medium lift- editionprevious >>17075844
reuse has never been profitable
https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/10/does-anyone-actually-want-to-win-the-medium-lift-race-in-the-united-states/>Stoke Space: Nova>Predicted launch debut: July 2027>Relativity Space: Terran R>Predicted launch debut: September 2027>Rocket Lab: Neutron>Predicted launch debut: January 2028>Firefly/Northrop Grumman: Eclipse>Predicted launch debut: NET 2029
>Elon personally ordered Starlink's speed restrictions on Ukraine according to the WSJthats odd and goes against every other news report about it
>>17078404>people familiar with the matter
>>17078404That's because it's pure bullshit.
musk is inventing new chess pieces in cellular
https://x.com/Truthful_ast/status/2112645507747385806
>>17078414it misses though and got edited to look like it got caught
nobody cares about spaceflight
we're back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpmXdGzy4gk
https://x.com/larsmoravy/status/2113036294578446510
>php zero day discovered>4chan immediately locks downthe year is 2026 and this potato still runs on a shitty language
>>17078429“Rocketry” as a subject/hobby/fascination is so far removed from normies that it’s understandably hard for them to imagine how it all works. But like if you play around enough you start to realize that ‘fooling around in orbit w/ KSP rcs docking thrusters’ and ‘jumping a canyon with a car and doing a roll flip with thrusters’ are the same thing, if the math checks out. We don’t often imagine large objects hovering and maneuvering and hitting the X,Y,Z (other than rockets going straight up and slowly leaning, which is the normie’s frame of reference)
YLYL>A full-scale drop test of the European Space Agency’s Space Rider spaceplane ended abruptly after the test model’s parafoil failed to deploy as expected. This marks the second time this year that a Space Rider drop test has been interrupted by an anomaly, following an aborted attempt in May.>Despite the failed drop test and the loss of the test model, ESA still expects Space Rider’s inaugural flight to take place in 2028. However, the target has shifted slightly from the first quarter of the year to the second.https://europeanspaceflight.com/space-rider-test-model-lost-following-failed-drop-test/
>>17078404Any scandalous political article that uses anonymous sources made in the month before a big election is by default fake news.
>>17078437this requires more feasibility studies
>>17078411>musk is inventing new chess piecesThe GrookThe Gnight...
>>17078429Grok?>Tesla says the car carries 600 liters of air, which works out to roughly 440 lbs of air (AKA about 70 scuba tanks' worth)>The catch is that it runs out super fast so hovering burns about 70lbs of air every second, so the car could stay up for about 6 seconds at most.>Yep. Another grift.
>>17078404Here you go:https://www.wsj.com/world/ukraine-starlink-elon-musk-trump-dbc49193Elon: Why we reed net neutrality.
>>17078464The Duke boys never needed more than six seconds of flight to get away from the cops.
>>17078459the bishook (can move to all spaces the bishop and rook can move to)
>>17078459the Laser Shark: before moving zaps the piece it is facing
>>17078464you already posted thiskill yourself twice
grok?
>>17078476hahah oh you sussy silly boy you, that's just a regular queen?
>>17078437could be worse, could be dreamchaser
I wish the space race never ended.
>>17078507But are you brave enough to wish it never even started?
>>17078507at least we have SpaceX vs Blue Origin
>>17078510>missile technology never gets far enough to make larger aircraft obsoleteYes a small part of me wishes such things
>>17078507uncle vlad will make rump russia a dangerous superpower again and the race will continue my fellow cadet
>>17078517lol
>>17078520The US could have had DC-X reusable for small payloads and a BDR for large payloads in the 80s, but the NASA Contractor Political axis of evil prevented that. We wuz robbed.
>>17078507I wish the Chinese had realized that rockets/fireworks could have been used as a propulsion method back in the Sung Dinasty (960-1279 AD)
>>17078467>people familiar with the matter
>>17078534they took my shitposts seriously
>>17078404You need to be familiar with how this worksSomeone 'leaks' a rumor to the press about some extremely scandalous shitThe DoJ is then 'obligated' to investigate by Congress which cites the news article as evidence, even though it's only reporting on a rumorDid you not see how they did this with Russiagate
>>17078396Real reuse has never been tried
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20260009199/downloads/HLS%20IAC%202026%20Presentation%20FINAL.pdfso...starship prop transferblue moon clpsq1 2027?
>>17078464>i am going to have another melty because people are calling the flying car a flying carI’m sorry the flying car doesn’t fly long enough for your abritrary standards, hope you get over it.
>>17078520This guy is a retard if he genuinely thinks russia’s ever becoming relevant in space again. It’s a decaying corpse.Also why does he use “space cadet” so much, does he genuinely think it sounds like an insult?
>>17078531They were too busy chomping on delicious courtesan flesh.
>>17078557It has been and it has worked spectacularly well.
>>17078595if by worked well you mean spending an outrageous amount of money to make it flyable again
>>17078623NTA but both can be true at the same timeGotta remember that Shuttle is effectively a mid-1970s DoD/NASA 'do everything' project
>>17078623The shuttle was not reusable but refurbishable, falcon 9 is reusable.
>>17078588>Prior to 17 December 1903, crewed heavier-than-air aircraft had never stayed airborne for more than 75 seconds, with the vast majority of successful flights lasting under 15 seconds.So we should stop crediting the Wright bros.?
What will the next cope after ship catch be?
>>17078667>its still not fully reusable>it still hasnt been refueled>it still cant carry people>it still hasnt landed on the moon>it still hasnt landed on marspick five
>>17078668the mars thing is one that will be keep going for a while, keep seeing it brought up along with the hyperloop these days (because people can't say roadster or semi or cybertruck anymore or even FSD/robotaxis really)
>>17078668>it still cant carry peopleNo launch escape system so no crewed Earth-LEO missions, sorry pal
why do people move goalposts anyway?
