Can anybody give me a non-meme answer as to why they've fallen off so much in soccer? I thought that was all they did down there
More like a volleyball nation, la'
>>155278163bbc o algo
They're currently ranked #6 in the world.
talent gap is much more compressed nowadays, it's that simple. brazil didn't get worse imo, everyone else just got better.
>>155278163>>155272615
>>155278163They havent. Football is just more competitive. Brazil are still a good team with great players.
>>155278219no, brazil is worse
Cat curse. If Chicago provides any indicator for animal-based sports curses, this could last for decades.
Bolsanomics improve every social metric. Favelas now are good and nice place to live. Children go to school and grow up to be doctors or entrepreuners. No need to escape poverty kicking a ball
>>155278201How the fuck is Morocco that hight?
>>155278163>>1552782016th vs 7th world rank, draw was the expected outcome
>>155278163not enough military dictatorships to make life struggle-laden. too much bolsa and favela tourism.
>>155278163Golden age is done, by at least a good 18 years, it's not coming back either. Our niggers used to love the sport, now they can barely wait to get picked up by Real Madrid when they're 18 to make their millions.Add the fact that the sport itself has been optimized, I.E most of the fun and player agency has been neutered in lieu of tactics. It's unironically over for us.
>>155278163>non-meme answeryou're on the wrong place for this buddy, just talk to chatGPT if you want a meaningful answer
>>155278163>no decent defenders>squad is not used to playing together>generally players that have used their status to get in (raphinha, paquetá, casemiro)>youngster getting benched for old fartsneymar literally carrying the national team since 2011 hid the how bad these defenders and midfielders have gotten
>>155278163rest of the world caught up and overtook them
>>155278257Fifa ranking is a meme. But they had a huge boost by reaching the african nations championship finals
>>155278163>fallen offthey're 6th per capita in soccer
They don't produce good fullbacks anymore and their forward is now an obese favelado who can't even control the ball.
>>155278294yes but this happened because we found another source of bucks. People who come from unfree and poor places are always the best at sport.
>>155278328>per capitahe said non-meme answer, zuttkaner
>>155278219No, Brazil is much much worse
>>1552781631982 was the last time they were actually good good
>>155278354cope, you learn your place (below hated france and hated germany)
it's very easy to tell who is underage b& in here. if you saw brazil when they were good you wouldn't be making faggy stats arguments
>>155278401>everyone who isn't old like me is underaged o algo
>>155278163Because CBF ( brazilian football federation) is a corrupt and totaly owned by a small group of businessman with contracts with Nike and other major companies who are the ones calling the shots on which players will be playing in the national team..
>>155278163all answers are meme answers
>>155278163social media
>>155278163We haven't. We've been making it to quarters and semis every world cup. Only retards who think Brazil must win every world cup thinks we've fallen off.We would have won in 2022 btw if it wasnt for idiot Fred and idiot Tite for picking him.
>>155278163They rigged Ancelotti's call-up list. That's the straight-up truth.
