Fake country. Even faker now than Brussels is only 20% natives.
>>155597581Your country's inception is barely 50 years apart from theirs wtf
>>155597828Try 200.
>>155597828Fuck off Sunni rat. Only based Muslim country is Iran at this point.
>>155597581This fake country was a puppet state invented by Britain to be a buffer zone between the French and the Dutch ports.
>>155597581I have always had an irrational hatred for B*lgium. Horrible place.
>>155597581>Even faker now than Brussels is only 20% natives.They should move their capital to Charlerois or something where there are still majority belgians
>new worlders calling other countries fake
>>155597581Don’t say bad things like that
>>155598088he's right thoughbelgium is literally just a glorified speed bump
>>155598088We're less fake, because we have a clear identity. We were the Europeans that colonized America and wanted to be independent. What is a Belgian? It's not ethnic or linguistic. There are no deep roots that distinguish a Belgian from a Dutch person or a French person.
>>155597581Twee Belgen lopen naast elkaar. Zegt de een tegen de ander: "mag ik in het midden lopen?"
>>155597914>Try 200.Precisely 54 years>>155597950>Fuck off Sunni rat. Only based Muslim country is Iran at this point.How about you stop trying to subjugate them if you love them so much
>>155597581Sad
>>155598213>What is a Belgian?What is a French by that logic?
>>155597581Native since when ?
>>155598166Not saying they’re wrong, but they’re even faker than any fake country in Europe
>>155598359Someone native to the region of what is today France. But France has existed politically for like a millennium, and they can trace themselves more or less back to the Gauls even longer ago. Belgium is just entirely arbitrary.
>>155598213There’s a Belgian phenotype that’s very easy to recognize like picrelNo one ever saw a face like that and thought "damn, what a French-looking cutie"
>>155598501>Someone native to the region of what is today France.There you go then, apply the same definition to Belgians. Belgium not existing politically until recently does not refute your definition, and if it does, same can be said of American identity.>they can trace themselves more or less back to the Gauls even longer agoSo does Belgium. Do you think they popped up in the 19th century out of nowhere? Besides, France was the dominion of the kings who inherited a fraction of Charlemagne's empire. They spoke undecipherable languages and dialects between different regions and were culturally different between an Occitan and a Breton. It took the french revolution for an effort to normalize the language and cultural background to be forced upon everyone (with more coercion than China does nowadays to Mongols or Uyghurs).
>>155598881>Do you think they popped up in the 19th century out of nowhere?Uh, yeah? That's actually exactly what happened. Obviously people have roots in the area since forever, but why should Flanders and Wallonia be united? What do those two regions share that makes them a nation?
>>155598881>undecipherable languages and dialects between different regionsDifferent but not undecipherable at all IMOI just read an article in the Normand dialect of Jersey (so not under French influence since the Middle Ages) and it reads like the speech of an extremely drunk Frenchman from the countryside:>S'lon la couôteunme, Jèrri a nom en Latîn Caesarea, et Dgèrnésy a nom Sarnia. Ches noms veinnent d'vièrs dotchuments, mais ch'n'est pon cliai qu'les bouôns noms en Latîn ont 'té applyitchis ès Îles. Ch'fut William Camden dans sa Britannia d'1586 tch'identifyit Sarnia coumme Dgèrnésy. Nou criyait étout qué si Caesarea veurt dithe l'île à César ou dév'thait êt' lé nom d'la pus grande île - Jèrri. Mais l's expèrts n'sont pon d'un même avis entouor chutte tchestchion-chîn.I understood like 99% of this
>>155599154>but why should Flanders and Wallonia be united? What do those two regions share that makes them a nation?Great that you ask, because i'm asking myself the same question regarding Occitany, Brittany, Corsica and Alsace, but x10. What is the common denominator here, beyond the actors of the French revolution beating them into stopping teaching and practice of their languages (Bretton, Occitan, Langue d'Oc) and repressing their cultural expression.Riddle me this please.
