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>>17008688
>Germany. I have thought about defense but the requirements are high nowadays and they don't have any active positions. Everyone seems to want physicists for optics or lasers only but not for sensors...
Since you are in Germany you could also apply to defence labs in other NATO countries. German degrees have a good reputation.

How inadvisable/impossible is it to pivot into quantum from a non-quantum background which is still in physics? I've done a good amount of optics and spectroscopy but in the semiconductor field.

Where does it say a man with female style autism isn't entitled to a way of sustaining himself and some dignity. Am I not a man and a brother?

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How much does science work in actual practice resemble what we're learning in school?
>>17009586
Obviously not if you think you're a girl.

>>17009626
Do you struggle with reading comprehension or something playboy?

>>17009712
Do you have a pathological need to not make straightforward statements?

>>17009626
>How much does science work in actual practice resemble what we're learning in school?
What level of underageb& am I talking to? In any case, not much, the subject matter is the same and that's about it. You're taught flowchart science, where there is an answer sheet at the end and well-defined rails to get you there which everyone around you follows. You're presented with an uninterrupted, completely logical narrative where the important connections are pointed out to you.

The reality of research is considerably more messy. Bits are missing, it is not obvious what the important parts are and how they connect together, there isn't a clear wrong/right answer at the end, there is no universal consensus or procedure.

It doesn't mean the schoolwork is useless. You have to be taught the basics, it is difficult and confusing enough as is, and a good teacher will make what took some Greek generational talent 50 years to figure out seem obvious to a 15 year old with ADHD.

Moreover, "doing science" is not really a job. "Real researchers" with any job security don't spend all day writing notes in their white coats. Professors never descend into their laboratories except for photoshoots and barely read the papers they are corresponding authors on. Any sort of career researcher will sooner or later have their job description be manager and promoter.

The jobs doing this flowchart science are the ones that really suck, usually being an operator in industry cycling through a procedure developed in 1982 for 10 000 times with minute parameter differences to optimize a process. You get to do research with more freedom as a PhD and postdoc, usually, but those are transition states.

What are some jobs?

>>17009734
Yes I have female style autism and it's held me back immensely

>>17009793
>What are some jobs?
No jobs, nowhere

I'll be studying pharmacology at the best university in my country is there any advice anons could give me?

>>17010165
Don't

>>17010170
Any particular reason why?

What are some AI-proof fields of EE that aren't power engineering? I'm currently in my second year of a bachelor's program and feel completely lost. Everywhere I look, I see headlines like "RFIC chips made by AI outperform human design." I wanted to go into RF or IC, but I don't want to spend years studying a field only to end up jobless like a lot of CS grads did.

>>17009827
>Yes I have female style autism
I had no idea there was such a thing and I have at least two female colleagues who are obviously on the spectrum. One even admitted it recently. The other has a preference for tight fitting spandex.
> and it's held me back immensely
How?

>>17010165
Do not just study and/or work, build a network of senior professors and attend career fairs.

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>phd corrections approved
>got an interview with a company I did an internship with before my phd
everything's coming up milhouse, I thought I was clueless but turns out I do have this life shit figured out

Is patent law the only STEM related profession that hasnt been infiltrated by the jeet menace?

>>17010460
Biology and chemistry are very safe. Actually, it's only programming and engineering that have been infected.

>>17010326
Female style autism isn't a clinical diagnosis. It's more about the difference in how females with autism are treated relative to how males are treated. One of the most notable is that females with autism have offspring at a rate similar to that of females without autism but for males, the difference between autistic and non-autistic reproduction is huge. Given current cultural trends, it wouldn't surprise me if autistic women end up with a higher reproductive rate than non-autistic women.

>>17010326
It has made me uncanny.

My neighbour is downstairs in the sun drinking a beer and gatekeeping jobs from me.

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>>17009257
What if I learn STEM...
At Home!
What sort of career path will I receive?

>>17010614
Companies want degrees as trusted proof that you know your field. You could do a degree at home though, distance learning and such.

>>17010755
The degree doesn't guarantee me a job

>>17010764
But no degree absolutely guarantees no job

Is comp chem a good field rn? i have a good grasp of GROMACS for biological simulations and want to learn LAMMPS for materials but dont know if im wasting my time.

