How would you solve low fertility rates using science?I start:-remove many women from workplace so they get bored at home and have babies out of boredom-ban goyphones (mobile phones), social media, TV and soap operas, or ban them just for females, so that they are bored at home and want babies out of boredom-limit or ban contraception. Banning might give result of having too many babies. Contraception could also be legal only for couples that already have at least two kids-limit education of women, only send some women (with high potential) to education, most women should be uneducated, at least before they produce two or more babies. Females should first have kids, when they are young, then after this they could study and work (if at all)-ban owning of cats and dogs, females own them instead of kids, they treat them as kids-lower age of marriage and marry young girls, at their puberty or even earlier. The younger the marriage and first pregnancy, the more kids a woman can have-make that at some hours during Saturday or Sunday, the electricity, TV, internet will stop working. This will make people have sex and possibly get pregnant-make that big houses are cheap and make people live in houses in the suburbs or countryside. When people see empty spaces (in the house and outside), they want to fill them with something, for example with children-have people own houses/apartments or rent from the state, because when people rent from private capitalists, they don't have stability, they fear they can be evicted at any time-tax benefits for people with children. Lower property taxes and rent (they need bigger apartments and houses), lower income taxes. Direct payments of money to people with children can be considered but they are not great, they can attract the wrong people to have children, the "bottom" people1/2
2/2-make places and events where peak males (30-40 old) can meet peak females (6-14 old) to find a girlfriend and then a wife. Or alternatively, arrange marriages, by families or by the state-allow dads to have some "fun" with his daughter, at night in the bed and during bathing. This is controversial but it would give motivation to males to have children. However, negative effect of this would be that the future husband of this daughter won't get perfect, pure, virgin product. Another similar idea is to allow dads to sell their daughters to males as wives, this would give monetary motivation to have children and daughters. I am not sure though if monetary motivation is a good motivation to have children-stop women from selecting who their husband is-allow rape in marriage. Controversial but could increase fertility rateThe methods that I listed really work but you will never see capitalist nation implement them, because they only lie that they want high fertility rate, or even if they wanted, short term profits of capitalists are more important than long term interests of a nation.source: https://supercommunism.neocities.org/
>>16963284Simply put aphrodisiacs in the water supply
Israel doesn't have this problem
>>16963302Notorious aphrodisiac abusers
Humanity doesn't need more than a billion people at a time. >lehaha, then you should kill yourselfPopulation growth has slowed and will reverse, especially once we stop supporting the third world. It will get back down to a more reasonable level without needing to resort to killing anyone.
>>16963341But whites and east asians have fertility rate 1.0 while niggers still have about 5.0. Niggers are going to be the biggest race by population.>especially once we stop supporting the third worldAre we really supporting it, or enslaving them and stealing their natural resources?
You'll never solve japans birthrates, stop trying
>>16963398Unironically the solution is to make them work less, allocate resources to encouraging them to start families and to spike their water supplies with aphrodisiacs. Those Nips will fuck like crazy.
>>16963417I forgot you also have to ban contraception
>>16963417>>16963418You incels will never solve japans problem of birthrates
why? what for?
>>16963426It would be solved already if they had common sense like me :PAlso incels are not real, I'm a volcel :P
>>16963284>Contraception could also be legal only for couples that already have at least two kidsIf your goal is to get people to have more kids then this would be the most retarded thing to do. The main driver of lower birth rates is people who have kids having less kids. I don't get why people want higher birth rates though. The global population is far higher than its ever been and increasing. If anything there's far too many people shitting up the planet.
>>16963357>Niggers are going to be the biggest race by population.We won't. The only people who think that are those sad people obsseaed about a hypothetical that rrally has no basis in reality. Mainly because they extremely overexagerate the number of black people constantly. They basically triple any mental estimate (already inflated) by some number that randomly fluctuates up or down bases off whatever deranged rhetoric they want to shill. Ine day we number 2 billion, the other we're sub 2 million and don't exist outside of movies and football.
