Will we ever escape this shithole?
No.
>>16959411They won't want all of us anywhere else, or it would be the same. I heard 50% of people would split off into another direction into space.
>>16959411>reliable sun that doesn't chimp out all the time like a red dwarf and doesn't blow its cosmic load in a couple million years>metastable planet with totally unique conditions and a based gigamoon that sweeps up a lot of space rocks>local gas giant herds other space rocks away from us>multiple resource-rich terrestrial bodies we can exploit as soon as we stop being lazy>no nearby likely GRB emitters>no brown dwarf causing trouble nearby by pelting us with comets
>>16959411>didn't include pluto, kuiper belt, scattered disc, planet 9, or the oort cloud
>>16959643This, not while we share the universe with jews and their god they won’t let us
>>16959705did you go to Yale?
>>16959643it's the demiurge. he's being a shit.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdfReE0qds
we already have with the Voyager probes, next question
>>16960358He meant US as in human civilization.And the answer is NO.Especially not with the current lazy retards that we have on this planet right now.Using a rocket like the ones that brought us to the moon, it would take over 100,000 years for a one-way trip to the closest solar system.Plus people are getting stupider as AI is getting smarter. If we are lucky ChatGPT will get to another solar system before we do haha.Lol.
>>16959411Solar systems are containment systems. It would be pretty bad for the universe for humans to stick their nose everywhere else. We are a horrible evil species enough, other species don't wanna deal with our retardation.
>>16959411Known science would allow us to go to another solar system with the invention and development of some actually plausible technology, but anyone we send there isn't coming back.
>>16960896>Known ScienceWhat known Science?No one has even sent a man to mars yet.Are you sure this is something real and not just something you made up in your head?Using only known Science we will never get a man to another solar system unless we discover new Science.Lol.
>>16959411and go where? There's nowhere we know of better than Earth
>>16959411>wenot you>shitholetouch grass, you retard. people like you are the reason a retard like trump is president of the US.
>>16959411every alive today will die in the solar system. so no.will humankind ever leave the solar system? possibly yes. on a long enough timescale it is probably some individual or group will amass enough capital to build a starship and leave. will they survive until the reach their destination? who knows? probably not. in an immediate sense, no, stasis seems unlikely as a technology. so any sort of mission would be over multiple generations and have many failure modes. but they would be the first people to effectively escape the solar system.all in all it's not a bad system, i kind of like it. one sun providing energy with a lifespan far beyond that of life itself. mars right next door, a planet that is inhospitable but not actively hostile to humanity. like the perfect testbed for our interplanetary ambitions. gas giants with lots of potential. even an asteroid belt full of rare earth minerals. and no other intelligent life. it's a nice system. it could be a whole lot worse.viewed a certain way, one could say our solar system is practically perfect for an incumbent intelligent civilization to start making use of it's resources.
>>16959705is the solar system tailored specifically for life, or is life tailored specifically for this solar system?
>>16960357>the demiurgeGnostic cosmology identified two creator deities. The first was the creator of the spiritual realm contained in the New Testament, while the second was the demiurge depicted in the Old Testament who created the physical universe. The demiurge was often called Rex Mundi ("King of the World").
>>16959411yes but not as humans, but as a future genetically engineered species immune to cosmic radiation
There is enough resources on the moon, near earths, and main belt asteroids for trillions of humans.To colonize alpha centauri will require several technologies to be developed:Room temp superconductorsPlasma shielding Ability to construct ships carrying hundreds of thousands of humans w rotating gravity.Fusion torch drivesAll of these are possible within a centuryThe actual ships to alpha centauri would take centuries to get there, so they have to be generation ships.Getting even close to light speed is not possible due to the interstellar plasma and dust (extreme drag), the only way is via generation ships. But colonizing alpha centauri is not needed. The solar system has enough resources for an unfathomable number of humans.
>>16962119Ok then. Go ahead and design all that popsci trash if you think it is possible. Elon thinks we will have a man on Mars by 2030 but the latest moon mission was too afraid to land on the moon and just went around lol.
>>16962133 The move elon is going towards I would speculate is to build a moon base that would be a launch pad for building an antigrav space station orbiting the kuiper belt like the troll at the edge of the disc in discworld that collects the cool stuff that like falls like off the end of the disc
>>16962133We have robots on Mars already.
PLATO (2027) is estimated to find a few dozens actual Earth twins, no red dwarves bullshit finallyAfter that, ARIEL (2031) will filter them by atmosphere, likely finding life in several of themSo in 5 years we'll have a realistic target to get out of the solar system
>>16959411interstellar distances are too vast and what power and food source could possibly survive the thousands of years to traverse this void where even the sun is just another twinkling star?
>>16962133>>16962119This is assuming the machine gods are real and we can make them with AI.
>>16959411maybe depends how long we make it but like if we make it another thousand years maybe
>>16963966This. Voyager 1 is the farthest away man-made object from earth. In about 48 years of travelling in space it has covered 0.064% of the distance between sun and the closest star Proxima Centauri. If the diameter of the entire galaxy was the distance between San Francisco and New York, it would be four inches away from earth by now. And despite all this people like to talk about intergalactic travel and all this stuff
>>16959411Probably not. And if we ever launch a craft intended to settle another system, the ones who build it will be long dead if/when the settlers arrive. And we wouldn't be able to maintain contact with the craft for very long, either. It would be like sending a group of people to swim from California to Australia with pagers and military rations, except the swimmers would have a far better chance of survival if they ever actually reached Australia.