Unemployedlets, those not in grad school, and those without graduate degrees should be banned from scg

>>17009281
In countries where quantum research has been getting money for a while (US, UK, Canada, Germany) it's probably very hard to break in. EuroHPC is doing quantum, but will make you have to compete with every other EU applicant, so it's not very encouraging. I know of some french and belgians with semiconductor backgrounds working with photonics on some quantum related grant, so maybe there is a niche you can fit into, but I don't know that field well enough to say.

>>17010247
Chip design will still be a safe choice, just because an AI can find a better topology doesn't mean the circuit will be tape-out ready. It won't replace the entire SoC process, verification, etc so you'll probably be fine as long as there's no singularity (in which case we'd all be unemployed anyway)

>>17010247
Let me give you some actual knowledge instead of the braindead redditor failed normalfag slop that constantly gets posted here.
After you graduate, you are going to spam apply at anything you can find. You're just going to stalk the job boards and shotgun applications at any and all "entry level EE" jobs you find posted online.
Eventually you might get a few interviews, you will sit around in a state of anxiety praying one of them hires you. If you are lucky that will happen, and whoever selects you, that is what will determine what "field" you go into.

Is there any point to getting a maths associates at community college? I finished calculus II but it was a struggle and I slept 5 hours a night for 6 years and lost my ability to visualize as well, my IQ definitely decreased, even after 9 months as a NEET there's some permanent damage, and I'm not sure I can handle Differential Eqns. At this point I feel like I should just go back to the wage cage for 25/hr. I don't think I'll have enough money to finish a bachelors and I'm too old to get financial aid.

>retards still think there are fields safe from AI

On a realistic scale, how bad/good are one's chances of getting a physics PhD in europe while having 2 publications in decent journals during masters as an american? I'm looking for biophysics (no wet lab) and I can write really good pseudocode for the models but rely on AI for syntax and polishing, idk if thats a hard pass for most PIs.

>>17010614
There are actually good, fully online STEM programs nowadays. However, it is a lot harder to study online so it is not for everyone.

>bög
You know that means gay in Swedish right?

>>17010407
>interview with a company I did an internship
don't want to rain on your parade but if your internship went well they'd have sent an offer directly without a humiliation ritual

>>17010965
Maybe that's how things work in America, but not here. Also my internship was 6 years ago.

please please can i just have a fucking job im sorry im sorry im sorry i got a stem education and was born fucked up and had bad experiences in life and am lonely and sad all the time can i please just have a fucking job

>>17011013
Uh no, actually, that is how it works in your country too. You live on planet America, you’re posting in American on an American site on American tech. Show some respect and say happy 250th birthday you leech.

>>17010965
this may or may not be the case.

>>17011059
seethe

I'm currently trying to learn as much as math as possible before I apply to uni for electrical engineering. (Europe)

Here is everything I've completed so far,
James Stewart - Precalculus
James Stewart- Early Transcendentals
Gelfand correspondence series (Method of coordinates, Algebra, Trig, and Functions & Graphs).

I was thinking of going through AoPS intro and intermediate algebra books, but according to ChatGPT and other people it's largely redundant due to my background in doing Gelfand's books.

What's your guys take on this? I feel fairly ready for the math I'll encounter in electrical engineering, I also just want to become as good as I can at math, and I've heard the AoPS books are the best that's out there for it, but I'm quite stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. I'd really appreciate some advice (do AoPS, or skip). Thank anons.

>>17011275
AoPS are more focused on competitive math, which is a complete waste of time.

>>17011279
Strange, every math autist I know keeps harping on about there being no better book for foundational math conceptualization. Thanks for your input anon.

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>>17011275
I would continue with DE which are heavily used in even basic circuits courses. I can recommend this book.

>>17011428
Thats because they are evilly obsessed with so called "prestigious" math competitions.

>>17011507
This looks fantastic. Thanks anon.
>>17011511
Got it. I'll just go with what the other anon said and go with the ODE book. Thank you.

>got accepted in neurodev PhD
Yay

>>17010870
I am not sure how many warnings against maths degrees we have seen so far but the concensus is very, very clear: do not aim for a maths career., It is not so much a dead end as non existing.
There is plenty of maths in physics and applied physics and those two can give you a job.

>>17011821
What if I get an associates degree in maths and then go for bachelors degree in finance or something similar? Is that a viable path? I'm starting to wonder if I should just give up going back to school at all in terms of STEM.

