The /soc/ threads were a mistake. No one every posts anything worthwhile that couldn't be posted in the /adv/ threads.

>>34298363
Which is what was said the first time these threads were posted. Whole thing has just been a massive larp fest ever since.

is a man in his late thirties with zero dating experience off putting? i'm a bit torn on how honest, or upfront, i should be about it.

Can any foids elaborate on what subconscious features a moid would have to be presenting to be openly mocked for being a "lost puppy" by someone who has never interacted/spoken to them

Does it mean anything if a girl talks to you about her period?

She hit me up out of the blue talking about cramps and I don’t know how to respond

Women, when was the last time you enjoyed being humiliated?

>>34298363
I don't know, it seems a bit calmer here than there
>>34298371
Any man with zero dating experience is off putting. The reason for this is that usually you have an idea of dating that is nothing like reality. Then when your first gf shatters the illusion by being an actual person and not like the whimsical doll in your fantasies, nothing she says or does is right anymore, and then she becomes trapped in a situation where he clearly expects you to only show the emotions TV or anime told him you were supposed to show. No woman likes to be in this position, so yes it is a red flag generally.
>>34298411
She cares about you and sees you as someone very close to her who she can tell anything. Periods are very painful. If she's reaching out to you, it means while she's in pain her mind reaches to you for comfort.

>>34298528
If a guy is in his 30s and has no dating experience, he'll likely take whatever he can get
Of course, that will also be unattractive to most women.

Do tight pants feel comfortable to wear for women? Shit on men because dick and balls.

>>34298553
Yes, that is correct and true as well. I'm not good at explaining that, but someone being desperate for anyone isnt a good thing at all. It won't feel like he actually cares about you. It just comes off like he wants anyone at all, and he guesses you'll do, then. Dehumanizing. Like being picked last for a team. Begrudging. Not because he was so taken with you, or any kind of positive reason. Which in todays society, if you dont HAVE to date anyone, why would you choose someone who only wants you because they couldnt get anyone else? Of course, you'd just be alone over that. Much comfier and safer.
>>34298563
Yes, can lead to infections too. Vagina needs breathing space.

>>34298569
So to have a chance, a man has to be:
>tall (minimum 5'10", ideally 6'0"+)
>in shape (not fat or scrawny)
>financially independent, if not wealthy
>confident, but not boastful or arrogant
>experienced, but not hung up on an ex or a manwhore
>well dressed and groomed, but not preening or overly concerned with his appearance
>outgoing, worldly, and interested in all the things she's interested
Meanwhile, a woman just has to be:
>not fat
>not insane
>not a bitch
>that's literally it

>>34298371
First, why don't you have any experience? Second, and to answer your question, yes, for the same reason a man who has many hoes is counter-intuitively *not* off putting. Comes down to a little phenomenon called preselection, it's the same reason women are obsessed with Labubu and Stanley drinkware; women want what other women want.

>>34298411
It means she sees you as an emotional tampon, pun intended. In all seriousness, it means you're someone who she feels she can confide in, and also doesn't see you as a sexual entity, and very possibly thinks you're gay. This is fine, and actually kind of a good thing if you're content being nothing more than a friend, but if you had any aspirations of getting pussy from this menstruating minx, I'd make peace with the fact it's not gonna happen.

>>34298609
That is correct, although it's worth acknowledging an attractive man can get away with being boastful, arrogant, a manwhore, and overly concerned with his appearance. Also, an attractive man doesn't have to be interested in the things a woman is interested in, and in fact a woman will often adopt the interests and values of a man she sufficiently respects and admires; case in point, I literally fucked religion *and* good taste in music into the girl I'm with now.

So my question to you, knowing all of this is... is what is the (very obvious) lesson here?

>>34298609
>not fat
>not insane
>not a bitch

I'm all 3 and I still get interest from men as well as some other undesirable traits.

>>34298609
No. To have a chance, you have to be someone thats enjoyable to be around and feels safe, understanding, warm, down to earth, and full of love and hope. Encouraging and kind typically happy type. No one wants a rain cloud, they can be miserable just fine by themselves.

>>34298623
Maybe in your head that's true. In reality, that's not how it works.
>>34298622
I'm talking about a long-term relationship.

>>34298630
I'm sorry your reality is different. I cannot speak for all of humanity, I can only speak for what I like as well as the other women in my life. We are nerds, so of course our expectations wont be the same as other types of women. If you were to ask me if that list of things were required of course I would say no. but there are people who care about those things. I kind of feel like if you are chasing people who want those things though....isnt that kind of... I dont know. I just cant imagine not liking birds who fly, and then actively chasing only birds who fly as the birds who only walk proceed to waddle right past me.

