How about a combined league Would be comfortably the 2nd best in EuropeFrance and Germany isn’t far apart Paris and Bayern Fans would finally be able to have interesting Football before AprilNasser Al Khalifi is our only hope. He'd be the only person whom I could see come up with such a idea cause he's at least ambitious.
>>154859334>English is an official language in his country>this is his postShameful. Maybe open a Telugu 4chan o algo
>>154859334Horrible take
We already tried to make this happen, but weren't allowed.
>>154859334pgmol would rig it so arsenal somehow win this league
>>154859351>>154859390So like, What is the counter-argument? This isn't just some intra-continental, money-making gimmick, so fan culture shouldn't theoretically be affected. Commuting would also be fairly simple since both France and Germany are part of the Schengen Area, allowing fans to travel to neighboring countries by road without stopping at border controls.The only potential downside is that the lower-seeded teams from both leagues might struggle to make the cut. However, I would argue that being part of a more competitive and profitable league would actually drive these lower-ranked clubs to become more competitive. Ultimately, it allows them to claim a share of a much larger pie built on a superior league.
Hear me out /sp/... WORLD LEAGUE...
>>154859450that's the essence of club world cup though
>>154859446The counter argument is that German fans are satisfied with their league system and would never go for it, they didn't like the super league and wouldn't like this either. I agree with you that eventually cross border domestic leagues are going to form in continental Europe because they have no hope of competing long term with the Prem without them, but when it happens it won't be with Germany.
>>154859334would you have anything to do with the paki, my indian fren ?it's the same thing for us
>>154859334How about fuck off. No to internationalism, supranationalism, and globalism.If anything, most European countries should be split at least once from its regions seeking independence.
>>154859334How about we combine India, Pakistan a Bangladesh, you're all the same anyways.While we're at it, a national holiday celebrating it where the entire population of all 3 combined nation gather in the center of this new monolith and China does us a favor by nuking you off the face of the earth.
Saar redeem the super league SAAR
Not the worst idea. It's more important that Benelux form a league and Austria and Switzerland too. Scotland and Portugal would be the ultimate high IQ solution that would completely discombobulate the plebs
Because Monaco plays in France UEFA does ultimately have no argument to thwart these efforts
>>154860512>Scotland and PortugalThe traveling costs would completely bankrupt most teams in Portugal outside the big 4.
>>154860542The pie would be much bigger and travel costs could be paid by the new league (which gets more CL spots)
>What if, instead of two major leagues to watch, there was only one?
>>154860512ATLANTIC LEAGUE>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_League_(football)
I can only speak for Germany but apart from Bayern and to a lesser degree Dortmund all German clubs fanbases are from the area the club plays in and so local rivalries are much more important. Playing against PSG is just no attractive or meaningful. I'd assume it's the same for France, what would a Lille fan get out of playing against Gladbach? This is really just about Bayern and PSG being soullesd globalists who have outgrown their leagues. The EPL should take them in.
>>154859334I usually don't do ad-personam arguments, but this time OP deserves it:>SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>154859446The counter argument is that part of the whole point of a league is competition within bounds that matter. Both countries are old with a deeply ingrained history and culture. As a Franfurt chad I simply do not care about winning against Lille. These people dont even speak the same language as me so whats the fucking point? This is what new-worlders or babbycountries like """India""" never understand. Its not about winning. It about winning against people you care about.
>>154859334Purely economically speaking, this might work. At first glance, at least. Taking the more competitive clubs from both leagues would create a stronger league, yeahBut culture destroys the plan. Germany and France are not mortal enemies anymore, but of course there still is some degree of rivalry left. However, German football fans are not interested in French clubs in a league-scenario. Gladbach fans want to win against Köln, Leverkusen, Düsseldorf, Aachen, Duisburg, Essen, and the big clubs from beyond their region. The big German clubs, that is, because they share history and language with them. Lyon and Monaco are foreign to them, and not only when it comes to the passports. And I am sure this also applies the other way round. Domestic interest would be lower than you think. People usually want to keep their national league, their national traditions. That includes football heritage
>European League with pro/rel and all teams are wholly composed of domestic players>current set up of European footballwhich would you choose, /sp/?