>>155278441based nike keeping hues cucked and seethingand based them for putting an NBA cuckstamp on your jerseybricszilians learn their place
>>155278500>he believes thatlollmao, even
>>155278163I am 50 yo. Here is the non-meme answer:>world cups favor national teams whose players are enlisted from clubs that play nationally (i.e: the entire attack from Germany in 2014 were german players from the same club). When brazilian players are a ragtag from players who have played in every league, from Argentina to China, they can barely coordinate>brazilians are just not as good at football as they used to be, when football was played mostly by kids having fun. Increasingly, football has become systematized and elitecized, major players come from families of major football players (see Neymar Jr)>brazilian talent is recruited ever younger and sent to play in less competitive leagues, brazilian players used to be forged in hellfire (as the brazilian leagues used to be), now they are just brought to Series D of the UK when they are 14 yo and end up playing for Bradford against people who barely know what a ball is>Brazilian politics harm football, and there is far too much conflict of interest by local clubs, government, sponsors, veterans of the sport and media trying to push specific athletes due to their brand rather than tactical utility (Neymar Jr has NO BUSINESS being in this world cup, yet he was called up over better young talent)>trainers do not know brazilian talent well (coaches are also far worse today than in the 90s, result from coaches working more abroad than dealing with brazilian teams. The current coach is an italian whom no one understands)>the morale is terribly low. Brazilians enter the arena scared. This is true. We have never been the same after 2014, there is an open wound in the culture of the club that can only heal with the very same Hexa that it impedes>football is, gradually, losing appeal. It is not as bad as Italy, that just doesn't have the youth to compete anymore, but football used to be thr most brazilian thing back in the early 2000s and 1990s. Now, brazilians are growing bored of it, they prefer videogames
our new generation players are midit's the fault of youth academies, which prioritized putting potencial talented players in positions that generate more money from sales, like wingers the result: mediocre wingers that could have been good fullbacks, midfielders and strikers
>>155278163Evangelicals became the majority of players, only Marquinhos, the current captain of two-time UCL champions PSG, is Catholic.
>>155278542I hate america so much is unreal..Hopefuly Russia and china will take care of you in the coming ww3 thoughnothing personal though :)
>>155278385Retarded take.Late 90s and early 00s Brazil is the most player stacked nation in history
>>155278598Holy shitThat's crazy
>>155278580This is the correct answer. I'll add that historically our team has always relied more on individual talent over tactics and team play, and combined with your points, you can see how we've failed to nurture a pool of talents for most positions.
>>155278549Name a single national team that is expected to win every WC and if they don't everyone says is over and they're shit.Brazilians need to stop expecting the fucking win everytime.
>>155278610two more weeks until america collapses joao
>>155278580it sounds like you should stop letting europeans cuck your players from you? that's why you haven't won a CWC in 13 years (despite europeans not caring about it at all and brazilians all playing their heart out to win it)
>>155278598based if true but probably notprotestantzil is healing tho
>muh fallen off>always on the quarters or above>get parked the bus by every team in the world, lose to penalty merchants >meanwhile germany hasn't come out of the group stage in over a decade and italy has vanished from the competitionamericans shouldn't be allowed to talk about football before officially changing how they call it
>>155278679why does that correlate to the fact the we're fucking garbage?
>>155278775It's not based you mutt slave animal
7-1Seriously though its because the Brazilian state is a fucking mess than it probably was under the dictators
>>155278750that's not how it works you fucking retard. big clubs come in with a paycheck and they take the players, that's all there is to it.
>>155278806seething papist
>>155278821didn't you literally legally prevent pele from leaving?you want to send players to UEFA clubs to "own the firsties" and then get cucked in the world cup as a result
>>155278163The Brazilian Football Confederacy (CBF) has been used as a political tool since the 2000s, there's a massively corrupt judge (Gilmar Mendes) who personally appoints their chairman, despite CBF having "elections", he is, of course, a socialist.Not to mention the instagramfication of the sport since Neymar became the biggest brazilian player in 2010, the players don't care about the World Cup like they did in the 90s.
>>155278775evangelicans aren't protestants, they aren't even Christians to began with.
>>155278868>brazil being ruined by corrupt judgeswhoa!
>>155278850The players themselves and the clubs that own them want it to happen, no one cares about the NT anymore. Every 4 years people will seethe about it over here but the players themselves could not care less.
>>155278775>muh line wishful thinkingit's been registered that evangelicucks have reached their ceiling and are receding because everyone US and israel keep killing children and evangelicals constantly embarrass themselves as the lowest IQ demographic. sports
>>155278883cope, this is an act of blasphemy commited by brazil as a nation state which precludes any brazilian from getting uppity about what is or is not christianit's all syncretic horse shit anyway in latin america
Poverty is an advantage when the sport is not very professional, but as it becomes more and more reliant on technology and money, poverty becomes an obstacle.