>>17078658>falcon 9 is reusable.Is it? The space shuttle orbiter isn't rebuilt from scratch each time it flies unlike a Falcon 9 2nd stage.
>>17078534"What's the deal with people familiar with the matter?They're not familiar with the matter and they're not people."
>>17078669change it to "the only country that actually matters in spaceflight" and we have a deal
Only 6 more years...
>>17078675it's easier than accepting that they were and continue to be wrong
Cosy
>NOOO STARSHIP IS NOT AN AIRCRAFT!!!!!!>PLUTO IS NOT A PLANET!!!!>Uhm actually the Tesla Roadster is a flying car
>>17078683>be stuck in a glorified tin can for 2 years in pitch darkness just to see a glimpse of the planet that some other lucky bastards will get to land onYou couldn't pay me to ride that
>>17078668Those pesky democrats are making sure Starship never succeeds
>>17078703>2 years in pitch darknessyou are in sunlight the whole trip and have a small porthole
>>17078420I was this close to kms
>>17078709Sunlit what? At least in the ISS you have the Earth to look at. On a Mars transit you're just in the void for 99% of your journey.
>>17078715The claim was pitch darkness and I refuted it, cope
>>17078718Idiot
>>17078703That’s why no one will remember your name
>>17078688Why do you have an emotional investment in this
>>17078721Name the three Apollo 10 astronauts right now without looking it up.
>>17078727johnmichaelmark
nice i got one right
>>17078703>in pitch darknessI would imagine it has electric lights
>>17078733it takes away the full space experience
>>17078672wrong.
>>17078672just lost it to this image for some reasonthe juxtaposition of the claim here and reality combined with that image, lmao
>>17078679>the space shuttle orbiter isn't rebuilt from scratchit damn near is, large parts of the hull are torn apart and put back together>unlike the falcon 9 2nd stagewe were talking about the first stage, you are retarded.
Why didn't Elom go for hypergolic thrusters in the Roodster? Is he a coward?
>>17078669that's some serious vatnik cope lol.US won the race, USSR lost, cry about it.
>still no static fire25 launches in 2025 btw
>>17078688>starship is not an aircraftcorrect, it doesn't fly, it falls, and can only be in powered flight using non-aerodynamic lift.>the tesla roadster is a flying carcorrect, the tesla roadster, which is a flying car, is not an aircraft either, for the same reason. it flies, but not using aerodynamics, thusly, it is not an aircraft.>inb4 b-but helico-helicopters are aircraft because they use lifting surfaces to generate thrust.thank you for your attention to this matter, i hope you recover from your emotional outburst.
>>17078742normies are pathetic and can't handle hypergolic fumes.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/10/22/space-force-spacex-rocket-musk-01131131>The Space Force recently tried to book rides for three future satellite missions, but SpaceX declined to offer its services, according to two people familiar with the missions. No other rocket companies offered to take them either, the people said.Are we going to see Defense Production Act invoked to compel a company to launch a payload?
>>17078761why wouldnt anyone launch them?
>>17078764Maybe they wanted to book a launch years in advance is my charitable interpretation.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/10/spacex-will-attempt-to-reach-weekly-starship-launches-by-early-2027/
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/musks-public-endorsement-spacex-tesla-deal-may-throw-wrench-talks-2026-10-22/
>>17078794I, for one, am shocked that Elon Musk had anything to say about spacex and tesla. Who would have thought?!
Wait, Musk was serious about retiring Falcon 9?
>>17078837The best rocket is no rocket.
>>17078837why would they want to operate two additional inferior vehicles?
>>17078842because they continue to generate revenue?
>>17078842Starship is also inferior in one way, because currently it can only launch payloads through the dispenser, limiting yourself to the size of about 0.8x7.3m
>>17078848>it's inferior because it launches the only thing that makes them significant revenue>>17078846opportunity cost
>>17078848It's not that easy in door-ery.
>>17078850Are you one of those stockfag tourists?
>>17078853Unlike Falcon 9 (and formerly Shittle) worshipers, I would like spaceflight to advance.
>>17078857>I would like spaceflight to advanceThat opportunity perished the moment SpaceX went public. Sooner or later they will turn into yet another Boing.
>>17078861>thing will eventually endkeep me posted
>>17078848spacex doesn't need anything else right now for internal launches
>>17078866How are we supposed to build bases on Moon and Mars if we can't deliver big payloads there?
>>17078874spacex will develop the door, but they don't need it on the short termhence they can wind down F9 and use starship even before a big door
>>17078877>big doorIt's not happening
>>17078761>people familiar with the missionThe 'reading between the lines' being that SpaceX bid Starship.
>>17078846Each Starship launch is worth a month of Falcon 9 launches and will be launching weekly within a year.Operating F9 once Starship is fully active is a net loss.
>>17078878SpaceX already has payload contracts that require a big door.
>>17078761seems like some kind of bullshit launch contract if nobody wanted to take it
>>17078887Name 3
https://x.com/afresearchlab/status/2112650150665400362https://www.afrl.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/4629122/afrl-demonstrates-rocket-cargo-delivery-with-spacex-starfall-reentry-capsule/That Starfall pod on Bandwagon-5 was payload delivery.
>>17078889Lets start with you acknowledging Starlab.
>>17078891>Starlabnot happening
>>17078890Does it mean that precision orbital air strikes are now possible?
>>17078893Always have been.
>>17078885>Starslip will be launching weekly within a year! I just will okay!Current demonstrated frequency -- months and months. Seasons even. Sad really.
>>17078877They need a proper door for 2028 or earlier, unless astronauts are rolling out the mail slot.
>>17078913its a big mail slot
>>17078910EDS schizo
>>170789192 weeks?
>>17078910One per month seems viable if the first double catch goes off without a hitch, but I doubt they'd go straight into that cadence and it would take a while to ramp up to it. I'm also curious about the automatic tile replacement machine thing, optimistic but it smacks of "just roll the shuttle into a hanger and replace the cargo to fly again that day".
