Two weeks - editionprevious >>16966332
I believe in V3.Flight 12 will go so well that it will look boring.
Will Blue Moon or Starship HLS actually be ready for Artemis 3 next year?
ONE MILLION ORBITAL COMPUTE SATELLITES FROM LOUISIANA
reminder that v3 is still 50 tons to LEO
>>16969289grim
>>16969289>Implying there's a source
omg we're literally two weeks™ away!
>>16969287No. The refueling demonstration requirement alone puts Starship HLS on a timeline that doesn't close for Artemis 3 as currently scheduled. Blue Moon is closer to ready on paper but closer to ready on paper is not the same thing. NASA has moved the date before and will move it again. The more interesting question is whether the architecture survives another delay politically rather than technically.>>16969289The number being cited is from a configuration that isn't finalized. The upper bound estimates are higher. Neither figure has a source that isn't downstream of someone's forum post from six months ago.
>>16969302what's your vector, victor?
>>16969302They still haven't had a chance to change out of their flight suits?
>>16969310imagine the smell
>>16969289????source your ass, of course
>2, maybe 3 starship flights this year>artemis 3 likely late 2028>chinese apollo maybe in 2030>iss still around in 2040its looking grim
I love science. Good thread.
Musk wants to go to Mars but Bezos wants to build O'Neill Cylinders. Has BO done anything towards making O'Neill Cylinders a reality beyond some art work? I get that they need a heavy lift rocket first but you can't wait until one stage is complete before planning for other stages.
>>16969323>you can't wait until one stage is complete before planning for other stages.We have to fix LEO's problems first.
>>16969269it's not as if the cape is immune to hurricanes and terrible weather, flooding might be an issue but you can design around that to minimise damage to facilities when it happens
>>16969327The larger issue is that getting the sheer quantity of heavy machinery to this location may not be feasible without it turning into a total boondoggle. My buddy said the closest major roadway was I10, and that was over an hour away from where this is, not to mention the roadways to this specific parcel are probably on par with the sort of abandoned, one lane unmarked roadways common with areas like this. Boca had (has) roadway issues, and people actively lived there. Imagining them trying to transport the machinery needed to here sounds like a fuckin' nightmare. Unless Musk gets a total sweetheart deal that gives him everything and anything he wants, and Louisiana picks up the cost... I'm just not seeing it. Think about how long it took to get Boca off the ground, now imagine that the difficulties of that are made significantly worse by every metric. From manpower, to transport, to just getting food.
>>16969330food? Optimus robots will built it.
What's the flight plan for IFT-12?
>>16969337Up
>>16969337>flight planfirst one to talk gets to stay on my starship
>>16969283Elon-sama, I trust in you
what education do i need to work in aerospace?
>>16969346Honestly? Aerospace is one of those industries where if you have to ask you're probably already behind, no offense. The guys I know who are actually doing incredible things in this space -- and I know a lot of them, really tremendous people -- most of them were obsessed since they were kids. Like genuinely obsessed. That said, aerospace engineering, mechanical, electrical, all good. But the dirty secret nobody tells you is that half the best hires I've seen come from the military pipeline. Discipline, clearances, actual real world experience. You can't replicate that in a classroom.>>16969330The Louisiana thing is going to work out better than people think. I've been down there, incredible state, incredibly underrated. People underestimate what can get done when there's real political will behind something. And right now there is a LOT of political will. Trust me on that one.>>16969323Jeff is a great guy but the O'Neill cylinder stuff is a long way out. Long way out. You solve the launch cost problem first, everything else follows. That's just good business.
>>16969347is it easier to get into defense and work on missiles?
>>16969348Oh absolutely. Defense is a great entry point, genuinely. Raytheon, Lockheed, Northrop -- these are incredible companies with incredible people and the missile work specifically is some of the most interesting engineering happening anywhere in the world right now, I mean that. The clearance you build doing that work opens every door. Every single one. I've seen guys go from defense contractor to SpaceX to running their own programs. The pathway is very real. Only thing I'd say is know going in whether you want to stay in defense long term or use it as a launchpad, no pun intended, because the cultures are pretty different. Defense moves slower, more process, more oversight, which some guys love actually. Nothing wrong with that. But if you've got the itch to move fast you'll know pretty quickly.
