What do you do when all the cool careers you have read about in 100 year old books don't exist anymore

>>16976232
>Don't be just this amount of lazy, you have to be even lazier! Don't think, don't create, don't do anything just consume and give orders to slopborgs! It's (((good for you)))!
I hate this new ZOG world so much.

The tech world has become a literal race to the bottom. We used to value productivity, but now we are competing with eachother to see who can be the most unthinking and lazy.

If the tech bros get what they want, and we fully transition from a meritocracy fueled by Protestant work ethic into a pluto-idiocracy, we are doomed as a species.

>>16976418
>>16976420
And why the FUCK do so many people think this is a good idea? Why do they want this so badly? Whatever the case, they have been thoroughly and utterly kiked, enslaved and collared.

Why is it so common to see someone with multiple publications on advanced number theory or some other talmudic mathematical jibber jabber working as front end engineers and other jobs for women and jeets? Shouldn't these people have had a little swag with it and be able to do something more demanding?

Any good advice on keeping the autism level down during the interview?

>>16976235
I'm telling the younger members of my family to look into being a mortician. It's not the type of thing that is easily automated, especially due to public health regulations. Most people can't stomach the idea of working with the dead and with Boomers nearing the end of their lifespan, it's a growing business.
It'll take two decades to clear out all the Boomers and Gen-X is likely to have shorter lifespans than Boomers, which means a good three decades of steady business.
Best of all, unlike "the trades", there's not going to be a gold rush into funeral homes like there was with software development.
>>16976575
Dead people don't care if you have autism. Just something to mull over.

Just got my first application rejection after getting my bachelors! Here's to many more, and now back to my blue collar job.

>>16976504
Because there are thousands of jobs for mediocre engineers and like two jobs requiring further talmudic mathematics which go to even bigger nerds with better connections.

Most people's day to day work even in relevant jobs is far simpler than even their undergrad classes. Never mind cutting edge research papers.

>>16976575
Immersion therapy is the only way. Spend time around normies to mimic their behaviors and dialogue. It feels cringe to act like an npc, but they will accept you more naturally.

>>16976604
id really like to find more niche things like this that are somewhere between trade and white collar. i wish i had *any* education whatsoever on what opportunities and careers are out there instead of just getting the college pitch and getting laughed at for considering nothing else, useless ass highschool teachers.
im 30 with a useless bachelors so im not sure whats even viable to pursue anymore

>>16976626
33 here with a pre-med B.S. with a focus on infectious disease. Getting a job is fucking impossible without a masters. Just gonna go back to uni.

>>16976626
Short term, long haul truck driving. It's not a career, it's something you suck it up and do for a few years, four at the most, and bank your earnings so you can springboard to something else. The Supreme Court just made a major ruling that puts the liability for bad drivers onto those who had been hiring them through third party brokers. With was liability washing, letting companies hire cheap third world labor, often here illegally, and put the risk on small LLCs that could be collapsed if a wreck happened. Many states are also enacting new laws and allocating funds for enforcement of them (which seems obvious but is something that's often skipped). The net effect is the flood of cheap labor into trucking is being reversed, which will lead to lots of opportunity for citizens and green card holders, not just because the third worlders are being excluded but also because over the past decade people who would have gone into trucking were locked out so they went elsewhere.
Seriously though, it's not a good long term career. It's hard on the body and can be mind numbing.

Any tips for making a resumé stand out?

>>16976639
i can't drive sadly

>>16976609
You would think if they were so smart they'd have figured that out before embarking on a 6 year jolly

Im gonna start putting black and gay on my job apps to improve my odds

>>16976653
Don't call it a resumé for one.

>>16976604
Don't this job involves dealing with grieving normies?

>>16976653
Add hobbies: furry conventions, autism awareness

>>16976672
This isn't 2015

>>16976678
It's a CV but who gives a fuck?

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>>16976681
Depending on the facility, there can be different roles for the front of the house and the back of the house. A small family run funeral home might have everyone able to do everything but larger ones can have workers who mostly do the behind the scenes prep work with the public facing people being those who are better suited for dealing with the public, especially those grieving. The back of house workers however will generally have to interact with the police, coroner, and hospital personnel when collecting remains.
It's also worth noting that the business is becoming female dominated. That's usually not the good thing the lonely think it would be.
>>16976654
That just means more business for morticians.

>>16976678
It's the standard term in the United States but since none of the anons have mentioned their location, you might have a point elsewhere.

>>16976701
>tfw no mortuary goth gf

>>16976706
Yep, here in the good ol Jewnited States a one page resumé is typically used for entry level positions, and for higher grade employment, a 1+ page CV is typical.

>>16976420
>If the tech bros get what they want, and we fully transition from a meritocracy fueled by Protestant work ethic into a pluto-idiocracy, we are doomed as a species.
This is just the descent into Cyberpunk dystopia now progressing at a speed even normies have noticed. The elite was fine with blue collar work like drivers being automated but once white collar work was threatened the knives came out instantly.

>>16976421
>And why the FUCK do so many people think this is a good idea?
Not so many, just owners and upper management. The OP image is wrong, in box 3 the hardest hit jobs are junior positions in general.

>>16976669
We are regularly visited upon by maths graduates who rather late discovered that the job market does not exist. Astronomy and astrophysics are similar disaster areas.

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Just got rejected from my 1st choice program. I already had a feeling I might not get in since their admissions decisions took so long, and all the professors I reached out to ghosted me. I already accepted an offer from a different school but it still stings. Maybe I'm just not smart enough to get into a "top" school

>>16976748
I got tons or rejectionbs from top places throughout the years. The really strange thing ism once you look back to what happened at those place, you realise you were better off the way you ended up. Fate perhaps.

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Where job

>>16976235
I love that every fucking field is just a slightly different pipeline to a coding or IT job that you hedge to endlessly compete for and pretend it's your hobby you'd do in your free time
great job humanity you killed it

How do I even come up with my own thesis or idea for a research proposal?

>>16977129
Ask your mentor

>>16977129
Why would you even bother doing a phd if you don't already have something you're interested in? I never understood this

>>16976794
unraring your pepe, don't mind me

>>16977054
>pipeline to a coding or IT job
You forgot that all jobs are a pipeline to management, and that the people who don't convert to management will most likely fail.

