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Spurs tied the series 2-2
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Why isn’t injury talk bigger? People are bushing aside the thunders injuries. I know they’re good and deep but do we really expect SGA and role players to beat the spurs ?
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Genuinely how is Chet Third Team All-NBA? I thought he sucked
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>>154851985
anti chet narratives are being propagated by shai industrial complex just ignore it
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>>154851978
The Thunder have the deepest roster in the league, so deep that they have guys who don't even get playing time that would be getting serious minutes on most other teams.
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Knicks better win because I can't stand the idea of watching another game with these shitty ass auraless cavs
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>>154851985
He's pretty good when there's nothing to play for
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>>154852014
I want the Cavs to win because I like watching basketball and want more basketball to watch. Sweeps are the shittiest outcomes.
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>>154851978
How many great teammates is a guy supposed to have?
Shit!
Y'all act like if a guy doesn't have a roster full of all-stars with him, he's at a disadvantage.
Shai has NBA players on his team
That's good enough.
If he wants to get to the next round, he should find a way to score 40
Not find new teammates.
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STAY THERE.
BE A MAN.
DON'T RUN WHEN IT COMES.
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>>154851985
you niggas really don't get this whole regular season thing
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>>154852022
The East is just playing to see who loses to the West this year.
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>>154852040
Knicks are better than the spurs. We’ve already wiped them during the regular season.
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>>154852040
the west will be half dead while the knicks are fully recharged and prepped
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>>154851985
The 65 game rule for All-NBA awards fucked over some players
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>>154852028
Kek
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Shai didn't get his licks in last game but dontchu worry, he gun get his licks in twice as hard and fast this next one...
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>>154852040
You said the same thing last year but the refs had to step in to protect the Thunder from losing to the Pacers in 6.
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>>154852074
I don't doubt it, he some DSLs
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>>154852074
Shai didn't get his dicks in last game but dontchu worry, he gun get his dicks in twice as hard and fast this next one.
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A BOWL OF CHICKEN WINGS AND SOME OUT OF DATE NACHOS FOR GIANNIS.

GIVE IT UP TO THE MIAMI HEAT.
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>>154852132
>an aging star with limited moveset that relies on his dwindling athleticism to compete
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>>154852157
He’s only 32
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>>154852157
ya'll need to stop this Giannis is declining meme
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>>154852157
He carried Mike Budenholzer and Khris Middleton to a championship.
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>>154852166
well he is and as of late can't even stay healthy. His game in general is also the prime example of something that will fall off a cliff
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Toronto should sign Lebron and trade for Greek Freak
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>>154852132
That's more than what the Spurs got for Kawhi.
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>>154852162
28 is typically the peak of any athletes prime. Every year after that is them in decline.
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>>154852180
inb4 "how many playoff series did Giannis win without Khris Middleton"
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Giannis is a broken-down jalopy, bro
Hasn't done shit in years.
Am I supposed to think changing jerseys will improve his health?
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>>154852219
Not to mention how shit the Heat spacing will be with presumably Bam and Giannis down low, if you could swap Bam for Giannis directly I’d do it
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Finally beat this bitch
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Can someone who watched all 4 games tell me how bad refball has been this series? And is it true Shai is a fraud?
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>>154852180
They were kyrie injury away from being swept by the nets. The only legitimate champs this decade have been the warriors
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>>154852282
McCain and Williams are somehow more annoying than sga. Then you got irritating cunts like Chet and Caruso, never seen a more unlikeable team in any sport
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everyone always says "picks for giannis" but they neglect matching salaries
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>>154852279
the reffing has been inconsistent. Some games they let them play, some games they call everything. The gameplan for the spurs has been to lockdown / double team sgay and let the roleplayers beat them. so sga points are down to 25 but assists are way up to 10. castle and harper are doing a really good job of stopping him.
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>>154852330
The fact that reddit hates them is enough for me to be neutral this series and to want them to win the chip if they make the finals
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>>154852411
They finally stopped double teaming him everytime he touched the ball last night. I know he's the MVP but they were compromising the rest of their defense by doing that. He can kill you, but he won't kill you THAT bad.
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>>154852423
I knew you were gay
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>>154852132
At this point, what the fuck do they even think they can get? If Giannis is going to limit the selection to like 2 or 3 teams and everyone knows he's going to be traded you have no fucking leverage at all. Which is why you don't wait until two years after shit has gone sideways to blow it up.
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Max Kellerman is blacker than Stephen A Smith
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>>154852262
How/where do you play? Billy Cunningham based
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>>154852424
Not doubling SGA reminded me of how Pop would sag off LeBron in the finals.
Back then, Pop wouldn't send a defender at LeBron till he got to the free-throw line.
It fucked with Bron's head.
Without a double coming at him, SGA was a bit confused last night.
Any other team and it probably wouldn't bother him
But beating his defender and stepping towards the basket on the Spurs means you've got Wemby closing on you.
Shai a bit perplexed right now.
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>>154852497
It's just called 82-0. You roll a team and a decade and pick a player who fits those parameters and are allowed 1 re-roll for each per round
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>finner bet 15k today
>jew kike bullshit banks are closed
Holy fuckkkkkkkk
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/nba/ told me JDub wasnt needed...
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>>154852480
>brother gets killed by a black
>still worships blacks
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How does wemby deal with kat running the offense at the top of the key
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>>154852180
>>154852212
I seem to remember the Bucks winning multiple games in the ECF without Giannis. Was he carrying the team while playing zero minutes? Because that's a neat trick.
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>>154852480
>Producers tell the white guy to be pro-Kaepernick and the black guy to be anti-Kaepernick to avoid making the white guy look like a racist and destroy the shows brand
>Black guy get's called anti-black and has to stand on that now
>Black guys resentment causes him to chase the white guy off the show
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>2000: Lakers win the chip
>2010: Lakers win the chip
>2020: Lakers win the chip
>2030:?
Will the Lakers win the championship in 2030? Is it destined?
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Hmmmm
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there's zero chance that jdub and ajay play the rest of this series btw
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>>154852582
>Averaged 30/13/5 in the playoffs and was finals MVP
>Didn't carry the team because he was out for 2 games against the bum ass Hawks (lol)
Find a new slant
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>>154852560
kek really
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>>154852583
No player's impact has ever been so disproportionate to their actual ability. I will always hate Jim Harbaugh a little for betraying Alex Smith so he could roll the dice (and lose) with this fucking meme.