>>34298642
They're all like that. Nerdy girls often have higher standards. Again, you might think you don't, but in reality you do.

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>>34298371
>is a man in his late thirties with zero dating experience off putting?
It depends on the reason, but if you're self-conscious, just say you haven't dated since your early 20's. Make up some excuses like work or life issues and say you're rusty.

>>34298480
>Women, when was the last time you enjoyed being humiliated?
Like a week ago.

>>34298563
>Do tight pants feel comfortable to wear for women?
Yes, they're like a hug.

>>34298653
Fuck off.

>>34298630
>long-term relationships
That's all i've ever been in btw

>>34298651
I don't really believe any category of human is all the same. Its a depressing dismissive way to think. Self victimizing as well. I can't stop you from believing that though. I have said elsewhere, but my last ex was 5'1 and fat with no job yet. He was very kind in the beginning though, which is what won me over. Kind with shared hobbies, I loved spending time doing what I loved with someone who loved doing that too. Unfortunately his insecurities lead to us splitting, but had it not been for that, I wouldn't have ever thought of leaving. Just be a good kind person to spend life with. I don't think that's a high expectation. and I just think blaming things on "everyone is like this, everyone is like that" is just a really big waste of your own time. I don't know how it benefits anyone. But to each their own.

How come women find me low value and not worth their time?

>>34298666
The thing is, I meet most of the things in my list and I'm generally kind to people in real life. But none of it matters. I'm 31 and I've never had a gf, despite going on quite a few dates and asking out plenty of women.

>>34298623
>down to earth
I've come to the conclusion this doesn't actually mean anything. Anyway, I agree with your general point, and will add you can also (and actually, should) be a exciting, enganging, unpredictable, and even a little dangerous. In any case, Anon should definitely be doing something with his energy more productive than bemoaning how unfair life is.

>>34298622
I think it was fairly implicit that Anon meant to have a chance at men being interested in you as a person, as LTR, or even wife material. But yeah, if your only aspiration is to be the melanated contingent's slampig du jour, then yes, the bar is in fact lower.

>>34298642
This. I think it behooves us to be honest with ourselves, and if all a man wants is the absolute best trophy wife he can get... then for the life of me I cannot understand how he can turn around and bemoan how shallow women supposedly are. If you want a smokeshow super model, then go get visible abs, and find a way to earn six figures. What are we even talking about at that point?

>>34298653
>Like a week ago
...Nice.

>>34298668
I don't know, you havent said much about yourself
>>34298671
Because it's not actually about those things. You respond pretty aggressively as well, and are very quick to judge. Talking to you even a little bit like this, I get the feeling that you often make women feel uncomfortable feeling. Talking to you brings a feeling of dread. It may not be instantly, but somewhere along the line before you get as close as you want to, you accidentally show how you're really feeling, and then they rightfully back off. That is not a situation they want to be in, with you.

I don't know you, so I can't say this for sure, but it seems like you have a resentment toward women. If you had a daughter, would you want her with a resentful man? No, you would worry he'd hurt her. Likewise, she is worried you'll hurt her. None of us want to end up on the news, so the first sign of a man who secretly hates women is immediately when we run. Better safe, than sorry! Unfortunately, I think this is a problem for you. Until you can shake all that anger in yourself, you are not a person a woman will feel safe around and want to stay with.
>>34298679
Down to earth to me just means...he knows you're human too. That's all. You both have good and bad days, and you both pick each other up and encourage each other to keep trying, and approach everything with love, patience, and understanding. Not something like..there's a bad day, and he just gets mad and everything spirals worse.

>>34298653
>Like a week ago.
That sounds interesting, how did it go down?

>>34298684
You're not wrong, but that is a relatively recent development. When I was dating, I didn't feel this way about women. But after years of trying and getting nowhere, I got frustrated, stopped even trying to date, and started hating women, because I honestly think they feel the same way about men.

>>34298690
How/Where are you dating women? Why are you dating exactly? What are you looking for?

>>34298700
I was meeting women in lots of different ways. Church, friends/family, dating apps, hobby clubs, etc. I was dating seriously, looking for a long-term relationship with the goal of marriage. I got a lot of first dates and even some second and third dates, but nothing more than that. The dates usually went well I thought, nothing extremely exciting but nothing to indicate that she was upset or uncomfortable either. But every time she would either reject me via text a few days later, or she would just ghost.

>>34298668
What do you spend your time doing, and who do you spend it with?

>>34298684
Alright, so like "grounded." That's fair enough. I still think most people who use that term have no idea what they mean. It's become a red flag for purposeless behavior for me.