>>16977298
Agreed that most career tracks eventually lead to management. But what does failing mean in this context? I regularly see people with 10-20 years of experience who are not in management and probably never will be. They won't make the Forbes 30 under 30 and have or will hit the promotion ceiling, but so what?

It's impossible to get a PhD these days, the whole world applies to each university you apply to. It's insane.

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>>16976628
You are a baby at 33.
Go back to school and see if you can do something. My masters degree turned out to be completely useless, and it was a pretty good molecular biology degree with plenty of AI. The private sector also screwed me over last year. I'm back at college trying to get a PhD, I hope they don't consider me too old even though I'm only 32

Any chemists here? Do you like your life?

>>16977383
>But what does failing mean in this context?
It means end of promotions, no more siginificant pay rises, and sidelining into some dead end project.

>>16977733
Most careers stall sooner or later. Not everyone should be a manager.

>>16977151
I'm just curious how people come up with shit naturally. I'm only considering a PhD but can't quite think of something to investigate.

>>16977751
Most careers should not stall 30 years before you retire. Most should never be part of upper management but project leader and middle management is fine. I have had plenty of leaders who had no idea about the work we did. That never ended well.

>>16977782
Idk man I'm 32 and a project leader. No abilities or inclination to be a full-time manager so this is where the career stalls. Maybe could try switching to a bigger company where the title means more but it's too niche.

>>16977754
Usually you narrow down your research interests, then choose a prof aligned with those interests for grad school, and the prof gives you a project to work on which you eventually turn into your own thing.

>>16976748
>Maybe I'm just not smart enough to get into a "top" school
You do not know that. Academia is very incestous and those accepted might have gotten the right connections to get in regardless of ability. Perhaps they would have loved to take you in but they do not have the funding because the Trump admin nuked all science research money. Some top schools have a fucking bodycount of suicides (e.g. Harvard Organic chemistry) and so only take in foreign students who are willing to eat shit for 4+ years so maybe it's good you got rejected. Who fucking knows.

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I am in a chemistry doctoral program at the moment, but I am looking to switch careers. Should I join a lab in the meantime as a source of income while I prepare to transition? The principal investigator will expect me to be there for the entirety of the program's duration (4-5 years) but I know I will not be so I am morally conflicted. I am thinking of telling them that I might be leaving the program prematurely, but I have no idea how that will turn out.

>>16977151
>if you don't already have something you're interested in?
For most people, this is just another job; a way to put food on the table. Not all of us are lucky enough to work on something we are interested in.

>>16977847
I thought your research projects were determined by whatever your PI has funding for

Wondering how fast I can get a nursing associates degree done with my bachelors credits and if there's a nursing career that can fit someone introverted and bad at talking to people.
I'm also seeing people say nursing is going to be oversatured too in which case lol

>>16978185
>going to be
it already is. every single thot on the planet is going into nursing right now because they have no interests and know that nurses will always be needed

>>16978194
What do I even do then

>>16977151
usually you do one because you work at a lab since you couldn't find a real job and your boss needs you to enroll to metricsmaxx

at least that's how it works in europe

>>16978097
Exactly, same was when I was applying. Maybe in meme degrees from humanities you can choose but in STEM, especially applied, it's they propose you choose

Starting my first year of Pharma at my dream university, how cooked is my future?

>>16978197
Nothing lmao, you're pretty much fucked

Why does it feel fucking impossible to get an internship or some kind of co-op as a CS major?

>>16978185
>>16978197
Why not just do some kind of med tech program like MRI, CT, or sonography? You won't need to talk to people at work since you're just running the equipments, the program only takes like 2 years, and you start at $35-40+ an hour. It's also one of those vocations that I always see people with Science degrees go to, despite program requirements only needing a HS degree.

>>16977847
>>16978097
Ok, now how probable is it that I could get accepted into a university outside of the US when I'm probably not that competitive? If I'm a part-time senior, do I have time to make myself a much healthier candidate?

>>16977874
Whatever it is that you end up doing, as long as there is a possibility that you still want to or need to keep doing your doctoral program, keep the ball rolling as you would if you intended to complete the program. If that involved joining a lab, do it.

And whatever you do, do not breathe a word of your intentions to quit before you have the next step agreed to in writing.

>>16978673
>>16977874
To add, you may well burn the bridge if your PI gets their knickers in a twist about you quitting on potentially short notice.

However, if you're dropping out of your PhD, you probably can't use that reference anyway, and you probably won't be in academia anyway, which is the only thing you really need your PI's reference for. To be blunt, dropping our of the PhD means you don't want to advertise that period of your life. And it's OK, these things happen.

On the other hand, if you make noise about intending to quit, there is a very real chance you end getting pushed before you jump. And it might come at a time that is not the one you wanted.

Be polite and considerate of others, of course, but first of all look out for yourself.

Has anyone here worked at CERN in Geneva? thinking of submitting an application. I am a mechanical engineer working in r&d at a manufacturing company. They are going to axe our department which is good because I fucking hated all my years here. I want to get out of this place. There is also almost no job market for me. I know that all online applications go into the void. What can I do to increase my chances in Europe? I am in America btw

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>>16976653
Interesting prompts.

Why are people so eager to become my enemy for life?

>>16979115
you look very weak an rape-able on account of your filipino genetics

>>16976748
>Just got rejected from my 1st choice program.
These things happen, anon. The important thing is not to let it get you too down.

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>turned 27
>will graduate with MSc Civil Engineering next year
>no job exp
>not even part-time (nobody would hire me)
am I cooked? Drowning in debt and my youthly vigor gone.

>>16979684
Internships?

>>16979706
I have done a bachelor's final project on river contamination measurement from (industrial) waste/pollutants and that is my only real success. Rest just mandatory projects.
I have about 5 months to find some company to want to do my master's project with.