>>16962119Update10-20% of c is possible via surfing the interplanetary winds, so a trip to proxima centauri could take 30 years. Still need fusion or fission power supply.It is possible that some people born today could be living on a ship headed to alpha centauri. Far more likely before end of century is near earth and main belt asteroid mining and space cities. The technology for mining asteroids already exists.
>>16965328Your post is entirely hopeful thinking and "what ifs." Tell me when we put a man on Mars, because that's going to be a lot easier than getting to Proxima Centuri lol.
>>16962119Generation ships is the only thing I disagree with because it takes people lives away to be spent traveling to another solar system instead of living up in earth or mars. I suggest we find a way to move faster than the speed of light without killing us.
>>16965650The alcubierre drive is at least theoretically possible but i would claim that getting above the gravity well for the solar system is also important because once that is done the ability to manipulate space and time would potentially be much larger outside the gravity well without interference from the gravity from the solar system
>>16965344>>16965650>>16967257If trends continue, moon habitats in 10-20 years, Mars in 20-30.Getting space launch costs closer to air freight cost changes entire economic calculus.Also, specialized ai are speeding up and widely distributing advanced materials science discovery, which means reusable ssto is possible. FTL not possible, 10-20% light speed is possible which makes a 20 year trip to proxima possible. Not exactly a generation ship. Thats probably at least a century from now. It depends on how rapidly ai tools advance tech. Either wrights law applies or it is exponential growth. Either way, solsys has enough resources for trillions of humans to live at western levels of wealth.
I have a theory that there’s just a universe painting on a wall right after where the solar system ends.The video contains spoilers for The Truman Show.https://youtu.be/-_zYn-HHcyA
>>16967628You’re inside a simulation that God has on His desk.
>>16960466>Solar systems are containment systemsoceans are containment systems, too bad we allowed contained lesser-species a way to bypass them
>>16959411No.The only realistic options for space travel are extra-planetary inbetweeners, where each co-traveling fleet becomes breakaway civilization in-itself, and/or a series of breakaway civs each bound to a habitable planet and its solar system.Going into space will cause speciation. Colonizing a planet will cause speciation. Relativistic effects will guarantee everyone gets further and further out of sync with each other in time as well as space.There is no "us" across such distances.
>>16960962The latter. Life popped up here because our neighborhood allows complex organic chemistry to happen on this specific planet for long enough for it to evolve and become self replicating
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>>16959411You can'tEven if you did you won't reach anywhere aliveEven if travelling with speed of light is possible and immortality becomes real , by the time you reach another planet where there are living beings the civilization there would have extinct already
>>16968901>speciationit doesn't matter
now that life has evolved the fragile rna moleculesI'd be all for sending bazillions of organisms in space in every direction and checking in a billion years to look back at those that made it and turned into crazy space-viable life that synthesize energy in completely novel ways with extreme mechanisms for protecting the dna
>>16959411Maybe. It only took us like 200 years to go from hot air baloon to spaceship. Maybe give it another 500 years and we will have acheived something greater that is capable of easily exiting the solar system. Also, if we are somehow able to capture advanced alien spacecraft it would not be long for it to be reverse engineered in our favour. >pic related
>>16971476It is our duty to propagate life throughout the galaxy. Earthmogging.
>>16960373Wrong, Voyager is a product of human civilization.>a one-way trip to the closest solar system.Nonsequitur, OP asked about leaving this solar system, not going to another solar system.>Plus people are getting stupider as AI is getting smarter. Good then they won't drive themselves insane thinking of possibilities or become too fatigued to run the autonomous AI managed ship during extremely long space flights.
>>16960960>on a long enough timescale it is probably some individual or group will amassWhy only will? What about the length of historical timescales and all of the highly advanced civilizations that seem to have just completely disappeared off the face of the earth leaving behind highly advanced architecture that can not be explained using primitive technology to this day?
>>16962119Why does everyone keep trying to move the goalpost from escaping this solar system to infiltrating some other solar system?
>>16959411Nope, too many brown people.
>>16971585you mean the dark endless void of interstellar space is itself the destination?
>>16959411Nope. Light speed is slow as fuck, and physics won't let us go even a fraction of it.
>>16972226>no new physics will ever be discovered again the science is settled CHUD!
>>16972252>just have faith that our current understanding of physics is completely wrong and be supplanted by new physics that let us fly to other starslol keep your fingers crossed!
>>16972226even getting close to lightspeed would allow a traveler to reach another star within their, keyword 'their', lifetime thanks to the effects of time dilation.
>>16959711Fyi their god is Aten/Athena, and while some want to think its Saturn, its actually fucking nothingCould be the cosmic highways, the currents, vortexes, and suchBut they later decided to build her up as "Venus" and ascribed to her what was both Apollo's and Ares'She's somehow more associated to financial wealth, tooStill fucking nothingProbably glitches made from their inverted, retrograde ways of Venus flipping over images and such
>>16972670Remember that Aten is remembered for pilfering the vaults of the priests of AmonCosmic apocalypse, spilled plasma, yadda yadda Im so fucking tired its been years goddamn
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>>16960901You lack critical information
has there ever been an actual test where some object is sent to some other planet or whatever at a relatively high speed (> 0.5c)?
>>16967259>FTL not possibleCurrent science models don't allow FTL, though that could change once you have research stations conducting physics experiments in space.
>>16959411Your answer is somewhere in the many motivations for wanting AI to become real.Real AI means we can feasibly make an AI system that can copy a mind.
>>16972710we can only get subatomic particles to move at relativistic speeds and crash into other subatomic particles. i don't believe it is in the cards for us to ever get a spaceship to those speeds.
>>16972843what if we put some kinda big battery + laser in space to push a very light object with photons and see what happens when it gets enough speed?