>commiezilians seething about protestants against>its daaaa jooos o algohe reminds them
>>155278926Brazil will outlast the US because you're country is even more full of cucked slaves like you lolYou're the one collapsing and coping here buddy
>>155278942true, soccer prior to American Analytics was basically plumberball. It's only in the last ~10 years since we got Invested in the sport and Big American Statistics and Analysis came to your sport that competition has actually taken off
>>155278959>let me tell you about your countryyou think you're smart but you're just showing off to be dumber than monkeys
>>155278750We are a poor country, and foreigners come in with a fat check for the club and the player that they can't refuse.Pelé had to be prohibited by the GOVERNMENT from playing outside Brazil, because he would have 100% left if we hadn't forced him to stay. Nowadays, this is unconstitutional.Brazil used to be hardcore about winning championships. These days, we are so defeated by democracy that we just let capitalism run its course, and let foreign clubs with more money take our talent then return them once players are old.Lula tried to do something about this back in the 2000s, but (as you can see), stern words make no difference because we just don't have the money to stop Al Nasr or Real Madrid from buying everyone mildly decent.FFS, we have foreign scouts here watching our players play in children's championships in Rio. The foreigners just lurk in our playgrounds, trying to snatch our talent before they are too old to demand more money.Football is a money game. And we don't have money.
>>155278163Unironically, the only way to save the Seleção is by picking 23 literal whos who play in Brasileirão. All those fucks who got bought off to play Europe and Saudi Arabia and so on no longer have any passion for the country, all they want is money.
>>155278926you write like a retarded
*kills your NT
>>155279452Pretty much. The moment brazilians got access to videogames, boys got bored of kicking a ball under the warm Sun and went on to play in MOBA leagues.There is right now more brazilians dreaming of making it big in League of Legends than in football.
>>155278971I assure you favelabro that we are not collapsing.
>>155278163you would be surprised, but we are in civilizational decline since 2008.
>>155280064>2008You mean 1889.
>>155280127Would the monarchy even change anything, it's not like it helped Europe
Most youth academies in Brazil are complete shit. We're way behind pretty much every major European footballing nation in terms of youth development and this is further accentuated by the fact that many of our big clubs focus on producing wingers and strikers to sell at higher profits for the European market. Forwards are more profitable than defenders and most midfielders.
>>155278775Blame the Brazilian Catholic Church for choosing to go full communist in the last 20 years
>>155278163I think they lost their way in the modern game. Football today is driven by data and autistically analyzing and optimizing everything. The Brazilian football everyone thinks of was free-flowing and spontaneous. This doesn't work anymore. So they kind of copied European systems, but that's just not their thing either. Also, there is now an entire business industry around "Brazilian talents" that doesn't care about actually developign anyone (only about selling), and they probably are quite corruptBut Brazil still has a lot of talent, they will never suck
>>155280173Probably not but the republic has certainly failed.
>>155280127No, we have a golden age from 1930 until 1958, than a silver age from 1958 to 1980, then a bronze age from 1980 to 1994, then a sort of an iron age from 1994 to 2008 and now we are beyond event horizon.
>>155279890Sorry then, don't forget to get your kids one of these tho. Oh wait, you don't have kids nor do you own anything. Now go watch the UFC match inside the white house and be a happy goy :) Don't let all those current lost wars keep you down!
>>155280257There's definitely something wrong with the church but the original Reformation solved nothing. All the Protestants today are just pozzed or crazy zionists
>>155280173We were the best all in all under the Empire
>>155278163Pelé Law
The only solution to this country is splitting it into half>southern states + São Paulo + Center West>Northeastern + North + Rio Everyone would profit from it
>>155278775>Brazilians will soon not be Catholic, but some weird shitty nu-Protestant sect shitCan it be even grimmer?
>all the int tourists itt discussing everything but football
brazil is one of those countries where the internet/social media completely mind broke the average citizen
>>155280503So every third world country?
