>>155638109
baseball is a dying sport so it might top that but american football is pretty populalr so probably not

the introduction of Hydration Breaks™ make it slightly more possible than ever before

>>155638109
baseball is in decline and soccer is replacing it as the Democrat sport

No, for the same reason soccer is popular in Europe. Because of its establish pageantry and infrastructure around the sport. People watch the sport because of that, not because it's inherently more interesting or magical

>>155638322
>baseball is in decline
What happened?

>>155638109
It should replace cricket in india. Fifa and indian football federation have the opportunity to do it

>>155638109
No. No fucking chance. Not unless the democrats flood the country with another couple hundred million third worlders.

>>155638384
I don't really understand the rules of cricket, it's too complicated for me, I might be a brainlet

>>155638384
cricket is the most boring sport in the world, how it ever got popular in india is a mystery to me

>>155638109
no,
Football, Baseball, and Basketball make too much money. All our best athletes play those 3 sports. Even bench players in the NFL make more than every soccer player in the world

>>155638482
>Basketball
Oh I completely forgot about hand non-egg.

>>155638109
>sport that requires 90 minutes of undivided attention
It will not replace it in a historical sense and I doubt attendance nor viewership will ever be impressive. But I bet it could overshadow an already extremely downtrodden MLB.

the MLS is too gay

>>155638444
It was never meant to be a professional sport because spiritually it is a past time for British officers

>>155638541
What does MLB stand for

>>155638482
>Even bench players in the NFL make more than every soccer player in the world
can't tell if this is one dumbass committed to this fabrication or if several posters are this stupid

>>155638570
Britain gave us cricket
Japan gave us anime

Which one is the bigger crime?

>>155638453
British Raj unironically

>>155638361
Boring af. A thing from the past. Just like Lone Rider movies

>>155638621
Britain giving cricket easily, anime is far more kino

>>155638583
Major League Baseball. Also he's being hyperbolic, soccer gets nowhere near the money/viewership that baseball gets. It's not close. Soccer doesn't even beat hockey here

>>155638695
Is cricket the Unit 731 of sports?

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>>155638109
No. Americans love their dumb sports to be giga multi point heavy. A 0 v 0 is unthinkable to them, it needs to be 68 v 56 aat the end

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>>155638713
thx for explain

>>155638621
go look though the sticky for your answer

>>155638748
Don't really get the comparison

>>155638109
Not happening yet at least. I mean, their national teams might start drawing massive viewership for a while, but MLS? Nah

>>155638750
that's only true of basketball. football, baseball and hockey all have low scoring slurpfests

>>155638858
Great, you're calling me retarded

Our domestic league will never be popular. We don't watch it, the rest of the world certainly isn't watching. Americans will probably continue to take more interest in the European leagues.

>>155638361
the boomers that can remember it as the number one sport are dying off and it's got as much parity as your soccer league

>>155638109
American football will eventually die out due to CTE concerns, but its slot is likely to be taken by basketball or baseball

>>155639280
>CTE
I am being bombarded with acromyms itt! I don't know what they mean! This thread is making me feel stupid!

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>>155639448
No wonder they keep pushing the wnba so hard.

>>155638361
It's boring to play, most of the time, and requires a lot of players. Basketball and soccer can be played in a lot more variations. You can't play 1v1 baseball
Because of increasingly isolated children living in suburbs and not roving around the neighborhood in bands, it's simply not easy to play an improvised baseball game. Even football can be played with eg. 8 kids
So kids don't grow up with baseball unless their dad makes them play little league, and they don't feel the need to be serious baseball fans in adulthood. I don't watch baseball myself unless I'm actually at a game, and while that's a good time, we only go a couple times a year

>>155639536
>wnba
Another acronym!!!!!

>>155639448
to be fair, the premier league and liga mx get similar average viewership to MLS here, and champions league is about 3x all of them. CL final eclipsed 3m

>>155639332
Chronic traumatic encephalopathy, i.e. getting your head banged around so often you become retarded

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>>155639739
thx for explain

>>155638361
It *was* in decline but it isn't anymore. It's coming back a bit, mainly due to the increasing latino population, latino players, asian players, and the asian market.

>>155638361
IQ decline

>>155639804
This. I don't know wtf he's talking about, baseball has been coming back as a hipster sport.

