much money on it and it should be used for gibs instead. Yet again.

Space exploration with robotic probes is cheaper and safer. Building a permanent moon base is much more expensive than just landing there. Even the ISS will reach its operational end of life in 2030 and is planned to be deorbited or massively scaled back.

>>16956033

>the fear of Chinese Moon bases will keep it going this time

This. Also Starship.

>>16956185
Yeah I mean we have televisions and documentaries about mountain climbing there’s no logical reason for us to leave our houses and go climb mountains anymore so why do it?

>>16956196
If humans could explore space better than probes, there would already be a moon base and Mars landings. Doing things on Earth is easier than doing things in space.

>>16952450
>3th
anon I...

Scififags don't want to hear this but there isn't much for people to do in space. They repeat mantras about mankind having to become multiplanetary to survive, but that's just bad logic, countries aren't even self-sufficient, wtf are spacefags gonna do, build their own ASML and TSMC to make the electronics they need on Mars? With locally sourced materials? lmao.

Scififags could move to the Atacama desert right now and pretend the outside air is unbreathable, drink recycled pee, farm carrots and add a delay to their Starlink connection to get the closest thing possible to the Mars experience they can, yet somehow none of them wants to do that. Their dreams are so stupid they don't even want to live them.

>>16956945
>but that's just bad logic, countries aren't even self-sufficient
Nations transitioning to interdependent economies for efficiency doesn't preclude self-sufficient planets retardo. The Earth is already self-sufficient as far as economy and manufacturing go.

>>16957033
lmao. What does a Mars colony that doesn't need the Earth for anything ever again look like? Hundreds of millions of people and full terraforming?

>>16956143
China is going but knows about their QC reputation and really doesn't want the loss of face that comes with killing astronauts.
The same people that saw Challenger as a failing of NASA would see a chink equivilant as a failing of the whole country.

>>16956945
>build their own ASML and TSMC
unironically yes, because it's necessary and it is physically possible, there's nothing stopping us from doing this other than incredibly hard but solveable engineering problems.

your argument from incredulity is dumb and holds no water
>TSMC on mars, why i never!

if we were able to set up a global supply chain on earth, we can do it on mars too, it would probably be far more efficient too simply because of all the technologies that would need to be developed to make it work.


>B-BUT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE ON AN EARLY MARS BASE THAT ISN'T SELF-SUFFICIENT BECAUSE IT'D BE UNCOMFORTABLE!
that's also not an argument.

Good thing we have the Chinese now that don't depend on public opinion and election cycles for their scientific endeavors. So once the Epstein Empire votes another pedophilic retard in that scraps the program they will just keep going.

>>16952450
>like last time the agency will try to run before it could walk
we've spent 60 goddamn years walking, how much slower can we possibly go?

>>16952450
>3th
ESL or bot?

>>16957404
>if we were able to set up a global supply chain on earth, we can do it on mars too
no that's just wishful thinking. Most things possible on Earth would be about a billion times harder on Mars, so no you can't spend trillions to produce a few chips on Mars, because no one is gonna do that.

>>16958075
Future chip fabs will be built in solar orbit, not on planets.