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>>17008688
>Germany. I have thought about defense but the requirements are high nowadays and they don't have any active positions. Everyone seems to want physicists for optics or lasers only but not for sensors...
Since you are in Germany you could also apply to defence labs in other NATO countries. German degrees have a good reputation.

How inadvisable/impossible is it to pivot into quantum from a non-quantum background which is still in physics? I've done a good amount of optics and spectroscopy but in the semiconductor field.

Where does it say a man with female style autism isn't entitled to a way of sustaining himself and some dignity. Am I not a man and a brother?

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How much does science work in actual practice resemble what we're learning in school?
>>17009586
Obviously not if you think you're a girl.

>>17009626
Do you struggle with reading comprehension or something playboy?

>>17009712
Do you have a pathological need to not make straightforward statements?

>>17009626
>How much does science work in actual practice resemble what we're learning in school?
What level of underageb& am I talking to? In any case, not much, the subject matter is the same and that's about it. You're taught flowchart science, where there is an answer sheet at the end and well-defined rails to get you there which everyone around you follows. You're presented with an uninterrupted, completely logical narrative where the important connections are pointed out to you.

The reality of research is considerably more messy. Bits are missing, it is not obvious what the important parts are and how they connect together, there isn't a clear wrong/right answer at the end, there is no universal consensus or procedure.

It doesn't mean the schoolwork is useless. You have to be taught the basics, it is difficult and confusing enough as is, and a good teacher will make what took some Greek generational talent 50 years to figure out seem obvious to a 15 year old with ADHD.

Moreover, "doing science" is not really a job. "Real researchers" with any job security don't spend all day writing notes in their white coats. Professors never descend into their laboratories except for photoshoots and barely read the papers they are corresponding authors on. Any sort of career researcher will sooner or later have their job description be manager and promoter.

The jobs doing this flowchart science are the ones that really suck, usually being an operator in industry cycling through a procedure developed in 1982 for 10 000 times with minute parameter differences to optimize a process. You get to do research with more freedom as a PhD and postdoc, usually, but those are transition states.

What are some jobs?

>>17009734
Yes I have female style autism and it's held me back immensely

>>17009793
>What are some jobs?
No jobs, nowhere

I'll be studying pharmacology at the best university in my country is there any advice anons could give me?

>>17010165
Don't

>>17010170
Any particular reason why?

What are some AI-proof fields of EE that aren't power engineering? I'm currently in my second year of a bachelor's program and feel completely lost. Everywhere I look, I see headlines like "RFIC chips made by AI outperform human design." I wanted to go into RF or IC, but I don't want to spend years studying a field only to end up jobless like a lot of CS grads did.

>>17009827
>Yes I have female style autism
I had no idea there was such a thing and I have at least two female colleagues who are obviously on the spectrum. One even admitted it recently. The other has a preference for tight fitting spandex.
> and it's held me back immensely
How?

>>17010165
Do not just study and/or work, build a network of senior professors and attend career fairs.

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>phd corrections approved
>got an interview with a company I did an internship with before my phd
everything's coming up milhouse, I thought I was clueless but turns out I do have this life shit figured out

Is patent law the only STEM related profession that hasnt been infiltrated by the jeet menace?

>>17010460
Biology and chemistry are very safe. Actually, it's only programming and engineering that have been infected.

>>17010326
Female style autism isn't a clinical diagnosis. It's more about the difference in how females with autism are treated relative to how males are treated. One of the most notable is that females with autism have offspring at a rate similar to that of females without autism but for males, the difference between autistic and non-autistic reproduction is huge. Given current cultural trends, it wouldn't surprise me if autistic women end up with a higher reproductive rate than non-autistic women.

>>17010326
It has made me uncanny.

My neighbour is downstairs in the sun drinking a beer and gatekeeping jobs from me.

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>>17009257
What if I learn STEM...
At Home!
What sort of career path will I receive?

>>17010614
Companies want degrees as trusted proof that you know your field. You could do a degree at home though, distance learning and such.

>>17010755
The degree doesn't guarantee me a job

>>17010764
But no degree absolutely guarantees no job

Is comp chem a good field rn? i have a good grasp of GROMACS for biological simulations and want to learn LAMMPS for materials but dont know if im wasting my time.

Unemployedlets, those not in grad school, and those without graduate degrees should be banned from scg

>>17009281
In countries where quantum research has been getting money for a while (US, UK, Canada, Germany) it's probably very hard to break in. EuroHPC is doing quantum, but will make you have to compete with every other EU applicant, so it's not very encouraging. I know of some french and belgians with semiconductor backgrounds working with photonics on some quantum related grant, so maybe there is a niche you can fit into, but I don't know that field well enough to say.

>>17010247
Chip design will still be a safe choice, just because an AI can find a better topology doesn't mean the circuit will be tape-out ready. It won't replace the entire SoC process, verification, etc so you'll probably be fine as long as there's no singularity (in which case we'd all be unemployed anyway)

>>17010247
Let me give you some actual knowledge instead of the braindead redditor failed normalfag slop that constantly gets posted here.
After you graduate, you are going to spam apply at anything you can find. You're just going to stalk the job boards and shotgun applications at any and all "entry level EE" jobs you find posted online.
Eventually you might get a few interviews, you will sit around in a state of anxiety praying one of them hires you. If you are lucky that will happen, and whoever selects you, that is what will determine what "field" you go into.

Is there any point to getting a maths associates at community college? I finished calculus II but it was a struggle and I slept 5 hours a night for 6 years and lost my ability to visualize as well, my IQ definitely decreased, even after 9 months as a NEET there's some permanent damage, and I'm not sure I can handle Differential Eqns. At this point I feel like I should just go back to the wage cage for 25/hr. I don't think I'll have enough money to finish a bachelors and I'm too old to get financial aid.

>retards still think there are fields safe from AI

On a realistic scale, how bad/good are one's chances of getting a physics PhD in europe while having 2 publications in decent journals during masters as an american? I'm looking for biophysics (no wet lab) and I can write really good pseudocode for the models but rely on AI for syntax and polishing, idk if thats a hard pass for most PIs.

>>17010614
There are actually good, fully online STEM programs nowadays. However, it is a lot harder to study online so it is not for everyone.

>bög
You know that means gay in Swedish right?

>>17010407
>interview with a company I did an internship
don't want to rain on your parade but if your internship went well they'd have sent an offer directly without a humiliation ritual

>>17010965
Maybe that's how things work in America, but not here. Also my internship was 6 years ago.

please please can i just have a fucking job im sorry im sorry im sorry i got a stem education and was born fucked up and had bad experiences in life and am lonely and sad all the time can i please just have a fucking job

>>17011013
Uh no, actually, that is how it works in your country too. You live on planet America, you’re posting in American on an American site on American tech. Show some respect and say happy 250th birthday you leech.

>>17010965
this may or may not be the case.

>>17011059
seethe

I'm currently trying to learn as much as math as possible before I apply to uni for electrical engineering. (Europe)

Here is everything I've completed so far,
James Stewart - Precalculus
James Stewart- Early Transcendentals
Gelfand correspondence series (Method of coordinates, Algebra, Trig, and Functions & Graphs).

I was thinking of going through AoPS intro and intermediate algebra books, but according to ChatGPT and other people it's largely redundant due to my background in doing Gelfand's books.