>>155638109
Let’s hope not they would Americanize this beautiful sport

>>155639804
Yeah, the baseball is dying narrative is like 5 years out of date, it's in the middle of a major boom

>>155640253
>they would Americanize this beautiful sport
Doesn't that mean football would become the sport of chads again?

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>>155640253
>Beautiful sport

Fag.

Baseball, probably. The only way they can get crowds to go to their games at this stage is random unrelated crossover events to sell merch to weebs.
Handegg, no. It's far too ingrained in American culture. Yes, I know baseball is too, but handegg evolved with the time more and marketed themselves enough that they practically have a national holiday just for their final.

>>155638109
yes, the less white america gets the more popular football will become, in 30 years it will be the national sport when barely any whites are left

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>>155638189
>>155638322
>>155638361
baseball was a dying sport 10 years ago. it's resurging and just overtook the NBA as the second most popular league in the country a few years ago

>>155640916
Do you think other sports will be declared illegal in the future?

>>155638109
>Realistically speaking, could football replace handegg and baseball in America in terms of popularity?
Never (unless they change the rules).
Honestly, soccer is only somewhat enjoyable during the World Cup.

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>>155640985
>NBA
What is this, acronym day?

>>155638109
Maybe in like 50-100 years if third-world migration continues at its current rate but I doubt it. Soccer is completely irrelevant here unless our boys are doing well at the WC. Football and baseball and basketball are so much bigger it’s not even really a contest right now

>>155638109
Only if u import gazillion mexicans (again)

>>155638361
I think for Americans baseball is just a vibe sport, many movies or TV shows like Star Trek will mention baseball, baseball cards etc. but few actually care about it like people care about Football, soccer, hockey etc.

>>155640253
>Let’s hope not
You have nothing to worry about, barely anyone gives a fuck about soccer here outside of the world cup (only due to nationalistic "america numba 1" retardation). The MLS is a huge joke and the youth aren't interested in playing in that crappy league. Football/Baseball/Basketball/Hockey are the only sports this country cares for and that's a good thing.

>>155640994
they won't need to, NFL is carried by white america. in some decades it might exist in some small capacity for the minority white population but football will dominate

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>>155641187
>NFL
Stop it!

>>155638109
Maybe in like 40-50 years, since more parents are pulling their kids out of football (im still calling your football soccer, deal with it yuropoors) over CTE. Its still the top sport by far in terms of TV ratings/relevance so there'll be parents chasing it for money regardless as long as that's the case.

It's more likely to replace baseball because baseball struggles to keep younger people's attention and their fanbase is already aging out. NFL has better cross generation appeal. NHL and MLB are going to get passed by soccer most likely. NHL probably already is behind it.

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What's he thinking right now?

even with a complete demographic change i doubt it, most latino kids i grew up with were american football fans first and then wore a mexico jersey every 4 years for the world cup o algo

>>155641187
NFL has a lot of black fans/players, and black parents are the most likely to look past the CTE risk because they want the chance of NFL money. You'll probably see less wealthier people playing it.

Baseball is what's truly fucked, blacks don't give a shit about it. Mexicans sort of do but not nearly as much as soccer

>>155641249
I'd honestly rather my kids play a softer sport like soccer or baseball than end up getting maimed in football or rugby

>>155641378
Yeah thats baseball's best hope, that it can convince more kids to enroll in it as a safer alternative vs NFL. The problem MLB is facing is that it needs to figure out how to hold the attention spans of younger fans and get them to care about the stars

Everybody is always saying baseball and basketball are dying during their boring regular seasons, but their playoffs and championships always prove otherwise.The reason NFL is top dog is because their regular season is so short so every game is basically a playoff game for the first few months even if the team ends up being trash. With that in mind, football's (soccer) ceiling is probably being the 2nd most popular in America, since its regular season is too long for our attention spans too.

>>155638109
no and thanks god for that

>>155641349
i don't mean the players, interest in the NFL is carried by white america. I don't see a 70% non-white america caring about the NFL in 40 years

People in here are coping about baseball; I’m a massive fan of both baseball and soccer but in terms of engagement baseball is way above soccer and trending upward again; if anything I see nfl declining as the Latino population grows and boomers die

>>155641349
>Baseball is what's truly fucked
Baseball has been played since 1846, it's never dying as long as this nation continues to exist. It is an everyman sport with low risk of injury (if you're not a pitcher), so it's very attractive to parents. Multiple rule changes have boosted viewership to levels it hasn't been in decades.