>>155599404>Occitany, Brittany, Corsica and Alsace,Yeah I mean those are all arbitrary, but those don't make up most of France. There's still a core French homeland and nation.
>>155598760She could clearly be french, what the hell are you smoking? Couldn't you at least find a nordic belgian girl to larp instead of a botle blond?
>>155599384Fantastic, but that looks like a bigger gap than our Moroccan Darija and Omanic Arabic. Also, do Breton now.
>>155599404>common denominatorThey were part of the French Crown, union treaties and shiet
>>155599543France isn't Paris and l'île de France. Most of it was forcefully made to adhere to a normative Parisian standard to consolidate the cultural hegemony of the country, long after the millenial history you describe.I'm not saying France isn't a country. It's a thousand year old country. I'm trying to deconstruct with logic the argument that Belgium is somehow an artificial country and the odd one on the list. It's just more recent.
>>155599778>it's just more recentI mean yeah, that's kind of exactly it. It takes a long time to build a nation out of nothing.
>>155599727Exactly! So the take of our American friend for denying Belgium the status of legitimate country is weak at best.
/sp/ - Sports
>>155598420I think three generations?
>>155599404those are all french cultures nowso is walloon, while flemish is a dutch cultureover time belgium may become a real country, but the issue is that it was forcefully fabricated instead of a natural conquest or union
>>155599579She could be French from a town 15 km away from the Belgian border, but that’s it. She still looks very very typically Belgian.>>155599597>BretonI kneel…
>>155599154>why should Flanders and Wallonia be unitedFlanders and Wallonia are both modern inventions, but the states that preceded then were united during:Roman Province of Gallia Belgica Frankish EmpireBurgundian Netherlands Habsburg Netherlands Austrian Netherlands First French Republic Kingdom of the Netherlands BelgiumThat's more than a millennium! There were a few exceptions, like when one was part of France and the other to the Holy Roman Empire (though probably not the you're thinking of), but overall, those regions stayed together for a veeeery long time, even if it was mostly under foreign rule.
>>155599836Right. Now, ponder the fact that your country is barely 54 years older than Belgium. You may say, our identity was cemented in our crazy and intense history. So we'd shift from putting the emphasis on the duration toward how rich one's history is, but i'd say the belgian identity, distinct from France, already started to cement.
>>155599404don't forget Basque, even though it's a small regionthey practically killed Basque in two hundred years there, a language which survived over two fucking millennia elsewhere
Sports?
>>155599920she could be from anywhere in northwestern europe, you're just saying she looks belgian because she's got belgian facepaint
>>155599917>but the issue is that it was forcefully fabricated instead of a natural conquest or unionHow is that not the case for most countries out there. Most are meme countries that aren't fabrications grounded around a distinct ethnic group's settlements and history.
>>155599985The identity of a colony is fundamentally different from an indigenous nation-state. America is less fake than Belgium because it arose more naturally, but it's absolutely less deeply rooted in general culture.
>>155599920>She could be French from a town 15 km away from the Belgian border, but that’s it.The hell you're talking about? Am I supossed to believe that there is no french (fake) blonde women? That girl isn't even more white looking than Le Pen, arguably most famous french woman now, and she isn't from "a town 15 km away from the Belgian border"
>>155600013>don't forget Basque, even though it's a small region>they practically killed Basque in two hundred years there, a language which survived over two fucking millennia elsewhereI know. The French revolution did what no French ruler ever dared to do. It suppressed the cultures, languages and identities of a lot of ethnic groups that are now relegated to the forgotten pages of history. That is because in many ways, the French revolution birthed that flavor of collectivist and conformist authoritarianism that resulted in communism and bolshevism.