>>16969349i wish i was talking to a real person
can we get a minimum number of 100% successful starship test launches before HLS lands on the moon with crew counter?it's got to be in the double digits right?
>>16969351ha. I get that a lot actually. look man I'm just a guy on a board talking about rockets. you want a real person go call your dad. or your recruiter
>>16969351we all do
>>16969346I would dishwash for Starbase, happily.At least until Optimus renders my job obsolete.
>>16969323No it's just loose talk to differentiate himself from Musk
>>16969337South of Cuba this time. Otherwise the same.
>>16969364Are they going to catch the Ship at Pad 1?
>>16969366The ship will reenter over the Indian Ocean and land off the coast of Australia.
>>16969367Will they do a Booster catch?
>>16969368Controlled landing on Tehran's parliament
clear is female?
>>16969399delet this now
>>16969399Eww
>>16969399I never watched a clear stream for more than a minute, I don't want to listen to some Japanese background noise while watching a rocket, still I want to know what clear looks like.
>>16969289reminder that this is a number you pulled out of your ass and it's actually way higher.
>>16969371be better for 98% of Americans if that was uncontrolled and on Tel Aviv
>>16969351earthers aren't people
>16969423The watermelons have escaped containment again.
>During a deluge test today, what seems to be an explosive event was observed in the deluge farm followed by the deluge shutting down.https://x.com/TrackingTheSB/status/2050769367877443816
>>16969440grim
>>16969440june it is
This is the best photo of Mars' atmospheric layers I've seen so far. Anyone know of any others like this?
>>16969440Finally, they launched something
>>16969415>it's actually way higher.>source: my asstry not to have another melty, eds-chan
>>16969440Flight 12 will still be in May, right /sfg/ anons?
>>16969458there's still enough time for two two week events to transpirewe're good.
>>16969449kek
Starship sisters..... gamblers are stupid and wrong... right?
>>16969471what if it launches more than 12 times? who gets the money then?
>>16969474Elon keeps it all
Elon Musk won
>Two specially designed mannequins, or “phantoms,” named Helga and Zohar embarked on a 25-day round-trip journey around the Moon to measure cosmic radiation exposure and potential health risks astronauts may face.What? Didn't we send men to the moon?
>Helga and Zohar are life-sized mannequins shaped to mimic the female body and fitted with over 12000 radiation sensors. Unlike conventional crash-test dummies, these two “lunar twins” are sophisticated research tools, sliced to replicate different body parts.
>>16969531Zohar doesn't sound like a female name
>>16969531Has there been any study done on radiation exposure to the fetus in space? Or just any study related to pregnancy/childbearing in space?
>>16969526So basically what V3 was supposed to be?
>>16969535
>>16969535The prototype for V4
>>16969526>just one more version brodo you remember back when v2 was supposed to be the mars rocket? Good times.
>>16969531>shaped to mimic the female bodyFully functional?
>>16969526Considering the massive wait for V3, this doesn't look good.
>>16969545
hahahah starship
>>16969561more like shartslip amirite xisters?
>>16969560Bezos looking rough these days.
> Our innovative storage depot mission employs thin, lightweight, all-solid-state panels attached to the tank’s deep-space-facing surfaces that utilize a long-understood but as-yet-unrealized cooling technology known as Electro-Luminescent Cooling (ELC) to reject heat from cold solid surfaces as non-equilibrium thermal radiation with orders of magnitude more power density than Planck’s Law permits for equilibrium thermal radiation. Such a depot and tank would drastically lower the cost and complexity of propulsion systems for crewed Mars missions and other deep space exploration by allowing spacecraft to refill propellant tanks after reaching orbit rather than launching on the much larger rocket required to lift the spacecraft in a single-use stage.https://www.nasa.gov/general/electro-luminescently-cooled-zero-boil-off-propellant-depots/Doesn’t turning high entropy heat into low entropy photons break thermodynamics?
Cancel Starship.
>>16969526>>16969440is starship the most cursed rocket?
>>16969624this ain't /agdg/ :skull:unless you're making a spaceflight-related game of course
>>16969647I've brought great shame to my household, have this as my apologies.