>>155280503You mean like the US?
>>155280503typical meme answer by your average chantard
>>155278775If they were converting to Lutheranism, Calvinism or Presbiterianism I would be fine, but all of those new believers are Neopentecostal carp.
>>155278163Corruption and hopeless delusion in its own hype, applies in a lot of other things Brazil related too.
we are a commie narcostate
>>155280417>all the oil stays with the north sidebased retard
>>155280261The funny thing is that our teams that won were pretty organized. Just look at 94' Brazil as an example.>Also, there is now an entire business industry around "Brazilian talents" that doesn't care about actually developign anyone (only about selling), and they probably are quite corrupt.You're on point with this, many players are developed and picked with European team needs in mind. Why try to develop someone as a mid-fielder when there are a decent amount of good ones in Europe? There's demand for wingers so let's try to find that.Another factor that I didn't see people talking about is that Brazil is simply developing, so football isn't widely by every single kid as it was before. The talent pool is getting shallower and shallower. I think things might get better with time but it is going to take a while to get a team good enough to win a WC.
>>155280653Truvtnvke
>>155278163it peaked too high with the 00s national team
>thread about brazil>devolves into incomprehensible seething about america and daa jooosmindbroken
>>155280503hilarious they have to dox themselves to download skyrim modslula is destroying that country
>>155278163We got behind with the times while the other countries improved. And we also don't have the money to keep our players in our leagues anymore. That's all
They stopped fucking trannies. This is the real answer
every kid in the favelas is playing freefire and vaping instead of kicking a ball they all dream of getting rich from tiktok or funk you can perfectly trace the downfall of brazilian football with the rise of brazilian funk in mainstream culture
>>155281208>the rise of brazilian funk in mainstream culturehonestly, you can attribute that to a lot of things. it begs the question: who pushed this god forsaken genre on us??Claudinho e Buchecha at least had some soul
>>155281005Trvthnvke 2
>jews broke your country and are currently cleaning their shit with it's corpses. If you don't want to hear it then do something about it cuckboi. You won't do shit because they made sure to mindrape your entire population and faith before hand. Deflecting to us to feel good won't help the fentail zombies shitting themselves retarded mutt
>>155279561proLoL is dead what the fuck are you talking about
>papists talking about raped faithstop jej
>ITT
>>155280257RETARD
ZUTTEDZOGGEDPOZZEDunable to change churchesunable to escape their cuckold fatepapist chuds humiliated and taught their place
>>155281505lol that's a funny image
>meanwhile in the based Christian US
>>155281611>>155281465You got zutted by jeet cock?
>>155280064>civilizational decline since 2008.That’s pretty much the same everywhere though.
>>155280064I'd argue immediately after WW1 when Britain slowly started to give up on its superior Protestant heritage. They used to bully papists into corners because they knew how subversive and ratty they are
>>155281841Pretty sure it had to do with Britain being broke ass shit from the war than religion
pozzed papists
>>155278163Money first results later?
>>155279452>>155279561This
>>155278163Sports are rigged for the 1st world nowadays: firstoids have better nutrition, organization, tactics and they even get better talents thanks to migrants (France NT is Africa all-stars with good training and nutrition).Brazil meanwhile is still a poor third world country and lost a bit of that passion that made them great while not improving in other aspects.
zuttkaner the bbc addicted tranny
paco fuming kekhumiliated by his globohomo pope
>>155278163Here's the thing, i think that we aren't worse than we were in the past, it's just that it has become harder and harder to win a World Cup, and we didn't managed to win one yet, that's all.Brazil has 5 wins but in the past the tournament was WAY less competitive, this year it has become even harder to win with the increased number of teams participating.It's retarded to always expect that our team is gonna win the tournament, this o hexa thing is delirious. For a team to consistently win it all in a format where a single loss can take you out it would require an absurd level of consistency.