Reminder that this fraud got benched in favor of Blaine Gabbert entirely for performance reasons and THEN decided to become an activist because he was butthurt about being benched and wanted a way to still be an attention whore while not actually playing. But the benching came first. It was not politically motivated. He was just ass.
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https://streamable.com/5sqx9c
damn, even the chinks turned on sga...
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Chet is a garbage fraudulent white nigger
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>>154852515
>Pop's LeBron Strategy
The GOAT gets the ball.
The defenders immediately run away from him.
They know the GOAT can't shoot.
They know all he can do is bulldoze and offensive foul for his buckets.
The threat isn't him shooting.
The threat isn't him dribbling.
The GOAT can only make buckets two feet from the rim.

I wish more coaches wpu;d haved exposed the GOAT like this.
It takes balls to tell your guys not get close to him
But back away from LeBron and watch him shit a brick.
The same way he be bricking (and airballing) wide open free throws.
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>>154852700
The best plan to stop the GOAT is to tell the defender, "Don't get close to him"
Tell the defender to give him five feet of space.
If more coaches did this to LeBron, his career would be very different
Pop knew that bitch couldn't handle being left wide open
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blunderskitz really abandoned OKC after two whole losses lmfaooooooooooooooooo talked mad shit for 2 years only to get wembusted on
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Knicks are going to bulldoze the spurs
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>>154852728
>>154852700
these niggas are so slow. it looks like something from the 1950s
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>The 2x MVP can't score over Wemby
>Surely our 6'0 manlet guard will be able to!
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>>154852423
>noooo reddit can never be right
kill yourself
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Didnt 50 year old Timmy defeat Wemby in a 1on1 12-2?
Youre telling me not one person one earth can stop this guy now? How low has basketball fallen
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>>154852480
Max is invited to the cookout. Big Momma makes him a dish.

Stephen A doesn't get the invite.
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>>154852868
50 year old Timmy could give you 12-8-2.5 stocks in 20 minutes
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>>154852833
Upvoted
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if you need drones
we got you
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>>154852262
easy
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>>154852925
That line wouldve been lame even from a 15 year old what was he thinking
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>>154852262
>>154852938
How are you niggas beating this shit? Maybe I should have picked John Havlicek
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>>154852700
>>154852728
Look how far they are sagging on your GOAT
Pop literally said,
>I'll bet the an NBA championship on LeBron not hitting an open jumpshot
He lost the bet.
But no other great player is getting that kind of space in the fourth quarter of game seven of the NBA finals.
LeBron got that much space because he sucks.
In all transparency, here's a video of your GOAT making Pop pay.
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>>154852938
man FUCK this game, nobody beatin this squad
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I can’t believe a leaf really said this to me last thread kek
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>>154853033
>2 ball hogs
>Dwayne Wade who isn't a great shooter
>2 defensive bigs who can't shoot
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Man fuck you you should be able to replace spots you have filled
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>special america 250 year
>the presidents beloved new York city wins the chip
I see you jews
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>>154853115
early game i tried to pick guys who have flexible positions, then drag them to new positions if i get someone better but less flexible position
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>>154853131
I’m learning a bit about nba history with this game, not sure how a 6’3 Adrian Dantley averaged 9rpg in the 70s
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Hey LeFaggots
Did Jordan Airball a free throw before Scottie Pippen joined the team?
LeFaggots, you have your false straw man arguments for your GOAT
BUT I HAVE THE VIDEOS
C'mon lefaggots
You compile your videos on MJ
And I'll compile my videos on LeBron
And let's see who is the GOAT
SEND THE VIDEO!!!!!!!
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>>154853208
Yes Jordan is obviously the goat. The game was much harder to score in, the players were all in the real nigga mindset era, and the talent level of the league was not completely out of whack with outliers like wilt and Russell who were physically unstoppable.

Jordan would succeed in any era. The other "goats" would not succeed in his
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My Spurs are about to make the NBA Finals and the general is still obsessed with Lebron. He really is still the face of the NBA.
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1. Timothy Theodore Duncan
2. Hakeem Abdul Olajuwon
3. Michael Jeffrey Jordan
4. Bill Felton Russel
5. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. lebron
7. Earvin "Magic" Johnson Jr.
8. Wardell Stephen Curry the Second
9. Shaquille Rashaun O'Neal
10. Larry Joe Bird
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>>154853264
LeBron being the face of the nba is like Hitler being time magazines person of the year
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>>154852868
>guy known as "the Big Fundamental" still has elite skills that loss of athleticism didnt take away
say it aint so
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>>154853266
Shaq and LeBron aren’t top ten amongst other retarded shit in your list
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WINS ARE NOT A PLAYER STAT. WINS ARE A TEAM STAT. IF YOU DISAGREE THEN YOU ARE WRONG.
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First name Le
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>>154853291
Whyd i score all the "teams" points kwab?
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>>154853281
He lost to a 5 time NBA champ with two MVPs and is GOATED by some
He'll never recover.
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>>154852938
Impressive
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I had a team with peak KAJ, heatles bron and kg and got like 74 wins. Fuck this shit
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this game fake man
>muh fit
dont care this is the biggest superteam in existence so what if they sag a bit at C they 10 peating
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Niggas was really pumping they shoes up and shieeet
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>>154853331
you must suck. My create a player has led my team to undefeated seasons
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>>154853346
that's gay
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All nba team all time
>1st Team
PG - Magic Johnson
SG - Michael Jordan
SF - Scottie Pippen
PF - Tim Duncan
C - Bill Russell
>2nd Team
PG - Steph Curry
SG - Kobe Bryant
SF - Larry Bird
PF - Dennis Rodman
C - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
>3rd Team
PG - Jerry West
SG - Dwayne Wade
SF - Julius Earving
PF - Kevin Garnett
C - Hakeem Olajuwan
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>>154853339
You need a certain amount of rebounds, blocks, steals and points cumulatively to win. Zach Randolph doesn’t give you enough points and stocks, he fucked up my team too
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Being able to put bron on all 5 positions certainly is a flex
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>>154853272
>comparing LeBron to Hitler