>>34298711
I don't really want to say it because it feels rude, but I think it has to be something you're saying. If you're making it that far, and they all keep pulling back, then something is going on that's telling them it's not a good idea. Women don't like to have their time wasted either, so I cant imagine it's something frivolous. Something is spooking them. Because if all those different types of women got a bad vibe...there is some sort of bad vibe consistently going on-the common denominator is you. You will have to figure out what it is. but please know..it is not your height. It will not be your looks, because your looks have gotten you that far multiple times now. It won't be money, it wont be fitness-its something you're saying. A way you're behaving. I'm sorry, that's all I can guess. I think the best thing you could do is has a female friend and honestly ask her if something about you is unsettling. See what you can work on. Most will wanna go "ah youre fine youre fine!" but you need truth that can help you, not empty reassurance.
>>34298720
Yes, grounded is a better word. Because that does often become a huge issue later on. You want to be able to rely on each other. If you know the other person is going to freak out in a tough situation and make things worse, male or female you won't want to be with them long term. Puts too much drama and problems on your back.

>>34298528
>>34298553
i see
>>34298612
>First, why don't you have any experience?
>>34298653
>It depends on the reason
i suppose the bare bones answer is late bloomer and as time went on it got, or at least felt harder to get into. some more time passed, and here we are is the gist of it

>>34298725
Of course. There's just some invisible, intangible thing that I'm apparently doing or saying or otherwise exhibiting, that no one can positively identify, that still somehow scares off every single woman, but only in person, not online or via text. And apparently it's always been present, even though all kinds of people in my life like me, appreciate me, and don't feel uncomfortable around me, and I've had two different short-term FWBs who never expressed anything of the sort.

I think it's more likely that women actually have no idea what they want. They just want someone who excites them, and the vast majority of guys don't do that.

femanons, how do you feel about sexual partners (guys or girls really) that aren't into eating out? i tend to try it once when i'm with a new partner because tmk it feels really good for them and i do wanna please them as well as they please me but the taste always just bugs me and 110% kills my libido and then the mood so i usually stray away from it. i'm generally upfront about all this though but i was just wondering if there's any connotations i guess

>>34298744
You're generalizing again, which doesnt hurt or punish anyone other than yourself. You can say to soothe yourself, "well women just dont know what they want", but then you go out and you will see happy couples because those people both knew exactly what they wanted, and that was each other-for varying different reasons that mattered to them both specifically.
People all have different wants, right? But people also consistently tend to have the same dis-wants. Usually, lets say body odor. Across the board, body odor will repel people away. Something you're saying or doing is repelling others. It's not because you're nice, plenty of nice men have wives and happy families. It's not because how you look. It's likely a behavior.
Do you suffer from depression? Anger issues? At some point, your mask for whatever it is inevitably slips, and every time that happens, whoever you're talking to leaves. You need to figure out what that problem is and fix it, is my guess.
>>34298745
If you don't like the taste, tell your partner so she can adjust her diet. A lot of people eat like shit, male or female, and then they dont realize they don't taste good. Especially Americans.

>>34298857
I'm generalizing based on a consistent pattern that has been observed by me and by other people.
Again, I have friends, family members, coworkers, etc. in my life that don't express any concerns like what you're implying.
I've never been to therapy Never been diagnosed with anything either. I don't think I'm the problem.

>>34298371
Yes, you absolutely have to lie, because if you don't you get judged by women like this >>34298528, which is ironic, because you then start the relationship off based on a lie, creating the very red flags they're so afraid of. A fucking Catch 22.

But you want my honest opinion? Don't lie. Tell the truth. It will filter out women like this >>34298569. Nothing you do will ever be good enough for them. They will always judge you. Always find a reason.

There are women out there who don't care if you don't have dating experience. You'll just have to keep looking.

>>34298666
>my last ex was 5'1 and fat with no job yet.
Lemme guess, he had a face like Brad Pitt, and a massive penis.

>He was very kind in the beginning though...unfortunately his insecurities lead to us splitting
Lemme guess, you got bored of his kindness and wanted something more exciting. Probably someone with a lot of money.

>>34298744
Never take dating advice from women. They have no idea how hard it is to be a man.

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>>34298689
>That sounds interesting, how did it go down?
My fiancée likes making innuendos to our sex life in front of people. We were having lunch with her friends and she asked me to get her another drink. When I got up, she swatted my butt in front of everyone. Then when I got back, she pulled me into her lap, started scratching my chin, and telling them I was a good pet but sometimes my leash needs a yank and such.

For reference, we do petplay and other BDSM stuff.

>>34298733
I personally don't think there is any shame in that. But again, if you don't feel comfortable being honest, this is one of those scenarios where there's no harm in lying.