>>16963285Well that took a dark turn. KYS
>>16963289>>16963314>>16963417aphrodisiacs aren't real, that's like saying "pheromones" >>16963497the source is literally right at the bottom you fucking retard
>>16963284low IQs will forever debate how to fix the logistic curve that population dynamics followEven africa is saturating, slowly. Derivative is highest near inflection point. But none of you would get that because "you don't need highschool math"
>>16963792>aphrodisiacs aren't realretard
>>16963302only because of orthodox jews on welfare
>>16963799>Even africa is saturating, slowly.?3-5 TFR is not saturatingThats literally a growing populationAfrica has 1.5 billionAll of brazil is black, most of south america is part blackThe carribean is blackTheres 50 million blacks in the USATens of millions in europe>we're?
>>16963943>aphrodisiacs are realyou're the retardshow me one aphrodisiac that actually worksdon't say Viagra, all that does is give a boner and you get aroused because your purpose of existing is sticking your dick into things
>>16963284>unironically saids everything buy paying men more money so they can actually deal with all bills with just one incomeHow is anyone taking these conversations seriously? You don't need to treat women like broodmares and the tax relief scam isn't fooling anyone anymore.Seriously give working men $250,000 a year salaries and they will search the earth to find women who will give them five to ten children.
>>16963958>Thats literally a growing populationJust because f' is growing doesn't mean f'' isn't approaching 0 or already negative.Again, I wouldn't have to explain that if people got basic analysis into their rotted brains
>>16964106more correctly, has been growing. If it still is f" would obv still be >0. But I'm wasting my time of course.
>>16963969I mean if we're talking economics, then 20% of the population pays 80% of the taxes.. So economically speaking, it would be much smarter to only taxate these 20% and trim the fat of the government overhead. The only reason this would not be the objectively correct thing to do is because it hurts the feelings of people who would benefit from it
>>16963284promote:>job stability>affordable housing>economically incentivize births>good paid and secure (as in no way losing ur job) maternity and paternity leaves>solid and healthy societynot rocket science you faglords
>>16963965Reminder that Sigmund Freud literally thought everything is penis and momcest because of cocaine.
>>16963284You can fix birth rates by destroying the industrial system itself, not by eliminating its symptoms. Feminism, environmental pollution, rising obesity, inceldom, the increase in psychiatric disorders, a youth taking refuge in drugs as a source of hope, and all similar issues stem from the industrial system.
>>16963284You have dysmorphism if you think people are a group, not individuals. It will split your vision, cross-eyed; I can esp see you.
>>16963284Anon will get carried out on pitchforks on week 1also>marry prepubertal girlscongratulations on skyrocketing death during birth rate retard
>>16964348You do realize that prepubertal girls can't get pregnant right? There's not an egg to fertilize and there's no receptive uterine wall to implant into.
>>16963284Make having children mandatory, 2 is minimum, if you make more you get benefits. If you dont have a man to breed you you get artificially inseminated, if you dont want to then raise the kids goverment will take care of them
>>16963284>Oy gevalt, Morrie! The goyim ahn't spawning!There is nothing to "solve". Caring about muh birth rates is kike-coded.
>>16963284>How would you solve low fertility rates using science?Stop educating women and make contraceptives illegal. But then again this is a problem that fixes itself in the end.
>>16964831>kikes, who have shilled the overpopulation myth for literal decades, suddenly want White people to have children White for some reason
A science thread?What do women that have children have in common, that women that dont have kids have in common?Should you guess or rather, look at the data of the billions of women?
>>16963284>>16963285All that wall of text when we could just get rid of all the brown people and jews
>>16965122>get rid of all the brown people and jewsYou'd need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons
>>16964969see pic
>>16963302Thats only because the jewish equivalent of the amish make up like 20% of the country. It'd be like if there were 70 million amish people in america, american tfr would be a lot better in that scenario too.