Why would you disrespect the furher like that?
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>>154853386
Where is LeBron?
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This dude has a vote...
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>>154853413
He’s the only player historically to be listed at all 5 positions
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>>154853447
he did all that for 10 seconds of clout
crazy bruh
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>>154853447
BASED
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>>154852208
>any athletes prime
Tom Brady? Kurt Warner?
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>lamelo, harden, kawhi, kd, wilt
>only 77 wins
Wtf
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>>154853490
They don’t count blocks for Wilt so that fucks it up I think
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>wasted a beautiful memorial day doing nothing
i hope this is the last nba season i witness and that i die before the next one
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Sickening to think of KAT and Brunson as nba champions
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Should the NBA step in and stop this? It's not good for the sport for OKC to have all these picks.
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>>154853455
Yeah its based
>>154853514
Damn
>>154853518
Live
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>>154853346
that's cool but i got lights in my shoes
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>>154853518
Kek, I hope to die soon as well
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>>154853528
what's wrong with KAT, he's the people champ.
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>>154853339
>this game fake man
agreed
my team is winning 60 games min
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>>154853528
I’d be more sick seeing the Spurs/Wemby or Gay(Shai) win
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>>154853528
honestly if they manage to get it done good for them, but at the same time fuck knicks fans forever
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>>154853291
singular nba players have a vast impact on wins. It's why you should always be skeptical of "good" players who always have trash records. That said the playoffs take a good team to really do anything but there's a point to where that circles back around to one dude can be and often is the key factor. In short, you play to win the game
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>>154853447
Termine is a basketball historian autist, a Celtics fan, and a Jokic dickrider.
His vote makes sense within that framework and honestly nobody gives a fuck about a unanimous first-team all-NBA.
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>>154853405
>blocks, steals
niggas in the 60s don't even have those stats, shit's rigged
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Chet stole Scottie's spot but we just gon ignore it
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Idk about you unnies but Knickerbockers in 4 :)
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>>154853455
pretty sure Magic did this too
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>>154853553
lil bro put Evan Mobley in there
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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>>154853606
the streets know Scottie should be on that list and DPOY
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>>154853553
this game doesn't rate DAWG sadly it doesnt recognise that Wallace is a demon
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>>154853623
1970s Cleveland is fucking me over in this game
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>>154852461
most likely the bucks will do some trade that retards looks good to help yawnpiss then it will fall through again and then everybody who previously said it was a good trade will pretend that they said it was a bad trade
there's no reason they break out of this cycle
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ain't recognize any of these cats apart from Castle
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>>154853620
Sct brn gets no respect because of the diaper thing and also the mental retardation thing.
Like we all know they're PROBABLY not true but based on what we've seen NOBODY can say that for sure.
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Spida legacy game tonight
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>>154853659
Sarr, Clingan, and Edey are all good to great but Edey is made of glass.
Spurs made out like bandits with Castle.
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>>154853664
He's definitely on the spectrum but he's a demon on the court
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>>154853528
I like KAT and OG but thats it for knicks
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How can they win next year bros
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>>154853659
Man Bronny definitely better than some of these cats. Shit lightweight hilarious
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>>154853742
maybe stop doin gay shit
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>>154853679
#LetEmKnow
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Wait there is a literal giant playing now?
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>>154853800
SGAy kneeling for the succ
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>>154852664
>>154852560
to be fair it was some mob shit that got his brother killed
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why haven't the spud deployed Olynyk yet?
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unlucky bros i got baron davis right before i rolled oscar robertson and i couldn't get him
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>>154853742
Go to euroleague
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HOLY SHIT 76-6
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>>154853871
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never let it be forgotten that blunderskitz ran when it came
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>>154853800
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>>154853880
76-6 again
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>>154853890
funniest part is that certified bitch is watching this thread rn seething, knowing he cant post because he'll get blitzed. he waiting to see if the blunder get a 20 point lead in their next game to start jawing again lol
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cavs are about to turn it on
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>>154853924
I think the Cavs are about ready to go on vacation.
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>>154853931
you just know this had shai biting his lip
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i was on the way to 82-0, then i got memphis the last two. fuck.
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>>154853418
He’s from Twatter forgive him
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>>154853800
>Shai instinctively putting his head at cock level
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>>154853882
What's up with all the Warriors picks?
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when is the next game?
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no way this aint it
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>>154853974
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>>154853528
Don’t worry Wembanyama is winning the next 8 finals barring injury
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>>154853894
which one of these guys is the mvp?
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My New Yorker cousin told me he's going to buy tickets to to the Finals in OKC if the Thunder make it to the dance against the knicks
We have lots of family in OKC, which is why he will fly out if that happens
It's kind of funny though it's cheaper for a New Yorker to see the Knicks play in the Finals in OKC than see them play at MSG
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>>154853951
I can get close but no cigar
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we did it bros
we just needed the jordan/thomas unholy alliance
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>>154853938
Cavs taking the redeye to Cacun tonight. Harden going to Tijuana for some Mexican lady boys.
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>>154854009
Memphis fucked you
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Thunder are cooked. Jdub's hammy tightness is now a strain and AJ Mitchell is done for the season now matter what. It would take an all time carry job from Shai (wont happen since both of his hands are fucked now), Chet taking over (wont happen since Wemby still owns him), or the roleplayers having the biggest hot shooting streak of their career (unlikely). Spurs are going to the finals
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My team
>Kareem
>Kobe
>Jordan
>LeBron
Still not good enough.
Fuck this game.
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>>154854192
Chat, is this true?
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>>154854192
Bro what is up with Jdub? Is this dude's career already over? He is always injured. At least he got his max contract but Thunder are fucked if he is always injured
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WAKE UP LEAFJEET
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>>154854192
Next man up mentality
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>>154854229
He hurt his hand last season but played through it. Fucked up his hamstring after he came back during the regular season, then fucked it up again, then fucked up his other hammy in game 2 of the playoffs.
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Isn't it weird how literally nobody ever talks about Kiki Vandeweghe? He's even less talked about than players like Alex English and George Gervin. I don't think I've ever seen him mentioned on this site ever.
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>>154854292
In Jordan’s era he was Kevin Durant, in LeBron’s era he’s Mike Miller
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>>154854292
Kiki is a really gay name for man.
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>>154854225
>carlos boozer
What the fuck did you expect
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Pop went off on the team after the Game 3 loss
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>>154854279
So weird that some players are so fragile while they are so young. I wonder if it his playstyle that's the problem or just shitty dna because he is not fat like Zion. Injuring your hamstrings so many times in your early 20s can't be normal
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>>154854498
What did he say to wemby after this?
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>>154854522
Young players play a lot more compared to boomers because it's how they get scouted
They also skip college which means they skip the crucial part of professional conditioning and team practices
They get to the NBA as skinny sticks because NBA teams want to hone their own house negroes to fit their own mold
Suddenly you now have an 18-19 year old stick figure getting hard contact from adult men
The pace is also faster today, if you're a slow ass 99-05 Spuds type of guy you're not making it on any AAU team
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123 cancun indeed chuck
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This bitch is dead as fuck. Guess everyone already knows what's about to happen.
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Whose jump shot would you want?
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Kitty Kat finna go to the finals
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So glad after today I never have to hear "let em know" or the awful fucking song
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>>154854614
gimme Shaun Livingston so i can be a demon in the park
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>>154854614
i want iguodala
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GODdami got elected and now the Knicks really about to be back in the Finals. He's such a good omen.
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>>154854614
My own, im the best shooter here for sure.
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I CAN FEEL IT CALLING IN THE AIR TONIGHT
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>>154854614
>give up total control of your brain for a jump shot
it's funny because lots of people would do this
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Okc is fast tracking into the trash can of history
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>>154854614
Yeah I’m sure I’ll get MJ’s midrange while sitting in my robo taxi on mars any day now
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the miz lol
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Who's your all-injury starting 5? The best players who had injuries that cut their career short
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His legacy is quitting and falling short in big games
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>>154854614
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NO FLEX
ZONE
NO FLEX
ZONE
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so i guess no game thread today since most think its a sweep?
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>>154854669
Back in my days. We just did Adderall and shot until the moon came out if we wanted to download a jumpshot form.>>154854670
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>>154854684
He never cared about winning, it was always about getting max shekels.