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>>16978673
>do not breathe a word of your intentions to quit before you have the next step agreed to in writing
That is my issue. I do not want to lie to a PI saying that I will be there for years when there is a chance I will be gone by the middle of next year. That is not just some white lie, but pretty much screwing him or her over.
>Be polite and considerate of others
That is why I want to somehow bring it up to a PI that I might be quitting my PhD prematurely. Sure I can say something along the line of "After much consideration, I have decided to pursue other career paths" when it is time to quit, but it still seems messed up to me somehow.
Any advice or guidance on that would be very helpful.
All the the other things you said I do agree with you though.

>>16979846
Any references you can use at least?

Is it worth applying to grad school if I have a low GPA?

>>16979975
Do you have any research or work xp?

>>16979972
You should be endeavouring to give your PI a life changing brain injury. Dreadful people.

>colleague uses LLMs for everything code-related now
>can't stop flexing how productive he is
>today is the 4th time this month I catch a stupid mistake in his presentation
>found the code that produced these results
>it's 100% vibeslop
This is so tiresome. This shit could cost us months of man-hours.

>>16979972
>That is not just some white lie, but pretty much screwing him or her over.
never forget that if your PI gets a better position elsewhere and he can't take you in, you'll be let go on the spot
your PI is not your friend

>>16979972
>I do not want to lie to a PI saying that I will be there for years when there is a chance I will be gone by the middle of next year
>That is why I want to somehow bring it up to a PI that I might be quitting my PhD prematurely

You want to say that you MIGHT quit. To repeat, as long as you MIGHT NOT quit, you act as if you WILL NOT quit. "Will you continue here" is a yes/no question, anything except "yes" is "no". It's not a lie of any sort until you know for sure you will not continue.

Once you start talking to your boss about quitting, you're on your way out and it may not be in your hands. You do not have the next step figured out. It is a big risk for no reason.

>That is not just some white lie, but pretty much screwing him or her over.
It is business, not personal. PhD is basically a job. People leave jobs all the time. Nobody tells their boss they're looking for other jobs.

Once you know you WILL quit, communicate that promptly. That is the extent of what can reasonably be expected from you.

And like >>16980178 says, you're worried about a minor inconveniece to someone who is in an infinitely better career position than you, who is in a position of direct power over you, and who would sell you out in a heartbeat if they gained something from it.

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>>16980178
>>16980203
Thank you for the sage advice.
I was taking moral non-issues way out of proportion like what you all said. I am just not going to say anything regarding career changes or quitting, after all, a career change is still not confirmed for me.

>>16979992
A little bit, mostly research but even that, I basically just worked in a research lab for a semester before dipping due to imposter syndrome and anxiety.

I did plan on getting more experience very soon though.

>watched another engineering undergrad fall for the grad school meme
cant save them all, i guess

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This is it, this is (You)r moment, email him with 3 of your sciencerinos projects rn

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>>16980481
>Numbers 24:9
>T10 MSc Aerospace Engineering
>Aspergers

thoughts on Fraunhofer? Is it hard to get in as a msc in physics? I have been sitting here writing a cover letter and I keep thinking that they are more engineering focused instead of science. My only alternative is doing a phd in my group but that only paid 2/3.

>>16978712
I dunno bro. What field are you in particular?

The list of my future victims is growing rapidly...

>>16980481
>come work in an open space filled with indians, smell of curry and feet towards your obsolescence for average salary while your demonic psychopath leadership diddles kids on Epstein's island

Is there anything more revolting than the so called advocate for stem

Everyone is constantly trying to fuck with me

>>16980582
I wish I could go back in time and do mean things to every STEM encouraging teacher and talker I saw through grade school

>>16980683
It could be worse. I have a math PhD.

>>16980494
I mean they are pretty solid, however it's a very decentralized network of a a lot of very different institutes and they are more focused on applied and industry research since they are forced by their statutes that at least 25% to 33% of their funding has to come from industry projects.

>>16980680
Demons are telling you to study computer science.
It has higher unemployment than studying English

>>16980683
Why?

>read about some 29 year old wanting to go back (tm) for a math degree
Why is it always math? Why are people so retarded?

which EE discipline is best for fuck-ups? No internship, one non-STEM part time job, nothing since last year graduation? Staring at linkedin is starting to drive me crazy

>>16980926
embedded systems and rf because those are the disciplines needed for thr drone world war ar

>>16980926
Electrical Power Engineering.
With the whole data center thing and upscaling of energy production, you can eat a job eating crayons and get paid 100k+.
You can always start and get some gov/public sector xp first with this

is there any hope at all for a smart technically and mathematically capable person who doesn't want to contribute to the AI takeover?

>>16980897
You never heard them going back for an MBA.
And they're always non-asian and therefore should give up on math.

>>16979972
>when there is a chance I will be gone by the middle of next year
and what if you're not? your boss will seek to replace you regardless if he thinks you might quit. retard

>>16981190
yeah just be one of the 99.9% of AI researchers who will never contribute anything meaningful to their field

>have Mechanical Engineering bachelor degree with GPA just below honors
>have Engineer-in-Training cert
>CSWA (SolidWorks design associate) cert
>but no internships or job experience with engineering
I get some interviews but I guess I just don't have examples of my engineering work or whatever. Do I need to put together a cool thing in SolidWorks and attach it to my application?

>>16982289
>engineering
>solidworks
CAD is to mechanical engineering what being able to physically operate a keyboard was to writing a novel before AI

>>16980926
get your EIT and any power job will take you
stop using linkedin, it's too jeeted.
use hiring cafe instead

AAAAAAAAAAAHN AAAHAHHHAAAAHHHH FUCK FUCK FUCK

These companies are taking the fucking piss.

I can safely say that getting a math degree ruined my fucking life

>>16982538
Mine too. These threads should have big warnings against math degrees

I have been availed to a lot of bad luck in my life.

>>16982584
I make my own luck

>>16982538
>>16982565
Just pivot to finance

>>16982621
Oh yeah I'll just get a job in one of the most competitive and sought after fields on earth, why didn't I think of that.

>>16982596
Make me some then Dr luck science

>>16982626
You DID network while working on your degree, right? Your uni 100% has a econ dept. Go hang out with them.

>>16982632
Thats not my problem, far from it im actually networked like a router pal. The problem is that God hates me or something

>>16982538
Are you asian

>>16982698
I'm a stone cold mighty whitey peckerwood

>>16982538
Thankfully, the FAQ now carries a huge warning against doing maths.