>>34298745
>femanons, how do you feel about sexual partners (guys or girls really) that aren't into eating out?
At this point in my life, it's non-negotiable. Especially if they expect oral.

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>>34298934
Did /r9k/ kick you out or something?

>>34298942
Fuck off.

>>34298945
Nah.

>>34298934
Ack im the boogeywoman!!! It's true...
I thought he was cute yes. I don't believe its respectful to say anything else. I think you sound very victimized by yourself, burning in a hell you continuously reignite yourself. I think to aspire to be like you would be a mistake. If you are a man who doesnt want to listen to women, that's fine, but don't listen to other men who are miserable. That is only a way to stay just as miserable as he is. If you may only accept advise from other men, make sure it's a man in a good relationship, with a wife he adores and children that between them both are well taken care of. If a man has nothing, he will lead you to nothing as well, even if you are another man yourself.

>>34298993
>I thought he was cute yes
I knew it :D

>If you may only accept advise from other men, make sure it's a man in a good relationship
Yes, exactly. Never take fishing advice from the fish. Ask the fisherman.

>>34298356
Aryan OP

>>34298371
Probably off-putting but who gives a shit type thing. Unless you have to for some reason, you ideally won't start knot brained relationships with ppl who you enjoy interacting with but have an irreconcilable issue with. If you were to lie to date a woman who would otherwise not be interested or tally some imaginary score board where you lost a point if you told her about your lack of dating experience, wouldn't SHE be off-putting?

>>34299019
You should always find the person that you're with cute. My friends didnt think so, but I did, and thats all that mattered. Do you think you're ugly?

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>>34298356
Fellow guys
What do you talk about to women that are strangers?
I feel like it's easy to talk to guys I'm meeting for the first time but when it comes to women I'm a deer in head lights.

>>34298609
No, its your life, you get to decide for yourself which traits you find acceptable. Im curious how did you come to the conclusion there is a universal law about this?

>>34299241
It's what women consistently say they want, and men like that have much more success with dating.
Of course, it's probably a mistake to believe that women have any idea what they want.

>>34299257
Women literally don't know what they want, they are literally just niggers who need to be convinced they want something. Sure they might "want" 6'0 but they're retards who just don't know what they want. Sorry not sorry to women, just being honest in all of my experience with you. Because y'all are kinda niggers…

>>34299263
>>34299257
Then why don't you listen to other men and get women that way? I assume this will be not only very easy, but additionally highly successful for you! I know it'll work, since you believe in it so deeply!
Maybe "Ask the opposite gender" isn't quite for you though...perhaps "Ask the same gender" would work better in your case!

>>34299279
Are you retarded?
Wait, stupid question. No need to answer.

>>34299290
What makes you think that?

>>34299292
You're a foid, for one thing. And you seem to think other men would know more about women than women do, which is retarded because they only place they could get it is from women. But women are retarded and don't know what they want.

>>34299296
So do women know what they want or do men know? No one knows what women want? Women are that complex, no man can understand? Not even your father did? Then how did your mother get pregnant? It was consensual...right...?

>>34299301
My mom let her high school boyfriend fuck her and that's how she got pregnant with me.
No one knows what women want. You have to be able to communicate and know what you want for other people to know, and women are too retarded to do those things.

>>34299279
Because those niggers are niggers who try to scam other men.

>>34299320
Then who knows what to do? Who should you listen to?
>>34299315
So no one knows what women want, and women are too retarded to communicate. Then no couples exist anymore, right? No ones dating, no ones in love. Or are they? How can there be couples in love, but no one knows what women want? Every day there are hundreds of weddings, anniversary celebrations, babies birthed between married couples-but no one knows what women want! This is very mysterious and fun to me. Your mother had sex with basically a stranger you're saying, and so all of our mothers did that I guess is the logic, so going by your logic...women love sex with strangers. ..Then why arent they having sex with you? Were you having sex in high school too? Your father did, so it must have been easy.

>>34299336
I've had hookups with women.
My beliefs about women have very little to do with my mother and her choices.
Women can do what feels good in the moment, and that can lead to dates, sex, even relationships and babies. But that's the thing, you have to make them excited in the moment, and who knows what will get that reaction out of them? Certainly not women themselves.

>>34298940
Is this little shiver as hot to you as it is to me?
https://files.catbox.moe/b9yizk.mp4 (nsfw kitty warning)

>>34299348
I feel like you just don't understand women and are projecting this on everyone else, including women. Kinda sad.