He doesn't care about rangz or any of that stuff, he just needs to be good enough to survive in the league and get paid bigly.
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>>154854700
i mean if you're leaveland just quit and go to cancun
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>>154854614

I don't think currys shot angle would work for me body size.
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>>154854561
I didn't compare him to players from 20 years ago though. Look at Shai for example. Does he injure his hamstring every other month? Nope
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>>154854683
PG derrick rose
SG grant hill
SF kawhi leonard
PF larry johnson
C yao ming
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What if bawbaussie is actually dellavedova?
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>>154854522
Its legit because he doesnt know how to fall, which makes the whole dialogue around it right now so stupid. He always lands awkwardly during dunks and layups and absorbs it right through his legs. The Siakam dunk and his landing afterwards is a good example.
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>let em know
>how to get swept in 4
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cavaliers in 7
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Don't make a gamethread this shit don't deserve one
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the real finals is the spurs okc match
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>>154854786
that was a nicely edited video it's funny that they're getting swept. also lol at jarrett allen coming out to the pokemon battle theme
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I know, worry about your own series, but as a Thunder fan, please Cleveland, push this to at least game 6.
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>>154854498
Pop munbled some nonsense and everyone played along
>oh yeah coach
>that thing you said
>whatever it was, we're into it
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>>154854683
Derrick Rose
Grant Hill
Kaload
Brandon Roy
Zion Williamson
that Pacers guy before Paul George
Yao Ming halfway into his career
Sabonis' dad
Not sure if Penny Hardaway and T-Mac count since they were really fucking good and were only injured in stretches
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GAMETHREAD
>>154854818
>>154854818
>>154854818
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Ohayou /nba/
The Cavs have to win at least once in the series
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>>154854816
seeing Pop's mental decline awoken the demon in them, they are desperate to win a rang for him before he starts shitting himself and doesn't know who he is.
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will the Cavs win today? analytically* of course
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>>154854804
got a good chuckle outta eurythmics of all artists getting airtime at a cleveland game of all places
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>>154854684
He should go live on twitch and call it Cleveland streamer
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>that spida three pointer
im convinced cavs winning this game
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Hol up dem cavs ain’t givin up
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>>154854800
The last time I heard that, LeGod dogwalked OKC in the finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpYoYPRNhRQ
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Is saying BAWB racist?
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tattoos are for people who are cursed.
those people will voluntarily host demons inside their bodies.
you will never see a jew do a tattoo, because they know this.
when you tattoo, you are placing a demonic entity and a curse upon you.
you are tainting your own temple.
this will weaken your guardian angel, and make you prove and vulnerable to demonic influence.
this is why a lot of people masonic and shit, and satanists all do tattoos.
currently under the veil, they identify themselves with tattoos, mostly rose tattoos, compass tattoos, one eye tattoos, tree of death(roots of tree of life) aka black tree tattoos, and images of worst aspects, be it a skull meaning death, or images of "predators" aka predators animals, be it, lions, wolf, eagles, octopuss etc. all combined with satan worship that is those hexagrans, 666 symbolism or worse.
wanna understood hidden satanic system? look for john wick 2 movie, you will understand hidden system there. try to get 4k version of the movie
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nigga harden cant shoot no mo
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>>154854895
tru
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if they are clearly losing in the 4th will the fans start leaving?
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>>154854192
this is what happens when you win by injury. next year you lose by injury