>>155639448
>college women basketball mote popular than wnba

???

>>155638437
so you're saying it's basically guaranteed?

In america no but in Canada it's got a shot against hockey. Hockey is prohibitively expensive for 90% of the population to play, rinks aren't even that widely accessible for casual play. Also our population is rapidly becoming less white, and only white people care about hockey. All of our teams have sucked for years and years and now even our national team is losing its dominance to the USA. Hockey is on its way down and being replaced by basketball and soccer.

soccer already mogs hockey

it always felt like a stretch to call it a "big 4" desu, NHL was always second tier vs mlb/nfl/nba.

maybe it was close with NBA in like the 70s but jordan took it way past that. soccer is definitely more relevant than hockey. world cup or even champions league get more press than stanley cup. i dont even know who won the stanley cup this year

>>155641682
Hockey is relevant at the olympics, and usually most people can name the biggest star like Gretzky or Ovechkin or Crosby even if they don't know anyone else.

NHL is bigger than MLS at least, nobody can name MLS stars casually unless they follow it. Its probably equal with soccer right now but on the downward trend

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>>155641682
>champions league get more press than stanley cup
why lie like this? hockey might not be big, but you are massively overstating how big soccer anything is here.

i heard that in the USA soccer is a rich people sport? like its played by the elite and watched by the academic types?
seems so backwards honestly
its literally a sport played in the streets or the rundown field in town

>>155638109
It can easily go up to overtaking basketball, but will never get American football. Biggest issue is the massive racial issues that will come when all the sports popularized by African Americans get taken over by a sport that at best has true Africans and is mostly a Hispanic thing (Hispanics and blacks despise each other)

>>155638361
Opposite of NFL where the NBA players union is too strong. They solved the game and made it boring as fuck to extend their contracts to infinity

Football is already the most popular sport, Soccer might someday pass baseball and that's probably the ceiling, it will never be more popular than football or basketball

>>155638109
>could football replace handegg
No
>and baseball
Maybe. At this point, Baseball has been declining for decades and is more of a Japanese sport. In America, it's pretty much held up by aging boomers who remember when it was still the biggest thing in the mid 20th century. That and sometimes just wholesome family events. Mostly whites. But lot of Hispanics live in the US now.
>>155638343
Also spot on.

>>155638189
Baseball is literally backed by our government. So no.

>>155641187
Mexicans love the nfl

>>155641916
what do chinese and indians play?
also, isn't basketball dying because it became too boring?

It's becoming quite evident that foreigners have no idea what is/isn't popular in America.

>>155638361
>>155638646
^this imo
baseball is alright to play but boring as hell to watch
and I'm not into playing baseball either because I like my face and skull intact, being around 100mph projectiles isn't my idea of a good time and probably a reason other people don't play baseball as well

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>>155641980
>No
ADAPT OR DIE!!!

a lot of insecure baseball and basketball fans here. Neither of them is dying but to say that they're growing is wrong I think. Personally I think the bigger threat to these other sports is actually football, not soccer.
To me it feels like football is only growing relatively more popular, it's starting to feel like sports monoculture like most countries have with soccer. Of course we have so many people that there are still plenty of baseball, basketball and hockey fans, but the layman American the only sport they watch or can talk to you about is football.

>>155641915
I think Suburban is probably the right word for it, the elite types are playing lacrosse, hockey, golf, tennis

>>155638109
Maybe in 30.years when Mexicans are the majority? But I don't thinks so. Yurop doesn't understand that handegg has a whole other amateur level that is more popular than most professional sports. College football is a bigger deal than MLS, exponentially bigger

>>155642021
I'm surprised >>155639448 nascar and indycar are so small desu
and f1 isn't even on the radar

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>>155638109
i wish usabros get into football (soccer for em) since its the world sport, i bet thhey can get pretty good at it in 2 3 world cups

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>>155640985
wrong, college football mogs

>>155641992
Asians are within the NFL sphere but sometimes bleed into baseball or the more nobility sports (golf, tennis) Indians are cricket or rugby

>>155640538
>>155639898
>>155639804
baseball is going into a lockout lol. sit down paco
it will also lose to the NBA finals this year

>>155642093
the baseball fans are chicano sports refugees. too weak and short to play american football or basketball, too dogshit at soccer so they all get funneled into being doyerpacos

>>155642105
>and f1 isn't even on the radar
There is generally little care for imported sports since there's close to zero American participants and fans want representation.