What's your guys take on this? I feel fairly ready for the math I'll encounter in electrical engineering, I also just want to become as good as I can at math, and I've heard the AoPS books are the best that's out there for it, but I'm quite stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. I'd really appreciate some advice (do AoPS, or skip). Thank anons.

>>17011275
AoPS are more focused on competitive math, which is a complete waste of time.

>>17011279
Strange, every math autist I know keeps harping on about there being no better book for foundational math conceptualization. Thanks for your input anon.

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>>17011275
I would continue with DE which are heavily used in even basic circuits courses. I can recommend this book.

>>17011428
Thats because they are evilly obsessed with so called "prestigious" math competitions.

>>17011507
This looks fantastic. Thanks anon.
>>17011511
Got it. I'll just go with what the other anon said and go with the ODE book. Thank you.

>got accepted in neurodev PhD
Yay

>>17010870
I am not sure how many warnings against maths degrees we have seen so far but the concensus is very, very clear: do not aim for a maths career., It is not so much a dead end as non existing.
There is plenty of maths in physics and applied physics and those two can give you a job.

>>17011821
What if I get an associates degree in maths and then go for bachelors degree in finance or something similar? Is that a viable path? I'm starting to wonder if I should just give up going back to school at all in terms of STEM.

Any German anon can explain how I can get my foot into Zeiss or Bosch without having done student work or my thesis there? I see all these positions advertised and they fit my profile perfectly but they dont allow applications as a graduate. Whats the point are those fake jobs? Same shit with Infineon etc. my skills match but its either a student position or requires 10 years of experience.

>>17012034
Step 1) Be good.
Step 2) Be connected.

I notice that not a single one of you fucking time wasters is helping me get a job.

>>17012095
What did you expect? You got a gold star in middle school and thought people would care?

>>17012097
What is with you and these middle school gold stars?

>>17012098
It is a metaphor indicating how the non-academic world views a STEM PhD.

Ok but what does that have to do with you guys being useless roachies and not getting me a job?

>>17009257
Blue oyster cult

I'm in pain.

Can someone tell me what they would do with a torrent of engineers? Like a flow of maybe 40 men per year to your company being hired

>>17011918
>What if I get an associates degree in maths and then go for bachelors degree in finance or something similar?
Maths still bad. Finance can mean different things, if you mean accounting an d that kind of stuff, a maths degree is massive overkill. If you mean macro economics, modelling and the stuff at high finance, they prefer to see a PhD in a hot field.
>Is that a viable path?
Unlikely
>I'm starting to wonder if I should just give up going back to school at all in terms of STEM.
No. In this place you get the facts hard and fast but that doesn't mean there is no hope. If you have what it takes to get a maths degree you might have a very good chance to switch to physics or applied physics in which case you have a fighting chance. It is still not smooth sailing but you will have a lot more fallback positions.

t.PhD in Physics

>>17012312
engineering is probably a better bet than physics.

>>17010461
>biology
>safe from the jeet horde
Haha what

>>17012312
Lmao, all of this talk about the hard facts and then you recommend physics of all things? The guy said he struggled with calc II and you want him to do a physics PhD (which he will absolutely need in order to work in physics)?
>>17012316 This, get a Bachelor's in an engineering discipline. Still not all sunshine and roses, you might not work in the field you'd expect but at least it won't take as many years as a physics bachelor's + PhD.

>>17012470
>Lmao, all of this talk about the hard facts and then you recommend physics of all things?
Sure
>The guy said he struggled with calc II
He also said he finished too. Sheer brilliance is great but I would never dismiss utter determination.
>and you want him to do a physics PhD (which he will absolutely need in order to work in physics)?
I didn't use much calculus when I did my PhD in solid state physics. Some, sure, but that was never the hard part.
In any case, this is a general where we acceot there are no easy ways forward and that Invictus is considered motivational.

Is there any evidence that a physics PhD is better for employment than a math PhD? Both have abysmal career paths.

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I'm wondering if I should do a (Math/Physics) postdoc in Japan. I'm planning to leave academia anyways, and there are probably fewer oportunities in Japan than here in Germany, any advice?


>>17012759
College students are forced to take calculus, so there are more jobs for Mathematician professors. Depending on the paths they take, Physicists might have more job opportunities outside academia I think.

>>17012076
I have the skills but not the contacts. Sucks ass I guess I will just continue to try my luck at smaller corps.
I wish I went to those dpg networking events but its hard for a autist to fit in.

>>17012843
Wow... So zased... He wanted to le know... More le mathematics

Mathslop of the highest order

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I got a 75 on my calculus 3 midterm! I didn't attend a single class : 0

demolishing discrete maths and intro programming classes but having a bit more trouble with calculus II (though it's still not bad, getting around 85%) and doing terribly in digital systems (I think I'm gonna get like 40% on the midterm I took yesterday) the TA for the class told me I overthink instead of just doing what's in front of me and that's why I keep running out of time on labs and tests. I'm in first year CS. Stay the course or just switch to pure math?

>>17012890
Delete this picture.

>>17012895
>CS or pure math
Both are terrible degrees in 2026. Switch to EE ASAP.

>>17012903
everyone's switching to EE and honestly I don't care for it. Plus people in EE will also tell you it's terrible on some level you gotta do what you're good at and as we can see, I'm terrible with digital systems, don't think I have much chances in EE

>>17012908
Don't do pure math unless you want to teach high school.

>>17012925
>teach high school
that sounds like hell, but teaching at a community college or university doesn't sound so bad. It''s obviously not impossible cause one of my teacher is like 25 years old. I know I want to stay for a masters in CS (I don't see why you wouldn't unless you really want / need to get into the workforce ASAP, seems to open up many more job opportunities) and I was told that door is easier to get through if you have a math bachelors instead of CS somehow. I'm not there to get a job ASAP, I left my job to get some proper education

>>17012927
>teaching at a community college or university
Yeah, this is not a realistic career path. your teacher is probably a graduate student (i.e. cheap slave labor).

somebody please tell this fool he shouldn't waste his time on a math ""career""

>>17012843
I did a postdoc in Japan, it was fantastic, can recommend. Make sure you sign up for the language classes, that can be a major plus in employment later.

Starting my M.S. in biotechnology in August. B.S. is totally fucking worthless in a job hunt.

>>17013186
Who wants to tell him?

>>17013401
>>17013186
MS is worthless too. MS students might actually be the worst people in any given university, like the pure distillation of the tryhards who lack intrinsic ability.

>>17013401
>>17013421
Okay cool, love the optimism. How else should I go about getting a job then in such a dogshit hiring market?

>>17013509
Maybe get a more employable BEng degree? Doubling down on your autistic interests aren't going to get you a job.

>>17013044
I would definitely put lots of effort into learning the language if I end up going there. What's the point to going ot Japan otherwise.

>>17013563
Just give Mochizuki a firm handshake.

>>17013539
Medical microbiology is an autistic interest with no industry application? Lol.

>>17013669
If you don't want advice, why are you posting here? I went to secondary teacher training with a microbiologist who spent 3 years at MIT as a postdoc.

>>17013186
That's a good start, but you'll also need to get a PhD as well. No, I'm not kidding. I estimate that 90% of bioscience jobs in industry require a PhD, 9% say that a PhD is "desirable" (which really just means mandatory because you're competing with people who do have PhDs), and only 1% will only ask for a masters.