>>17078780>Gone are the days of aspirational talk about sending humans to Mars and settling the red planet. Yep. Elon lied and simps bought the grift
>>17078890How would dropping one of these from orbit not signal the location of whatever special forces team you're trying to resupply in hostile territory?
>>17078926If only. I wish he'd yapping with his usual light of consciousness spiel and just put the rockets in the bag
>>17078931>he'd yappinghe'd stop yapping
>>17078917for you
>>17078913Elon has clarified that all future crewed spaceflight will use small, compact, perfectly flat Japenese women for all crewed spaceflight,Glorious Nippon astronauts folded over 1000 times to fit clean through the pez door.
ITS OVERhttps://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/2113340439893856278
>>17078936lmao
>>17078936Sounds about right if it includes returning to LEO.
>>17078936oh fuck off
>>17078936This is ridiculous. Why not just build a Miniship instead of lugging an entire Starship to the Moon?
>>17078935That is the literal plot to Rocket Girls: use tiny schoolgirls as test pilots to minimize weight.
>>17078941Because that would mean developing another vehicle, in the first place HLS ended up being so cheap because they needed a ship for Mars anyways.Starship makes sense for Mars, for Moon not so much.
baste
>>17078936Looks like Eric's 'household name" source of 20 to 40 tankers per Moon flight got it right. Simps who screamed over that btfo once again.
>>17078950kek, musk'd
>>17078951Did Spaceguy5CHADS win?
>>17078950LMAO
who's gonna save the artemis program now?
>>17078955I'd like to see either of the HLS vehicles in any state of construction, all I've seen are a couple Starship renders and the BO lander with the inflatable testes.
>Just now, on the Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel call, member Charlie Precourt said the latest estimate for refuelings needed to support a Starship landing on the Moon is "around 22" launches.twenty two
>>17078957There was news of blue origin’s lander doing TVAC testing back in april or so.
Oh dear.>22 launches, 21 dockings, 21 fuel transfers, 21 separations. 1 mistake and it’s mission over.>Something that works 98% of the time has a 65% of working 21 times in a row
22 and that's with NASA relaxing the return orbital constrant to LLO. The original mission profile must have been in the 30s+
2200 tons of fuel
I, for one, cannot wait for Isaacman's spicy long post about this subject matter.
>>17078961how many time do you faggot have to see spaceX do the "impossible" before you just STFU ?
too bad muskrat, you should have gone for 12m
>-9.14%LOL
>>17078968><Elon can do the impossible! He just can okay!Calm down Simpy.
18m starship fixes the launch quantity issue
>Musk, who often offers hyper-optimistic timeframes, said he expects Starship to reach a “weekly” flight cadence during the first half of 2027 and to launch twice weekly during the second half of the yearWeekly by end of June 2027. Twice weekly by New Years Eve. That's an Elon Promise.
Build a launchloop but instead of a big track it's just a hose pumping fuel up to LEO.
>>17078936Kek, I knew this all along but still shilled for Elon and SpaceX on /sfg/ and said it was more like 5 refills. It's orbital refilling btw, liquid oxygen is not a fuel, hope that helps.
Artemis update tomorrowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAKqJxuxDgk
What can we expect if the democrats take both chambers
Athena > Hestia > Artemis
>>17079002Elon gets raped because he's a dumbass that only pays off one party in a two party system.
>>17078794>we wanted to do it, but then meany meany elon said he wanted it to so now we're contrarian and don't want toam i reading this right?
>>17078848as if that isn't entirely trivial to fix.why do you retards keep pretending the pez dispencer is some final decision, they stopped focusing on the big hinged door because engineering that wasn't their priority at the time, we'll see in due time.
>>17079005No, but we don't expect retards to be able to read.
>>17078878it is, stop coping.
>>17079006due time being 2036 btw
>>17078936>member charlie precourt>another person who has absolutely zero knowledge on the matter, just like that fat nig that attempted to lie about refueling numbers, said some shit.don't care, people who fall for this are retarded.
>>17078973yeah, he can, calm down seethy.
>>17079007yep, which is why we give you pretty pictures to look at instead.
>>17079012wrong.
>>17078936https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2113377866478231647seems like Charlie Precourt doesn't know what he is talking about
>>17079022SpaceX hasn't built or launched a single tanker version, so it's all pretty much educated and uneducated guessing.
>>170790226 or 7
>>17079022too late, its already official
>>17079027Oh Eric you silly little thing, couldn’t help yourself with that title hahah
>>17079027it is not, cope and seethe.
>>17079022too late elon, the cat is our of the proverbial bag
Alright but even 6 whole flights is a big ask
>>17079027>He changed the titlehttps://arstechnica.com/space/2026/10/latest-estimate-for-starship-launches-required-to-support-a-moon-landing-22/laammmeee
>>17079037It was witty, especially with “catch” being applicable. But a real “catch-22,” i.e. the solution is paradoxical to the means? Not really
>>17079022>Simp insisting everyone just believe ElonNo
>>1707903612 half flights
>>17079022Grok, does Charlie Prescourt know what he's doing walking about?> Oh hell yes. https://www.nasa.gov/people/charles-precourt/
>>17079041alright but have you considered the fact that v4 fixes this?
>>17079041the chief engineer of the actual rocket vs random ex-astronaut that worked for a competitor
we need a new superfuel. methane 5.
>>17079043We keep telling you Elon is not a rocket engineer, chief or otherwise, but then you cry and scream
>>17079046you keep living in that delusion despite everything
>>17079044Fluorine-Beryllium-LH2 tripropellant (I am not responsible for the sheer devastation that can and will occur if you so much as look at it wrong)
>>17079048Elon Musk. BA Econ. Lol!
>>17079046>I don't see any hardware for a Falcon 9 Heavy, except that he's going to take three Falcon 9s and put them together and that becomes the Heavy. It's not that easy in rocketry.
>>17079050a piece of paper isn't going to make engineering decisions for you
well that was a neat launch
>>17078936Berger is destroying his credibility and for what?