>>155278775>2032*What a weird forecast. Why did they assume evangelicals would accelerate their growth from 2019 to 2032. In reality, the opposite is happening
>>155278580>>155278911>>155278821>>155279036Chikaner has a point here, though. Why don't we make it illegal for Brazilian players to play for foreign clubs? >Nowadays, this is unconstitutional.The constitution is amended like 4 times every year. Everything is possible.
>>155278911I believe the Brazilian population can outnumber and outvote players' greedy interests. This should be made illegal. We need to start bringing this idea to the political debate. I believe we are living a spirit of radical change right now, it's an opportunity
>>155282538he represents latin americawe have weaponised your epic papist church against youyou lostpowerless to get revenge on your hated enemy
>>155283287I'm sure he does in your dumb gringo head. Good job replicating zonald's tv show while the deaths of americans in the ME is hidden away goy :)
>>155278163commies took over
>>155280257Meanwhile an evangelical church near me has no crosses but tons of menorahs
>>155278201France vs Senegal how am I going to know which team is which??
>>155278679>Name a single national team that is expected to win every WCbrasil
Biggest news channel is talking about "anxiety" because the players were "anxious" during the match.
>>155287272I hate this whole "anxiety" talk, as if it weren't the case for literally everyone involved.
>>155280257You aren't better than anybody because you pretend to believe in alternative versions of facts. Everyone just thinks you are stupid
>>155281841It was more of a Theology of Liberation crap
>>155278775The rise of evangelism in Brazil is genuinely so disheartening. For decades the average Brazilian household was catholic, pious, understanding and respecting of the faith. Now most of our poorest citizens are visiting megachurches, giving money to fake clergyman who have little separating them from common conman as they travel on their private jets and create ostentatious enourmous temples. The same poor people who are being assailed daily by terrotist-like organized crime groups, and who have become so economically disilusioned that they're betting all money they have, as betting apps have completely overtaken all adds in the country, and become a normal part of society. The future does not look good.
>>155288694>brazilian>piouslmao you are famous for the most degenerate shit on the planetnot just carnival but all kinds of transexual shit and you invented BBLS
here's your pious tradcath country brogood little catholic boys and girls : the nation state
>>155289084Decades old outdated map btw. Lots of US cities are more dangerous then brazilian capitals nowadays kek
>>155278163Ronaldo (world cup winner) actually gave an interview where he explained why the current brazilian players Will beber perform like he and others did 20 years ago. If you want a serious answer, search for that.
>>155289923Here.
>>155291475Not sure how much weight his words carry here when he himself did build a lot of personal brand at the time (remember the whole Cascão haircut?), hell in 06 them being treated as celebrities was considered one of the biggest problems.
>>155278163They don’t field full-blooded niggers anymore, except Viny
>>155292195He did the haircut so the media would talk about it instead of his knee injury, which could affect morale. Or so are the claims.
>>155292346>tp>tfkek
>>155292283The last good full blood negro we had was Pele
>>155292492vini jr is the only reason you were completely humiliated against moors
>>155292340Right, said claim he made this year, I call it bullshit. Regardless, that was just one of the many things he did to build a personal brand. To be fair I don't even think that's entirely wrong per se, they _are_ celebrities after all, as long as they give their utmost for important games like the ones in a World Cup, it's fine. And to Ronaldo's credit, yes our current team has zero of that.
>>155281505>>155281623>>155281679Only countries that have been to the moon can comment in this thread.
>>155278163they are focused on club football now
>>155292723weren't*
>>155292195also ronaldo didn't care about training at all, i remember him saying that he only trained because he had to
>>155291475Isn't this the case with every player now? how does this only affect brazil
>>155292450This is counting mestizos with 0% african blood as african
>>155278580i apologize for the huelocaust
>>155278163too many blacksthis team can only flourish when there's a perfect balance of white, brown and black players. check the rosters on the years we won
>>155278580>the entire attack from Germany in 2014 were german players from the same clubthat was because back then we had buyern and then a huge gap before anybody else