>>17013678
Christ.

>>17013681
That is, if you want to be a scientist. If you want to be a technician, then you don't need a PhD. Research virtually always requires a PhD.

Said it once, I’ll say it again. Always always always get the engineering undergrad degree. It’s just too versatile at the undergraduate level and has enough overlap with other fields that with some choice electives you can pivot into a masters of whatever field you want because your probably going to need a masters+ in that field anyways.

Wanna do physics? Any of the 3 core disciplines have enough overlap

Wanna do CS? Get the EE degree

Chemistry? No brainer

Math? Any of the 3 core disciplines

Remember, choice electives, maybe pick up a 500 level class if you’re eligible.

The reason for this is if it turns out you aren’t cut out for that particular field you still have a credential that lets you pay the bills. It’s hedging your bets. Engineering lets you lateral into damn near anything. Construction, project management, facilities, design, testing, manufacturing, fucking finance.

Computer science your kinda stuck doing computer science. Same with physics.

>>17013779
reddit spacing, reddit degree

>>17013779
>Computer science your kinda stuck doing computer science
what does doing computer science mean exactly. software development? like literally whats the difference between learning it at a university and learning it off a year coding bootcamp. can't you do something more interesting with the university CS degree?

>>17012937
original anon here, don't worry, message received.

>>17013829
impostor, I was the original poster. I'm starting data structures and algorithms in september

>>17013820
They don't teach software development. Maybe one theoretical course on software project management.
They teach some math and CS topics such as numerical methods, optimization, machine learning, theory behind OS, compilers, languages and computation, this kind of stuff.
In 2026, it boils down to AI + legacy stuff that you need to know to pass as a CS grad.

>>17013509
get a job as a student. Anything will do it doesnt matter if its jannie work. Otherwise you will be finished in 2 years and then discover and that everything requires 2-4 years of experience these days. Garbage economy world wide but there is no escape from this.

>>17013779
>Construction, project management, facilities, design, testing, manufacturing, fucking finance.
>
>Computer science your kinda stuck doing computer science. Same with physics.
physics used to be a universal degree as well still quite versatile if you have the experience. Idk what happened that made them give newgrad physicists the middle finger.

>>17014043
that was never the case, imo. bsc physics holders had a very robust pipeline to "software" during 2012-2022 that is in dire straits now.

Accidentally got the type of autism that makes you act molested instead of the good at math type.

>>17014043
It was never a universal degree. That was just marketing talk for “you have next to no hope of getting a job in your field so here’s some other shit grads did instead of taking a trip to the rope shop”
They figured out alternatives because their prospects were horrendous and there was no choice, but they were never first choice for anything and very few other degrees have such a high combination of advanced degrees plus high unemployment and far higher underemployment. Something like more than a third of all physics degree holders have at least a masters. That’s not because they’re generalists, they’re just failing to get anywhere after completing or mastering out of grad school.

>>17014043
I'm a 14 year old dropout who started university last year at 27 so I'll acknowledge right away that I don't know much about this world, but why would physics be universal? I don't see the relation between physics and like, software dev, finance, health sciences, etc. the only overlap I can see is with engineering branches, which fair enough, but you'd be competing with people who specifically studied the branch (civil, electric, mechanic, chemical, etc) which is basically the same problem you have if you study pure mathematics, it's not like you're useless in branches which require maths but you don't bring all the specified knowledge the people who specialized in finance, cs, etc have, so you're a less interesting applicant. IMO maths/physics are great undergrads to get you into grad school but not worth very much on the actual job market.

>>17014148
It’s a holdover from people saying this in an earlier era where degrees got you jobs. Back then physics was a sign you were smart so you could learn the job. That was around the era that got people saying you could go from physics into finance. About 20 years ago now. That’s been drying up ever since and now the last of it has all but faded completely, and physics has the worst employment prospects of nearly all degrees, not just STEM, but all. Only anthropology was worse for unemployment according to US statistics last year. Which answers >>17012759, by the way.

>>17014194
it's kind of insane to me that you have these people with high levels of education (even just a bachelors was an extremely high level of education a century ago) just sitting there not being put to use. They're gonna go work random jobs that have nothing to do with what they studied. Think of the waste of human capital on a societal level. It's not like we're talking about music or art majors either. I don't know why. I get the general either is that economies are just getting worse and worse and there's no room for investing into the next generation of thinkers, if it doesn't immediately make line go up then it's worthless. Guess that's just the world we live in now.

>>17014197
The ongoing abolition of labour...

>>17014197
plenty of jobs teaching high school

>>17014247
$25k/year, and you def don't need a physics phd for that

>>17014266
Yeah, the point is that there are not enough jobs that want a physics PhD. High schools will tolerate a physics PhD. Depending on the person and/or location, it might not even be that terrible of a job.

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I'm applying to be a business analyst in oil gas fuck academia I'm tired of being poor I want to sell out. Feel good butterflies from my le epic contributions to the field did not get accepted as down payment for a mortgage.

>>17014284
Physics PhD here
I'd unironically do this if the pension was good. Or hell, even if it wasn't. I think students would benefit from learning from people who know their shit

>>17014247
You can’t do this without another year minimum to be legally qualified in most places, they don’t just let any goy around kids

>>17014197
It’s insane to me as well but it’s also wild to me that actually saying this aloud usually got me a lot of push back from the general public.
Realistically, you’re sending these people to do bullshit jobs that waste everyone’s time because 99% of the work most e.g. office workers do doesn’t need to exist. It would be a better return on value to even let these former scientists do literally whatever the fuck they want for a small living stipend since at least then you’d have the off chance they get inspired to do something interesting with their free time, rather than burn it in a bullshit job that contributes nothing or is a net negative to society.

>>17014364
>got me a lot of push back from the general public.
how?

>>17014366
Many people in the general population, especially a certain kind of person you learn to sniff out after some time, genuinely despise anyone who aspires to anything intellectual. They think you wanting to work with your brain or advocating for people to be supported in doing so in spite of the apparent lack of immediate financial payoff means you think you’re better than they are, and they often have a certain kind of glee in seeing those people cut down to size and put back in their rightful place, so to speak.
I grew up poor as fuck so I know these people very well. But when I got older I noticed some kids went to schools where scoring highly didn’t get you a punch in the head in the middle of class, for example, and these people in turn seemed shocked that a certain demographic genuinely wants university funding to get axed for no logical reason.
Part of this is based on the reality that in shit areas, education genuinely won’t get you anywhere unless you get the fuck out fast, and the kids learn it from the parents. They might be tradies or something, and anything that doesn’t get your health fucked by 40 isn’t real work.
It can also happen among the very insulated and well off who just don’t give a fuck because they’re fine so fuck you, the system is fine the way it is and we can’t change it.

Where would you recommend a recent graduate to search for a job? Indeed is a waste of time.

>>17014381
facebook

>>17014381
I've only just started really using LinkedIn this week because their search function is so much better than Indeed's.

>>17014399
Linkedin also randomly bans people and then demands id info to unblock their accounts and then doesn’t actually do it and you can’t do shit with their support if you don’t have an account so they’re literally just running an infostealing scam on the side

>literally no more jobs near me
>no money to move to where there are jobs
Maybe I should just isekai and hope to roll to be born into one of the lucky families next time

>>17014373
>Many people in the general population, especially a certain kind of person you learn to sniff out after some time, genuinely despise anyone who aspires to anything intellectual.
I have met these people in the military and in management. Especially the latter will destroy the company, and I have experienced stuff I understand few will even believe.