>>17079059>Berger is destroying HIS credibility!Odd take, but you do you. Eventually, there will be a demonstrated number, if Izzy doesn't just let Elon walk away with the money without actually launching, like NASA did with Boeing Spoiler: Not 6 but 22+
>new PHP vulnerability>Berger starts trashing Elon for no reasonIt's Clear that Ars has been hacked and it's now spreading misinformation to hurt SpaceX stock price.
Most astronauts are actual meathead retards, just listen to Terry Virts podcast, or Reisman
>>17079071Grok?>High Cognitive Function: Historical data from the Apollo era showed average IQ scores around 132.
>>17079071you're saying i have a chance?
>>17079066The irony of saying this on an anon shadow puppet forum where you can pretend you never claimed it will take 22+ flights.
>>17079068>for no reasonHe has been shilling for SpaceX's competitors trying to convince people that SpaceX is walking away from commercial launch.
>>17079046he's literally the chief engineer, you are denying reality at this point
I knew you couldn't resist to reply
>>17079081All the links and captures are right here. Just save the thread. Then look at it next June, Dec and 2028.Spoiler: Izzy cancels the DerpX HLS contract so his pal Elon can walk away with the money without performing
>>17079083>He gave himself an inflated unearned job title!Yes. Elon is that sort
Triple catch.
>>17079087EDS boomer
Quadruple catch.
Reuse?What about reduce and recycle?
Septuple catch.
Octuple catch.
>>17079086And nothing to hold you to the fact that you claimed it.
>HOLD HOLD HOLDhttps://x.com/SpaceX/status/2113400239017378069A "routine" Starlink mission was just called off for unknown reasons.This marks the beginning of the end for SpaceX.
>>17079114aliens?
>>17079115Improperly-located launch-frog
>>17078559Ill belive it when I see it for Blue Origin
Expendable stock price
>>17079041>didn't actually ask grok, continues to seethe that nobody takes this random source who has nothing to do with the starship program seriously.
>>17079127Astra 2¢TO
>>17079046elon is an actual rocket engineer and this makes you scream with anger.
>>17079087>greentexthe didn't, he is an engineer and is qualified to be called that, this makes you seethe.
>>17079129>Random source!!!Grok?>A member of NASA’s Aerospace Safety Advisory Panel
>>17079133i don't care who he is, he and (you) are both wrong.
>>17078982why is starship delayed into november?
>>17079138November is in 10 days anon
Nintuple catch. I can do this all day.
>>17079145sextuple catch
>>17079147i wud sex tower-chan in her anal
>>17079148Beats fucking a wire-catch system
>>17078848Fairings with reusable starship
>>17079022I'm willing to believe that 22 is just the most conservative possible estimate since that's what ASAP does, but how the fuck are 6-8 flight possibly supposed to be enough? You'd need 200 t payload or something like that and even Vn+1 is still trying to get to 100 t right now.>>17079159Even if you can put the flaps that far back this probably changes aerodynamics too much, but imagine
>>17079160I imagined the fairings falling away and being picked up just like with falcon 9. So it wouldn't need flaps.
>>17079160It is probably a mistake to assume Starship HLS needs to be fully topped off when it isn't carrying payload to the Moon and no longer needs to go to NRHO and potentially wait months for Orion.
>>17079133AKA someone who doesn’t know the ins and outs of starship, just like that negro woman who worked at nasa that also claimed to know the number of refuels.Both are wrong, now stop coping.
>>17079160Considering it's Elon giving numbers, it's safe to assume the real number is going to be between 8 and 22
Even if it is 22 launches why should that matter? They can launch falcon 9 150+ times in a year.
>>17079168falcon 9 is dead, bub
>>17079169>bubKys faggotMy point is they have experience launching plenty of times that getting starship to launch as many times at falcon shouldn't be much of a stretch. As in if it can fly 8 times it should be able to fly 22 with quick turn around.This is assuming the tanker launches are after starship starlink launches become regular.
>>17079168They are still stuck in the oldspace mentality. They cannot comprehend multiple launches in a day even though this is already occuring and SpaceX is rapidly scaling to doing so routinely and further scaling to multiple launches per hour. This information conflicts with pre existing information from the old space era however. They are the same people who could not envision Falcon scaling to what it did.
>>17078744you're both jews and take your D&C play to /pol/
ohshitwe'reback SPEHS
@gronk what are the odds of 22 consecutive Starship flights going without a hitch?
Elon suck my cock fuck
>>17079172Starship doesn't have radiators, therefore it is a fake pipedream meme rocket
>>17078926you are a subhuman retard if you think this was the plan all alongwhen Elon started with his Mars thing LLMs were still nearly two decades awayin order for your account to be true, he would have needed to predict a future 25 years away that no one else didhe can't merely be a liarunder your account he's literally super humananyway, stop being a fucking retard
>>17079002>>17079004a lot of vetos, you fucking tards
>Amid Starlink crisis, Finnish tech giants announce plan to help Ukraine build its own sovereign satellite system
>let's give all of our military launch services contracts to a single corporation, what could possibly go wrong?
>>17079245with the power of hopes and dreams? (the finns don't have those either, btw)
>>17079246starship has already start deploying starlinks this is just EDS
>>17079168it isn't 22 launches, so it's pointless to talk about.
>>17079247They build (and run) a number of earth observations sats.
>>17079188D&C is what the vatnik apologists are doing though, i want everyone to come together instead.>y-you're a jewi am not, in a choice between democratic country and dictatorial shithole one should simply always pick the democratic country, AKA not russia. dictatorships are a blight on this world and do not deserve to exist.regarding actual spessflight though, what kind of payload mass do you think starship will be able to safely return from orbit? one could launch a starship with no payload so that you have more fuel on the way down, wonder how that would play out, would there be a structural limit or a delta-v limit first?