see 2024 to 2025 celtics
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the cavs havent mattered since lebron
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>>154854914
Is this your first time watching basketball?
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>>154854895
How you been ivey?
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>>154854914
why did the cavs trade for harden again?
>>154854895
What about jews tattoo in ww2
checkm8
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>>154854933
The Knicks built their team to stomp on the Celtics, the Celtics beat theirs to get past Giannis (who wasn't a threat anymore when they actually won)
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>>154854614
Shawn Marion
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>>154854763
Delly was a dawg
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Harden will retire after the game
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If knicks sweep, they gonna beat no matter who is in the west advances. Cant imagine having a whole weeks rest
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>>154854980
I doubt it. He's still a good player and someone will definitely pay him.
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>>154854980
Nah, he likes money too much
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>>154854895
>im a schizophrenic and i think ink means demons live in you
Very gay
>>154854985
Yeah that whole long rest worked gang busters for the thunder in game 1
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>>154854995
he'll go back to being the 6th man like in the OKC days
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bros had the worst alcohol withdraws this morning. Shaking, anxiety

but we're so back :D
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>>154854980
Harden go out like Simmons and just go home once he stops getting offered maxs
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>>154855031
He'd be really great in that role desu. Plus there would be no pressure on him so he could actually be good in high profile games.
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>>154854242
What the fuck is wrong with this guy
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Knicks are hell bent on a sweep going on an all time run only to rest for 9 days until the finals where they’ll be swept kek
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>>154855134
I think they can give either the Thunder or Spurs enough trouble to take the series to 6 or 7 games.
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>>154855134
Wemby or Shai can get injured
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>>154855134
Nah it'd go 6 or 7 and capable of winning it, nobody does meme 3 and D quite like the Knicks and Brunson can hero ball 4th qtrs
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>>154855156
4 or 5. 9 days off is devastating.

This is one of the most obvious cases of shooting the wad in sports history. Multiple players with career performances. This is like the 2007 Rockies it’s hilarious
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>>154855134
The NBA won't pass the chance to give Jew York their first ring in 50 years.

Oklahomo already won one and Wemby will win multiple ones in the future, this is Jew York's only chance.
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>>154855134
Knicks just have to injure wemby and they win
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>>154854980
Harden has a hundred million more dollars to earn before he hangs it up.
A championship? Would be nice, but who cares? He's not leaving that $100m on the table.
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>>154855134
They won't get swept. They're a bad matchup for the Spurs and Thunder are crippled. Either they win outright or it goes to 6/7
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>>154855134
Westies so shook
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>>154855224
Silver will order the entire knicks franchise plane to be blown out of the sky if that happens to his new toy
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You guys realize that Adam Silver works for the owners, right?
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>>154855277
Knicks are his favorite team
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>>154853246
Scottie is better sorry not sorry
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>>154855284
Well he certainly not a Bulls fan.
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>>154854840
Not sure why he's out there like that still actively campaigning for his own firing. It was already guaranteed to happen after game 1
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>>154855266
It is what it is, if they want to win a chip they gotta risk their lives
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>>154851968
Meal
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>>154853447
> makes wembustfags seethe
Kek, Thunda is 6
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Analytically, Jokic is about to win his 3rd ring.
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>>154855310
drink?
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>>154855310
>Mealanon eating fruit
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>>154854026
Mike Brown exposed Thibs hard. Mike Brown would have buck broken Halibum instead of doing JJ reddit retarded shit like spamming their starters until they broke down.
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>>154855322
Are these the same algorithms that david sterns is using for the mets.
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What’s worse, a Brunson ring following an sga ring or a back to back sga ring?
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>>154854614
give me the draymond backpack jumper with the draymond crashout package so I can stomp on niggas in the park
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>>154855032
You better go delete that tweet you posted last night Draymond
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Why did Cleveland gave up?
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>>154855310
based
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>>154855353
Brunson ring is good for Lukek slander, SGA ring is good for nothing in this world
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>>154855353
SGA, at least Bumson ring will be another mark against Lukek's career since his two sidekicks won one before him.
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>rig against the Pistons in order to advance the Cavs and their "star power" for better ratings
>lose out on 2-3 games of revenue because every game is a lopsided rape and you don't have the balls to do what Stern did in 2000/2002 to have the refs overcome 20 point deficits
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Oof GGs
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OVER ALREADY
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>>154855389
>>154855390
So my goat luka really was the problem... this is very unsettling
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ISSSS OVVVVVAAAAAAAAA
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>>154855374
Ever been to Cleveland? It's just in the city's DNA and rubs off onto all their sports teams
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>james harden will get us over the hump!
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Cavs are pathetic, Knicks are legit
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>>154855293
>meanwhile in reality
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>>154855414
kek
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>>154855414
this nigga was really talm bout his shrimp dick under his full government name
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If I'm Dan Gilbert I get my ass out on the court and personally fire Kenny Atkinson the second that the game ends.
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>>154855445
> put up empty stats but never won without Scottie
Not even 1 series, not even 1.
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>>154854684
Something Harden and Lebriq have in common
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It’s actually logic defying how this is happening with NY.