Any German anon can explain how I can get my foot into Zeiss or Bosch without having done student work or my thesis there? I see all these positions advertised and they fit my profile perfectly but they dont allow applications as a graduate. Whats the point are those fake jobs? Same shit with Infineon etc. my skills match but its either a student position or requires 10 years of experience.

>>17012034
Step 1) Be good.
Step 2) Be connected.

I notice that not a single one of you fucking time wasters is helping me get a job.

>>17012095
What did you expect? You got a gold star in middle school and thought people would care?

>>17012097
What is with you and these middle school gold stars?

>>17012098
It is a metaphor indicating how the non-academic world views a STEM PhD.

Ok but what does that have to do with you guys being useless roachies and not getting me a job?

>>17009257
Blue oyster cult

I'm in pain.

Can someone tell me what they would do with a torrent of engineers? Like a flow of maybe 40 men per year to your company being hired

>>17011918
>What if I get an associates degree in maths and then go for bachelors degree in finance or something similar?
Maths still bad. Finance can mean different things, if you mean accounting an d that kind of stuff, a maths degree is massive overkill. If you mean macro economics, modelling and the stuff at high finance, they prefer to see a PhD in a hot field.
>Is that a viable path?
Unlikely
>I'm starting to wonder if I should just give up going back to school at all in terms of STEM.
No. In this place you get the facts hard and fast but that doesn't mean there is no hope. If you have what it takes to get a maths degree you might have a very good chance to switch to physics or applied physics in which case you have a fighting chance. It is still not smooth sailing but you will have a lot more fallback positions.

t.PhD in Physics

>>17012312
engineering is probably a better bet than physics.

>>17010461
>biology
>safe from the jeet horde
Haha what

>>17012312
Lmao, all of this talk about the hard facts and then you recommend physics of all things? The guy said he struggled with calc II and you want him to do a physics PhD (which he will absolutely need in order to work in physics)?
>>17012316 This, get a Bachelor's in an engineering discipline. Still not all sunshine and roses, you might not work in the field you'd expect but at least it won't take as many years as a physics bachelor's + PhD.

>>17012470
>Lmao, all of this talk about the hard facts and then you recommend physics of all things?
Sure
>The guy said he struggled with calc II
He also said he finished too. Sheer brilliance is great but I would never dismiss utter determination.
>and you want him to do a physics PhD (which he will absolutely need in order to work in physics)?
I didn't use much calculus when I did my PhD in solid state physics. Some, sure, but that was never the hard part.
In any case, this is a general where we acceot there are no easy ways forward and that Invictus is considered motivational.

Is there any evidence that a physics PhD is better for employment than a math PhD? Both have abysmal career paths.

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I'm wondering if I should do a (Math/Physics) postdoc in Japan. I'm planning to leave academia anyways, and there are probably fewer oportunities in Japan than here in Germany, any advice?


>>17012759
College students are forced to take calculus, so there are more jobs for Mathematician professors. Depending on the paths they take, Physicists might have more job opportunities outside academia I think.

>>17012076
I have the skills but not the contacts. Sucks ass I guess I will just continue to try my luck at smaller corps.
I wish I went to those dpg networking events but its hard for a autist to fit in.

>>17012843
Wow... So zased... He wanted to le know... More le mathematics

Mathslop of the highest order

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I got a 75 on my calculus 3 midterm! I didn't attend a single class : 0

demolishing discrete maths and intro programming classes but having a bit more trouble with calculus II (though it's still not bad, getting around 85%) and doing terribly in digital systems (I think I'm gonna get like 40% on the midterm I took yesterday) the TA for the class told me I overthink instead of just doing what's in front of me and that's why I keep running out of time on labs and tests. I'm in first year CS. Stay the course or just switch to pure math?

>>17012890
Delete this picture.

>>17012895
>CS or pure math
Both are terrible degrees in 2026. Switch to EE ASAP.

>>17012903
everyone's switching to EE and honestly I don't care for it. Plus people in EE will also tell you it's terrible on some level you gotta do what you're good at and as we can see, I'm terrible with digital systems, don't think I have much chances in EE

>>17012908
Don't do pure math unless you want to teach high school.