>>154862061What does "domestic players" mean in that context? And does the European League replace either the CL or the national leagues? It kind of lingers in both spheres
>>154862138i means they're all homegrownit would replace both of them. just have like 24 games for each club total then playoffs. something like that. then you could have internationals in one block and a couple of big breaks to build excitement for football
>>154862227How would this European League be formed? Would the international structure extend below that first tier as well?Generally speaking, I am against it so far since I think my club is "on the up" a bit, and this would likely bury them in the nowhere zone again. I also don't want to give up national league tradition in general. And I think there'll never be the possibility of an all-homegrown team, let alone an entire league - while a European League is possible to implement, but then it'd be the most globohomo marketing garbage imaginable. It seems like an inferior product for anyone who isn't a non-yuropean bandwagoner to me, as fucked as the current structure may be (it really is)
>>154862280>How would this European League be formed? Would the international structure extend below that first tier as well?just like a regular domestic league. yeah maybe you could make it 3 tiers of 32 clubs each>And I think there'll never be the possibility of an all-homegrown team, let alone an entire leaguewhy not? you could easily have german teams be all german and spanish teams be all spanish. no-one would be at a disadvantage because we would all play by the same rules>It seems like an inferior product for anyone who isn't a non-yuropean bandwagoner to mecompletely german teams albeit in a european system isn't better to what you have now? we could also more easily implement financial controls too since there would be only 1 league
>>154862312>32 clubs eachIs this supposed to be this Swiss system garbage we see in the CL already?>why not?Because no club will ever agree to this. I can at least imagine some push for international leagues, but clubs will never allow such a profound change limiting their options. Personally, I don't absolutely need fully German teams either, I'd just be for a pre-Bosman-like quota. Say, the majority (6) players on the pitch of a team have to be from said country. That would be enough for me. I wouldn't mind it being more, but I'm okay with having some foreigners on teams, there's no reason to be against that as long as clubs aren't fully foreign mercenaries>completely german teams albeit in a european system isn't better to what you have now?Not necessarily, no. I like our countries and their leagues and their history and fan culture, I like the additional international level of football. And as i said, I don't mind teams having some foreigners as long as they aren't too dominant. My problem primarily is with the balance of power. I think a European league could be likely to worsen that - financial controls would be good, of course
>>154859334i think they already tried that in the 40s
>>154859334Actually a great idea. Ligue 1 and bundes are easily the weaker leagues, so merging them would be an improvement, and I might actually watch it.You aight, ranjeet
>>154861849It's not as if we are instantly killing off local rivalries and derbies. You can still have them; your clubs just need to be competent enough to make the cut in a higher-paying league. Even today, local derbies only account for a fraction of the matches a team plays in a season. In many cases, a team's historical rivals are stuck in entirely different tiers, forcing clubs to play against opponents with whom they share zero history. Yet, no one uses that as an argument against the current system because the current format makes logical sense.This is also completely ignoring the potential for new rivalries to develop. Think about it: most top Champions League sides initially shared little to no history with one another, but today, their clashes are some of the most celebrated events in world football.
>there are an estimated 4,000 professional football clubs across the world>everyone plays eachother twice (home and away) for a 7,998 game season>Games are played 3pm Saturday, England time to keep things fair>in the year 2180, the season concludes and the overall champion of Football is declared>by then, we will have invented a new spot for the world to adopt and we'll move onto that, assuming global warming hasn't killed us all
>>154859334what would make the Bundes better is their stupid promotion/relegation tactic they have to keep the top teams in the top flight.> bottom 3, yer outta therethis whole playoff between the top of B2 and bottom of B1 is dumb, and dare I say it, "the R word" even.Sunderland was in League 1 in 2022. Now they're playing in Europe next season. If they had some faux barrier to entry to deal with, the cream wouldn't be rising to the top now would it? > *camera pans to a bunch of schnitzel eaters*
>>154861687We can now see they were correct. Ajax and Celtic strength as a club gets eroded every year and no amount of effort can stop it unless they are part of a bigger market
The solution to this problem was proposed and thwarted because Fifa doesn't allow any competition to their hegemony. If I remember correctly Fifa officially announced to ban every player from their leagues if they participate in the proposed super league.>>154861914>it's not about winningtypical loser mentality
>>154875190Scottish FA and football in general is in shambles. Scottish League should be incorporated into the EFL to financially save it. Let them all start in the National League and have them run the gauntlet getting to the PL. Personally, I think Rangers, Celtic, and now Hearts would have a tough time getting top 8 in the Championship.They would make 100x the money they are now, even without Europe.
>>154875235Just like here all the local chieftains want to hold on to their power. So everyone will continue to get buttfucked by the big 5 leagues