The greatest team on paper ever assembled the 2017 warriors started 15-0. Even that team lost multiple first halfs on the road while sweeping the blazers, jazz, spurs. The Knicks are winning basically every game wire to wire by 20+ points

The result is their wad is shot one round too early
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>>154855490
LeBron did something Jordan never could
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What a waste of time the entire eastern conference has been this season :)
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Cavs would be better with bron
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>>154855499
weak conference in an already weak league so
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Oh God make it stop
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BRO
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Good luck, Knicks fags.
See you in the ECF next year.
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Cavs couldn't even muster up the last bit of motivation to prevent a sweep. Pathetic.
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>>154855499
says more about the state of the east than anything. Let's not forget that the cavs went 7 vs a half dead leaf team with no bigs and a 1 dimensional piston team
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>NBA finalists NY Knicks

I hope it's Spurs on the other side so we can get mexicans fighting other mexicans outside MSG
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Ok I'm getting worried the Knicks might even the series, analytics has us down 17 points.
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Cavs...GET UP
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holy shit of all the games ive watched this playoffs this is the most pathetic are the cavs asleep?
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I will take a battle tested high intensity slightly exhausted meat grinder escaping Wemba and co. over a rested knicks that were on cruise control all yoffs
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The league has a Jew York stopper... his name is wemGOAT
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>>154855499
Knicks got Danhausen
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>>154855549
They got no dawg, it's over
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I at least expected the cavs to win today lol
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>>154855551
>he didn't watch Knicks-Hawks game 6
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>>154855483
Just a gold medal as an amateur against roided commie professionals and the game winning shot of the ncaa tourney as a freshman
But I do think pippen is better than LeBron so we can agree on that
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wtf am I seeing? are the knicks really that good?
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WHAT THE FUCK.

I went to take out the trash and it’s now a 20 point blowout
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>>154855505
Lose 5 series as higher seed?
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1-2-3-CANCUN
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>>154855551
>cavs asleep
as asleep as Robinsons hands have been so far so yes. guy cant catch shit.
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>>154855596
No, the East is just that ass. I'm convinced the Pacers without Hali would have made the conference finals if they hadn't decided to tank.
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If knicks get blown out in the finals than the east will never recover from the shame
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I just put most of my savings on the Knicks to win the finals. I don’t care who comes out west. They’ll be tired and injured. Knicks are fresh and guns blazing.
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chuck should just read 5 star reviews of the best resorts in cancun during the half, no need for any analysis nonsense
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HOLY SHIT I GOT ONE
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watching's Brunson lil ass trying to heroball into the paint then runnin back out again to chuck some bullshit once he sees Wemby waiting there gon be funny
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Spike Lee all giggly
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Arena's gonna be empty before halftime KWAB.
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>>154855650
Post slip
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VERY EVIL
VERY NICE
VERY EVIL
VERY NICE
VERY EVIL
VERY NICE
VERY EVIL
VERY NICE
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>>154855654
>luka
>dallas
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>>154855650
>Knicks are fresh
this is never a good thing, rested OKC got belt in game 1 from a warmed up Spurs
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THIRTY POINTS(30 PTS)
>THIRTY POINTS(30 PTS)
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>>154855650
>tired and injured
Tired, injured, and actually good.* A week off is the last thing a team as hot as the Knicks should want anyway.
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Westies trembling itt
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>>154855690
Knicks were off for 10 days and wom game 1 of this series retard
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>clevelanders really spent money to watch their team get BTFO and swept
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So literally every team in the east except for the Knicks were frauds?
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>>154854980
Someone give him a MMA glove so he can literally drop it on the floor and say his goodbyes to the world.

>>154855551
This is the most pathetic sweep of all time, SPORTS.
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>>154855721
just like we were for the past 79 years right lil eastpup?
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>The Hawks gave up
>The 76ers gave up
>The Cavs gave up
Why did they all gave up
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>>154855730
They looked like shit for most of the game
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>>154855739
Knicks were frauds too. Sleepwalked their way through the season and then came into the playoffs healthy with two separate entirely new offensive systems they hadn't shown before. Fraudulent 3 seed.
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Wembanyama fell to his knees when he saw the score.

Also the Cavs winning Game 1 was meaningless. They were gonna lose every other game. I don’t care if they would’ve been more motivated or had the momentum. Knicks were just rusty.
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>>154855746
>we
Sybau Nigel
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>>154855730
Now do it against the first good team you'll meet all playoffs lol
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>>154855739
We will find out if knicks are frauds in the finals
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>Cleveland...I'm coming home
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Cavs giving up and dead crowds in the playoffs/conference finals is a symptom of a dead society

Teams used to have fight and the idea of quitting for 4 straight games was unthinkable. Energy during the playoffs and conf finals used to jump off the screen. There was gravity you could feel. Now fans sit on their hands in every arena filled with zombified zoomers brain rotted on their phones and old decaying boomers