>>16963958>All of brazil is black, most of south america is part blackFalse on both parts.>Theres 50 million blacks in the USA12% max and that's assuming mixed race people are counted too.>Tens of millions in europeStill very tiny and ignores the fact that several European states have territories in around the world. Still dwarved by other immigrant groups.Your whole mania only works if the people listening to your mentally illness share your inability to comprehend basic numbers.
>>16965740It's like at this point the Chinese can run the international orgs and the Indians basically make up the vast majority of the western white collar class and people would still cry about the idea of a black guy in a middle management position.
>>16963302because its brown>inb4 coping diaspora who haven't been there
>>16965712That's a movie anonThose aren't real
>>16965712>kike movie about dystopian hellhole>the dystopian propaganda is telling people to have childrenDamn you sure showed me, I guess the kikes really do want White people to have children! Never mind the kikes who are tracking the decline of white population like they're watching for whatever version of Jesus exists for Satanists.
>>16963284not very liberal of you
>>16965900Exquisite pilpul. How many children did Jesus have again, christcuck? inb4 we be all his keeds n shiet
>>16965960>How many children did Jesus have againNot sure how that's supposed to be relevant. How many times did Jesus sin? Your question is pretty retarded if I'm going to be honest with you.
>>16966027>Not sure how that's supposed to be relevantwell Jesus was White (sic) wasn't he>How many times did Jesus sinwell he lost his faith on the cross so at least once
>>16963284genetically engineer a breed of foids with no higher brain functions and make access to them a public service
>>16965960We're all God's children.
>>16967074wrong, christcuckwe are God's CREATIONS, that's a big difference
>>16964110>I mean if we're talking economics, then 20% of the population pays 80% of the taxes..This is just exploitation, not contribution. No slave paid taxes, yet they picked all the cotton.
>>16967059>breed of foids with no higher brain functionsSo women?
>>16963284The reality of the fertility rate being low is actually much darker than anybody would ever accept.When you take a look at the housing problem for example, you start to notice certain patterns regarding class. Owning a home and using the property value change to try and "move on up" or net a profit actually leads to opportunity costs which is basically money siphoned from the lower class and prevents mobility. It doesn't prevent it completely, but more than usury definitely does in western society. Fertility and poverty don't completely correlate and there are some outlier. To make things worse, that means people who own homes are incentivized to prevent others from having the ability to build an affordable home or new house if it's cheaper than buying the person who already owns a home's house because it won't let them have mobility in the social economic ladder. I'm not talking about simple landlords here. What does correlate with the fertility rate decline more properly ends up being a combination of two other values which is the size of the middle class and specific laws regarding selling homes. These heathens are so stingey that they call it socialism or communism to allow others to merely afford to get a home or even to have opportunities for employment and sometimes the right to vote.If you remove the property value issue specifically and zoning, it creates higher fertility in western countries. An example of this is singapore. Japan on the other hand has a culture that is so alienating toward their own, not just outsiders, when it comes to opportunity at a lower class level, that their population rate likely won't be rising any time soon and they'll never fix it because that means not being a greedy bastard anymore. If you love your population you have, better start opening the gates or get out the fucking way, because if not, the consequences are immigration and automation.
>>16968156>An example of this is singaporeHas a low fertility rate lol.
>>16968167oh shit you're right >.> google lied to me, maybe I misspelled it
Muslim countries do all of that, including your sick controversial options, and they still have a beyond replacement fertility.
>>16963284What is ts diddy blud doing on the /sci/ board? I don't think you are Einstein
>>16968262>sick controversial optionsmoralfaggots when they try to explain what is "sick" and "gross" and "disgusting" without resorting to some 20th century feminist (jewish) talking points and "muh feefees"
>>16968459>rape and pedophilia being bad is a "feminist (jewish)" talking point
Ban all male immigration and asylum to firstie countries. Offer secondie and thirdie women breeding visas, they get 3 years to have a child with a firstie native. If they fail, exiled forever, if they succeed, 5 years to have another, if they succeed again, permanent residence granted, if they fail, deported when their child reaches 18, but not permanently exiled.You'd get millions of applications, filter them by age, intelligence, ethnic/social compatibility etc. The sudden competition might make western women buck their ideas up a bit.