>>17079246to be fair, other companies should have been there to pick up the slack by now, this is more a demonstration of the incompetence of relativity, blue origin, rocketlab and even ULA more than anything else.
>>17079246>save us ULA!
>>17079254it just goes to show how sick the industry is. there's only one healthy player. the rest are all dead, dying, or dead with one wrong step.
>>17079253Starship keeps blowing up when splashing down because the header tank propellant lines end up rupturing when the ship hits the water sideways. The mass of the payload on the upper dome and other load bearing elements in that part of he vehicle might exacerbate this particular structural weakness during the flip maneuver when returning to Earth with a large payload. This is, however, purely speculative, but I hope the engineers have looked into it.
>>17079254>create a de-facto state sponsored monopoly with ULA>replace ULA with SpaceX >wonder why no small/medium launch companies exist after you handed the market to the monopolist twice, for several decades
>>17079252Oh, yeah. A country that launched less than 100 microsats by *paying SpaceX* to do it is in a great position to compete with SpaceX.Everything checks out!
>>17079257that's what i was thinking, there's gotta be some point where the extra mass at the top of the vehicle buckles something during the flip maneuver, whether or not starship would even be able to deorbit something that heavy and still have enough fuel to land i don't know.
>>17079258ULA still exist retard
>>17079258Both ULA and SpaceX reeceived contracts. The fact that no other companies could do the missions is because of a lack of rockets not a lack of contracts.
>>17079259It will be European project. SPaceX showed itself to be unreliable, so tehy will have to be replaced.
>>17079263Sure.Any current 'observations' on Vulcan?
>>17079268that is not SpaceXs problemyou want to hamstring spacex because they are too good? other companies are still launching shit and probably actually not that much less than they were launching previously, its just that they suckspacex created this new cadence capability and now its a problem that they are actually launching payloads? lol
>>17079264And why are ther no rockets? maybe because F9 took ove the market?
>Precourt said. “We need to keep our eyes on numerous required fuelings for the lander. I think the last estimate is around 22 flights.”and yet this "guesstimate" based on a fart during lunchtime will keep getting parroted as fact by retards everywhere
>>17079271>why are there no rocketsAsk BO, Firefly, Relativity, Stoke, and Rocket Lab
There's no money in being a launch provider, so you can expect a lot of interesting missions to go on a big NG fairing while spacex continues launching garbage into space.
>In September, a Chinese rocket took off from a remote spaceport in the Gobi Desert, released 10 satellites into orbit, then reignited its engine and put itself on a trajectory to rain down debris over the American Midwestamerican villages....
are we really supposed to expect a flurry of negative press every 2 years because there is an election?
>>17079285>Are we really supposed toIt's been this way for the last seven elections at least, and probably longer, because I'm just counting the time after politics broadly moved to the internet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPgyfCRg5A
>>17078945>NUTyes indeed, especially when spraying on their skin-tight spacesuitsThis was Japan's most accurate space anime even considering Planetes.
Elon's boy Vivek isn't looking so good
>>17079275Didn't the NSA or some other three letter agencies pay ULA billions to keep launch capability available?
>>17079306lol, he isn't elons boy
>>17079175>They cannot comprehend multiple launches in a dayStarshit isn't even flying once a month lil bro, so I guess ScrubX can't either.
>>17079270No, I want more sapce launches. SpaceX has shown to be less than reliable, slower than expected, and now wants to cancels their most reliable launcher.We need more and beter competition, and I realize that this is a tall order in a space launch market that was a monopoly for decades, followed by a sorta-kinda duopoly.Even BO failed to get ready in time.
>>17079290>come down now
>>17079313why wouldn't this work
>>17079285It would help if they had a less moronic electoral system. Having elections every 2 years just guarantees that the main focus is campaigning and fundraising, and not legislation.
>>17079271F9 dominating the market because it is just that much of a better product is not a monopoly my underaged friend.
>>17079285This your first election cycle?
>>17079314the sea rescue step seems pretty dubious. not sure if expanding foam technology is there yet either.
Anyone tried this?https://starshipspaceprogram.com/
>>17079259fewer
>have to launch and catch booster + ship dozens of times every day>if one stack blows up on the pad or crashes into the tower on landing the program gets haltedElon "the best part is no part" Musk
>>17079334Then just don't explode, duh.
>>17079311>less than reliablewrong>slower than expectedwrong
>>17079334>the best part is no partyes, in ideal circumstances, you want the least parts that you can (realistically) get away with for any given task.it just so happens that colonizing mars has a large minimum requirement of moving parts no matter how efficient you make things.
>>17079149>not wanting to see your rocket weifu suspended in bondage
>>17079334The best part is no part.
>if one stack blows up on the pad or crashes into the landing ship landing the program gets haltedEDS retards and their magic logic that only applies to Starship and not Falcon but only in an election year
>>17078683Who the actual fuck thought this was a good idea?
>>17079338Randomly throttlign services bought by variosu EU customers is generally considered 'not reliable'And Starship was supposed to land on teh moon by 2024. It has done one orbital test flight by now (2026), and maybe we will see refueling in 2027.This is arguably years late, and almost a decade if we go by Elon's first promises.
>>17079354silence, subhumanthey're more reliable than any other launch servicethey're faster than the entire rest of the world
I don't post much anymore since the captcha but gon post some shit today. let me start with this wind tunnel image
>>17079347But it does apply to Falcon and it did explode on pad which halted launches for a long time. The difference is that there are way more things to go wrong with starship and things going wrong would be way more devastating.
Remember when we were waiting for jwst launch bros?
What do we make of wind powered ships?
>>17079369What if you made ships out of something sustainable like wood?
>>17079370Basically natural carbon fiber
>>17079369wind powered anything is gay and retarded
>>17079369The future is cold gas thrusters
>>17079381solar powered shipsmade out of grass (bamboo)
UDMH-powered sailboats
>no /sfg/ chuds are watching the Artemis Acceleration update/sfg/ is DEADhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAKqJxuxDgk
>>17079392Are they showing off the HLS vehicles?That's all I care about, if they're just talking about future plans then who cares, those plans will keep changing forever until something actually happens.