>>17012925
>teach high school
that sounds like hell, but teaching at a community college or university doesn't sound so bad. It''s obviously not impossible cause one of my teacher is like 25 years old. I know I want to stay for a masters in CS (I don't see why you wouldn't unless you really want / need to get into the workforce ASAP, seems to open up many more job opportunities) and I was told that door is easier to get through if you have a math bachelors instead of CS somehow. I'm not there to get a job ASAP, I left my job to get some proper education

>>17012927
>teaching at a community college or university
Yeah, this is not a realistic career path. your teacher is probably a graduate student (i.e. cheap slave labor).

somebody please tell this fool he shouldn't waste his time on a math ""career""

>>17012843
I did a postdoc in Japan, it was fantastic, can recommend. Make sure you sign up for the language classes, that can be a major plus in employment later.

Starting my M.S. in biotechnology in August. B.S. is totally fucking worthless in a job hunt.

>>17013186
Who wants to tell him?

>>17013401
>>17013186
MS is worthless too. MS students might actually be the worst people in any given university, like the pure distillation of the tryhards who lack intrinsic ability.

>>17013401
>>17013421
Okay cool, love the optimism. How else should I go about getting a job then in such a dogshit hiring market?

>>17013509
Maybe get a more employable BEng degree? Doubling down on your autistic interests aren't going to get you a job.

>>17013044
I would definitely put lots of effort into learning the language if I end up going there. What's the point to going ot Japan otherwise.

>>17013563
Just give Mochizuki a firm handshake.

>>17013539
Medical microbiology is an autistic interest with no industry application? Lol.

>>17013669
If you don't want advice, why are you posting here? I went to secondary teacher training with a microbiologist who spent 3 years at MIT as a postdoc.

>>17013186
That's a good start, but you'll also need to get a PhD as well. No, I'm not kidding. I estimate that 90% of bioscience jobs in industry require a PhD, 9% say that a PhD is "desirable" (which really just means mandatory because you're competing with people who do have PhDs), and only 1% will only ask for a masters.

>>17013678
Christ.

>>17013681
That is, if you want to be a scientist. If you want to be a technician, then you don't need a PhD. Research virtually always requires a PhD.

Said it once, I’ll say it again. Always always always get the engineering undergrad degree. It’s just too versatile at the undergraduate level and has enough overlap with other fields that with some choice electives you can pivot into a masters of whatever field you want because your probably going to need a masters+ in that field anyways.

Wanna do physics? Any of the 3 core disciplines have enough overlap

Wanna do CS? Get the EE degree

Chemistry? No brainer

Math? Any of the 3 core disciplines

Remember, choice electives, maybe pick up a 500 level class if you’re eligible.

The reason for this is if it turns out you aren’t cut out for that particular field you still have a credential that lets you pay the bills. It’s hedging your bets. Engineering lets you lateral into damn near anything. Construction, project management, facilities, design, testing, manufacturing, fucking finance.

Computer science your kinda stuck doing computer science. Same with physics.

>>17013779
reddit spacing, reddit degree

>>17013779
>Computer science your kinda stuck doing computer science
what does doing computer science mean exactly. software development? like literally whats the difference between learning it at a university and learning it off a year coding bootcamp. can't you do something more interesting with the university CS degree?

>>17012937
original anon here, don't worry, message received.

>>17013829
impostor, I was the original poster. I'm starting data structures and algorithms in september

>>17013820
They don't teach software development. Maybe one theoretical course on software project management.
They teach some math and CS topics such as numerical methods, optimization, machine learning, theory behind OS, compilers, languages and computation, this kind of stuff.
In 2026, it boils down to AI + legacy stuff that you need to know to pass as a CS grad.

>>17013509
get a job as a student. Anything will do it doesnt matter if its jannie work. Otherwise you will be finished in 2 years and then discover and that everything requires 2-4 years of experience these days. Garbage economy world wide but there is no escape from this.

>>17013779
>Construction, project management, facilities, design, testing, manufacturing, fucking finance.
>
>Computer science your kinda stuck doing computer science. Same with physics.
physics used to be a universal degree as well still quite versatile if you have the experience. Idk what happened that made them give newgrad physicists the middle finger.

>>17014043
that was never the case, imo. bsc physics holders had a very robust pipeline to "software" during 2012-2022 that is in dire straits now.

Accidentally got the type of autism that makes you act molested instead of the good at math type.

>>17014043
It was never a universal degree. That was just marketing talk for “you have next to no hope of getting a job in your field so here’s some other shit grads did instead of taking a trip to the rope shop”
They figured out alternatives because their prospects were horrendous and there was no choice, but they were never first choice for anything and very few other degrees have such a high combination of advanced degrees plus high unemployment and far higher underemployment. Something like more than a third of all physics degree holders have at least a masters. That’s not because they’re generalists, they’re just failing to get anywhere after completing or mastering out of grad school.