>>34299348
But your mother is a woman too, so by default she is included in everything you're saying. So you're saying that in order to have a woman around, you have to keep her excited all the time? So men who are married that have boring jobs, and only come home and talk to his wife and kids..how are they keeping their wives excited? How did they get married in the first place? If women don't know what makes them excited, then how do they know what to turn down? Also, if you're very successful with women, then why are you on 4chan in the middle of the night writing multiple times about how difficult dating is for you? I thought it was easy then...? Are you struggling, or do you have it easy? You seem to know how we work just fine. What problems do you have again..?

>>34298553
>If a guy is in his 30s and has no dating experience, he'll likely take whatever he can get
Nah, if you do that you end up with some jaded bitch like >>34298528 who'll get pissy when you expect her to behave like a woman who isn't burned out by a thousand cocks.

>>34299355
No. Women reject men who have everything women say they want.
Of course, you wouldn't know anything about that, because you never even leave your house. Shut up.
>>34299357
I didn't say I was "very successful" with women, I said I've had hookups before.
Sure, women end up in relationships with boring men. That's how you get dead bedrooms, cheating, and open relationships.
You really are retarded.

>>34299367
I'd say I'm more reliable on the subject than... whatever you are.

>>34299371
Is that supposed to be a joke? Because it's not a very good one.

>>34299358
What makes you think I'm jaded? and if I'm jaded, then how would I end up with anon anyway? My expectations would be too high, wouldnt they?
>>34299367
Women reject men who have everything we say we want. So we just meet someone and instantly we know that he has everything we say we want, but we reject them anyway. Who do we go to then? Who keeps winning, if its not who we want? Is it who you want? Well it cant be, because you want it to be you, but it's never you-so who keeps winning if its not who women want and its not who you want either?

You said that women only chase excitement, but now concede that that isnt always true, however now if they don't choose excitement, the direct result is always cheating and sexless lives. Who do you know like that? If women actually do end up with boring men, then why have none still wound up with you?

>>34299377
Women ignore their wants and needs if a guy shows up who excites them. You asked how they know who to turn down? They don't which is why they end up with abusers, losers, etc. It's just whoever gets them excited in the moment.
That excitement can also be present in the beginning of the relationship before the guy gets boring. This is particularly true if a guy puts a lot of effort in to be someone he's not, and when he stops putting in that effort, she finds excitement somewhere else. I'm not going to try to be someone I'm not.

>>34299257
Ok i think i see where youre coming from. You see yourself and other men you dont conside attractive and how you dont manage to get dates, while women you dont consider attractive still get dates.
I think the issue is that 99% of women, even if they are fat and poor an whatever, they still shower every day, still try to dress nice, take care of their hair, are reasonably polite and pleasant to be around, etc--while thats not necessarily the case for men.
So what i would do in your place is at least try, as most wome at least try, before deciding you dont have a chance because of unfair laws.

>>34299386
So every woman is currently with an abuser, making every single successful man abusive. Everything is about excitement, and love and bonds just arent real. Grandparents are together for so many years because for all that time, even into their 80s, the man is exciting his little old lady-but also, he's abusing her too.
The only way for you to ever get a gf is to be abusive and exciting, but you're loving and boring, so you'll just never find someone ever. You're loving, in a world where love doesnt exist, because love is actually excitement. Anon, you want to be excited. Which liking to be excited means you like to be abused. Is that why you've been talking to me for so long? or is that why you keep trying to date in general?

>>34299394
I didn't say women only end up with abusers. I said they end up with abusers sometimes because they only chase excitement.
I don't want excitement. I want a nice girl who loves me and wants to start a family.
I imagine old people stay together because it's easier than trying to date in your 60s, and less complicated for everyone else in their lives too.
>>34299393
And what, you think I'm just some degenerate slob who doesn't shower, pisses in bottles, and wears nothing but gym shorts and stained t-shirts? Are you retarded?
I'm 6'2", not a fatass, make good money, dress and groom myself decently well and I do have social skills. I keep my place clean and it's furnished well, and I go outside regularly.

>>34299406
Well you said they all chase excitement. There is no such thing as a woman who likes a boring man. Except there is, but those women pick those men and then all hate them no matter what. Which loops back to women only want excitement and nothing else.
You don't want excitement though, you want to be boring. and you don't want a woman who likes boring men because 1. they dont exist, but 2. when they do, they are also wrong, and terrible, and dirty and useless.
You don't like women who need excitement and you don't like women who don't need excitement.
You want a girl who will start a family with you, but all women want is excitement, which you have none of and don't like.

You're 6'2, not fat, make good money, dress and smell great, and have amazing social skills in your 30s, with your own place, and also you go outside regularly. But you're not exciting, and women don't like you, all because you're everything they want. You are the most punished man in this world. Perfect, yet brutally ignored. Left with only two types of women in on this planet-both of which, you don't like. You're really brave..you know that? I think I speak for us all when I say we admire youre strength. The determination and will to press on, with everything stacked against you. Keep your head up, anon.

