>if only you knew how bad things really are

>>155352140
They were practicing their diving drills and Vinny didn't even bother doing a proper flop. Really shameful stuff

I miss old Brazil

>>155352168
I'm boomer unc and can barely remember Brazil having a good and cohesive team
Last time must've been when we played them in South-Africa

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>>155352140
damn when did Ronaldo get fat

>>155352312
2002

>>155352312
as soon as he could

>>155352312
It was already a running joke by the mid 2000s I think
there was even this flash game where you had to score as him and needed to booat your speed with cheeseburguers while being chased by an argentine player
for the life of me i cannot remember what it was called.

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Was 2010 the last time Brazil was good?

I remember Robinho, Luis Fabiano, Maicon, Ramires, Bastos, Hernanes, Melo etc were pretty damn good. No KWABs.

>>155352140
NTA but what could they be doing *so* different than the olden days?

>>155352533
They're probably seeing no skills

>>155352474
I guess I noticed in 2006, I just hadn't realized it got worse

>>155352140
I unironically think Endrick is probably one of their best players right now. I don't know why Demencelotti isn't playing him. He seems like R9's spiritual successor rather than fucking Cunha.

>>155352312
Since AC Milan/RM days. He's been fat for like 2.5 decades

>>155352533
Lack of cohesion and ethic
All the players on the Brazil team have gotten fat off of club play. They don't actually care about winning international games, they take it for granted that they'll move on. They care about sponsorships and looking good. Raphina is the cheif example of this
Spain is also in a very similar boat. On both teams, the only players actually trying are Vini and Yamal. And it's a really strange day when Vini Jr. Is your hardest working and most serious player

>>155352493
2006 Brasil was already washed up, a team full of superstars but no real drive to win anymore
2010 they were decent at best and it's been downhill to mediocrity ever since
Current Brasil lives with the expectation of winning but they don't have a single winning player, they're all shit apart from Vini and he's very irregular

>>155352312
People thought he'd be too fat to play in 2002.

>>155352543
Ah, maybe it was a training match yeah.
Who is the white, sun glasses guy? Is that juninho?

>>155352569
Rayan, Luiz Henrique and Endrick are better than the starting offensive trio and the whole country agrees. People also heavily criticise Casimiro, Alex Sandro and Danilo but Ancelotti has his favourites full stop. The #1 complaint over here is the insistence on the same old names over and over.

>>155352140
>Why are they not roided up like we were?!

>>155352580
I refuse to believe winning a world cup is something a player wouldn't care about or prioritize

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Why isn't Fat Ronaldo on the ozempic? I know he has some sort of condition but surely that would slim him down

>>155352699
he had thyroid problems since 2006 anon

>>155352225
Dunga was a boring fuck who sabotaged the last potentially good Brazil team
Didn't call Ronaldinho or Pato

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2022 team was easily top 3 in the world (if not the best) and only lost due to a fluke in the last minute against penalty merchants but everyone only remembers you if you win it all.

>>155352746
>2022 team was easily top 3 in the world (if not the best)
delusional

>>155352533
Back in the day Brazilians were poor so all they had was football and they constantly played in the street so they got crazy good at it
New gen is spoiled

I remember Savicevic saying he would play football in the streets until his knees bled
So the same thing goes for most of ex-Yugo now too
Kids prefer to play video games over football

>>155352769
That team was better than croatia

>>155352709
It was way before then
He always had the problem but it got worse over time
Alcohol and injuries didn't help

>>155352474
>there was even this flash game where you had to score as him and needed to booat your speed with cheeseburguers while being chased by an argentine player
lmao

>>155352562
It's actually better than it was, for a while he was REALLY fat

>>155352780
This is a big problem in my country as well, 20-30 years ago everybody was outside stealing now everybody plays video games indoors and wonder why there's no bread on the table

>>155352663
No, it's true. I've talked about this before in /sp/, there's a big difference between wishing to win and actually wanting to. Of course all the players wish to win the World Cup and dream about it. But when you look at their real-word priorities, it becomes clear that the level of focus and determination they show when playing for their clubs isn't the same as when they're playing for the NT. They lack that fire. When they lose, they give out some excuses and go back to Paris, Madrid or London. The players don't look furious or devastated like one would look after seeing their biggest dream getting crushed. They're disappointed at best. The boomer players talk about it, and everyone can see it too. Players don't have that fire in them anymore.

>>155352807
kek

>>155352605
Eh, Vini seems to be "good" as he was the only one that scored, but get Raphinha out of the trio. Also Casemiro is only on the team by his RM merit and Nerman should have even been called up. I assume Nerman's call up was Brazil FA pressuring the fat italian to call him up for shirt sales and ads.