>>17014043
I'm a 14 year old dropout who started university last year at 27 so I'll acknowledge right away that I don't know much about this world, but why would physics be universal? I don't see the relation between physics and like, software dev, finance, health sciences, etc. the only overlap I can see is with engineering branches, which fair enough, but you'd be competing with people who specifically studied the branch (civil, electric, mechanic, chemical, etc) which is basically the same problem you have if you study pure mathematics, it's not like you're useless in branches which require maths but you don't bring all the specified knowledge the people who specialized in finance, cs, etc have, so you're a less interesting applicant. IMO maths/physics are great undergrads to get you into grad school but not worth very much on the actual job market.

>>17014148
It’s a holdover from people saying this in an earlier era where degrees got you jobs. Back then physics was a sign you were smart so you could learn the job. That was around the era that got people saying you could go from physics into finance. About 20 years ago now. That’s been drying up ever since and now the last of it has all but faded completely, and physics has the worst employment prospects of nearly all degrees, not just STEM, but all. Only anthropology was worse for unemployment according to US statistics last year. Which answers >>17012759, by the way.

>>17014194
it's kind of insane to me that you have these people with high levels of education (even just a bachelors was an extremely high level of education a century ago) just sitting there not being put to use. They're gonna go work random jobs that have nothing to do with what they studied. Think of the waste of human capital on a societal level. It's not like we're talking about music or art majors either. I don't know why. I get the general either is that economies are just getting worse and worse and there's no room for investing into the next generation of thinkers, if it doesn't immediately make line go up then it's worthless. Guess that's just the world we live in now.

>>17014197
The ongoing abolition of labour...

>>17014197
plenty of jobs teaching high school

>>17014247
$25k/year, and you def don't need a physics phd for that

>>17014266
Yeah, the point is that there are not enough jobs that want a physics PhD. High schools will tolerate a physics PhD. Depending on the person and/or location, it might not even be that terrible of a job.

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I'm applying to be a business analyst in oil gas fuck academia I'm tired of being poor I want to sell out. Feel good butterflies from my le epic contributions to the field did not get accepted as down payment for a mortgage.

>>17014284
Physics PhD here
I'd unironically do this if the pension was good. Or hell, even if it wasn't. I think students would benefit from learning from people who know their shit

>>17014247
You can’t do this without another year minimum to be legally qualified in most places, they don’t just let any goy around kids

>>17014197
It’s insane to me as well but it’s also wild to me that actually saying this aloud usually got me a lot of push back from the general public.
Realistically, you’re sending these people to do bullshit jobs that waste everyone’s time because 99% of the work most e.g. office workers do doesn’t need to exist. It would be a better return on value to even let these former scientists do literally whatever the fuck they want for a small living stipend since at least then you’d have the off chance they get inspired to do something interesting with their free time, rather than burn it in a bullshit job that contributes nothing or is a net negative to society.

>>17014364
>got me a lot of push back from the general public.
how?

>>17014366
Many people in the general population, especially a certain kind of person you learn to sniff out after some time, genuinely despise anyone who aspires to anything intellectual. They think you wanting to work with your brain or advocating for people to be supported in doing so in spite of the apparent lack of immediate financial payoff means you think you’re better than they are, and they often have a certain kind of glee in seeing those people cut down to size and put back in their rightful place, so to speak.
I grew up poor as fuck so I know these people very well. But when I got older I noticed some kids went to schools where scoring highly didn’t get you a punch in the head in the middle of class, for example, and these people in turn seemed shocked that a certain demographic genuinely wants university funding to get axed for no logical reason.
Part of this is based on the reality that in shit areas, education genuinely won’t get you anywhere unless you get the fuck out fast, and the kids learn it from the parents. They might be tradies or something, and anything that doesn’t get your health fucked by 40 isn’t real work.
It can also happen among the very insulated and well off who just don’t give a fuck because they’re fine so fuck you, the system is fine the way it is and we can’t change it.

Where would you recommend a recent graduate to search for a job? Indeed is a waste of time.

>>17014381
facebook

>>17014381
I've only just started really using LinkedIn this week because their search function is so much better than Indeed's.