>Will I get a $300K salary afterwards?
>...and you have a lot of coding experience.
The FAQ needs an update, AI made coding a useless skill.

>>16982429
are you one of the true Gs sending out hundreds of applications with barely any reaction or are you one of the humblebragging faggots complaining about how hot recruiter MILFs in your area just won't stop begging to suck your massive FAGMAN-proven 9 incher?

>Semiconductor Industry
>Anons report in strong terms that work is boring, pay is bad, and is also a dead end career.
why dead end career?

Am I going to regret doing a Masters in Chemistry?

>>16984021
Depends. Do you like teaching High School?

>>16976232
Literally all indians on linkedIn would do this and spread misinformation just to get engagement

>>16983747
I keep getting rejected after final round interviews, probably applied to ~150 places, got 6 final rounds. It is causing me a kind of suffering that hasn't been felt since Vietnam by some of the people fighting in it.

They are calling it the crash out and rape your supervisor economy

>>16984021
No. A BA in chemistry is widely considered to be an incomplete education.

I took on a part-time industry job in my field (2 days a week) and it has completely tanked by gpa but I feel like the only currency that matters right now is experience so it's hopefully a worthy sacrifice.

What's going on with theoretical chemistry? At my university our TC institute has amazing funding and grants but they always struggle to basically sustain themselves, simply manpower-wise. Is this the odd discipline because people that end up in this field or an adjacent one will just study physics and people who study chemistry didn't go into this field to do stuff that is too theoretical?

If you are an ivy league educated american and you move to the uk in order to soak up and gatekeep opportunities and refuse to hire true blue brexit bruisers you ought to be fucking ashamed of yourself. Moving to the third world country and lording it over the natives. Sick fuck.

Should I tell the recruiter I tried to kill myself this weekend?

>>16984607
Why would you want to hire Brexiteers? Brexit destroyed research funding in the UK.

>>16984702
I would love to discuss this with you in the car park of a flat roof pub maybe after two to ten pints of Worthington's creamflow, but unfortunately I'm too busy plotting to kill a short gay Indian man from the west coast of America

I'm angry and upset at the state of my life and want to make it other people's problem

>>16984563
Ok. Thanks for sharing your experience. You are a valuable member of our community.

>>16984849
Why do you have to be so cruel?

>>16984412
>interviews
fakecel poser

>>16984692
>yes of course I will invest time and money and opportunity cost taking on that guy who might kill himself 3 weeks in
just as with looking for another job, you do NOT inform your employer or prospective employers about your intention to kill yourself until you've secured a written offer or death

suicidal candidates are a very literal flight risk

>>16984884
I have accepted that I won't be getting the job I just want to irritate this Stacy.

>>16984880
I hope you can forgive me.

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>>16984918
>I just want to irritate this Stacy.
carry on, then.

what's your pipeline for generating postdoc application leads? it takes like 40 minutes per university to locate the right guy to spam my resume at, this is unsustainable if I want to hit ~100 leads per week

>>16984957
>what's your pipeline for generating postdoc application leads?

Nepotism and friends of friends

>>16985120
my network is the opposite of useful. I can't apply at any place I know people at because they also know my boss.

>>16984566
>amazing funding and grants but they always struggle to basically sustain themselves, simply manpower-wise
Because it's a toxic work environment. I know because I have a similar story with a lab I joined. They had always funding and space but somehow also empty.

>>16983885
Our nation designs chips but not produce them. The recent plant in Arizona is not even the most up-to-date design.

>>16983885
I'm the anon whose whining that was probably based on. It's not a universal truth but it is where I found myself.

In my shithole country the semiconductor companies are mostly various stages of university spinoffs. These are too small for career progression because there's about two levels of employment below chief executives. As an aside, they also pay postdoc salaries.

The work tends to be very specialized. So it's hard to hop between companies, certainly at a senior technical level. Finding another company where my experience gives direct leverage generally requires moving countries or even continents. So technical career progression stalls early on if you want to stay in this country.

Another path to career progression is swapping to more managerial roles. This is again difficult because there's not layers of middle management in the companies (which in many ways is great). They also tend to lack proper management practices anyway.

Summary: pigeonholing and lack of relevant companies, especially those at large scale. Former is probably a general concern, latter very much depends on your local industry. Kind of my own bad though, what kind of idiot trains to be an astronaut in a country with no space program

>>16985125
Yeah so if your PI 1) will not write you a reference letter sucking you off 2) is not respected in the community, your academic career is pretty fucked to begin with.

>>16985125
Similar, my pi split for industry and now there is a whole company I can't work at without risking catching an extremely murder case

>>16985180
Extremely sexual murder case, excuse me

Seeing that fat faggot beff jezos eat shit has been incredibly cathartic. Anti-Woke = anti-white you Canadian nigger

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>>16985172
>there's not layers of middle management in the companies
>They also tend to lack proper management practices anyway.

>>16985201
It's fantastic when you can just get on with your job as you see fit and barge into the CTO's office once every two months to get approval for another 50k worth of gizmos.

It stops being fantastic when people are not self driven or competent enough, nobody is at the wheel or taking responsibility, nothing gets done and there are no procedures to handle it.

>>16985223
>people are not self driven
Imagine being self-driven to provide value for psychopaths that pay you peanuts in comparison and would replace you with AI on the first occasion though

>>16985175
>your PI
bit late for that, here in the eastern european wastelands we start running our own projects or at least our organisation side of a larger project before even graduating

I've funded my own work to the tune of 100k€ over the last year (only graduated recently), have already landed 300k in funding for the next 3 years and might get almost 500k more, the problem is that this shithole country won't exist by the time these start paying out next year. for context this is enough money for 2-4 full time people for my location and field depending on their seniority and how cheap you're being.
>won't write a recommendation letter
why would he? he doesn't want his indentured servitors to leave and work for competitors in the EU grant money siphoning business
>respected by the community
I am sure if he wanted to he could get his PhD grads jobs abroad easily but it's the opposite of what he wants. He's the head of our institute and we're basically his sales team.