>>16968613>can't define rape or pedophilia>somehow I'm supposed to believe that anything you classify as "bad" is actually badprotip: everything can be classified as rape if you're retarded enoughman is physically stronger?rapeman has more money?rapeyou can also apply that to women being in a more privileged position
niggs have good fertility rate because they think short termlong term thinking = low fertility rate
>>16970640>long term thinking + jews actively destroying any White person who dares to have a family = low fertility rate only for Whites
>>16970640>>16970682Hysteria
>>16968778Creepy and entitled af. Who the fuck types this shit?
>>16968778I don't see anything wrong with this plan.
>>16968778Sounds like something that might work if half the population didn't have voting rights.
>>16970705Hm. Well, if the population keeps exponentially declining, eventually no one will be able to vote. Half of the population being able to vote sounds like a fair compromise between everyone voting and nobody voting.
>>16970705>>16970709Stripping voting rights is such a blatant and telegraph move that ultimately achieves nothing but hand away power.to some tyrant or failson dumbass in power.
>>16970731The tyrants you're whinging about were the ones who gave women voting rights in the first place, in order to corrupt """democracy""" even more and help their tyranny along. There is literally nothing wrong with reverting this.
>>16964116Nordic countries have all that and their fertility rates are still below replacement rates
>>16970732Why is the idea of women being able to vote so scary to you? You do know total voting franchisement for solely males was also super recent too? The time gap between total male and men+women was overall mostly small in states back then, Finland had universal voting rights for both sexes at the same time.
>>16970738It's not scary to me. This madness has been going on longer than I've been alive so I'm kinda used to it. My point still stands undisputed.
>>16970739>My point still stands undisputed.You can't just declare yourself the winner becauae you got btfo.
>>16970743I see you're having a psychotic episode. No purported factual statement in your slop contradicts my post unless you live in Finland and think everyone else does, too.
>>16970746Plenty of other states had both sexes getting universal voting rights or a gap of <12 years.
>>16970750Which one of them are you from?
>>16963965Infant penile blood is. If it wasnt, why is every mohel hard when drinking it?
>>16970809kekmore like kike am I rightjews rape kids, Epstein is an IDF agent and trafficked thousands of white girls for politicians and CEOs to rape
>>16963284Only people with kids can vote. Each kid you have is one extra vote.
>>16970863Rich people siphon up all the votes.
>>16970689Whats wrong with it? Its entirely voluntary for everyone involved.
>>16970874You realize that the disparity between rich people and poorfags for wealth is far higher than for children right?
>>16971035Rich people can afford more votes and teach their kids to vote along their poltical beliefs so voting power disportionately is inntheir favour. More so when they start pushing for policies that further make child-rearing more costly.
>>16968778This. Unfortunately >>16970705 as well.
>>16970898>Its entirely voluntaryNot at all. Also tons of way to abuse the system.
>>16963284Homesteading act, its an incentives issue. Tv tricked the boomers out of the concept of the 10k year old tradition of intergenerational estate and conned them into thinking money can provide a retirement community that doesnt look at them like spoiled milk and is better than playing with your grand kids
>>16970852Fiat money is an unstable collusive equilibrium, the money gangs of the world are locked in a repeat prisoners dilemma- keep their money guns set to single fire and milk the world for everything. Though each one is tempted to go on a tetrazillion printing spree each day. Blackmail is just occams razor on how coordination is acheived.Than slowly all of humanities productive surplus is spent on an ever growing supply train of human flesh and preventing the populace from exacting justice on the racketeers .My prayers that we see all the money gangs mutually conflagrate upon each other as we watch from the sidelines to inherit the earth
>>16963284>Tax the ultra rich>enforce the Sherman Antitrust Act>make it illegal for corpos to own residential property, and put a cap on max amount of residential properties owned by an individual, like 30 or 40
>>16967159Christ is God, faggot.