At least there's a few more matches left, Brazil will make it through but won't last if they keep playing Raphinha and Cunha as starters. Also give Endrick the #9 shirt too.

>Ancelotti has his favorites
He sucks Vini's dick and Raphinha but latter is a complete ghost. He's able to run after the ball but he's too low IQ.

>same names over and over
basically the typical south american team.

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>>155352312
He's always been a fat man trapped in an athletic body.

>>155352699
And look like a skeleton wearing a loose human suit? Leave him be, fat suits him really well

>>155352807
Kek

>>155352780
This is cope. First world countries with living standards that the average Brazilian couldn't even dream of run circles around us. The typical banlieue in Paris mogs most of the middle class neighbourhoods in our cities by our own standards. Mobile gaming is huge here because many kids are too poor to have a console or an adequate PC. Football is still popular and the street footballer to worldstar myth is a gross oversimplification of what Brazilian football is built upon.

Our problem is that our youth football system is complete rubbish and most elite clubs don't produce any good players at all. Scouting and development are subpar and even Argentina has us beat on it, let alone countries like France, England, Spain and Germany.

>>155352807
kek

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*buck breaks the great team you ever watched*

>>155352808
To be honest I remember Ronaldinho not caring that much when he lost
I think it's more than wanting to just win the WC
I dunno, it's hard to put it into words but old Brazilian football players were just gigachads
It's hard to explain the feeling I get when I simply see something like Ronaldo and Rivaldo kick-off, even looking back at videos now.

Maybe it's nostalgia but players back then seemed so special and shone so brightly and seemed like absolute badass celebs whereas footballers now seem like forgettable NPCs.
And with Brazil this effect is further amplified.

Heck with old Brazil even when they lost or had an off-day they were still fun to watch.

>>155352807
Heh

>>155352870
You fags now buy all of the continents good youth players for your league instead of developing them yourselves

>>155352917
>loses to an italian man seducing his sister

>>155352312
>when
Like 17 years ago? He was already fat at 32 when he arrived on Corinthians

>>155352870
First world countries have high end football academies and facilities.
They don't really have the individual brilliance or footballing ability Brazil used to have but they make up for it by training, teamwork and hard work.
They are taught how to play, but as a result don't have a personality in their play style and end up becoming systembabies.

Guy I replied asked what they could be doing differently from the olden days btw.
It's clear that the old culture that fostered Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Roberto Carlos, Ronaldinho, Cafu etc. no longer exists

There's a difference between "wanting to win driven by memories of poverty and hunger" and "wanting to win sure lol whatever but if not I can still fuck my sister in our luxury pentouse in Sao Paulo"

I remember roberto carlos saying that he felt loke he won the lottery with his football talent and that he always played so his extended family has enough money all the time

where's my nigga Romario

team has no samba. Make Ronaldinho the manager

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>>155352922
I can't speak for Ronaldinho in particular, but 2006 players were absolutely crushed after the game with France. Zidane famously walked into Brazil's dressing room after the game to change shirts with Ronaldo who just walked to him, gave his shirt and said "not now, man. Congratulations, you played well, but get out of here. Everyone is crying and this isn't the time", to which Zidane responded by leaving in silence. Every account of that game confirms the version that players were depressed and disoriented after the defeat. In 2022, other than Richarlison, Nerman and Thiago Silva, most of the players seemed downbeat but somewhat conformed with the defeat. Recently the players also seemed pretty comfortable for a team that lost 4-1 to Argentina in the Maracanã during the qualifiers. Each year that passes the players seem more and more blasé and uppity after defeats.

>>155353043
He's a politician now

>>155353002
"Whaaah whaaah we're too por we're a shithole we can't invest" doesn't really fly when football clubs are multimillion dollar businesses. If Brasileirão clubs were doing everything in their power to develop players and still falling behind Ligue 1 and the EPL, I'd concede to you. But most top flight clubs in Brazil don't care to invest in player development and deliberately neglect their academies. Brazilian football is now carried by the same 5 clubs doing the heavy lifting to produce players while the rest scratch their balls and prefer to spend the money on Colombians and Uruguayans as pointed out by >>155352951. The rest of the players come out of smaller clubs that indeed do not have the resources to make extensive investments.

Again, 15/20 of our top division clubs range from inadequate to completely useless in terms of youth development. This is absolutely unsustainable and we can't make up for it with the larger talent pool anymore.