>>17013779
>engineering is better than pure sciences for employment
Yes, it is basically a vocational degree (and that's a good thing for most)

>Engineering lets you lateral into damn near anything
Wet-behind-the-ears engineers thinking they can do everything is why everyone finds them insufferable. Senile engineers sending self-authored schizo papers to local physics departments is what happens after someone wanted to do cosmology, "hedged their bets" by doing Excel instead and coped for 40 years about still leaping over one day.

Absolutely think about employment prospects but don't think you can keep every door open forever it is just cope.

>>17012759
>>17014284
>>17014043
Physics is too large a field and PhDs too specialized to give a universal answer to employment prospects of a physics PhD. Shit ranges from theoretical cosmology to computational solid state physics to experimental biological physics. Tools can often be industry relevant even if the subject matter is not.

>>17014381
How many applications are you on? I've put in around 50 since May.

>>17014449
>Physics is too large a field and PhDs too specialized to give a universal answer to employment prospects of a physics PhD. Shit ranges from theoretical cosmology to computational solid state physics to experimental biological physics. Tools can often be industry relevant even if the subject matter is not.

Yeah, I agree. But the previous poster discouraged the aspiring math student to instead study physics, with reference to the job market, which is a bit absurd.

I agree that you need to be ready to close doors, but you should do that with both eyes open. You need to consider the numbers.

In my country. there are 10,00 people employed with math and/or physics degrees. 1/3 of them work in academia. They expect a large number of people in this group to continue with further formal training in education or IT. Meanwhile, there are 240,000 engineers holding formal qualifications.

Maths or physics can be a great degree for someone who already has all the sociocultural and character traits that would make you a success regardless of what degree you pick (access to networks through parents/family, high agency, charismatic, whip smart) which is frankly unlikely given we are all on 4chan in 2026 and probably have undiagnosed male bpd

>>17013509
Get a PhD or go home if you care about science and aren't sub-115 IQ goycattle.

On the other hand, if you are sub-115 IQ goycattle, please do get an MS, we always need compliant pipette slaves.

>>17014618
No, none of that shit matters. How many people in a typical department are “charismatic?” Nearly none.
With LLMs absolutely on the verge of killing mathematician jobs, there’s zero chance physics won’t be next. They’re two of the highest risk with lowest reward degrees you can pick.
Fact is you’re either born rich and connected and smart or you don’t matter. The previous few decades where this was accessible were a historical anomaly. We’re returning to science and mathematics being an aristocratic hobby and nothing more, like it or not.

>>17014675
I am talking about the sort of jobs outside of academia that were touted as interested in undergrad physicists like finance you utter buffoon.

Do you struggle with reading comprehension or something? I explicitly mentioned one's parent's socioeconomic position. Never respond to my posts again.

how bad is a technician role you have to travel 90% for?

>>17014704
Not as much as you, because none of that other crap matters. Wealth is the only thing that matters now. Charisma, agency, being “whip smart,” all that shit is just cope to pretend there’s some merit to it.
>>17014703
>the finance meme again
It’s not 2010 anymore. Physics is not in demand.

Does it feel good? Cyberbullying someone with terminal morgellons?

start punching each other already. pussies

I'm starting my MSc in physics. Wish me luck.

>>17014911
Good luck, Anon!

>>17014899
I'd sooner start trying to give him a mind blowing prostate orgasm...

>>17014911
Are you wealthy or more on the charismatic side?

>>17014921
>Are you wealthy or more on the charismatic side?
I am poor and autistic. However, I am already working as an engineer and just doing a second master's for fun.

>>17014948
NTA. Not sur eif I am on the spectrum but then again severakl colleagues have asked me streight up if I am autistic., At the same time I have also been blamed for being "too persuasive" so I guess autism does not exclude some charisma.

Why is the job market so dogshit right now

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>>17015092
>high interest rates relative to 5 years ago
>AI sucking up all of the capital
>pajeet migration exploded
>hiring people you don't already know made impossible by AI and pajeet resumes being lies on top of lies
>all the people who got convinced that a STEM degree was an instant ticket to the middle class in the 2010s are now hitting the market

>>17014911
I hope its optics or rf engineering related otherwise you are fucked. Do a internship at least.

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Is STEM a bad choice now?

I graduated with a degree in computer science from a top 3 university in my eastern european country. I received both my bachelor's and master's degrees with honors. I worked as a SWE for 4 years and was replaced by AI in early 2026. Now I work as a janitor for minimum wage, and my life is over at this point.

I have a friend I have known since high school. He studied physics and went to Austria to do a PhD at the best university there. After getting his PhD, he could not find a job and now works as a forklift operator at a warehouse. This is not a joke, unfortunately.

I also had friends from high school who studied mechanical engineering and electrical engineering. Most of them switched to a SWE career (it was before COVID) because there were few engineering jobs in my country back then and the salaries were low, while SWEs were in high demand. As a result, all of them were replaced by AI too. Now some of my friends are unemployed, some went into delivery, and some are like me, cleaning toilets for minimum salary.

Is this the reality of STEM in 2026? Honestly, I never thought it would be this bad. 10 years ago, a STEM major meant, if not a fortune, at least high demand in the labor market. Why is my friend with a PhD in physics working a near-minimum wage warehouse job? Was it really worth getting a PhD for this kind of work, or even studying at all?

Now I feel that many of the less diligent and intelligent people I went to middle school with, who could not get into university and instead went to vocational school for blue-collar trades like plumbing, electrical work, or welding, are much better set for life than all of us who pursued a STEM education.

>>17015376
>Is this the reality of STEM in 2026?
Yes. Many such cases.

>>17015410
Are there any reasons why the job market is so bad today for stem graduates? AI?

>>17015376
>Is STEM a bad choice now?
It's not worse than other choices, it's just not obviously superior to other ones now. Ever since they pushed for more people to go into STEM, you got a lot more 100IQ retards with BS degrees completely destroying any sort of competency signal it used to confer, while also making hiring more competitive. And a PhD has always been a horrible choice from an economic perspective, you're either doing it for love or clout.

I have female autism.
I have male PCOS.
I've got a testicular torsion in my heart.
I've got early onset male menopause.
I've got tinnitus.
I've got morgellons.
I've got cystic fibrosis.
I've got Marfan's syndrome.
I've got Peyronie's.
I've got tmau.
I've got pre-woke apsergers.
I've got treatment resistant monkey pox.
I've got restless leg syndrome.
I've got long COVID.
I've got sluggish schizophrenia.
I've got three STEM degrees and NO JOB.

We exist.

>>17015411
God wanted to punish us for our hubris.

Are bio jobs (besides doctor) essentially either wet lab or just having computers look for correlations to hopefully shit out a drug?

>>17015434
No. Look up assay development and screening. The people "just having computers look for correlations to hopefully shit out a drug" are computational chemists, and even that is an extreme simplification.
Biologists research suitable drug targets, then computational chemists develop potential candidate drugs for that target, chemists synthesise those candidate drugs, then biologists perform pre-clinical and clinical drug screening to find which candidates are the most effective and safe.