>>16963284Someone well off thinks like this. It's actually retarded, and you don't work right.
>>16973439what is a christ?https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MPHyR92MQic&ra=m
>>16971359How is not voluntary? Also list 15 ways to abuse the system.
>>16963284Where is the science? Thats just ludditism. Id solve it by ectogenesis research and surrogacy motherhood. We have an entire continent full of aunt jemimas, that could be paid to carry around white egg cells and sperm.
I wouldn't solve anything because there is nothing that needs solving. There is no problem. Everything is proceeding as it should. Retards who try to stop the wheel of fate will get crushed by it as deserved.
>>16973542>just stop having retirement because women need to find themselves, dude
>>16973542Based and Kali Yuga pilled.>>16973545Cringe capitalcattle.
>>16973545You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. The wheel still isn't gonna stop. Maybe the pain of being crushed by it will awaken you to reality, maybe it won't but the wheel doesn't care, it just marches onwards.
>>16973550>t. Lives from "research"
>>16973554>capitalcattle confirms its identity
>>16973555You don't understand. Other people must have children because other people's children need to fund my retirement and socialized health care, to keep my empty and rotting meat husk alive for an extra 10 years.
>>16973559>never of heard of FIRECringe poorfag.
>>16973577Two More Weeks, just slave your life away diligently for the benefit of your masters. :^)
>>16973578I am already free. Go "research" something, Mr. Pee age dee, lmao.
>>16973580It's always funny to witness the highest aspirations of the inferior slave breed, what they think one should be jealous of.
>>16973581>dreams of being an empty rotting meat husk
>>16973582>capitalslave gets filtered by blatant ironyI suppose having zero sense of irony is a basic requirement for being a capitalslave.
>>16973583>muh passive aggressive ironyLmao stay poor, faggot.
>>16973587I can tell you're extremely assblasted about being poor. It's ok, just two more years of licking capitalist's crusty asshole and you'll be rich. :^)
>>16973589>da heckin capitalistsHoly leddit.
>>16973604Be sure to tongue Mr. Shekelberg's asshole once in a while, too, when you give him the daily cleanup.
>>16973447Parents forsaken stomping out anti-social behavior or encouraged it and we all now suffer for it. A mistake/deliberate action started decades ago having potential repercussions across decades or even multple generations.
>>16973669antisocial behaviors like listening to women in the workforce and handing children over to unqualified strangers because muh daycare?I agree. Children should get back on the farm.
>>16963284Has anybody tried removal of governments and jews?
>>16973604Greedy whites are capitalists to the extent they're willing to sack the future of their own grandchildren for cheaper lawn mowing. Of course hostile races like the jews are more of a threat, but do keep in mind how low most whites are; most are willing to ruin your life for bogus accusations, in vain hope of gaining public or social acceptance.
Genetic engineering so even the subhumans can easily produce high tier people. If you want to go further, adtificial wombs and government produced babies because normies can’t be trusted with that.>>16963341We need trillion on earth, 10 trillion on the moon.
I don't think a constant growing population is a good thing. Countries should have a maximum population established by law and try to control the growth so it doesn't pass that. It should be tied to the economy of the country so there are enough jobs and houses for everyone at a reasonable price. Less traffic, less waiting time at the doctor, etc.