>>16985234
The only reason I give a shit is that these flunkies not doing their job stops me from building my gizmos.

Is it normal, if not common, to doubt your initial chosen field?

Why can't unemployed CS grads just start their own companies? Overhead costs are so minimal because all they need is a laptop

>>16979975
>>16980221
Anyone?

>>16985348
Sounds easy. Let us know how it goes. There simply couldn't be more to running a business with no experience than writing some pretty code

>>16985348
>open source solved most of the problems
>AI allows companies to develop specific code without contracting expensive SWEs
it is unironically over for most CSfags

>>16985348
Running a business has more to do with getting pussy than reversing linked lists

I have female autism as a man and I'm being persecuted by society

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Learn to code

>there's literally no job i can reskill into
Will write proofs for food

>>16985721
How about teaching?

everyday i ask myself: what did i do to anger god?

Why is everyone in these threads so mentally ill?

>>16985547
I did this ages ago, before a short stint as a proper codemonkey and later a researcher. It's a trades job.

>>16985782
Have you not tried to get a job yet or something? It's enough to drive anyone mad.

>>16985806
Most normies are sane

>>16985838
Most jormies aren't twisted up jokerfied stemcels...

>>16977422
Chem B.Sc from 2022
Academia iscan over politicized ratrace.
Wanted to go th CNC technology. My father got me into industrial automation.
Now programming frequency drives and robots. No toxic chemicals, no petty girlbosses.
Life is good. Hunting for a gf->wife, still a 4chan autist, but getting better.

>>16980897
Met a 40+ CivE guy, who recognised he does not uses his brain. He needs new things to learn, with rigor and framework.
Enrolled in maths.
HighIQ friend dumped chem, became budhist, went to math.
Math is fun for the inclined autist.

>>16981403
I've met a girl who went back for an MBA after Optometrist Diploma.

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Studying Spatial Planning and Design right now. Quantitatively this has statistics and GIS and some programming. Still I feel as though I will be inferior to all engineers on any future jobs.
Should I take the plunge and study Civil Engineering instead? I am fond of infrastructure, building(s) and planning.

>>16985892
Let's say a niqqa does not like programming and has little aptitude for it. Can he still pursue chem?

I have received such a piss poor education it's actually laughable

The only time I have ever experienced a good economy during my life was in 2021, what the fuck

>>16985919
If a person of color can not read between the lines:
There are no jobs in Chemistry with a B.Sc.
I wanted to be an uncertified mechanical enginner (CNC technology, machining industry)
My father sent me to uncertified electric technican/Practical EE.
I use nothing of my Higher Education.
Chemistry carrers are PhD and pidgeon holing. And hope for the best.

For learning chemistry for fun?
You can, it gives you insight into how the world works, and easier than Phys.
Good luck finding a job!

As a young man I was at war with myself. As a grown man, the world. My weapons of choice? Do I even need to say it?

>>16985139
>Our nation design chips
You mean the supreme state (Israel).
>Apple
>Nvdia
>AMD
>Qualcomm
>Sony
All of their VLSI chip design is in Israel, built on Technion and the post soviet braindrain.

>>16986232
There are plenty of chip design companies outside Israel. Just look for job postings with the keywords Verilog, VHDL etc.

buh buh buh buh i was a gates cambridge scholar buh buh man shove it up your ass

if you went to an ivy league college or oxbridge i truly sincerely hope something horrible happens to you

>>16986320
There is a regular in these threads who works in some kind of optical engineering. He has Oxford and Harvard on his resume.

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>>16986374

>>16986374
I have calmed down and am ready to forgive him with love in my heart.

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All abominations will be sent to hell within 1 hour.

Legitimate, good humans, will be briefed and doctored to full mental health.

Its all a big game to some of these people. Posh wankers going from fancy position to fancy position. "Founding a company at university is easy because you don't have to pay your bills" man fuck you, if you had to live my life growing up you would have killed yourself.

>>16986398
And I farted.

>>16986399
He probably did and all

>>16986399
Shut up Garon, you know you can't fart.

I know too much about philosophy, study of fundamental nature(pre mind intrinsic to core of life).

>>16986318 >>16986320
If you stay in the UK you need a degree from Oxbridge or it is poverty time. After all, they pay a postdoc as much as a burger flipper. I got my degree from a university that was not even in the Russell group but since I left the country as soon as I could I had a comfy and well paid career.

>>16986461
Working on it

If you want the quality of these threads to improve pray that I get a job and that most of the people I know lose theirs

>>16986398
>Founding a company at university is easy
yes, because every single technology company is basically started by either having a friend or family member do you a favor, or scamming someone into giving you money for what are necessarily empty promises at that stage

if you come from success you can convince people to give you money very easily, because they know the next sucker will also give you money easily so their investment will pay out one way or another

>>16986490
What angle do you take? Getting into Oxbridge or destroying the UK from inside? The latter is already in full flow:
>Why young academics are leaving academia
https://archive.is/1rcbd
>For the past decade, neuroscience doctoral graduate Fanbo Kong has taken pride in his work researching Alzheimer’s disease. But when funding at his King’s College London laboratory dried up and he was rejected for other research positions, he began considering something he had previously written off: a career in the private sector.
OK, 10 years as a postdoc and then just kicked out.
>With the number of PhD graduates outpacing university positions, a growing share of academics are looking to work outside the institutions that trained them. The flight represents a profound change to academic careers, where once-stable, high-status roles now look uncertain and pay and opportunities in a few competing sectors have pulled ahead.
Postdoc positions were hardly stable and cetainly not high-status.
>One reason for the squeeze is that a rise in the number of PhDs being awarded has not been matched by an increase in university staff positions, increasing competition for postgraduate research jobs. Total PhD awards rose from 14,150 in 2000 to 24,025 in 2022. A snapshot search on jobs.ac.uk, the UK academic jobs board, showed about 1,100 vacancies in April; Hesa figures indicate academic headcount at UK higher education providers fell 1 per cent in 2024 compared with the previous year, to 244,755.
It was hard. Now it is much harder.
The difficulty securing academic employment often comes as a “great shock to PhDs on whom the UK has spent the most money educating”, says Charlie Ball at UK higher education analyst Jisc. “The career path has not been sustainable for a long time.” Deteriorating university finances, low pay and soaring living costs have made things even worse.