>>17014399
Linkedin also randomly bans people and then demands id info to unblock their accounts and then doesn’t actually do it and you can’t do shit with their support if you don’t have an account so they’re literally just running an infostealing scam on the side

>literally no more jobs near me
>no money to move to where there are jobs
Maybe I should just isekai and hope to roll to be born into one of the lucky families next time

>>17014373
>Many people in the general population, especially a certain kind of person you learn to sniff out after some time, genuinely despise anyone who aspires to anything intellectual.
I have met these people in the military and in management. Especially the latter will destroy the company, and I have experienced stuff I understand few will even believe.

>>17013779
>engineering is better than pure sciences for employment
Yes, it is basically a vocational degree (and that's a good thing for most)

>Engineering lets you lateral into damn near anything
Wet-behind-the-ears engineers thinking they can do everything is why everyone finds them insufferable. Senile engineers sending self-authored schizo papers to local physics departments is what happens after someone wanted to do cosmology, "hedged their bets" by doing Excel instead and coped for 40 years about still leaping over one day.

Absolutely think about employment prospects but don't think you can keep every door open forever it is just cope.

>>17012759
>>17014284
>>17014043
Physics is too large a field and PhDs too specialized to give a universal answer to employment prospects of a physics PhD. Shit ranges from theoretical cosmology to computational solid state physics to experimental biological physics. Tools can often be industry relevant even if the subject matter is not.

>>17014381
How many applications are you on? I've put in around 50 since May.

>>17014449
>Physics is too large a field and PhDs too specialized to give a universal answer to employment prospects of a physics PhD. Shit ranges from theoretical cosmology to computational solid state physics to experimental biological physics. Tools can often be industry relevant even if the subject matter is not.

Yeah, I agree. But the previous poster discouraged the aspiring math student to instead study physics, with reference to the job market, which is a bit absurd.

I agree that you need to be ready to close doors, but you should do that with both eyes open. You need to consider the numbers.

In my country. there are 10,00 people employed with math and/or physics degrees. 1/3 of them work in academia. They expect a large number of people in this group to continue with further formal training in education or IT. Meanwhile, there are 240,000 engineers holding formal qualifications.

Maths or physics can be a great degree for someone who already has all the sociocultural and character traits that would make you a success regardless of what degree you pick (access to networks through parents/family, high agency, charismatic, whip smart) which is frankly unlikely given we are all on 4chan in 2026 and probably have undiagnosed male bpd

>>17013509
Get a PhD or go home if you care about science and aren't sub-115 IQ goycattle.

On the other hand, if you are sub-115 IQ goycattle, please do get an MS, we always need compliant pipette slaves.

>>17014618
No, none of that shit matters. How many people in a typical department are “charismatic?” Nearly none.
With LLMs absolutely on the verge of killing mathematician jobs, there’s zero chance physics won’t be next. They’re two of the highest risk with lowest reward degrees you can pick.
Fact is you’re either born rich and connected and smart or you don’t matter. The previous few decades where this was accessible were a historical anomaly. We’re returning to science and mathematics being an aristocratic hobby and nothing more, like it or not.

>>17014675
I am talking about the sort of jobs outside of academia that were touted as interested in undergrad physicists like finance you utter buffoon.

Do you struggle with reading comprehension or something? I explicitly mentioned one's parent's socioeconomic position. Never respond to my posts again.

how bad is a technician role you have to travel 90% for?

>>17014704
Not as much as you, because none of that other crap matters. Wealth is the only thing that matters now. Charisma, agency, being “whip smart,” all that shit is just cope to pretend there’s some merit to it.
>>17014703
>the finance meme again
It’s not 2010 anymore. Physics is not in demand.

Does it feel good? Cyberbullying someone with terminal morgellons?

start punching each other already. pussies

I'm starting my MSc in physics. Wish me luck.

>>17014911
Good luck, Anon!

>>17014899
I'd sooner start trying to give him a mind blowing prostate orgasm...

>>17014911
Are you wealthy or more on the charismatic side?

>>17014921
>Are you wealthy or more on the charismatic side?
I am poor and autistic. However, I am already working as an engineer and just doing a second master's for fun.

>>17014948
NTA. Not sur eif I am on the spectrum but then again severakl colleagues have asked me streight up if I am autistic., At the same time I have also been blamed for being "too persuasive" so I guess autism does not exclude some charisma.