>>16974132thisthisthis%10000 agreed
>>16963453>If anything there's far too many people shitting up the planet.We want higher birth rates for whites, who are in danger of extinction
>>16963284I'm quiet impressed, despite naming full retard takes you managed to pinpoint some of the essentialsIt's quiet simple>stable and reliable work>strong family economy>a decent houseIt's that simple
>>16974197>>stable and reliable work>>strong family economy>>a decent house>It's that simpleAbsolute cope contradicted by every piece of empirical evidence. Any culture that regards having children as an individual choice contingent upon favorable circumstances is an extinction culture. That's the actual truth that modern human cattle, all across the fake political spectrum, is programmed to ignore and deny.
Realistically there’s not much that can done. People ITT suggest restricting women’s rights but places like Iran/Pakistan/Saudi are seeing declining birthrates while being misogynist so it’s not a solution. My advice is to try and have a large family and hope for the best.
>>16974204lul, ye, ok retard
>>16974186>whites going """extinct"""Good Goddamn riddence! Fuck this enshitified "society" they created! This dystopian hell values "number go up" above all else, and the white man worships only two things: themselves, and money.
>>16974197>It's that simpleShrimple even.
>>16974204>Any culture that regards having children as an individual choice contingent upon favorable circumstances is an extinction culture/thread and scientifically verifiable.
>>16974456The opposite of that would be having children even if you can't maintain them and live a life of poverty.Do you think that is better?
>>16974214>Iran/Pakistan/Saudi are seeing declining birthrates while being misogynistEvery place is misogynistic and often times still heavily anti-motherhood.
>>16974464If the people who have everything lined up and perfectly set up still decide to have fur-baby #4 after constantly baiting everyone with "hey maybe you'll be a grandma" you know something is up with the culture.
>>16974132>>16974137It'a impossible to define an "ideal population" amount with literally thousands of variables. If we could do that then we would have already had high power super-computers running everything.
>>16974464>The opposite of that would be having children even if you can't maintain them and live a life of poverty.>Do you think that is better?I think properly functioning biological organisms don't negotiate about "better" when it comes to performing their basic functions. Mentally ill organisms do. "Better" doesn't figure into this.
>>16974467I agree on that, nowadays people in general don't want to have children because they want to have more time for them and do whatever they like.That said, I don't like the "have children because it's mandatory" case either. If most people nowadays can't even pay for their own things how are they going to maintain their children too. There is also an economic reason. If you can't even buy your own house and barely have money for you, you can't have 3 children. And having children to live in poverty and don't give them a good life, good education, etc., I think it's not a good idea either.
>>16974473>I don't like the "have children because it's mandatory" case"Mandatory" has nothing to do with this, either. It's neither mandatory nor optional. It's just what life is in a normal human society.
>>16974470Recently I read that Switzerland is thinking about to do that. It won't be perfect but having an idea of how much population you can sustain I think it's good.
>>16974476It's not exactly that that.>One of them, "No to ten million Switzerland", seeks to cap the country's permanent resident population at 10 million by 2050.Still doesn't change much since that cap is of PRs (and in turn civilians) in particular, not against any other type of status in question.
>>16963284>stealth pedo incest commie thread
>>16963284give every natural citizen a house>b-but the economyso you don't want people to have a decent life? ok then.
>>16974464From the point of view of the species, yes
>>16974475>It's just what life is in a normal human society.This. In a normal society children just arrive unplanned. It's all good
>>16963965>show me one aphrodisiac that actually worksJudging from the testimony of FTMs and female body builders, testosterone.
>>16974653The species is not in danger at all. And humans are not just cells or animals that their only purpose in life is to reproduce, we are much more complex beings.
>>16974204>Any culture that regards having children as an individual choice contingent upon favorable circumstances is an extinction culture.Nailed it. The citizen of a modern western country doesn't feel physiologically stable enough to have a child. It's not the cost so much as that social status is tied up in the wrong things. Having kids shouldn't be some reward bestowed only to those who made every correct decision the system required of them.
>>16974780>And humans are not just cells or animals that their only purpose in life is to reproduce, we are much more complex beings.It's this line of thinking that will lead us to extinction...