>>17079392This whole presentation feels kinda false.
>>17079392if there is anything interesting, it will be reported by berger et alive listened to a bunch of these and usually its pretty boring
>>17079392what are they accelerating into, can you explain it for me?
>>17079403>what are they accelerating intoNot space, certainly.
>>17078404>>17079267The project will be unviable if forced to obit use the scarce and effective shitriane flights. Every constellation project is doomed to fail without SpaceX
oh shiet we got footage of Cabin 1https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/2113706877230219493
HLS IS REAL
>this is what we call a shortstack configurationH-HOT!someone draw a gobbo version of SLS.
>>17079412
Which drugs would be used to neutralize unruly crew members
looks like they're adding a kickstage to get orion into LLO
>>17079411>>17079412>>17079415watch the goalposts start moving in 3... 2... 1...
Artemis IV CONOPS
>>17079425same for blue
>>17079425>artemis iv will have a propellant depotshelby aint gonna like this one bit
>>17079425At least they're finally realistic about the capabilities of the orange turd.
>>17079416https://x.com/RSA_Observer/status/2113578319023083695
>>17079426blue's plan looks high risk and dangerous
>both landers will have abort capabilitywill they doe?
>>17079431You're saying that a nation of pigfarmers humiliated the SpaceX and US government cyber safety systems?
>>17079411Neat, that's what I'm actually interested in, as specified >>17079393here
>22 refueling flights is a worst-case scenario depending on how efficient the fuel transfer is>6-8 is a more realistic numbergood news?
>>17079425>Not seen in this view: The 40 tanker launches to completly fuel Starship We ran out of room
>>17079436seems more like spacex didn't bother to stop them until nowdoesn't change the fact that ukraine has been using starlink for military purposes by modifying the dishes against the TOS
lmao they sided with Elon
>>17079423>every ukranian i've talked toEvery Ukrainian who disagreed has already fled the country and are no longer Ukrainian, genius
>>17079441they just confirmed that it depends on how efficient the fuel transfer is and the rate of boil-off.we'll find out after they do the prop transfer demo
>>17079428still blows my mind that it took this long to break through the pork fat and finally put that piece of shit in it's place in favor of actually innovative designs.truly, the shuttle lineage has done irreversible damage to progress in space.
>>17079444no lol, most of the refugees will likely return once the war is over. i've talked to lots of refugees who have zero intent on staying around, most of them women and children.crazy retarded argument lol.
>>17079447>most of the refugees will likely return once the war is over.
>>17079439>>17079443its too late, the damage is already done. the plebs wont hear anything about this. all they'll know is its 22 launches. and thats final.
>>17079449look, i know you're off in looney world where everything's demoralized and nobody believes in anything, but i've met many of them who have little interest in settling down here, most were forced to leave because their home was bombed and occupied, not because they hated living in ukraine. it's not some third world refugee coming in from mali or some other african shithole anon.as it turns out an attempted genocide on your country tends to galvanize people despite bad economic circumstances, if ukraine didn't have a national unity before this war they sure as hell do now, imagine if the US had 15% of it's territory occupied and us forces found giant mass graves with every demographic buried together every time they recovered land from the enemy? think about what that does to the average citizen of a country.
>>17079452tl;dr
>>17079453ukranians love their country and want to come back to it.getting back on topic, i really hope the suits for artemis work out this time, rockets and flight hardware is all well and good, but successors to the EMU have been in limbo for years, i really hope they put the hammer down this time otherwise 2028 is a pipe dream.
WHICH ONE OF YOU WAS THIS>Blue Origin adopts the 4ASS Yeet Train architecture for Artemis 4MY FUCKING SIDES
hooooly shit what the hell are we looking at
>>17079458that's a man
>>17079425Are they doing rendezvous in HEO simply because it would be obviously pathetic to do it in LEO?
22 refuel EDSers BTFO'd
>>17079460It's actually because SLS dumps Orion+Centaur in some horrific elliptical orbit with a 16km perigee so it makes more sense to circularize up than down.
>>17079465did she get a boyfriend yet?
Bro I didn't need to see that shit again.
I'm just going to read a grok summary of this afterwards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7ioFzmV91s
>>17079464oh man i forgot it did thatgod i fucking HATE THE SHUTTLE LINEAGE I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE IT I HATE ITlove the way the shuttle looked thobut I FUCKING AAAAAAH WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE LIKE THIS!
NsfArtemis III slide. 14 day mission.Blue Moon launches first. SLS as ready as possible at that time. SLS/Orion launches. Orion docks to Blue Moon Lander, Flight Day 3.Undocks on Flight 6. Starship launches.Orion docks to Starship on Flight Day 8. Two hours, no entry into Starship. Undocks. End of mission: Reentry. Splashdown.Starship HLS is just a fat Agena
>>17079465what the fuck is that thing?
>>17079467this thing has been under construction forever
>lauren grushhitpiece writer asking hitpiece questions as always, embarrassing.
yin yang
>>17079463There wasn't enough room to show the dozens of tanker flights, you sad simp.
>>170794763 new minihards
>>17079457Our reach knows no bounds
>>17079476TPD (Total Plover Death) is well underway.TBD (Total Beetle Death) is behind schedule and needs to be accelerated.
>>17079464>>17079471So why aren't they doing a SLS stack with no upper stage like in Artemis III for IV?
>>17079477no, my retarded fren, they directly answered a question asking about the nasa rando's claims that it was 22, they said no.
>>17079476why is there a moat around that thing anyway
>>17079483to prevent engine rat infestations.
>>17079483To repel advancing armies, duh.
>>17079412Trying to squeeze one of Izzy's nuclear reactors thru that itty bit door. Such fun.