>>34299406
>you think I'm just some degenerate slob
I dont know you and wasnt trying to offend you, i was trying to understand why you wrote the things that you wrote.

>>34299419
You are very, very stupid. Try not to choke on your own drool, dumbass.

>>34299422
I'm just left staggered by how perfect you are. You've made me realize that you really are right-about everything you've said here, tonight. You're exactly what we've all been looking for. You're everything that I have ever wanted in my life, but.... I don't want you either. And I guess it's because ultimately, I must not know what I want either. Because look at you. Right here, right now, I've met the most amazing man to ever exist. He really has it all, and I'm actually missing out. Tall, handsome, argues online all day well into the night...but you're looking for love, and we women don't like love. We only want excitement. Nothing about this was exciting, so I guess I'm going to have to leave you a goodbye text too. Just like all the other women before me, in your life. I know..foolish. but you're just too good. You're everything a woman can want. And so I don't want you. Because I want what I don't want. and that's to go pee really badly right now and then stare at excel sheets.
It's not you, ok? It's me. I'm sorry. For everything. Goodbye...

>>34299444
I never said or implied I was even close to perfect. But I think it's reasonable to expect that I should be able to get a girlfriend.
I hope you miss the toilet, slip and fall on your piss, and break your neck on the side of the bathtub.

>>34299455
I didn't, but a little bit tried to go down the side of my buttcheek. Blasted it with the bidet. Ok I really have to focus and then sleep soon. I was just playing with you the majority of this time, youre kind of sensitive though. Bit stiff. If you got a sense of humor, you'd be fine. Take shit less seriously and you'll meet someone. Goodnight, dumbass.

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>>34298411
>Does it mean anything if a girl talks to you about her period?
>>34298528
>>34298612
Two very distinct answers to this question, and yet, both are somehow true. You'll really need to examine this in relation to other behaviours to find out which camp you're in.

>>34298378
Posture, body language, facial expressions. People just kinda know when you're weak. If you want to be perceived as weak, present yourself in an opposing manner. Learn how to stand properly, learn what your body language means. Often this is subconscious, but you can learn to acknowledge what you're doing subconsciously and make conscious changes. eg. stop putting your hands in your pockets, or folding your arms when you meet new people.

>>34298363
These are some of the only threads on /soc/ that aren't inundated with penises and homosexuals, don't you bloody dare try to take this from me.

>>34299469
I do have a sense of humor. And like I said, I wasn't always like this. I'm never like this in person. I keep things casual and light in person.

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>>34298371
If you know how to present yourself, this topic seldom comes up. I learned how to make myself appear more attractive, and now it always surprises people when I'm a virgin. I'm 35, for relative context.

>>34299238
Need a bit more information here, are you meeting in a 3rd space here, or are you just cold approaching? Cold-approaching, generally speaking, doesn't work that often, so I wouldn't strip your gears about that. I usually meet women at dinner parties, so it's usually a case "who do you know", etc. or because I'm usually helping with the hosting, some kind of quip about having a night off.

>>34299492
>I usually meet women at dinner parties
I've never been to a dinner party before.
I mostly just see women at the gym or at the grocery store.

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>>34298356

40/m.

Never really had a relationship, once 'official' gf when i was 28 for a month. I feel like I'm a crimson red flag.

Not a virgin, but only had sex once.

Feel like it's too late for me to try anymore? I just might be too far gone to ever have a relationship/

>>34298609
It's more like that that's the standard for high-maintenance smokeshows but for average women, most men fail the first hurdle of
>genuinely being supportive
>understanding
>not a absolute manchild
so might as well aim for a 9 that's just as much bf material as a 6.
But also there are women happy to date within their league so they either bag the one genuinely good man in a 30 mile radius, they hop from shit relationship-to-shit relationship and eventually land in a doomed marriage, or just abstain from relationships altogether.

Not to mention that men's standards of "not being a bitch" means that you're a complete doormat that never challenges his opinion in anyway and blindly go along with whatever he thinks is right.

>>34299238
I love to talk about cooking, housecare, latest recipe I've tried, maybe my pets if there's any indicator of them also being a pet person or I want to continue the conversation to see if they have similar values/takes on things I hold dear
>>34299480
Yeah not it I'm 6'5 and well built/on scholarship here. just social recluse asf

If a girl posts an insta while I’m browsing, is it okay for me to like it as soon as I see it (like two minutes after she posted) or would that be seen as creepy?

Should I wait a bit before liking it? How long should I wait?