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tfw computer science exam about c++ / object oriented programming next Thursday
(We have to write code on paper)

>>17015413
>you're either doing it for love or clout
I thought STEMfags do PhDs to do
>yeah I am technically a Dr. Anon, but just call me anon
humblebragging + virtuesignalling

>>17015376
your friend should have asked his prof or group members if they had connections. Prof always has someone but you have to ask. They expect it but will never offer it themselves.
STEM is doing badly because there is a funding crisis nothing makes money apparently all money gets dumped into meme shit that will not last so its hard to get in unless you already play the bullshit bingo. Its not completely over just harder. You should do hardware and try to get into drones or anything military related.

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>>17015516
>get into anything military related

>>17015514
The reason people do STEM PhDs is that you actually need them (formal minimum requirement) to work in science.

>>17015514
That's clout, anon. A weird form of clout, but still clout.

>>17015525
Exactly. Wheres the clout? I've never seen it. It's le table stakes

>>17015514
No one with a PhD actually uses that title because everyone they work with also has a PhD. It's very tacky to use the title of doctor.

>>17015516
>STEM is doing badly because there is a funding crisis nothing makes money apparently all money gets dumped into meme shit that will not last so its hard to get in unless you already play the bullshit bingo

Where all the money are going right now? AI? Datacenters? Defense?

I don't know but I have feel that AI consumed almost all money right now.

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Good night STEM pride.

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What is a good degree if you want to learn some cool stuff and get a meaningful and rewarding job at the end? Rank all STEM degrees, thanks.

>>17016041
I asked Claude and I got this:

Tier 1 — best all-around balance:

Physics — the deepest "cool stuff" density per credit, and it launders into almost anything: quant finance, data science, engineering, medical physics, defense. Weakness: the meaningful job often requires a pivot or further specialization.

Computer science — highest employability-to-effort ratio, genuinely deep ideas (computability, complexity, cryptography), and the meaning is there if you choose your employer carefully. Weakness: the median CS job is not meaningful.

Electrical engineering — the secret best degree. Electromagnetics, signal processing, control theory, semiconductors. Nearly physics-level cool, engineering-level employable, and directly useful in energy, medtech, and defense.

Tier 2 — excellent but with a catch:
4. Mathematics — arguably the coolest stuff of all, but the "rewarding job" leg requires you to bring your own applications.
5. Biomedical/chemical engineering — strong meaning (health, energy, materials), solid jobs, slightly less conceptual depth.
6. Nuclear engineering — small field, but reactor physics is genuinely beautiful and the meaning (energy, nonproliferation) is real.
7. Aerospace/mechanical — great engineering breadth, meaningful in the right sector, but more incremental intellectually.
Tier 3 — cool or meaningful, rarely both without luck:
8. Biology/biochemistry — fascinating content, brutal job market without a PhD.
9. Chemistry — similar story.
10. Statistics/data science — very employable, moderately deep, meaning depends entirely on domain.
11. Geoscience/environmental — high meaning, niche employment.
12. Pure IT/software engineering degrees — employable, thin on cool.

Do you agree or disagree /sci/?

>>17016043
I don't want you ever posting something like this here again.

>>17016047
what's the matter?

>>17016041
probably civil E, EE, Mech E, etc. and any medicine+tech combo.
Physics is bullshit meme a good job however is possible if you did something laser related Otherwise stay away.
STEM itself is a meme these days if you need money you have to network.

>>17016051
We just don't want to see this kind of shit here

>>17016081
sorry

>>17015376
Hey dumbass. You shouldn't be "getting a job". If AI can replace you for cheap, you should be using AI to run your own company and build your own projects.

Many people are so attached to having a job, and that's not going to be sustainable. We need to have businesses. Plus, if you're sole owner of the business, you can "just not pay yourself" and buy everything through your business which probably results in a better tax situation.

>>17016094
You are right but not everyone wants to run their own business. Some just want a 9-5 corporate boomer job.

>>17016094
I'm perfectly capable of making my own ai slop. You're making a business out of eating your own feces

>>17016132
No he’s not right
>>17016094
This is absolutely braindead boomer advice. You know what’s actually unsustainable? Everyone trying to “entrepreneur” their way out of this.

No clear career narrative -- Your resume reads like 3 different people
Underleveraging your PhD -- You're not in a role requiring doctoral-level thinking
Credential addiction -- Physics master's won't help your career trajectory
Academic identity crisis -- You left academia but still think like one

AI roasted my resume ;_;

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>>17016043
>Computer science — highest employability-to-effort ratio
Are you serious?

>>17016094
>Many people are so attached to having a job, and that's not going to be sustainable. We need to have businesses. Plus, if you're sole owner of the business, you can "just not pay yourself" and buy everything through your business which probably results in a better tax situation

Man, I'm europoor. It's not america here. We don't have shitloads of free VC money.

What kind of business I can create here? Open my software consultancy? Sell "AI agentic engineering" courses in my european language? Sell some other AI bullshit?

I have some personal projects, but they will not become startups or in-demand products, unfortunately.

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Do you frame and display your degrees?

>>17016041
idk probably mechanical or electrical engineering

>>17016043
>I asked Claude
Seems Claude has read our FAQ.
>Weakness: the meaningful job often requires a pivot or further specialization.
More precisely, you need a PhD in Physics.

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no, this cannot be happening

>>17016158
What was the clanker/prompt? I asked Claude to roast my CV and it did not give very meaningful insights.

>>17015516
>You should do hardware and try to get into drones or anything military related.
I literally do research on designing hardware for anti-drone weapons, and the current administration has inexplicably crippled the parts of the military that work on and fund it. The year on year funding for the field as a whole was cut in half last year even with mutiple high profile successful demonstrations. JDETO is a complete shitshow that they outsourced to people who don't know what they are doing (and all educational grants were abruptly cut), AFOSR doesn't even have people or a process to approve grants anymore, and ONR is so backlogged that they haven't been sending out money for approved grants for months and I'm being forced to work for free right now.
Even a few years ago it was trivial finding a job but people I know who graduated in the past few months have applied to literally every company in the field and gotten no offers. One of the largest ones just cut ~half their staff this year.

>>17016177
I would if I had a dedicated office in my house. Or indeed a house instead of a flat. Feels a bit off putting them in the bedroom or living room.

>>17015376
Physics PhDs ending up doing manual labour tier jobs is a tale as old as time. The rest sounds like SWEs getting massacred which is happening everywhere, don't know if the reason really is AI or just the degenerate overheated hiring trend that lasted for too long.

Basically every industry runs on STEM. Sure, there's plenty of bad career choices to be made within the STEM umbrella. European economies (UK included) have been circling the drain for a while which doesn't help. But it's not like they will implode overnight, and if/when they do, everyone will be eating the shit sandwich and the educated professionals historically have had the best shot at establishing a life elsewhere.

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I don't have delusions of financial success and I'm smarter than every single one of you :)

There's a neverending line of people who would love to exploit my skill set to enrich themselves; I can get paid like shit anywhere; can you?

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Your choices are grifting on YouTube to perpetuate the illusion of academic mastery, tutoring the next round of debtors into their debt trap, or pushing a boulder up an asymptotic incline.
Is Sisyphus happy?