>>17079481>So why aren't they doing a SLS stack with no upper stage like in Artemis III for IV?Because that orbit is a limitation of the Core Stage disposal procedure and not a weight limit based on what's on top of it. Orion *does* have to circularize down with the ESM for Artemis 3.
>>17079457Hey, if it works, it works.
>>17079488weird but I get it. Still though, this fucking rocket is so ass
>>17079491If it didn't cost a brazilian dollars I'd hate it a lot less.
>>17079492no, if it cost one brazillian dollar i'd love it, cheap AF keep em' coming.
>>17079493brazillians use dollars?????!!!!!
>>17079491i still shudder to think where we would be now without the newspace revolution."the next 100 years of spaceflight"
>>17079449White adjanced refugees do start to return. Compared to bulb-head somalis at least.
>>17079483At some point in history the rived did a detour through it.
>>17079483cartel tunnelers, starbase mexico soon
>>17079501>>17079502By treaty the international boundary is the 'natural' course of the river so its possible the boundary could change back there. It's already happened before elsewhere.
>SpaceX in Talks to Access 80,000 Cell Sites for Wireless Network - BloombergMore than half of all towers in the country
>>17079425HLS docking to Orion looks so fucking retarded hahahhah
>muh 22KNOW THE FACTSUNDERSTAND THE TRUTH
>>17079508
>>17079508does someone have the drawing of starship-oneesan hugging the orion shota?
>>17079423ZOG controls both Ukraine and Russia and instigated the war to destroy both countries
>>17079369might make shipping cheaper than a Falcon 9 launch again
So for Artemis3... Blue is delivering a working test lander with life support and full ingress... and Shartshit is delivering uh... metal can with passive docking adapter welded on? Why is spacex so far behind?
>>17079513nah, ukraine made every attempt to avoid a war, they were so dumbfounded at the retardation of russia's decision that they weren't even mobilising their army until after russia actually invaded, despite them gathering on the border in advance.zelensky was also the soft on russia candidate in ukraine, people often forget this.literally all russia had to do was not start a genocidal war for no reason, they had nothing to gain and everything to lose, they were not under threat, nobody was planning to use ukraine as a staging point to invade russia.russia started the war and is wholly responsible for it's persistence.
>>17079464>16km perigee>circularize or die
>>17079369what is there to make of? centuries old tech
>>17079425makes you wonder how they manage to do it back in the '60
>>17079517Will Ukraine employ interstellar generational-ship human Zootechnics in order to replenish the demographic loss?
>>17079517Well you see the largest country in the world needed more territory for its own security.
>>17079532>Slavs stronkSays the self-aggrandizing slavs attempting to perpetuate a victimhood complex of their own.
>>17079526most of the refugees will likely return which should help the situation somewhat, though it'd still be pretty bad.really depends on how much economic help ukraine gets after the war, either they stagnate or get an economic boom, if they get an economic boom it's likely they'll get a population boom as well.
>>17079532nu/pol/nigger go back to your containment board with these retarded schizo theories.
Mars.
https://youtu.be/zEMUFQCz-isguys i found a funny nasa YTP.
>>17079542>a region where we sharted into a cheesegrater
>>17079544crucial method to colonize the martian soil with earth bacteria and other single-celled life.
>>17079308Elon seemed to think so during vek's christmas crashout a couple years ago. Did they have a falling out?
so the astronauts will in fact go through the pez dispenser door it seems (or a slightly modified one)
>Isaacman said he has huge confidence in Blue Origin especially,.“They’re exceeding everyone’s expectations,” he said. “They are so far proving a lot of people wrong in terms of how fast they are recovering their pad. It’s impressive.”Thank you Blue.
>>17079568Those are windows.
>>17079568>>17079573
Falcon outdatedStarship overratedLong have we waitedBlue Moon activated
>>17079577>falcon outdatedwrong, but it's getting replaced either way>starship overratedwrong, it's a revolutionary vehicle>blue moon activatedlet's hope it doesn't blow up on another operational flight.
>>17079577But I, that am not shap'd for sportive tricksNor made to court an amourous looking-glassI, that am rudely stamp'd, and want love's majestyTo strut before a wanton, ambling nymphI, that am curtailed of this fair proportionCheated of feature by dissembling natureDeform'd, unfinished, sent before my timeInto this breathing world, scarce half made upAnd that so lamely and unfashionableThat dogs bark at me as I halt by them
>>17079576
>Three days after Blue Moon launches, Orion will attempt to dock with the spacecraft, after which there will be two days of testing its guidance, navigation and communications systems.On day six, SpaceX’s Starship will launch, and Orion will detach from Blue Moon, adjust its orbit and attempt a second docking with Starship. The Artemis III crew will not enter Starship during the operation, however, and the test will last just two hours.Blue: real spacecraftSpacex: fauxcraft
>>17079425>propellant transfer to depot>(multiple)lel
>>17079517>they were so dumbfounded at the retardation of russia's decisionEveryone was. And still is. What Russia does is completely fucking retarded.
>>17079524They reduced the safety margin.
one cubic terawatt of computelet that sink in
>>17079600where is that fromor is it sloppa?
>>17079601its a chinese CG artist
A key question surrounding SpaceX’s architecture is the number of refuelings required to top off a Starship for a lunar mission. On Thursday a NASA Safety Panel reported that the current number of tanker launches is “about 22.” SpaceX founder Elon Musk said that estimate was wrong, and that the actual number will be six to eight.During a question-and-answer session on Friday afternoon, NASA officials declined to put a precise number on the refueling launches required. A lot of uncertainty remains in the lift capacity of Starship, as well as in how much cryogenic methane and liquid oxygen will boil off in orbit and how efficient the process of transferring propellants from one ship to another will be.However, NASA Administrator Jared Isaacman said this of the estimate of 6 to 8 launches proffered by Musk: it was possible, but represented the “ultimate potential end state” of Starship.So the number is 22+ but Izzy is trying to got a call from Musky begging to save face. Sad.