>>155353055
Oh I don't disagree
But all I'm saying that it was more about than just winning a trophy
There was a certain pride and love they had about playing football, especially when it came to representing Brazil, which is lost nowadays
Remember hearing that Romario cried on National TV begging to be included in the 2002 WC squad or something like that

>>155353169
That's the thing, the top suits don't give a fuck
It's the same thing with Italian football who has it even worse

That said even if you invest and produce good/great players you won't really produce the type of players Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and old school Brazilian players were because those guys literally made themselves back then

Brazilian players just like everywhere else are paid much higher salaries than in the 20th century
Back then people paid for the love of the game primarily(not just Brazilians but everywhere) because you really had to be one of the top players in the world to be making millions a year
Nowadays you can be a bang average player and you still can make millions a year, so there's not as much incentive to strive to better yourself

Sorry but that's just logical

Lads, who is the guy with the sunglasses?

>>155353288
It's natural to miss the Ronaldos and Rivaldos above anyone else, but Brazil's problem really isn't a lack of such players. Not too long ago we had Neymar, Marcelo, Thiago Silva, Coutinho, and their combined efforts resulted in nothing because the rest of the team was just shit. In 2002 we won because the less prestigious players, Kleberson, Edmílson, Denilson, Roque Júnior were all up to the task and ready to help. But you can't have depth if your talent production method is waiting for someone to find a miracle kid kicking a rubbish bag in a landfill. Statistical miracles still exist but they're no longer enough to compete with countries that are able to consistently put out new good players all the time. Mbappé and Olise wouldn't win anything if not for the fact that France has goalies, defenders, midfielders, substitutes and reserves. Ask a Brazilian his ideal attacking trio and you'll get a multitude of answers, even with some players injured. Ask a Brazilian to name two wing backs and he'll start sweating and stuttering because we don't really have any. We also lack centre backs, keepers, midfielders and everything else. In 2022 we just didn't have any good CFs or midfielders up to the task and we paid the price. For years we haven't been able to find 11 good players to be starters. Not stars, not legends, not GOAT candidates, just 11 good players. In 2030 João Pedro could be a recordbreaking striker and Ballon d'Or candidate but we'll lose because we only had one good playmaker and he missed the WC over an injury.

As for the top suits, they're awfully incompetent. The reason why academies stink is the same reason why those clubs are all always on the verge of bankruptcy and don't win titles. They do terrible jobs.

>>155352922
>Maybe it's nostalgia but players back then seemed so special and shone so brightly and seemed like absolute badass celebs whereas footballers now seem like forgettable NPCs.
truth nuke especially the forgettable npc part, it's why I stopped following football other than big tournaments

no matter your legacy, if you got fat I wouldnt take your criticism seriously

>hey guys you should-
yeah you should lay off the cake, that's a lot easier than performing at the world cup

>>155352140
they're too hard on the kids, we won a world cup thanks grosso and materazzi, sometimes you just have to trust the plan.

>>155352474
https://www.miniplay.com/game/run-ronaldo-run
Yes it's here.

>>155353169

There were four academies in Brazil that notoriously produced great players: Cotia (SPFC), Vila (Santos FC), Xerém (Fluminense) and Toca da Raposa (Cruzeiro). All of those teams got fucked financially in the past decade or two. No wonder there isn’t a lot of talent getting revealed.

>>155352140
On the bright side, everyone else sucks too. This cup has the lowest level of play in at least 50 years.

>>155352493
brazil was always good, the problem is when people say "good", they mean pele's and ronaldo's era.

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>>155352807
Those kids need hard work and guts!

>>155352746
Still remember Neymar telling everyone to calm the fuck down when they were up against Croatia with a few minutes left, but they got complacent. What a bunch of fools.

>>155352807
jej

>>155352807
>tf
>tp
lel

>>155352140
Ronaldo just wants to get to the pub.

>>155354136
Cruzeiro is the only one to have fallen off dramatically in talent output. Fluminense's academy is better than ever and along with Santos, who have produced less world class talent in the recent years but are still good, also produce the bulk of the good Brasileirão players. São Paulo haven't produced excellent players in a while, but I suppose they help with Militão and Casemiro. Add Palmeiras, Flamengo and maybe Athletico-PR and the list is settled. What have all the other teams in the league been up to this century? I find it hard to believe that a lack of money is the reason why they don't invest in their academies when Brazilian football has never seen more money than now.

>>155352312
How does a "professional" soccer player even get fat, anyway?

>>155353055
You can even see how many mercenaries are in WC squads now, something that used to be a club football thing now it´s on national teams

>>155354477
Post some funny footballer names from Brazil, you know what I mean

>>155354518
>likes to party
>retires