Data Science Y/N ? Already doing a joint math/cs so I figured maybe I ought to spend an extra year and get a double bachelors in math / cs under the data science umbrella

>>17016287
Ryan, data science is a solid path. Spend more time listening to your brother in law though

>>17016301
Okay but what's your opinion on this? I can either do the double bachelors in math/cs in 5 years, or do a joint cs/math in 4 then do a 2 year master's in CS. What do you think is better? I realized really fast that I enjoy mathematics more than computers, but I'm just one year in, and I was told a masters in CS is basically just math anyway. I'm good when it comes to proofs/logical argumentation (so far) but shit at calculations

Who's Ryan?

>>17015376
Mech. Eng. BS in the middle of nowhere USA. pretty much the same story here. I've been looking for a year and a half and get nothing but rejections, ghostings and scam calls.

>>17016287
Data science is dead. Cleaning datasets and calling pytorch is a braindead work made obsolete by LLMs. Now a 80IQ can do it for $20 a month.

>>17016315
I don't think CS or math are good choices today. You won't get a job anymore with such a degree.

>>17016471
Sad but true. Datascience is dead.

>>17016158
>No clear career narrative -- Your resume reads like 3 different people
Narrative is not needed - what you want is a job. ANd I had 4 different careers, I was paid, so not a problem.
>Underleveraging your PhD -- You're not in a role requiring doctoral-level thinking
Many careers do no require a PhD but you can leverage your PhD gained skills with great results. I had a sideline in quality auditing, and proper methodologies meant I found far more issues than my colleagues. Unfortunately, not everyone likes to have the problems brought to their attention.
>Credential addiction -- Physics master's won't help your career trajectory
I guess that is true if you already have a PhD. a Physics degree without Master's or PhD will be a problem and many HR departments filter out people by demanding a Master's degree as a minimum for anything.
>Academic identity crisis -- You left academia but still think like one
The West sure has a problem when proper analytical thinking is considered a problem.

>AI roasted my resume ;_;
I guess I just roated the AI.

What to do with a Biology/Biochem degree anons? Graduated like a year ago and I cannot find anything (mostly applying to research or lab positions). I don't want to do a postgrad so what can I realistically do to grow my career in this field without doing post grad

>>17016536
>BS in Biology
>don't want to do postgrad
What were you thinking? "Oh boy I sure would love to get paid McDonalds wages to do a more demanding job!"?

>>17016536
Teach high school

>>17016573
education is such a pyramid scheme nowadays lmao go get 10 years of education, which is worthless in the job market, only so that you can teach it to kids, which is worthless, and some of them will grow to study it themselves, only to teach it to more kids, as it is worthless in the market

>>17016536
>mostly applying to research or lab positions
Lab technician. It's really the only thing you can do without a postgraduate degree in biology. All scientists, researchers, need a PhD.

>>17016536
>biology job
>no masters
You're not gonna get a job.

>>17016536
Go to medical school

>>17016536
I had the same problem with a physics degree. Only solution is to keep trying. I learned ansys and kept a blog that helped.

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Best path is to move to China.

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>>17017071

>>17017107
Yeah, this was the case maybe 20-25 years ago.

>>17017107
Typical american hubris. People will still be saying this in 20 years when the chinese millenia fully kicks in

>>17017059
were you hired because you had a blog?

>>17017137
Not directly no. They hadnt read the blog before the interview but they did go through it during it. Was just 3 articles on a membrane heating problem I had from my thesis in 2d.

>>17017059
>blog
Imagine teaching others (and LLMs) for free
If I ever decide to make a blog it will be 100% vibeslop with false info

>>17016162
>We don't have shitloads of free VC money.
Technically most of Europe does. They just dump it in real estate, hoard the money, or throw it over the Atlantic to the US, or are 10+ years behind the trend.

>>17017322
One of the nmain sources of "facts" fo rtraiuning LLMs is that other site, the vitue flagging site populated by Ritalin abusers. So a blog that has facts will be drowned out by humans hopped up on drugs.

Not going to harvey mudd college has ruined my life

>>17017564
Nice try, Sam

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> 2024
I can safely bet its much worse now. Anon is right physics is a dead field.

>>17017702
Math chads, we are eating good.

>>17017702
Averages don't matter to exceptional individuals

>>17017723
>we are eating good.
Dumpster diving or do you have a paid job?

>why go to college when you can just become a twitch streamer or youtuber?
God damn what is happening

>>17018342
We have leaked subscriber payouts from twitch. The number of people who make a significant amount of money is very small. YouTube is also pretty bad and even the large channels make most of their money from other activities and investments.
Also I'd rather kill myself than act like the average streamer or youtuber.

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I have been looking into how I can use my Masters Chemistry degree to break into patent law and one requirement has gotten me really salty. Do law firms seriously consider a PhD in science equal to a Bachelors in Engineering? How the fuck can they think an advanced degree that takes 8+ years and backbreaking work to be equal to a 4 year degree that even the most braindead zoomers can complete. What the fuck!

>>17018373
>advanced degree that takes 8+ years
Where the fuck do you live where a PhD takes 8+ years? That's beyond insane. It only takes 4 years here.

>>17018379
I meant it's the combined total of schooling in order to acquire the PhD (4 years undergrad + 4 years grad)

VibeGODS fucking won

>>17018373
>Do law firms seriously consider a PhD in science equal to a Bachelors in Engineering?
I have never ever heard that. Around here the minimum requirement is a Master's degree and a PhD is quite common.

t.European patent attorney.

>>17014618
Joke's on you, i have diagnosed female BPD

>>17018459
Don't listen to this guy he is a notorious liar. There is no such thing as a patent attorney never mind a evropean one.

>>17018519
Ah, you are still here?

>>17018523
Where else would I be playboy? At my non-existent patent attorney gig raking in 80k euros a year plus bennies?

>>17018527
>80k euros a year
I was expecting patent attorney to make more than that.

>>17018546
Not bad for a job which DOESNT EXIST

>>17018566
it was real in my mind

> apply for service role
> they tell me I am overqualified.
well I guess it was worth a try...

>>17018459
That's an ultra competitive field especially now with the collapse of white collar

I was retarded to study math. I should have done EE.

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>every research job requires a PhD
>some jobs say they could accept 3-4 years experience instead of a PhD
>but they would still prefer someone who had a PhD with no experience
I've just finished my PhD and I still don't understand this. They prefer this degree over direct industry experience. It's the polar opposite of what's true for undergraduate degrees.

>>17018696
There are certain types of torment that only a PhD teaches you to tolerate

>>17018625
>you are overqualified
The hell of every intelligent retard. See:
>>17018696

A job posting is a wishlist meant to filter people who are wildly unqualified and people who are qualified but not confident enough to step into the job as they see it. The only jobs I have ever landed are the ones I thought were stretches that I was unqualified for. That's because the HR system is broken. The job posting doesn't describe what you are now, but rather whether or not you are the person they're describing after 5 years of doing the job they're advertising.

They are retarded. You are retarded. You can't communicate with each other. Because you're the hungry one, you have to take the initiative to say that the person they're looking for is you and actually give them some good reasons why.

>>17018736
>you have to take the initiative to say that the person they're looking for is you and actually give them some good reasons why.
how do I do this anon? Its impossible I didnt study stem to write well I took it because I am good at math and physics.

>>17018710
maybe the same could be said of all religions.