>>16969634No, it’s just far more ambitious and technologically advanced than all of it’s competitors, that’s why it faces more hurdles.
>>16969440
>>16969655Checked.
>>16969659Seems like a minor issue to me, i don’t think this will take them long to fix.
>>16969659There's no sugarcoating this
>>169696592 weeks
>>16969664https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhHjACjJjA
the presense of twoweeks-posting on the board indicates that a starship launch is not far off now, could be as soon as a fortnight, though maybe a little longer.
silly rabbit, two weeks are for kids.
we are shriveling up in this general. we're fading away....
>>16969676we can complain about spacex all day, but other companies and countries arent pulling their weight. together, they are causing more boredom than spacex ever could.
>>16969662i bet you feel real stupid right about now.
>>16969677checked.
>>16969679funny. this looks like a pic of the twin towers being hit
>>16969679>sir, a second COPV has hit the towers
>>16969683>>16969684OH MY GOD!!!
>>16969684why did they attack us
>>16969440captain, we have a saboteur onboard
>>16969703They hate our freedoms. We have to fight 'em over there so we don't fight 'em over here.We'll be greeted as liberators.I heard they have yellow cake and I'm hungry.
>>16969283Grimes will be my gf
>>16969707I wonder how many more babies elon will have
>last starship flight was almost 7 months ago
>>16969727In SpaceX's own words, V3 is effectively a clean-sheet redesign of the vehicles.
they'll just launch a few V3's before scrapping them for V4. then they'll do the same with V4.
>>16969730Just like how they kept changing Falcon 9 after Falcon 9 Full Thrust. Oh wait.
>>16969730You could've had a V8
>>16969526>V4>another year of excuses and nothing happening just to see starship explode in the Indian Ocean for the Nth time in a rowSo exciting, can't wait
>>16969734>>16969735they'll stop at V4.20 or V6.9
>>16969542Remember Big Falcon Rocket and Interplanetary Transport System? I remember
OH NO NO NO WTF this is a fake tweet???? The same thing won't happen to Starship right? They won't stick to V3 forever without second stage reuse??>Fairing is ~$5M, but that should be reusable this year. Am fairly confident we can reuse upper stage too by late next year to get to 100%.https://x.com/elonmusk/status/850453029987917824
>16969740Save yourself a click: it's a nine year old tweet about Falcon 9 before they realized the payload mass with second stage reuse is zero to negative.
Space looks fake
>>16969737They should go up to V8 just so Elon can make the same vegetable juice joke that I did.
>>16969743shhhhh
>>16969743space does not have the same atmospheric light scattering effects that make things look natural and familiar on earth.
>>16969743earth has atmospheric light scattering effects that make things look unnatural and unfamiliar.
>>16969289 Bullshit. A banana doesn’t weigh 50 tons, not does a drawer.
https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/SearchPhotos/ShowQueryResults-Lightcycle.pl?results=1777772559122361Artemis II unreleased photos.
>>16969763did they really have to dump their waste like that
>>16969765the purpose of the mission was to mark our territory
>>16969765>indians are on the moon now
>>16969763Blurry? Go back up and take the picture again, dammit.
>>16969762No, but that banana is not the maximum payload that it’s capable of, it’s payload is in excess of 50 tons.
>>16969570Would this be the fastest man- made object?
>tfw the US will collapse and space colonization will die with it
>>16969778China will probably pick up the slack but yeah I wouldn't be surprised if the US does collapse within the next 20 years or so.
>>16969778Too big to fail
Flight by the end of the month?Are we going back?To spehs?
>people are saying China already has V5Is it over for us?
>>16969570now give it enough delta v to cruise along side it instead of flyby
>>16969778wtf is india doing? superpower my ass
>>16969779The chinese will tell you they only have a space program because we do. As soon as we collapse they'll drop it. There's no human spaceflight advances without the United States, even if it's the chinese doing it. Similarly, if the Chinese hadn't started taking their program more seriously, congress would have strangled Artemis in her crib.
>>16969787
>>16969796>satellite is named SARcant make this shit up
>>16969797https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScatSat-1
>>16969799what the fuck is wrong with them? why are they obsessed with poop?