>>34299996
Absolutely delusional. I've never even been given the opportunity to demonstrate the first two, and I'm not a manchild at all.
"Not being a bitch" doesn't mean being a doormat, either. It just means not treating me like shit, not constantly trying to undermine me or tear me down, and not acting cold or hostile toward me all the time.

>>34300629
I'd say 20 - 30 mins. I get creeped out easily, but there are other girls who like the attention.

>>34299996
There's so much wrong here, I just have to dig in.
>genuinely being supportive
By which you mean being a complete doormat who never challenges your opinion in any way, and blindly goes along with whatever you think is right? It can be difficult to show empathy and provide constructive feedback, criticism, and counsel to someone who believes anything they feel is valid or believe is sacrosanct, simply because it's rooted in their feelings or beliefs, and unfortunately, that describes the majority of women.
>understanding
It's kind of ironic that so many women just expect every man to possess therapist levels of emotional intelligence, while simultaneously making no attempt to understand men, and in fact, often never considering there may be something to understand to begin with.
>not a absolute manchild
Listen, when you're right, you're right. A significant portion of the male population needs to spend less time smoking weed, jerking off, and playing video games, but are we seriously pretending perpetual adolescence isn't the norm for modern women?
>so might as well aim for a 9 that's just as much bf material as a 6
This logic makes sense, just so long as you're fine being treated as a disposable bangmaid. It's worth considering that the 6 might not be perfect, but he's exponentially more likely to give an honest effort in the first place, not to mention far less likely to lack the means and inclination to have other hoes.

What a lot of women fail to realize, and I suspect this includes you, about the kind of men all women want... is that *all* women want them, and unless you're an exceptionally attractive woman of significant female virtue, the odds of one picking you are effectively zero.

Now, I understand that, like most women, you probably genuinely believe you are exceptional, but given that you think there is only one genuinely good man in a 30 mile radius (if all your relationships are shit, you're the problem) I can assure you, you're not.

>>34300660
Hey, I

>>34298620
gave you some homework. The very obvious lesson is question is this: be attractive. Don't get bitter, get disciplined. Don't cry about what isn't fair, play to win. If your body, finances, and mindset aren't dialed in, then complaining about how women are is effectively pissing into the wind. Anyway,
>It just means not treating me like shit, not constantly trying to undermine me or tear me down, and not acting cold or hostile toward me all the time
Anon speaks the truth. To any ladies reading this, I truly believe a 6 can get any man she wants so long is she is appreciative, affectionate, loyal, and knows the importance of making her man look good in front of his peers. It's really that easy.

>>34301465
I could lose a bit of weight but otherwise I don't have any issues in that regard. That's part of the problem, I feel like I'm doing almost everything right and still getting rejected and ghosted constantly.

Mental how shit women are with straight men. Easiest beings on the planet to please and they still fail.

>>34301433
anon I don't think that's what anyone think supportive or understanding means unless they're genuinely fucking retarded. I do hard agree though, a lot of men don't really need much beyond a 6-7 as long as there's actual virtue and basic household skills in a woman. Women are too busy seeking out men who have no intention of settling down or leaving the dating pool because they think they'll get social status, and it's VERY obvious when that's the case. It never ends well. There are plenty of basic attractive people out there with good virtues as long as one can also maintain that for themselves.
>>34301465
It really is that fucking easy.

>>34301501
I think at some point during the boomer generational temper tantrum women stopped maturing. I don't know if it's psychic damage from hypersexualisation or they're just spoiled but there's a level of maturity to much older women and/or those who grew up in traditional, poorer cultures you just don't see in American women. Really depressing.

That aside, question for women: How do I find girls who are boring and easygoing but NOT some kind of secret freak fujo pedophile anorexic?

>>34300629
I'd say wait a little, doesn't have to be really long but give it a few minutes at least and then like it.

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Hi atoga! Started working out a few months ago. I think i've been making some progress. What do you think?
>Used to be a skeleton

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I had no idea there was a /soc/ atoga.

All the men here are horny idiots and all the women here are just idiots.

No different from /adv/ atoga.

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Do you guys think this is sociologically sustainable?

>>34302131
Clearly it isn't.