>>17018741
You have to translate your accomplishments into HR speak, basically. I know your response:
>I have no accomplishments
I guarantee you this is not the case. Think of a problem you worked on, especially if it's a side project. Like something from a class or work or whatever intrigued you and you went down the rabbit hole on it. It is likely some niche autistic thing that you get, but because you're simultaneously a wizard and a retard, you don't know that it's special.
Okay now here's an experiment: describe this project in all its autistic specificity to your mom or sister. Ask yourself: could they solve this problem? are they even able to understand what I'm saying? if they are able to understand, are they blown away?
In these scenarios, these are your test HR people. The projects you describe that they can't understand are the reason you will be hired. The way you think is why you are desirable to companies. Being confident that this is the case, when the ad says they want 5 years of experience (when realistically you've been thinking about these problems for the past 10 years), is what reassures the HR person that you might be good to pass along or to eventually hire.

Basically, you must interpret your experience in the broadest possible sense, because nobody else really gets it. If you feel shame about lack of recognition for what you don't think is work (but stuff that required a lot of thinking, therefore work), then you are objectively wrong in this area.

I butchered that but you have to give yourself the benefit of the doubt and spin your experience into something HR-friendly (the translation).

>>17018736
>>17018753
Not the anon you replied to but reading this refilled copium tanks. Don't care if it is accurate or not, just need to delude myself long enough to escape hell, so thank you.

>>17018546
>I was expecting patent attorney to make more than that.
I do.

>>17018566
>Not bad for a job which DOESNT EXIST
Pays pretty well as non-existing jobs go...
https://fellowsandassociates.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/FellowsSalarySurvey2025.pdf

>>17018736
Almost every scientist at the last company I worked for had a PhD. The ONLY one that didn't graduated from undergrad in the early 80s. So no, you're the retard.

I have a tough decision to make. Start a post bacc to redo some classes and do more research for a med school or PhD application, or do my masters and get a job so I can get on with my life and start a family. I fucked up my 20s so I'm 34 making this decision.

>>17018958
Do the PhD and get an industry job to fund family life? You will never be able to have time for that in med school. You will barely have time for it if you do a PhD. Don't worry about your age so much, but more about what you want out of life.

>>17018736
>be confident, it's the most important thing
Once again showing HR has made the job hiring pipeline into a clone of the dating process. There are tons of highly technical jobs that require high degrees of competency but for which confidence in speaking to normies is of little to no value. People with those skills are being kept out of those jobs by HR "generalists" who are using their skills developed swiping matches in tinder as the deciding factor.

I'm an ECE senior and taking an antennas course this fall, thing is I completely bullshitted my way through EM and forgot everything.
What would be a better use of my time, doing some rf hobby project (i work as an intern at a company that designs lc filters so thinking of doing one myself on some FR4 board) or should I just review over calc 3 and some lecture notes from my class? I have about 6 weeks left and don't have enough time to do both since I work full time

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>>17018864
Even in their made up propaganda (patentganda?) you evil bastards have to drop BRUTAL TRUTH NUKEs on oxbridgecels...

>>17018864
Don't lie, you are currently typing this on free McDonald's WiFi on a Sony viao from 2007.

>>17019178
Yeah, not a good look. Why does everything has to be so elitist?

>>17019187
The united kingdom first and foremost exists so a class of norman paedophile elites can run roughshod and sate their endless appetites for fox blood and young boys

>>17013779
What’s the easiest engineering degree to go back for a second bachelors if I’m dogshit at math? Are any of those hip niche undergrad focused engineering schools I hear about on redit any good

ok sir im sorry i only went to the in state public university and im sorry I only have one published paper and im sorry my personal sobstory trauma makes me give off weird vibes and im sorry for my employment gap and im sorry i never worked a relevant position in the field of my major but can I please just have a job please I can sweep floors just please let me work for you I will take minimum wage please please please I will take tipped wage without the tips please please hire me and let me work for you I’m sorry I’m sorry I’m sorry

>>17019204
>easiest engineering degree
chem or biotech

>>17018958
>med school
You are not gonna start a family in med school. Just forget about that entirely if you choose that route. You will be married to becoming an MD instead.

>>17018736
>>17018753
so your advice is to apply for the job requiring field experience but phrasing your cover letter as a highly motivated dude that can grow into the position instead of the usual
> hi thats me you want this bye
? It sounds like you assume that HR or whoever is hiring reads the cv/coverletter and that people arent simply getting auto filtered.

>>17010783
This should be in the FAQ.

>>17019241
I never understood the appeal of being an MD. You spend all your time around sick and elderly people. People expect you to be literally God. If something goes wrong, you are personally liable etc.

>>17019270
The average salary of certain specialties can exceed $600k. Some subfields like medical physics are really cool and don't require much patient interaction.
>If something goes wrong, you are personally liable
With liability insurance, this isn't really an issue.

>>17019289
Medical physics might be interesting but I don't think it is something MD's do. They have separate master's program. Famously, that cute cleaner in the webm got that degree.

Anyone here in quant finance/trading? I'm currently at T2 MM making about €200k in my first year. I'm in a sort of middle office role with some front office elements, but want to shift into trading or research. Any advice? Want to prevent myself from being pigeon-holed as current role is quite niche

>>17019328
Yeah these threads are probably not for you, friend. Lots of failed PhDs and mental illness in these threads.

>>17019328
These jobs also do not exist. Cease your lies immediately, you curr.

Red pill me on teaching IB math & physics?

>>17019328
I don't think anyone making six figures will get anything from /scg/. I can give you tips on how to get paid 60k after a decade+ of higher education and research experience in a career track where your salary caps off at 80k. No takers?

>>17019355
From having done the IB a lifetime ago I would guess it'll be mostly middle class kids who either are slightly anal-retentive or their parents are. So at least you probably won't have hoodrats throwing chairs and if you get to a fancy private school the pay might be decent.

>>17019425
Exactly what this guy is saying. Teach IB if you're a pussy too afraid to square off with some rowdy chillens

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I'm a failed academic (PhD + postdoc) who transitioned to industry two years ago (semiconductors, characterization). Feel underpaid and stuck. The options seem to be as follows:

>Stay at company as individual contributor, die poor, stagnate career
>Stay at company and try to get leadership experience, this company is ass and dying however
>Switch employers within similar sector as IC, salary will still be ass due to this not being sexy
>Switch to sexier sector, realistically could only enter through junior level and probably get rejected
>Reattempt academia, worst of all worlds
>Rope

Any hot opinions

>>17019499
Oh yeah I can spin the CV as reasonably impressive to some HR turkey despite everything. And I can pretend to be a normie for about 30 minutes.

>>17019499
switch to defense sector and make more money?

>>17019505
In a small European country. Local defense sector is not huge and is not paid any better. Abroad there are more jobs but they probably would not hire me. Experience isn't super directly relevant for defence sector either.

>>17019503
Repitiion is the mother of invention.

Get gud, brother

>>17019499
You could grow and manicure perfect black walnut and white oak on a plot of land in arkansas and pass along an amazing inheritance to your grandchildren while working any job as an aside. You have the skills to be that precise with the operation.