>>16986574
>yes, because every single technology company is basically started by either having a friend or family member do you a favor, or scamming someone into giving you money for what are necessarily empty promises at that stage
First funding comes from the 3 Fs: fools, frinds, and family.

>>16986600
UK academia is more competitive than ever and simultaneously UK academic jobs are shittier than ever. I wonder how dire it has to get before some sort of limit is reached.

>At the same time, demand for high-level researchers is growing in private companies from pharma to finance, where salaries far outstrip even those offered by the best academic jobs. Hesa data shows the median salary for all PhDs 15 months after graduating is £42,000. Entry-level roles in quantitative research that require a PhD offer salaries above £125,000 plus bonuses on recruitment sites, with the most competitive tech salaries much higher.

Quant roles are a massive outlier even more so than becoming a professor. Yet they always get a disproportionate amount of space in these discussions. Yeah, Jane Street pays well. No, it's not relevant because there's 500 Asian IMO gold medalists with a PhD in string theory applying for every position. Somehow half of this science "industry" conversation is about algorithmic flea-skinning or satanistic oligarch money laundering. Presumably because there is no industry to speak of in the UK besides these iconic London activities.

Most science PhDs get their £50k in the private sector which after taxes might just pay rent. Certainly the ones in jobs that could conceivably produce a tangible product rather than siphoning their sustenance from numbers moving in a spreadsheet. So it's not like the drive to industry is being driven by the immense riches therein, just the mathematical impossibility of fitting 24k new grads into 1k new academic roles. Or just preferring moderate poverty over outight destitution.

>>16986600
Leaving the UK, I have full confidence that rahtid Babylon country can destroy itself

Stock up on weapons and survival items because the billionaires will wipe us all out for "environmental" reasons sooner than later.

The UK AISI is genuinely one of the most evil organisations on earth. A hive of ivy leaguers and effective altruists with the ear of senior civil servants and politicians. All burnishing their resumes with my taxes.

>>16986699
Can I thank them when they do me

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Don't get a math degree. Don't do a masters in math.

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>>16987280
Don't do a phd in math

>>16987301
Postdoc?

>>16976232
anons, is CS a good major if I hate the computer part, but like the science part of it? i.e: Algorithms, AI, data, numerical analysis and higher math, optimization, fourier, etc.
I'm dropping out of Software Engineering because all we do is code monkey bullshit, all the interesting stuff is abstracted or barely touched upon. People say CS is where the cool science stuff is, but I see people study CS only to still end up as Linux autists and JS code monkeys. The most wonder and interest I've had in my classes was in calculus, ODE's and Matlab. Programming classes are boring as hell.
Can CS actually help me pursue that path, or should I just go into a 100% math major or cool engineering like electrical/nuclear?

>>16987329
Most people can't even get postdocs

>>16987347
You are in for one hell of a rude awakening

>>16987374
Don't be rude to the undergraduates.

How do I improve my mental health?

>>16987347
>CS a good major if I hate the computer part, but like the science part of it? i.e: Algorithms, AI, data, numerical analysis and higher math, optimization, fourier, etc.
>I'm dropping out of Software Engineering
what's the actual fucking difference? plus or minus a couple classes. anything you do before your PhD thesis is largely just a conscientiousness filter, you can go pick up any other field after undergrad so long as you can do a bit of math.

>>16981185
>>16982357
Thanks anons, does this include the MEP firms doing construction, or just the pure power consulting/utilities?

>>16980926
>Staring at linkedin is starting to drive me crazy
you're not supposed to stare. you're supposed to generate VOLUME and ATTACK SURFACE by sending out THOUSANDS of applications

set up a toolchain for generating permutations of resumes and cover letters quickly. after a few hundred applications you will have a good idea of what buzzwords and phrases show up again and again. don't just use the same one every time, record results A/B test aggressively. do things that produce results. a rejection email is better than no reply. a recruiter viewing your profile is better than a rejection email. an interview is better than that. so on and so forth

don't just use linkedin jobs. have AI agents constantly trawling job boards, company websites, people's public linkedin profiles and collecting leads. have AI agents trawl for people who are managing your intended job title and cold email them.

if you are not sending 20+ applications per day and generating 20+ new leads per day you are falling behind. if you are spending less than your entire disposable income on AI compute and data sourcing services you are falling behind. it's an arms race. you either change with the times or you get steamrolled. the conversion rate on any contact event is lower than it has ever been and it will only go lower. you gotta increase your funnel throughput faster than the conversion rate falls to hit positive EV on your campaign

>>16986629
>Presumably because there is no industry to speak of in the UK besides these iconic London activities.
That is exactly correct. Remove London, and the rest of the British economy is really, really bad.
>Most science PhDs get their £50k in the private sector which after taxes might just pay rent.
The mystery is why people remain and chose poverty.
>Certainly the ones in jobs that could conceivably produce a tangible product rather than siphoning their sustenance from numbers moving in a spreadsheet.
That train left the station back when Thatcher was the boss. The captains of industry were not so much into industry as they were in finance.
>So it's not like the drive to industry is being driven by the immense riches therein, just the mathematical impossibility of fitting 24k new grads into 1k new academic roles.
Even the academic route is no longer attractive. FT has a lot of coverage of the slow implosion of the British universities. A huge number of academics are about to lose their jobs, mostly thanks to spreadsheet abusers.
>Or just preferring moderate poverty over outight destitution.
Or go overseas. For all the faults, British universities are good, at least I am happy with what I got and my studies have served me well since I graduated.

>>16987347
>but I see people study CS only to still end up as Linux autists and JS code monkeys
That is egggggzzzactkly correct. You are about to take a long way to your original destination, just with a lot more student debt.

>Can CS actually help me pursue that path,
If by "path" you mean the path to doom.
>or should I just go into a 100% math major
No, please no. There are many reasons why the FAQ has dire warnings against maths degrees.
>or cool engineering like electrical/nuclear?

I think I understand your angle: you want to study the pure science in which case CS and maths are relevant. And then you graduate into what used to be a coding slave ship but now will be decimated further thanks to AI. Get a degree with some hope instead, and then cultivate science as a gentleman scientist hobby.