It’s over.
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How do Cavs fans not drink themselves to death? Every team they have sucks or is frauds. Their biggest hopes are Evan Mobley and Deshaun Watson
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>>154855596
the Least at it again, but the knicks also finally began to utilize and run the offense through Bodega KAT instead of bumson and now they are making quick work of the fraud conference.
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reminder that LeGOD won this trash ass franchise a ring
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HOW DID THE PISTONS LOST TO THE CAVS?!?!?!?
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How does a team make it to the conference finals with absolutely no grit. How are they so soft.
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>>154855813
Cade and Duren were injured
100%
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>>154855799
they know that the Return of the King is imminent
>>154855807
only the King can save the Land
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>tfw have lived to see a knicks finals run
>tfw its probably gonna be a rematch from the last knicks finals run
>tfw its probably going to end the exact same way as the last knocks finals run
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>>154855821
leastern cuckference has a make a wish conference finals run every year.
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>>154855813
Pistons were paper tigers all along.
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>>154855813
Cade turned the ball over 30 times, Bickertard played Duren, who is ass
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Remember all these cocky retard pistons fans who thought we were scared of them. No you dumb fucks. You would’ve got swept too! You went to 7 against the Magic and Cavs you fucking bums. Fuck Detroit.
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>>154855780
they haven't lost a playoff game in over a month, to call them frauds is just retarded. the pistons are frauds
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jew yorkers wont even get to see them kek
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>>154855834
kek, then another 27 year drought like the gaycers while the Spurs have another dynasty. KWAB
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going out by getting blownout isn't ideal
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>>154855856
We will see in the finals, truth is the fraud watch never ends till the last team standing
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Damn the Hawks were the only ones that drew blood out of the Knicks
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Analytically the Knicks are winning this one but it's fine, because the Cavs are up 3-0 and can afford to drop one
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analytically and spirtually this series is dead even 2-2
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KNICK
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The only better defender the Cavs have over the spurs and Thunder is Evan Mobley at PF. Jarret Allen is soft and makes Chet look like he has pound of muscle. Max strus does has energy but no one takes him seriously enough to be a defensive threat. Donovan Mitchell and harden are cones. It’s not gonna be as easy sooooo
KNICKS IN 6 BITCHES
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James Harden is the worst thing that has happened in the NBA after LeBronze
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knicksrabbis have no counter for the spurs nuns blessing. they vanquished the sodomites in okc and theyll do the same to the christ killers
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>>154855799
Got one title at least. Still feels recent enough to not be sad when the current team loses. The Indians keep making the playoffs and it being luckswing youd think one of their lotto tickets will pay off
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OKC is nothing more than a vehicle to push the gay agenda on the youth
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>>154855944
people blame the warriors for the 3ball era but it was the larden/dantoni rockets that brought the
>shoot a 3 or flop for a foul
gameplan to the league
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That first game broke the cavs
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>>154855960
The gay youth are nothing more than a vehicle to push OKC.
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>>154855858
It is cheaper to fly to away games than games at msg.
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>>154855946
Spurspics aren't even getting past Israeloma Thunder
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>>154855858
How much is the estimate if its on the Thunder/Spurs' arena?
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grats to the knicks but damn the eastern conference was hot garbage this year
can't wait for Hali to come back
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I’ve been building these teams for an hour and can’t even get close to an 82-0
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>>154855858
>Mission Impossible scenario where a team of cheapstakes try to break into MSG to watch the game for free
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>>154856001
Based.
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whats with the commentators mentioning the amount of years the refs have been officiating and how they're "le best of le best"? no one actually believes that shit
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knicks drought ends this year
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>>154856001
halibitch is DONE
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chuck cooked them
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>>154856001
>cannot beat the smelltics
>bragging at all
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>>154856001
What hali did to new york will not be forgotten
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>>154855823
If I’m LA I take bronnys option and hold him hostage for a first when I kick LeBron to the curb
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>>154856088
Like Taytum was done? Tyreese will actually have 18 months of rest for his achilles.
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>>154856016
My first two attempts I got Portland in the 20s as the first spin so I did it two more times and said fuck it. Are you doing the with stats, I was doing the without stats and admittedly was not familiar with 60s Washington bullets
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>>154856088
he better not be, or the eastern conference is just washed
bum championships or something
nobody wants to watch that shit
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>>154856255
I’m going by stats almost entirely, favoring versatile players early on in case I get someone better later on and can switch them into position. I keep getting 70s Cavs and Pacers that’s dragging me down
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honestly knicks vs spurs would be pretty soul
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>>154856255
>>154856331
Whats that even?
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>>154856340
Not really. Knickers easily win that.
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>>154856378
Why do people keep saying this? I’m trying to understand ball
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>>154856444
Knicks will kill wemby then get a easy sweep
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>Get traded from the Nova Knicks despite being one of their best playoff performers
>Get sent to fucking Minnesota
>Tear your ACL or Achilles or whatever
>The Nova Knicks go on to win without you
Poor Divo
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>>154856444
Here’s the breakdown
>spurs
>fox and Harper are hobbled
>they don’t have any large forwards

Knicks
>have large forwards
>kat shoooting brings Wemby out of the paint. If they leave Hart open he’ll kill them game 1 Caruso style


The only chance the spurs have is if Brunson and KAT revert back to their shitty defensive versions. Because right now they’re pushing above their weight class defensively.
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Knickerbockers year
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>>154856444
Knickers have beaten the Spurs in some high-profile games (x-mas, NBA cup final) and always play them super competitively.