>>16969799
>>16969791You're probably not wrong but China's going to want to be seen as the new leader of science and technology, so they're going to at least land on the Moon no matter what. Maybe even reach Mars.
>>16969800The median IQ in india is 78The average american city has more white people with an IQ above 130 than the entire indian subcontinent
starship
If China wins, Outlaw Star could be realhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLwF_0Z2KHY
>>16969814>The average american city has more white people with an IQ above 130 than the entire indian subcontinentKek if you really believe this America is dumb as fuck>>16969818I was just thinking about this anime today. get the fuck out of my head, anon
>>16969815cancel, we must
Zubrin
>>16969819>>The average american city has more white people with an IQ above 130 than the entire indian subcontinent>Kek if you really believe this >>America is dumb as fuckWhat's up jeetie, losing a little izzat on the chan today?
>>16969815
>>16969824Ignore and ridicule, we must
>>16969809They will do these things because they have to, but they only have to because of us. Neither Japan or Europe will ever land a man on the moon with their own capabilities, and Russia isn't even wlrth mentioning. If we collapsed, they could shut down almost their entire space program and still be miles ahead of everyone else.
>>16969659ITS OVER
>>16969659>>16969839An observation
>>16969839how many weeks will that take to repair
>>16969842Anywhere from 1 to 3
>>16969834Europe and Japan have to get people into space before they can even think about landing people on the Moon.
Shut it down now.
>>16969846>trespassing
>>16969847They trespassed with their sonic booms
>>16969846i saw the news the other day. they are supposedly being backed by big money lawyers with ((grassroots)) funding out of nowhere.
>>16969846Trespassing my atmosphere
news from L2 is grim
it’s, over
>>16969852>>16969853wait, what happened, is it really that bad
>>16969852>>16969853>>16969855Samefag
holy shit
I'm not giving you a (you). Either post the information or shut up.
>>16969858it's in the 'cord
>>16969860How do I get an invite?
>>16969861should have joined earlier. no new members till after the IPO
>>16969861There's nothing going on. The jackass is baiting people.
I was baiting but I resent the implication that I'm a jackass.
spaceflight?
God is punishing Elon for what he's doing. The AI slop, the hubris. Sacrificing the golden goose. Starship will be damned to be Elon's Spruce Goose now. Pissing in bottles coming soon
Will 2026 really have less Starship flights than 2025?
>2026>pajeets and "I FUCKIN' LOVE SCIENCE" reddit mods are still Musk's most devoted soldiers
Will we live to see man land on Mars?
>>16969874b-but nobody on plebbit loves musk? are you drunk?
>>16969308We have clearance, Clarence!
>>16969874>It's 2020>The various flavors of jilted ex-fanboys and short-sellers are filled with unfathomable seethe>It's 2021>The various flavors of jilted ex-fanboys and short-sellers are filled with unfathomable seethe>It's 2022>The various flavors of jilted ex-fanboys and short-sellers are filled with unfathomable seethe>It's 2023>The various flavors of jilted ex-fanboys and short-sellers are filled with unfathomable seethe>It's 2024>The various flavors of jilted ex-fanboys and short-sellers are filled with unfathomable seethe>It's 2025>The various flavors of jilted ex-fanboys and short-sellers are filled with unfathomable seethe>It's 2026>The various flavors of jilted ex-fanboys and short-sellers are filled with unfathomable seethe
>>16969877I will. You won't.
Falcon 9 was supposed to be fully reusable, what makes you think that Starship will actually be fully rapidly reusable?
>>16969846loljust read through the lawsuit and it's complete bullshitit's about 25 pages of saying sound pressure above a certain level can be damaging and the big bad rocket made lots of noisebut then it doesn't give a single example of any damage of any kindand then it ends with this nugget
>>16969893>prayer for relieflmao
>>16969884SpaceX had that aspiration when they had no reusable vehicles to figure out what was needed to actually reuse a rocket, let alone how to do it quickly. They have that experience now, which unlocks the path to figuring out how to do both.
>>16969895That's just normal legalese
>>16969893>sound pressure above a certain level can be damagingwe have to test that again
>>16969902What SpaceX did to that seal is deeply immoral>But they were required by law to do that!No one put a gun on their head and forced them to torture that seal. You don't need rockets and you are not entitled to launch rockets.