>>17019517
>>17019517Unironically the best advice in the thread. The OP is miserable because academia and the corporate tech sector are fast-frequency, high-entropy meat grinders that extract raw cognitive labor and return stagnation. High-precision forestry or long-term land cultivation scales across decades. It allows someone with a hyper-detailed, analytical brain to apply their precision to an organic, compounding asset while treating the "day job" as a completely detached energy source. Transcending the timeline of the quarterly corporate report is the ultimate liberation.

Veneer quality white oak (70 year investment horizon), and black walnut (30 year investment horizon) is incredibly valuable in a world that values appearences over solidarity.

>>17019514
If you're referring to the part about pretending to be a normie, 25 years ago the prognosis was never being part of normal society. With that in mind it's not too bad an outcome mostly just want more money.

>>17019517
Having kids would not be a good idea for any party involved. Just want sufficient money to have a bit more freedom compared to now.

>>17019522
Having kids is a freedom you can't afford?

>>17019523
Getting rapidly non-career related. Currently, literally could not afford kids. Living in a shitty unrenovated one-bedroom flat, no car, no holidays, no luxuries, saving about 1k/month which at the current rate just about affords retirement at 70 assuming no major mishaps.

Also, not passing an hour long smell test by HR should give an idea of mating prosptects. Beyond that, these genes are defective or at least unpleasant for myself and the broader world and do not need to be perpetuated.

>>17019529
Bro you are a genius. You work for a semiconductor company and you have a PhD that demonstrates you are an effective precision thought seeking missile when faced with complexity.

Stop making excuses that are self defeating, you're better than that. I believe in you

>>17019531
That's great and all but I live like a broke bitch. I've come to terms with the rest of it I literally just want more money either now or an elevated probability of more money in the mid term future.

Since the current job did not materialize as sufficient money, the next question is how to get more money. Individual contributors in this sector get paid shit money. Could either try to enter the manager track, which has the promise of more money, but heavily selects against spergs like me, and requires either staying at this company (which is ass) or trying to enter another company as a team lead. Or could try to enter a different sector which pays decent for individual contributors, but will be hard to enter and requires starting from the bottom yet again.

Can worry about the feel-good fuzzy stuff later. Before then, need more money.

>>17019538
I gave you my thoughts on the matter. There are tons of decaying industrial mass employees looking for someone who will step into the complexity and restructrualize it to restore continuity to their operations.

And if having children is a freedom you cannot afford then you have no freedom at all.

>17019538
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> You want a cold financial equation? Here is the raw math. Individual contributors (ICs) in mid-tier, dying hardware firms get squeezed because those companies have terrible margins and view engineering as a pure cost center, not an asset.
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> But you are completely wrong about having to "start from the bottom" to switch sectors. You aren't starting from scratch; you are translating core capabilities. If you can handle high-dimensional data, noise characterization, and physical systems diagnostics in semiconductors, your actual cognitive asset is **complex predictive analytics and systems optimization**.
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> High-margin tech sectors (like specialized compute infrastructure, automated logistics pipelines, or industrial systems simulation) don't care if you don't look like a standard corporate manager. They care about someone who can step directly into high-entropy operational breakdowns, map the complexity, and restore total structural continuity to their pipelines.
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> Look into niche data architecture, reliability engineering, or specialized hardware/software integration firms where the margins are fat enough that they pay premium rates exclusively for people who can solve the math problems their "socially adept" managers can't even comprehend.
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> Stop staring at the standard employee track. The money is found in restructuring the chaos that dying industries are drowning in. And remember: if your current trajectory prices you out of basic biological sovereignty, you aren't calculating a path to wealth—you are just optimizing the efficiency of your own confinement. Reprogram your parameters.

>>17019499
How are scientists in the semiconductor industry struggling? I thought there would be a lot of R&D right now because of the AI meme

>>17019499
>"I'm a failed academic in the most lucrative STEM industry waaahhhhh"

>>17019178
Yes, there are oxbridge people around here. I got my degrees from a red brick university, still made partner.

>>17019179
I am typing this from my WFH office using a computer and a monitor that are 5+ years old. This is plenty fast for my needs.

>>17019187
This elite doesn't really stand up to closer scrutiny. Revelations at rollonfriday.com is a never ending tale of rot and depravity and what you can get away with when you can lord it over the lower classes.

>>17019600
Does it feel good? Lying so much, and for so little?

>>17019553
They vote for progressive taxation, and live hand to mouth in the Bay Area renting at $3500+ for a 1 bedroom apartment

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In weightlifting hypertrophy comes from slowly moving through the eccentric part of the lift (-√2/2) the concentric burst of the press is almost meaningless for strength gain

2 Corinthians 12:9 CPDV
[9] And he said to me: "My grace is sufficient for you. For virtue is perfected in weakness." And so, willingly shall I glory in my weaknesses, so that the virtue of Christ may live within me.
2 cor 12:9
John 3:12 CPDV
[12] If I have spoken to you about earthly things, and you have not believed, then how will you believe, if I will speak to you about heavenly things?
John 3:12

Anyone done a second PhD?

>>17019540
>There are tons of decaying industrial mass employees looking for someone who will step into the complexity and restructrualize it to restore continuity to their operations.
Everyone is aware the entire economy is a sinking ship. No one person can stop it and everyone is too demoralized to join efforts. Therefore extract what value you can while you can. The future can go fuck itself.

>>17019553
Imagine working towards your obsolescence KEK useful idiots

>>17019531
>you are an effective precision thought seeking missile when faced with complexity
that's wonderful but llms can do the same for a fraction of time and cost

>>17019520
>haha oops you did not pay the big tree for protection, your white oaks mysteriously burned last night and the police (((can't find))) the victims

The universe has declared war on me and I'm losing.

The universe says you're gay

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>dad gets me a summer internship
>that summer internship gets me a year long industrial placement
>that industrial placement gets me into a PhD programme
>that PhD gets me a job as a scientist
It's that easy bruh. Get your dad to help you out, it's what dads are for.

Based Burnham sending these ivy educated RATs scurrying for the hills by DESTROYING the DSIT the parent organisation for the evil and wretched AISI

>>17019898
if you needed dad's help you are ngmi as a scientist

>>17019739
>>17019553
>>17019558

There's jobs they are just highly specialized and, in Europe, not very well paid and with not much room for progression.

The issue isn't paying $3500 to rent in the Bay Area, the issue is a take-home pay of 3000€ per month after taxes. It's enough to live on, but not enough to build sufficient savings to escape the cycle one day (and not enough to support a family, regardless of whether that is the end goal).

>>17019909
>not enough to build sufficient savings to escape the cycle one day
all by design
want to make it - make a startup and scam the (((rich))) out of their money

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>>17019909
I raise 4 children on 48.5k/year, 3500$/month on a 100k/year salary that "tax the rich"es itself down to 1000$ /month to cover all your bills food and discretionary spending absolutely is the problem. That, and making excuses while you self select out of the gene pool, for Bergman, Inc

>>17019901
I've already made it

>>17019898
>that PhD gets me a job as a scientist

This is where it breaks down unless your dad or your buddy steps in again.

I have been going through things that haven't been experience by man since Christ died on the cross. And yet I keep going.

well, Jesus didn't experience being a whiny faggot, that's for sure

>>17020090
How would you know you heathen fuck?

Jesus was a nepo baby if you think about it

>>17019938
They will be four meat sacs for the meat grinder in time. There will be no work for them and since they’re not rich it’s curtains.

>>17010871
Health care is definitely safe from AI.