>>155600055I instantly recognize Belgian porn actresses despite the fact they have a French flag facepaint
>>155600102>America is less fake than Belgium because it arose more naturallyBoth Belgium and the USA exists because the french decided to medle in foreign conflicts at the sides of separatists
>>155600270No one is talking about blond hair, she just has facial characteristics of a Belgian person, the same ones you can detect in Stromae for exampleAnd that’s before they start talking with a slight Belgian accent to say strange Belgian words
>>155600102Belgium is the aggregate of two people: the walloon and the flemmish. They're two people, one country. The walloons of France lost their cultural and linguistic identity entirely. The Belgian walloons did not. It survived because they were only under the boots of the revolutionary thugs for 50 years. Not enough to suppress their expression out of existence.
>>155600270it has nothing to do with being white, it's more a vibeSome faces are very typically belgian to me, obviously with overlapsI would say Angèle looks even more typically belgian
>>155598286top kek, love Belgenmoppen
>>155597581Indeed it's fake. Shouldn't exist. But the areas it encompasses are very comfy for the most part
>>155600985>two peopletherefor not a country, it's that simple, a country is a people
>>155601066> two people> therefore not a countryOk then, by your logic:Nor is SpainNor is France
>>155601173>Ok then, by your logic:>Nor is Spainprecisely
>>155601472Banter and spain bashing aside, most countries are the aggregate of more than one people. What you view as a condition is an exception.
>>155601066Many larger countries are actually several people in one country, just united by a common civic identityGermany, France, Italy, not even talking about India or China, are a bunch of different regional ethnicities under one name; the difference between a native from Lille and another one from Toulouse is obvious to the eye and to the ear
It's mind blowing how muslim brussels is. and very sad. epicentre for replacement migration
>>155597581Seriously though. How many "golden generations" does a country need to achieve anything at all at least once? They've gone through what, a dozen?
>>155601642A veeeery rare exeption by the way. Even small countries such as Switzerland and Romania aren't ethnostates
>>155601642Even ancient Greece or ancient Egypt wouldn’t be real countries by his standards. No one has ever been real… So deep…
>>155601642Arguing against the Portuguese over this is pointless as the Portuguese have forever been a monolithic single people, D. Afonso Henriques made a country for the Portuguese and D. Dinis defined what a Portuguese was and it's been that way for what 700 years? So we see Spain as a union of crowns (Castille, Leon, Aragon, Navarrre, Andalusia)
>>155598760There even is a luxemburgish phenotype
>>155602317>LeonGreat film.
>>155602428Yeah, but native Luxembourgers are surprisingly diverse for such a small country IMO.Anyway, you’ll come across dozens of different nationalities every day in Luxembourg City and after a while, it’s not so hard to guess what language this or that person is going to speak.
>>155598288>How about you stop trying to subjugate them if you love them so muchI think the goy cattle is just glad the chad Islamic state of iran is liberating him from his subjugation under jews
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>>155603112Your language situation is very confusing to me. I guess establishing Luxemburgish as the main language is based - including from my perspective, since it is a weaponized German dialect and therefore preferable to French in my eyes, even if it means sacrificing the remains of Standard GermanJust watch out that you don't speak Portuguese before you make it that far
>>155598286Amai...
>>155601173Spain is a relatively glaring example, but with the exception of the Basques, you can at least say the peoples are very closely related. We Germans have been divided into tons of groups for ages, Germans was just a wider term for all groups that also included the Dutch, for example. But you could group them together because of how close they were, despite a Dutch person and an Austrian not really being able to understand each otherThe thing with Belgium is that it has two entirely different language families. And it wasn't the result of a conquest like France with Britanny
>>155603408Luxembourgish is not really the main language, as only Luxembourgers (so half of the country) speak it, while French remains the language used in shops, as well as the language of law. French-speaking people will never ever learn Luxembourgish btw, for obvious reasons, and it’s not like the recent English-speaking wave of immigrants care about any language other than English.The multi-language situation is not good for the cohesion of the country and its social life, but good for Luxembourg in the context of the EU (being a neutral ground politically between France and Germany and thus advancing Luxembourgish politicians/bureaucrats in EU institutions, attracting investment and workforce from both countries, etc.).It’s a mess but a profitable one so far.