The Knicks have just about the perfect roster to minimize Wemby's impact. They can go 5 out with all good players. They have a pair of hyper-physical 7-footers to stick on Wemby, and KAT is a huge mismatch on the other end with his shooting ability. Knicks have the defensive and quick wings to keep up with the Spurs guards.
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MY Knicks are going to the finals. I can't believe this day finally came bros!
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>>154856444
The spurs dont have an answer to kat running the offense out of the top of the key or his shooting that will pull wembanyama out of the paint and all the knicks are white hot snipers right now
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If you get swept in a conference finals your team deserves to be nuked because it's supposed to be the highest level of ball but the cavs somehow stumbled their way into it :)
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Man that choke really killed the Cavs didnt it
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>>154856555
Right. This is all true. As a Knicks fans, it’s astounding how casual most nba fans are. We still have retards saying “the finals winner will be decided in the WCF”, as if the spurs are this next level legendary team that has dominated the Knicks.
Can’t wait for these dumb retards to learn actual basketball if we get to play the spurs.
Thunder…that’s another story.
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knicks should be going for a 3 peat but the bitch ass celtics and pacers exist with their luck ball
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>>154856562
Man now I gotta watch basketball
I've always said the only time I'll watch is when the Knicks are in the finals
I don't wanna watch this shit
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>>154856582
How much of this is on the coaching? They don’t seem to be making any meaningful adjustments.
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knicks actually can fuck up OKC and Spurs
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>Brunson is gonna win a ring and FMVP before Luka
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I want OKC in the finals because I’m a Knicks hater (guess my team). I don’t trust the spurs to do the job. I want the Knicks to get embarrassed.
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>>154856609
Werent Cavs leading by a lot in game 1 and fucked it all up in the 4th quarter. Maybe they're still demoralized after that
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>>154856637
The cavs only went up because the knicks stopped playing offense for 2 quarters and started jacking up terrible long balls. This shits all riggi gambling fraudy
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>Pistons lost to this dogshit cavs team
What a fucking waste of a conference finals
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what's next for the cleveland steamers?
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>>154856630
OKC has no chance without AJ or Jdub
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>>154856618
Brunson is 29 so it's not that bad. Wemby would be way worse
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The game/series isnt over yet you imbeciles
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>>154856674
Yes they do. Chet is only playing bad because he’s against Wemby. He’ll go superstar against the Knicks.
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>>154856661
This but my rapshits, what a fucking waste
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>>154856684
lmao its over bruh
harden can't win with these cats
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>>154856684
I mean… yeah it is.
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Cavs really thought Larden could save them
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>>154856674
dub only played like 4 games so far. He hasnt been a key contributor this time
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>>154856752
Doesn't matter, not having another ball handler to take pressure off of Shai makes the Thunder easy to beat.
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Can we take a minute to laugh at the Hawks who sat players to intentionally lose game to get a lower seed and play the Knicks. They probably would have made the conference finals if they had the Raptors seed.
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>>154856752
Hes has the capability to be a key contributor, people really underestimate his impact
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#LetEmKnow
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man i cashed out my parley and it hits
fuck thats the worst
when did tyson get his second assist
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>>154856681
Wemby didn’t play on the same team as Luka
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>no more Chuck, Shaw and Ernie in the Finals
JUST
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WE GOT OG
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3 groups of FAGGOTS down one group of FAGGOTS left
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KAT is gonna GAPE wemgumby
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KAT is truly insane, hes really getting a fmvp
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>>154856661
Newsflash the Pistons are ass, a collection of athletic tall people who dont know how to play basketball
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>>154856795
based chuckster
total fucking meltdown from mitchell and the cavs
legitimately - how did they beat Detroit?
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Is this Knicks team the greatest team in NBA history?
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Why does god hate James harden so much?
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>>154856795
welcome to the raptors donovan bitchell
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>>154856847
Sure.
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The Knicks had a stacked roster lat year but Thibs is a retard. Then this season they underachieved/coasted all regular season. Like going off of rosters, the Knicks beating the Cavs in the ECF was the predicted outcome pre-season. Pistons+Celtics were tryhard regular season teams, everyone else is ass.
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>>154856562
We got OG
You guys are welcomed
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Can the Cavs come back to win?
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>bitchell
>playoff harden
>tissue paper ass big men
>bench full of BAWBs
>The Great Johnnie Bryant assistant coaching
Gtfoh
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Why did the cavs gave up
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wow this is sad
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Man, what a massacre.
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>>154856859
He deserves it for being the biggest cancer in the league from 2017-2021
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My nigga Kolek
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No fucking way my rapshits lost to this
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Write your apology to Mike Brown
I'll make sure he sees it.
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>>154856836
your zesty nigga ain't gonna do SHIT against wembGOAT
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>>154856932
If you guys had IQ or BI you would’ve won
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>>154856932
our rapturds would bootyblast both these shit teams ngl
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>>154856943
DEAR
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Garbage time with 8 minutes to go in an elimination game
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>>154856943
I am sorry I ever said those bawbs, Thibs, Snyder, Nurse or Atkinson were better than you. I thought that the Kings being ass was your fault and not obvious due to the fact that the Kings are generational ass.
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>>154856943
lol fuck thibs
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>>154856672
Max 5 year contract for da spida
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>>154856943
I was a Thibs truther... i'll admit it
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>>154856943
fuck this nigga
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>>154856882
>Thibs is a retard!!
Wrong. Brown's flexibility is what allows the Knicks to do THIS but Thibs could probably have made the Finals with this roster.
In order:
>2021
Knicks had ONE good player (Randle) who choked and their best player vs Atlanta was the corpse of Drose
>2022
Implosion because of the bad roster
>2023
Lost in 2nd round, would have beaten the Heat if Randle hadn't had a bum ankle all playoffs. Also had no fucking bench
>2024
January Knicks did this exact same shit we're seeing in these Playoffs for the entire month after getting OG. Lost without
>Randle
>Robinson
>OG
and several bench pieces. By the final game IHart was hurt and Brunson broke his fucking hand in the 3rd
>2025
Knicks reached the ECF but also had an injured Shamet and Robinson, and also a brand new roster after the KAT trade and ALSO had the literal worst bench in the entire league, most of whom did not return this season
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>3-pointers: 8/35
>3-point%: 22.9
damn
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Why does Harden always put up this exact same stat line in game 7s?
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>Cavs have the highest payroll
holy failure
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What would you rate the playoffs so far?
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>lames harden
Kek!
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it's honestly the knicks year
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>>154857006
33 POINTS
12 ASSISTS
PLAYOFF HARDEN CAN'T WIN WITH THESE CATS
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>>154857006
The basketball powers hate him for flopping.
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>>154857006
Being a professional athlete is all about consistency
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>>154857006
quiet quitting
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>>154857024
>two biggest salaries are the biggest playoff chokers in the entire NBA
Kwaboty
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>>154857025
8/10 if we're talking WC
2/10 if we're talking EC
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New
>>154857109
>>154857109
>>154857109
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>>154857006
If you count the minutes played it's a double-double.
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>>154856996
The 25-26 squad is not THAT much better than the 24-25 squad. Brown is clearly the better coach for this specific group.
But you are correct that Thibs best chances were ruined by injury.
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These niggas couldn’t even win one game?
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>>154857253
Yup KWAB
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lmao @ da land
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>>154855939
Knicks came into this bitch like Omar with a shotgun.
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>>154857253
They were complete ass and rightfully got a beating.
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>>154856672
Moving the team to Pittsburgh
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LeBron is the GOAT
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>>154857483
trvke
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>>154856943
Mike Brown my fear was thibs 2.0 but you turned out to be the greatest Knick coach in my lifetime
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Knicks are actually going to NBA Finals. God damn.
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>>154856943
I thought you were a panic hire after Thibs was fired. I'm sorry.
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>>154854895
trashy jews get tattoos just like anyone else, but you're right - the high end "connected" jews never get them for any reason.



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