>>16987378
Fuck off

>>16986218
I'm confused. Did you go back to school for vocational training in industrial automation? How long did that take? Are you basically working as an engineer now without the PE credentials?

does /sci/ have any advice for a non-traditional age 30 student who wants to enter academia and earn their masters in physics?

>>16987740
>enter academia
>and earn their masters
why would you get a master's after doing your phd?

>>16987740
Don't

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>>16987514
if you do not have an agentic orchestration harness finetuned for crawling the web to dig up potential PIs' personal information you are NOT going to make it

>>16987740
Get a EE degree

>>16987886
do i really need to do a phd thesis? could i pivot into industry with a masters? i could at least teach with a masters, right? why should i do a phd?

>>16988052
Teaching university is a highly competitive job.

>>16988052
>do i really need to do a phd thesis
you asked about entering academia. the first step toward entering academia is getting your phd. it's the entry level vocational cert you need to even meet the minimum formal requirements.

and no before you ask getting a phd is absolutely not fucking worth it. you'll probably get one anyways and then you'll come back here to this thread in 10 years and tell the next generation of retards not to do it like I am doing right now.

Why is the internet solution to literally every career problem some variation of
>just become an electrical engineer bro
>just become a data scientist bro
It's like the learn to code meme got replaced by an even more extreme version of itself. Eventually it will be
>just be a CEO of a successful company bro

>>16988189
EE at a defense contractor is going to be a safe bet

>>16988189
>data scientist
not a real job and never has been. it can mean anything from an intern wrangling to some spreadsheets to an MIT emeritus professor raking in 7 figures leading some FAGMAN's marketing division
>electrical engineer
how is that "extreme"? it's just a normal profession. the codemonkey job glut where you could get "engineering" jobs without a 4-5 year degree was the exception rather than the rule. now we're back to where if you want a comfortable lifestyle (a roof over your head, 3 meals a day and internet access) you have to put in a bit of effort and get an engineering degree.

>civil engineering grad
> said fuck it to civil engineering and spent a few years in construction management which were enough to make me reconsider the entire career path
>want to transition to something like software or ML
What are my options? Is it worth it doing self-study or should I go back into university?

>>16988236
>>want to transition to something like software or ML
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO DO THAT NOW

>>16988253
What makes sense then? There are jobs out there looking for civil engineers and construction professional to train AI models to solve problems in their own industries so its not like I'm safe as it is either

Doing ML/AI research as a masters student at a top uni in Canada. What am I in for?

>>16988292
Expect to smell a lot of curry and unwashed balls over the next few years

>>16988311
It's canada, we've already been smeeling that for the last few years

>>16988217
Are most people supposed to be able to be electrical engineers or machine learning engineers with enough effort or something?

>>16988358
yes? same as with coding. the average EE could never get hired at a FAGMAN as a codemonkey so if that was your previous bar for success why are you suddenly mad now?

>>16976748
That sucks, but remember university is just a ramp to get ready for the next thing™ whatever that may be (academia, industry etc). Use the time you have now to make yourself as interesting as possible to the people who will be hiring you in a few years and you'll be fine.

>>16988217
>not a real job and never has been
kek

>>16988311
>Doing ML/AI research as a masters student
he is the unwashed curry balls smell

I need to put the title "Member of technical staff" on my resume soon or something bad is going to happen

>>16976605
Why are you complainig if you have a job and real skills? There are a lot of unemployed math PhDs with zero real life skills.

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Average chemistry phd

I hate ML and AI.

>>16988647
>>16988311
I'm in Quebec, the indians don't come here because of the french.

>>16988812
Why is that?

>>16988831
>indians don't come here because of the french.
doesn't stop them in france.

>>16988846
I guess why go to Quebec when you can go right beside it and speak english. There are larger indian communities in Ontario for example.

>>16988832
Because it makes me leak

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>>16988873
>why go to Quebec when you can go right beside it and speak english

I'm guessing LLMs are getting better because they used to suggest a salary range of like 100-120k and job titles of advanced science god whereas now they tell me I'm suited to work as a junior lab slave for 50k which is pretty close to the reality of my current employment. Except even the junior lab slave positions I'm unqualified for.

>>16988939
well at least your grandma now calls you "dr anon" at family events

>>16988943
the phd was recoverable, if inadvisable

the subsequent postdoc was pushing it but at least made for a natural pivot

pivoting to the first shitty industry job that hired me was the final nail

and grandma's dead

>>16988803
It's retarded that we do this to our best and brightest. Fuck, that's awful. Lucky I still have a job in STEM. Some of my friends have been interviewing and it's just rough, and that's for developer positions.

>>16988949
>best and brightest
the best and brightest are raking in 7 figures at top industry jobs. the fuckwits doing phds at noname schools (i.e. not MIT or Berkely (or equivalent for your field)) are simply losers who couldn't actually find a job

>>16988955
I did my PhD at a top 5 global uni.

t. >>16988939

>>16988958
stop complaining and get a real job then you fakecel poser

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>>16976232
> Be unemployed 55 year old programmer.
> Get bug up my butt about heap sort v.s. quick sort.
> Write it in C, count swaps. Wow, heap sort sucks.
Maybe I'll fap later

>>16988983

Just roll into the interview drunk, and explain that you can guarantee all 3 of the CAP theorem by destroying any universe the system fails, thus ensuring CAP and infinite nines uptime.

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>>16988985
Thank you, and I'd like to tell them about holes in cows.

>>16988955
So is it your contention that if you're not suited for a 7 figure job then you don't deserve to work?

Rich people are probably so happy they managed to block off social mobility again. Can you imagine how much they were seething when every STEM kid from a 2 bit school or even never attending a school was walking into 6 figure jobs. Finally they've fixed this issue.

>>16989015
That's what all this talk about permanent underclass is about. The victory lap. "Thank god that Hawaiian Muslim Obama legalised white slavery in 2008" they think

>>16988803
Wow thats literally me

I am finishing up my undergrad in Chemistry but I focused heavily on energy materials and battery science. At my university there is a Master's in battery and energy engineering that is open to Chem undergrads. It's not to late to pivot. Should I do it?