>>155603699>The thing with Belgium is that it has two entirely different language familiesThe language situation has always been complex, it has always been where latin and germanics meetIt is the heart of the Carolingian project: making latin europe and germanic europe friendly with each others. Ironically it is Germany who invaded belgium and pushed Flamenpolitik (identity politics) during WWI to destroy, succesfully, that project (german nationalists hated charlemagne and lauded widukind), and told one side of the country that the other side stole their waffles, and we are living with that to this dayThe other side still owe us our waffles tho
>>155603699The basques are a legacy of the pre-roman genetic makeup of the iberian peninsula, left almost untouched by the invasions of the Visigoth, Vandals, or North Africans.As for Germanic people, i'm not sure i understand what is the strong common denominator beyond the holy roman empire and the linguisitc proximity. Wouldn't like a third or fourth of pre-revolution France also qualify?
>>155605040Which areas would you mean? Apart from the Elsass/Alsace and the Dutch-speaking part of Flanders France eventually got, nothing qualifies as German (in the wider sense), I'd say
>>155605191Lorraine, Burgundy-Framche-Comte, Artois, Savoy and even Provence were once part of the HRE (aswell as Alsace and Flanders)
>>155605191Well wouldn't the entirety of northern france fall under a larger definition of germanic people if we rollback tothe middle ages? The frankish heartland where the language was heavily germanic. The area around Lyon and Provence (old kingdom of burgundy).Which brings me back to the question of what do you mean by Germanic people. Is it purely linguistic? Is it cultural? Is it ethnic and includes all celts?
>>155597950>Only based Muslim country is Iran at this point.Humm Yemen South Lebanon GazaThe rest of us deserve to be nuked desu
>>155605191>>155605512Problem with both those approaches is that neither the HRE nor Germany nor France were mono-cultural. Southern France is wildly different from Nort-West-France and the the North-East that's much closer to Germany in culture and mentality. Same for Germany. You have the German South-West that's generally pretty compatible with France, Switzerland and Hungary, the "mid-west" Rhineland that has an affinity to France. Then you have Northern Germany with a much more hardened and cool mentality that they share with North Europeans, you have East Germany and their ties to former soviet countries. And of course, you have the black sheep Bavaria in the south east, who are culturally closer to Austrians and even Hungarians, especially the more traditional folk.As for the HRE of course they ruled over different regions at different times. They had the impetus of an empire, afterall. And while they did see themselves in a Roman tradition and claimed the heritage of Charlemagne (like pretty much everyone with hegemonial aspirations at the time), their culture depended very much on who was elected emperor at a given time. I guess you could argue that the HRE's prime came and went with the rule of the Hohenstauffen dynasty, which is mostly based in the south-west (going by today's borders) and therefore does have that shared cultural foundation with north-eastern France.
>>155598019Ken too bad no one in history has ever given a shit about what Australians thinksUpside down cunts, any 20 square meters in belgium has more history than fucking australia
it confounds and angers the /pol/ tourist that states may exist for reasons other than representing a single ethnic group
>>155598288America gained independence from Britain in 1776 but the colonies are much older. Virginia was colonised in 1607, before the UK existed.
Belgium is a legitimate country just by virue of being the homeland for non-heretic Dutchoids, true heirs of late medieval glory unlike the hebrewfied northerners. Maybe Wallonia could be given to France and Limburg and Northern Brabant be annexed to Greater Flanders.
>>155606166>America gained independence from Britain in 1776 but the colonies are much older. Virginia was colonised in 1607Cool, the Walloons of Belgium are even older.
>>155606366Those are ethnic groups, not countries. English people are just as old if not older.
>>155606857You say the colonies are much older than the US. I tell you the walloon settlements in their native lands are even older. It's an apple to apple comparison.