>>16969903The seal was well compensated
>>16969902seal of approval
awwww he's smiling :)))
>>16969902>>16969908sfg - /Seal Flaying General/
Elon has not sacrificed a seal to Poseidon in a very long time, so Starship is cursed. He's a lot like Odysseus.
I don't know who to believe, Elon or Phil Mason
>>16969903I swear I remember Elon saying during some presentation that the gubmint literally forced them to torture seals, though I can't find it. He also said that they were obliged to conduct some environmental study in case a rocket crashes onto the ocean and hits... a whale, yeah.
We're about to get a whole set of new exoplanets with Roman and PLATO. I wish they'd fast-track HWP though.
>>16969874I just want to see people in space again.
When does LSST start?
>>16969923Exoplanets have been all shitty so farTrappist 1e shows a little promise. Seems to have a normal atmosphere and is earth sizedIt'll probably still be a shithole.
STARSHIP WILL LAND ON THE MOON IN LESS THAN 2 YEARS! LET'S GOOOOOOOOLhttps://time.com/5628572/elon-musk-moon-landing/
The relentless faggotry on display here is getting old.
either do something about the lack of progress in spaceflight or stop complaining about it
LET'S GOOOOOO CREWED STARSHIP NEXT YEAR!!!!https://techcrunch.com/2019/09/28/elon-musk-says-starship-should-reach-orbit-within-six-months-and-it-could-even-fly-with-a-crew-next-year/
>>16969941i wonder what its like to constantly lie
>>16969934My bet is TRAPPIST-1 e has a thin Mars-like atmosphere. Maybe the new 'scopes can confirm KOI-4878.01 which has very Earth-like properties. Only problem is we'll never reach it.
>>16969949>Based on four observations of TRAPPIST-1e using the James Webb Space Telescope's NIRSpec instrument, researchers were unable to find conclusive evidence for or against the presence of an atmosphere. The analysis showed two models the data could adequately explain. The first is a flat-line model, which could mean two things: TRAPPIST-1e is a bare rock; or it has an atmosphere of an unknown type completely hidden by a high, thick cloud deck. The second model is a range of nitrogen-rich atmospheres, with nitrogen as the dominant gas. Within the nitrogen scenarios, there is a "tentative preference" for trace amounts of methane (CH4) mixed in. The authors conclude that the primary limitation in studying TRAPPIST-1e is mitigating the effects of its active star. To overcome this, a new program of 15 additional JWST observations is underway. This program will observe back-to-back transits of TRAPPIST-1e and its neighboring planet, TRAPPIST-1b, which is believed to be a bare rock. By using the signal from the bare rock planet to correct for the star's activity, it may be possible to reveal whether TRAPPIST-1e has an atmosphere.
>>16969951This is a good thing for the planet's habitability chances, BTW. It means a thick hydrogen envelope is ruled out and furthet studies can confirm the presence of an N2 atmosphere.
>>16969884>was supposed to beNo? it was supposed to be spacex’s first medium lift rocket, even first stage re-use was tacked on later, and they realized very quickly that at that scale, 2nd stage re-use wasn’t going to be worth doing. They never “promised” falcon 9 full re-use to anyone.What’s up with people trying to create fake promises/statements that spacex never made?
>>16969947You just have to imagine you’re an EDS schizo on /sfg/ who spams the thread because he’s an attentionwhore.
>>16969934that's also because it's easier to find bad planetswe need better tools
>>16969962>What’s up with people trying to create fake promises/statements that spacex never made?It's most prevalent among people who thought they had a surefire money making opportunity in shorting Tesla stock and then they actually delivered on the most important part (The Model 3) and that put their stock through the roof and the shorts lost their shirts. This describes most of his most vocal critics, including Thunderf00t.
>>16969962>Nooo!!! you make it up!!!!!"Falcon 5 and Falcon 9 will be the world’s first launch vehicles where all stages are designed for reuse."https://web.archive.org/web/20080815163222/http://www.spacex.com/press.php?page=18
>>16969973no, it was a vehicle that allowed them to learn whether first stage re-use was possible in the first place.screeching for negative attention on an imageboard like this is pathetic, don't you have friends that you can hang out with, or at least a hobby?
