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Is it ethical to create a human conscious for the sole purpose of making it fight through Hell?

>Researchers in Australia, meanwhile, have taught a petri dish containing 200,000 human brain cells to play the iconic 90s shooter Doom. One experiment has pushed a brain into a computer; the other has plugged a computer into brain cells.

>It was Australian startup Cortical Labs in Melbourne that taught a dish of lab-grown neurons to play Pong in 2022. Now it has built what it describes as “the world’s first code-deployable biological computer”, running on living human tissue rather than silicon chips, which is happily playing the 1993 shooter Doom.

>The average human brain contains about 86bn neurons – roughly 430,000 petri dishes’ worth. But how do you harvest 200,000 brain cells without resorting to a hacksaw and an ice-cream scoop?

>“Essentially we reverse the biological clock back to an embryonic state, induce them into neurons, and put them on a glass chip roughly the size of a 50p piece,” explains Chong . “Because they’re on a chip – and electricity is the common language between neurons and the computer system – we can interface with them and get them to play Doom.”

https://www.theguardian.com/games/2026/mar/16/petri-dish-brain-cells-playing-doom-cortical-labs
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If it isn't by Anglo-Australians (aka REAL AUSTRALIANS, FUCK OFF ABBOS) then it's fucking worthless.
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Considering the samples were taken from an Aussie, fighting through hell wasn't probably anything special or new.
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>>16964078
This is no different from a neural network, the training method is just different. Since there's no deep brain structure or hormones that could affect said structure it simply can feel any emotions anon. It's not RoboCop, it's just a cool demo. Even if you make it 450000 times denser it would still lack the structure that makes animal brains have emotions. So no I don't think it's a big "schizo man made horrors scenario"
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>>16964078
I bet all the
>muh brain is NOT A COMPUTER!!!
retards are seething right now
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>>16964085
I'm not an expert by any means, but it seems to rely heavily on the digital side crunching complex outputs into simple electrical stimuli, then interpreting the similarly simple response as a meaningful input. Cynically I would even say the pieces about this make a point to bring up the (digital) "neural network" so people read "neural" and assume the cells are doing more complex stuff than they really are.
It's not a nothingburger - there's the unsolved question of how the neurons can form connections to "learn" with no obvious incentive/training to do so - but they seem to mostly be a novel bit of analog circuitry wired into an otherwise normal computer. Which is kind of man-made horror in its own right but less attention-grabbing than "IT'S ALIIIVE"
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>>16964078
As far as we know, a generic human consciousness needs a complete brain and roughly 25 years of education without severe trauma to develop normally.
The DOOM Dishbrain is and has none of that at all.
>>16964102
>the unsolved question of how
Free energy principle is enough; basic stimulus response that aims to minimize surprise is the feature of the neurons that gets exploited to link
>taking damage
to
>unpredictable stimuli
which is the negative reward that is structurally undesirable. The rest is just Pavlov.
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>>16964130
Makes sense, I guess. I had glossed over the mention of the "free energy principle" within the article because it read like a bit of technobabble. Having looked it up I won't pretend to understand entirely but I get the analogy.
Being more familiar with chemistry and physics than neuroanything I was thinking of literal thermodynamic free energy in which context "life exists to minimize free energy" sounds not merely nonsensical but kind of backwards.
Unrelated, and kind of a grug-brained thing to say but skimming about the FEP I saw "Bayesian" a lot and whenever I read that word in a even vaguely AI-adjacent context my eyeballs instinctively start rolling out of their sockets.
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>>16964078
Its a normal computer with a spread of cells on top
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>>16964078
How do you figure "it" is conscious?
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>>16964078
>Is it ethical to create a human conscious for the sole purpose of making it fight through Hell?
I dunno ask my mom, she has experience with that
but if you want the homunculus' opinion (me), then I dunno man it is what it is
also
>ethics
go back
>>>/his/ethnics
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>>16964088
nah they’re just ignoring it like they usually do



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