>>34302131
>Society tries
Delusion
>Everyone pretends
Cope

>>34301492
>I could lose a bit of weight
This is dishonest language, just say you're kinda fat. Also, stop being fat. Also, can you bench 2 plates for reps? I ask because that is a very attainable goal (as in, can be reached from DYEL status by lifting three times a week with progressive overload in a year or less) that less than 1% of the population is capable of. Even if someone is broke, they can get shredded, and walking around knowing you're superior to 99% of the male population at something/anything does wonders for your self-esteem and mindset.
>I feel like I'm doing almost everything right
Well, and I mean no offense, clearly you're not. I don't know you so I can't really assess you in depth, but I'm kind of getting the vibe that you have a "good enough" mindset, and that doesn't exactly inspire excitement in the fairer sex. What I mean is, you speak in terms like...
>I could lose a bit of weight
>I make decent money
>I kind of know what I want
>I feel OK, I guess
It gives the impression that you want to put *just* enough effort into life that someone/anyone will settle for you. Maybe I'm wrong, but that is the vibe I'm getting from our limited interaction, and perhaps women are picking up on this as well. Only you can know for sure if I'm on to something, or just talking out of my ass.

>>34301735
>I don't think that's what anyone think supportive or understanding means
The type of women like the one I was quoting do, and the point was more I was twisting their own words to highlight their hypocrisy.
>It really is that fucking easy
I unceremoniously dismissed my rotation of 7s, 8s, and occasionally a 9 (when she had time for me, I can't compete with literal celebrities... yet) and never looked back, purely because I met a 6 who makes me feel loved, appreciated, understood, and safe, whose relationship and life goals aligned with mine.

>>34302050
Nice! You doing any lateral raises?

>>34302131
Ahem... no.

>>34302226
You have no clue what you're talking about and you should stop replying to people.

>>34298356
Women if penis in vagina doesn't actually feel good why do you use dildos

>>34302279
Have you ever considered the fact that these are probably 2 groups of people
If there's overlap, it's probably because they like it in combination with clit stimulation
Or maybe they bought it before realising it just wasn't for them

>>34302226
>You doing any lateral raises?
Yeah! Recently started a few weeks ago. Chest fly as well

how do I make myself less boring to women? I'm a homebody, so my schedule is basically just work/gym/reading or vidya/sleep. I do go on a scuba trip once per year, but that doesn't seem to hold their interest beyond the first 5 or so pictures from my last trip. I'm open to doing new stuff if they suggest it but it never seems like they do. I can hold a conversation about any number of topics, politics, cooking, the books I've read, my job, you name it but that doesn't seem to help either.

What makes a man interesting?

>>34302500
also I've been told that I have a very sexy voice, to the point where women would repeatedly call my work number on the weekend to listen to my voicemail greeting (they were all 70+ unfortunately). How can I best leverage this?

>>34302401
Does it feel good for you?

Wish femanons would post their hands, instead all they do is demand, demand, demand...

Wait it’s been a while since I’ve been on /soc/ are women actually trying to SELL pictures of themselves?

>>34302822
Grow up.

>>34302753
>hand fetish
the fuck?

>>34303056
Who shit in your cornflakes this morning bro cause it wasn’t me

>>34301465
>I truly believe a 6 can get any man she wants so long is she is appreciative, affectionate, loyal, and knows the importance of making her man look good in front of his peers. It's really that easy.

And not expect any reciprocation of those values. All this talk about women being loyal, affectionate, and making him look good in front of his peers, and men rarely show the same values towards women who absolutely do.
Most men will never show affection or love to a woman's interests or goals unless it's the bare minimum for her to still show you affection. Most men will absolutely embarass their girlfriends and intentionally get a rise out of them just so they look cool to their own friends. Men want peace but aren't willing to also give peace to their wives life. Wanting to be loved but not wanting to love.
I do think women should be loyal, affectionate, and caring towards their lovers. But men should also have those traits, that's what alot of men, hot or average-looking, have a problem with. I defintley see alot more women being loving and supportive towards their bf/husbands than the other way around.

>>34299238
I don't talk to women who are strangers unless I'm at work (bartender), I just make small talk and riff off them and have a laugh about things

>>34303427
Doing that makes women lose interest more often than not. Men are by no means perfect but you really need to understand that your perception of yourself is deeply at odds with how you actually act and what will actually induce feelings of love and security in you. Perfectly egalitarian reciprocity usually isn't the correct mindset when it comes to love, much as I deeply wish it was.

>>34298940
That’s a hot story, thanks for sharing.

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>>34299996
>Not to mention that men's standards of "not being a bitch" means that you're a complete doormat that never challenges his opinion in anyway and blindly go along with whatever he thinks is right.

The remarkable thing about men is, we mean exactly what we say. When we say all a woman has to do is "not be a bitch", we literally mean "don't be a bitch". It's incredibly vexing seeing how some of you can speak to people in the public forum and have no consequences for doing so purely because you're a woman.

>>34301433
Why does everyone talk about embitterment this way, as if it's some sort of on/off switch? "Don't be bitter"; well, I'm sure the guy in question just never thought of that!

>>34298371
You just don't have to tell people. Worked for the US army for ages.