>>16969975It was designed for reuse. They said it literally in their press announcement. And Elon Musk in 2017 still were confident that SpaceX can reuse the upper stage of Falcon 9 "next year".https://x.com/elonmusk/status/850453029987917824
Falcon 9 was supposed to do rapid reuse, just like Starship.>Our goal, just to give you a sense of how reusable we think the design can be, we intend to demonstrate two orbital launches of the same Block 5 vehicle within 24 hours, no later than next year.>The key to Block 5 is that it’s designed to do 10 or more flights with no refurbishment between each flight — or at least not scheduled refurbishment between each flight. The only thing that needs to change is you reload propellant and fly againhttps://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/11/full-elon-musk-transcript-about-spacex-falcon-9-block-5.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com
So Starship is basically the same promises as Falcon 9 but with a bigger payload?
no, it's just the same promise, period.the bigger payload was just a necessary tack on to make the promise practical.
SPACE REACTOR 1: FREEDOM on President's Desk
>>16969988USA really out here casually building interplanetary space carriers
>>16969988he's got a golden moon next to it, too.
>>16969941>should>could
>>16969973did... did you read your own picrel or did you just quickly skim an EDS place and/or ask for it there and then post it here?
>>16969978it wasn't, it was designed to test re-use and see how far they could go with a rocket that size.>16969978>16969979>16969984why the spam?
>>16969659'tis but a flesh wound
>>16970007"Evolved Expendable Launch Vehicle (EELV) class vehicle" refers to the program, they didn't mean that Falcon 9 was supposed to be expendable. Do you think:>SPACEX ANNOUNCES THE FALCON 9 FULLY REUSABLE HEAVY LIFT LAUNCH VEHICLE>Falcon 5 and Falcon 9 will be the world’s first launch vehicles where all stages are designed for reusewas just a typo or how to you explain that?
>>16969988>More details on the SR-1 Freedom (gay name). >The goal is to generate 20 kilowatts of electrical power using high-assay low-enriched uranium, or HALEU. >The reactor will be placed at one end of a truss to protect spacecraft electronics from the radiation it produces. >At the other end of the truss will be the PPE, that NASA had planned to use on the Gateway. >Adapted from PPE, built by Lanteris Space Systems, using power from the reactor.>Between the reactor and the PPE will be radiators for heat rejection from the reactor. >Solar arrays to provide additional power, particularly immediately after launch, before the reactor is activated.>Space nuclear effort that has made little progress for decades despite multiple efforts that have spent a combined $20 billion.>The lack of an operational space nuclear reactor is not a technology problem but rather an operational one>SR-1 Freedom is designed to break every one of four failure modes of the past>NASA as the prime. Leverage the expertise of the Department of Energy to design and assemble the reactor, then commercialize>The reactor design is intended to be extensible to future missions such as the Lunar Reactor 1
>>16970038based based based
>>16970038Why does this feel fake?
Since there are still people who doubt Falcon 9 was supposed to be fully reusable, here a video from 2011 from SpaceX with a reusable Falcon 9 second stage.https://web.archive.org/web/20111007073337/http://www.spacex.com/npc-luncheon-elon-musk.php
>>16970046They gave up a lot of projects like this thing, FH prop crossfeed, Red Dragon, after realizing its not really worth it.
>>16970047Red dragon was killed by politics, but FH prop crossfeed and reusable F9 S2 were killed by physics.
>>16970044cuz it looks like a render out of the 90s
>>16970049>physicsis prop crossfeed really that hard to do?
>>16970051There's a ton of unique and heavy plumbing spaghetti that you need for crossfeed, and any inter-vehicle plumbing leak is a prodigious fire hazard around the base of the rocket. The flow would be turbulent, the flow shutoff dynamics would be a nightmare, dead zones in rocket plumbing are a great way to find things going wrong in exciting ways, etc. It's not physically impossible, but it's complex in the ways that make it not worth doing.
>>16969570Imagine if Project Hail Mary was something like this, rather than aliens and shit
NASA should spend at least 20 billion dollars for SETI.
>>16970061Per month.