Why is the job market so dogshit right now

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>>17015092
>high interest rates relative to 5 years ago
>AI sucking up all of the capital
>pajeet migration exploded
>hiring people you don't already know made impossible by AI and pajeet resumes being lies on top of lies
>all the people who got convinced that a STEM degree was an instant ticket to the middle class in the 2010s are now hitting the market

>>17014911
I hope its optics or rf engineering related otherwise you are fucked. Do a internship at least.

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Is STEM a bad choice now?

I graduated with a degree in computer science from a top 3 university in my eastern european country. I received both my bachelor's and master's degrees with honors. I worked as a SWE for 4 years and was replaced by AI in early 2026. Now I work as a janitor for minimum wage, and my life is over at this point.

I have a friend I have known since high school. He studied physics and went to Austria to do a PhD at the best university there. After getting his PhD, he could not find a job and now works as a forklift operator at a warehouse. This is not a joke, unfortunately.

I also had friends from high school who studied mechanical engineering and electrical engineering. Most of them switched to a SWE career (it was before COVID) because there were few engineering jobs in my country back then and the salaries were low, while SWEs were in high demand. As a result, all of them were replaced by AI too. Now some of my friends are unemployed, some went into delivery, and some are like me, cleaning toilets for minimum salary.

Is this the reality of STEM in 2026? Honestly, I never thought it would be this bad. 10 years ago, a STEM major meant, if not a fortune, at least high demand in the labor market. Why is my friend with a PhD in physics working a near-minimum wage warehouse job? Was it really worth getting a PhD for this kind of work, or even studying at all?

Now I feel that many of the less diligent and intelligent people I went to middle school with, who could not get into university and instead went to vocational school for blue-collar trades like plumbing, electrical work, or welding, are much better set for life than all of us who pursued a STEM education.

>>17015376
>Is this the reality of STEM in 2026?
Yes. Many such cases.

>>17015410
Are there any reasons why the job market is so bad today for stem graduates? AI?

>>17015376
>Is STEM a bad choice now?
It's not worse than other choices, it's just not obviously superior to other ones now. Ever since they pushed for more people to go into STEM, you got a lot more 100IQ retards with BS degrees completely destroying any sort of competency signal it used to confer, while also making hiring more competitive. And a PhD has always been a horrible choice from an economic perspective, you're either doing it for love or clout.

I have female autism.
I have male PCOS.
I've got a testicular torsion in my heart.
I've got early onset male menopause.
I've got tinnitus.
I've got morgellons.
I've got cystic fibrosis.
I've got Marfan's syndrome.
I've got Peyronie's.
I've got tmau.
I've got pre-woke apsergers.
I've got treatment resistant monkey pox.
I've got restless leg syndrome.
I've got long COVID.
I've got sluggish schizophrenia.
I've got three STEM degrees and NO JOB.

We exist.

>>17015411
God wanted to punish us for our hubris.

Are bio jobs (besides doctor) essentially either wet lab or just having computers look for correlations to hopefully shit out a drug?

>>17015434
No. Look up assay development and screening. The people "just having computers look for correlations to hopefully shit out a drug" are computational chemists, and even that is an extreme simplification.
Biologists research suitable drug targets, then computational chemists develop potential candidate drugs for that target, chemists synthesise those candidate drugs, then biologists perform pre-clinical and clinical drug screening to find which candidates are the most effective and safe.

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tfw computer science exam about c++ / object oriented programming next Thursday
(We have to write code on paper)

>>17015413
>you're either doing it for love or clout
I thought STEMfags do PhDs to do
>yeah I am technically a Dr. Anon, but just call me anon
humblebragging + virtuesignalling

>>17015376
your friend should have asked his prof or group members if they had connections. Prof always has someone but you have to ask. They expect it but will never offer it themselves.
STEM is doing badly because there is a funding crisis nothing makes money apparently all money gets dumped into meme shit that will not last so its hard to get in unless you already play the bullshit bingo. Its not completely over just harder. You should do hardware and try to get into drones or anything military related.

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>>17015516
>get into anything military related

>>17015514
The reason people do STEM PhDs is that you actually need them (formal minimum requirement) to work in science.

>>17015514
That's clout, anon. A weird form of clout, but still clout.

>>17015525
Exactly. Wheres the clout? I've never seen it. It's le table stakes

>>17015514
No one with a PhD actually uses that title because everyone they work with also has a PhD. It's very tacky to use the title of doctor.