>>1707960522 is the number to fully refuel which is not needed for artemis >>17079509
22 EXPENDABLE refueling launches is still less than half the cost of a single SLS launch. Let that sink in.
>just jump down bro
>>17079615>What is an elevator
>>17079615>sure bro watch this
>>17079617out of service
>>17079620It has manual reversion and can also be run with a cordless drill.
AI must be made illegal in space. its the only way to ensure that if the earth falls to robots, then humanity still has a fighting chance.
>>17079628There's literally nothing that's stopping them from following people into space. If they don't care about human well-being or rule, they don't care about human edifices like law.
>>17079629all thinking machines that leave earth must be destroyed, and all humans using it or bringing it must be put to death
Grok?>The SpaceX graphic has two "refuel HLS" events, one in LEO (item 4) and one in a higher orbit (item 6) with "multiple" tanker launches associated with each one. So two depots, one that has to be kicked into a higher orbit and some involved tanker gymnastics?>I guess. None of us at X take this seriously. We just smoke weed all day like the boss.
>>17079465xhe is more insightful than all the basedlennial men in NSF
>>17079425fuck the rocket equation man, I hate it
>>17079497>picrelI vomited a little, thanks
>>17079638Pretty sure it's only one depot. It's just that it'll be filled up twice.The first filling is for HLS to boost itself into a higher orbit (FTO). The second filling is for the depot itself to climb up to FTO and filling HLS again so it can push Orion to the Moon.
>>17079497>where we would be now without the newspace revolution.eternally sending multi-billion-dollar rovers to mars every 10-15 years on the Atlas (n+1) rocket, on trajectories involving one gorillion gravity assists, while patting ourselves on the back over how much 'progress' we are making in spaceflight.
>>17079538Dumb nigger the core of workers male 18-30 had been cut in half, are you going to rebuild the country with women and the elderly?
a donut?
>>17079661thats ALOT of milled aluminum. must've been very expensive.
>>17079661>>17079663Mass autism and single-digit production runs can lead to some truly heinous engineering decisions.
>>17079411I don't get it, what is that?
>>17079631>I'm 14 and I just read Dune
>>17079661The Moon is The Eighth Continent https://www.blueorigin.com/blue-moon
grokfag answer this man >>17079703
>>17079661I know a warp drive when I see one
>>17079663It's reusable right? Or are they going to leave it on the lunar surface?
everyone is excited for artemis 4 landing on the moon, but I'm excited for that LEO fuel depot. next up? a giant space station made of multiple fuel depots.
>91% of AI employees believe that AI will have a Nobel Prize worthy discovery by 2030yeah I'm thinking FTL
>>17079741FTL tops my wishlist, but I have very low expectations it will be any more exciting than recent prizes like the 2026 chemistry prize “for the discovery of non-linear effects and autocatalysis in asymmetric organic synthesis.”
>>17079742all the labs are going into biology, cancer and disease and aging are next up before anyone starts seriously tackling new physics
>>17079744I think you're right about that. There's already a startup that's aiming to delete genetic issues like hip dysplasia out of military working dogs and clone them into litters of puppies that they train and sell to the army. Then they plan to start making superior dogs by incorporating things like a wolf's sense of smell and other enhancements.
https://www.nasa.gov/what-is-super-intelligence/It's official
>>17079751grim
>>17079751
>>17079753>At NASA, use of super intelligence has a role in our missions, exploration of the Moon and Mars, weather, mission planning, and more.
https://www.nist.gov/super-intelligence
>>17079744I hope AI figures out holw to get rid of sleep.
>>17079756you heard of 9 to 5? now you're going to get midnight to 6pm.
>>17079751>>17079755It must suck having to edit everything cuase some senile old man thought it was a good idea to change the name of something, especially as everyone will just keep using the old name.
>>17079758>TDS
>>17079753we're really speed running skynet aren't we ?
>>17079660no, it hasn't lol.
>>17079756I like sleeping. I hate shitting and pissing. Let it solve that instead.
>>17079759>i-if you don't use my pronouns you have TDS!sorry for deadnaming you, i'm afraid i'm going to keep using Artificial Intelligence and not your pronouns.
>>17079573>>17079568white astronauts will go through the doorblack astronauts will break in through the windows
>>17079661"So first I assumed toroidal astronauts in a perfect vacuum..."
>>17079615I did the math and falling from 40m under the moon's gravity is equivalent to falling from 10m here on Earthso you can't jump
>>17079780did you really?gravitational potential energy is just mgh, so E = mgh and for a fixed mass and energy h is inversely proportional to gso with 6 times higher gravity, the height should be one sixth, not one fourth
>>17079765Look!Look with your dumb cow eyes.It's over
>>17079758Your seeth is duly noted.
is this really the spaceflight thread? We had four (4) launches yesterday, and nobody said anything?
>>17079739Senator Richard Shelby Memorial Fuel Depot
>>17079833its more like space near-futurology
>>17079833this is the /sucking felon general/
2 more weeks until ship catch
>>17079846Closer to π weeks actually
>>17079638>>17079425It you listen to what was actually said during the update that is the window where they can refuel, not that they are doing multiple refuelings.>And this graphic here, we showed the full concept of operations for an accelerated lunar landing mission. Then I'm going to walk you through here briefly. The Starship propellant aggregation still takes place in low earth orbit before the crew launch in Orion and SLS, allowing for additional refueling and flexibility in crew launch timing. This accelerated approach has the Starship lander docking with Orion and what is now a high earth orbit, before performing the translunar injection burn, or what we call kind of a push of Orion to low lunar orbit. So that is instead of meeting up around the moon, we're going to actually use the starship to push us out there. Our teams found that if we modified Orion to be able to be pushed, we could drastically simplify the number of launches and really improve the probability of success of the mission.
>>17079508>>17079511
apparently the final tower segment for BOs launchtower is stacked
>>17079862SpaceX is finished now!
>>17079863its truly over
>>17079465That's a man.