Opinions on computational genomics?

Sorry I didn't go to oxford and don't have "polish" I'll kill myself for the crime of having attended a bog standard comprehensive...

This is seriously fucked everyone in my lab group are enjoying fantastic internships and jobs and I'm repeatedly eating shit over and over again. What the fuck did I do wrong?

I get feedback from places thats completely contradictory it's fucking bizarre. And these bastards are paying well below the market. I was willing to upend my whole life in a serious way to work for them and it's still not enough! Do I have to start sucking cock and eating load what the fuck do they want from me

You have to be some kind of a truly depraved fuck to get an ivy league education and then make it your life's work to reify the British class system

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Which way, delusional STEMcel?

>>16976232
whats going on with more job adverts asking if my BSc is IMechE accredited?
Isn't that a given for a engineer qualification otherwise its just a glorified paperweight?

>unemployed for 2 years by choice
>job was 50% travel and I was burned out
>they also paid me a lot so my tolerance for bullshit went down the more my bank account went up
>just got a job with one of the biggest companies in the US, $180k, starting in two weeks
The downside is the commute is atrocious, but no travel. Going back to the refinery life, bros...shoot the shit with the operators, fix poorly tuned loops because retards cannot tune loops worth a shit.
feels good.

>>16990035
Why did you post this?

>>16986218
>I wanted to be an uncertified mechanical enginner (CNC technology, machining industry)
>My father sent me to uncertified electric technican/Practical EE.
Would this path be vocational school? How much of your work is engineering versus software?

>>16989072
chemistry is going the way of ee in the sense that you need to decide now how much you will enjoy working in shenzhen

As a CS grad with no job prospects, how feasible is pivoting to med school? I graduated with a 3.0 gpa, but spent most of my time playing video games and jerking off, so I think it's more a matter of motivation. Can I fluff that with undergrad prereqs or a good MCAT? Do I need to actually work in healthcare to have a chance at being accepted?

>>16990225
So what careers are safe?

>>16990252
DEI consultant

>>16990252
there is no such thing as a safe stem career, you have to be able to work, react and pivot according your conditions. things only appear safe looking backward

>>16990242
Why don't you ask the other thread?

>>16990225
I did an exchange at PKU so I think I will be fine in this regard, thanks.

I am a below average student and depend on a good thesis grade to graduate so I sent out a bunch of mails and no one wants to supervise me except, maybe ironically, a star research group with tons of grants at an adjacent institute. The PI is a local but the group is huge and thr overwhelming majority of staff/PhDs/post-docs/etc. are foreigners. If I was confident in my abilities I would have immediately jumped on the opportunity because the institute is extremely reputable internationally and well-equipped but I feel like I am about to join a mammoth group where I am going to be left to fend for myself, potentially jeopardizing my graduation, a gamble. What do?

>>16989862
both are unattainable pipe dreams.

>>16990289
graduate with what? sounds like you're still in undergrad. nobody gives a fuck about undergrads. they just need a trainable monkey

>>16990289
What options do you have? If you are an undergraduate, then they will automatically assume you are retarded.

>>16990252
Defense maybe? ZOG is always hiring.

>>16989642
Tried being neurotypical?

>>16990611
I was forced to undergo years of CBT (both cognitive behavioural therapy and cock and ball torture) and if anything it stole my beautiful autistic spark from me. My trans and autistic colleagues who weren't RAPED by society like I was do not bear these psychic wounds

Yeah just send your rejection emails out on a Friday evening or Saturday morning that's considerate you fucking faggots

>>16977874
Cook meth, it's the only option that won't be replaced by AI.

>>16988934
Poor argument, they risk their lives in small boats to get away from the French.

>>16986225
>>16987663
No schools. No credentials.
I was working with my father as freelance field technician PractEE for 2 years.
He had credentials to sign the papers, i dont.
When we were closing the business one of our suppliers gave me an offer, since i have 7 years of practical experience.

I was considering joining the USAF or Navy as a foreigner LabMonkey.

If i wanna get back to freelance (NO i dont), i need credentials to sign the papers.

>>16990065
See above >>16990705
Current office job:
3 hours tech suport for clients.
3 hours coding.
3 hours brainstorming.
Field tech 1-2 per month.

>>16988983
>unemployed 55 year old programmer
I lost my programming job when I was about 40. It was impossible then to get a new programming job at my age; experience counted for nothing. So you have now two alternatives:
- move to a completely different field, or
- employ yourself in a startup.

>>16990986
So what did you do in the end?

Every day I become more aware of the limitations that my class background and upbringing have placed on me.

>>16991304
Dalit?

>>16991306
Are you trying to be fucking funny?

>>16991314
Yes.

>>16991322
hee hee hee

>>16991085
First I founced a startup with two others and we all crashed out, thankfully without losing too much money. Two of us ended up in consultancies.
All in all it was a rough journey but I have lot os stories to tell from that. Utter lack of disposable income meant also that I never got married.

>>16991337
That's the least you deserve for "founcing" a start up you cur

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Any good mental health advice?

>>16991456
Living with long term issues is assballs and has ruined my career and life.

When it was particularly bad I started MMA which when combined with working full time kept me distracted enough to just about cope. Idle hands and all that. Also got fit which helps the mood a bit.

It didn't really solve shit long term but in the long term we're all dead. Really it's about somehow deluding yourself through the worst times.

My experience with "Get help" is that this "help" is a mirage. It looks like it's there until you try to get it. Multiple SSRIs didn't do anything for me, good or bad. In-person help is not available without paying $200 per hour, and even then I found it profoundly useless. I'm not convined therapists cure anyone.

Mental health care is essentially about checking neurotic teenage girls into psych wards and maybe chemically lobotomizing hardcore schizophrenics. Nobody's going to save you. I'm not saying that to be cruel. I'm saying it because being at my lowest, reaching out for help and finding it does not exist was pretty close to being the final nail for me.

>>16991503
Basically this. You've just got to sort of thug it out

>>16991503
Reality does kind of suck if your brain chemistry isn't naturally happy. I'm in the same boat. Life sucks but then so does the alternative.