>>155638109
To american frens : is it true that the black men are the strongest ones in the football games ? I've seen some matches and high school photos of americans and their football games and always the black guys are the strongest in the appearence, jacked, tall and so on.

>>155638109
Maybe in a generation when the us is non white even in the +60 age group

>>155642136
I never pay attention to NFL outside the superbowl, just college football. No commercials just the sport.

>>155642182
>fans want representation
So sumo wrestling is going to take off in america?

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>>155638109
No. High school football teams get bigger crowds than some pro clubs in Europe & South America

>>155642140
I simply cannot imagine a chinese guy playing american football wtf
I can't imagine him playing any sport at all (maybe volleyball?)
And this pushes a further question... What the fuck are Chinese girls even doing in the "physical activity" sphere?? Nothing?

Soccer fans in America are increasingly white because of the connection to the EPL
hispanics HATE england and the english league(s)

>>155639448
I think this metric is a little unfair to most sports. There are 17 NFL games in a season, while there are 162 games in each MLB season.
Each NFL game is something you plan around. If you miss an MLB game, so what, they're playing tomorrow too, and the day after that, and the day after that, etc.

>>155642136
That's crazy as hell horse racing is that high, UFC should be higher.

>>155638109
no
we kinda care about soccer right now because the world cup is here and our team is off to a good start
when we inevitably lose soccer will quickly fall back into irrelevancy

>>155642136
Man I remember when Hockey was HUGE in the 90s in the US.

>>155638109
No. And I will not elaborate.

>>155642264
only low iq minorities watch fighting
>>155642306
nah, tons of normies love to watch it and gamble once per year on the kentucky derby

>>155642093
Baseball has been declining for the past 50 years with no real domestic growth, and basketball lost the cultural zeitgeist due to the internet being global

american soccer needs fans who are soccer-first and prioritize it over other sports. right now so much of the soccer crowd are casual fans who are just repping their town and not much of sports fanatics. if soccer continues to be perceived as less hip than american sports the number of casual fans adopting their local teams as their own will not increase significantly

>>155642205
No we have a White phenotype called a cornfed, they are pretty strong. But more of the husky type, blacks have the leaner muscled look

the truth is, all sports are declining now all around the world
kids league barely have enough kids to fill the rosters

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NFL is fucking awesome, but college football? Really?

If you are spending an entire fucking saturday in a parking lot grilling burgers and you're NOT related to someone on the field, if you're not somebody's uncle, dad, cousin or grandparent what the fuck are you doing with your life


Dude you went to Ol' Miss Fart 20 years ago man, you're an accountant. Your frat days are over, move on.

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People here will act like baseball is some dying meme because they don't personally care for it, and yet here's Valve posting about the Mariners today.

>>155642336
>NBA = spoiled cocksmokers that don't even want to play and cry about every touch being a foul
>NFL = kneelers
>MLB = naptime
>UFC = based
>NHL = based

>>155641915
It was kinda like that in Japan too. European things tend to be seen ''classy''.

>>155642424
College football is a more pure game than the NFL. It's hard to explain but it feel different.

>>155642424
yuros will never understand the SOVL of college sports

>>155638109
No the sport is so gay the only thing its got going for is the fans but they dont have any other options so they dont know non gay sports exist

>>155638109
No. The world cup is fun because rooting for your country is fun but just like the Olympics it will end and everyone will go back to other NA sports.

>>155638109
>oowwwie owwwiie I got lightly poked owwieeeee

>>155642537
>the only sport I see declining is the nfl considering its 99% white fan base
thanks for confirming you're a retarded autist whose never been to a sports game. football is popular amongst EVERYONE you fucking mongrel.

>>155641915
>i heard that in the USA soccer is a rich people sport?
Upper middle class liberals got into the game for their kids because it was seen as being multicultural and trendy, rather than for the sport itself. It's why soccer has a relatively shitty perception to most Americans because these same soccer moms and ex-hippies had made it appear its for sissies by downplaying the physical contact and the idea of 'play nice' of encouraging no aggression. There's a good episode in King of the Hill that portrays this stereotype really well.

>>155638109
Baseball is already dead, handegg is not, but hopefully it dies.

>>155642655
Nah, football will never die. Soccer may increase in popularity here, but will never ever get to where Football is.

>>155638109
Baseball is doing okay
Handegg is king
I can easily see soccer replacing the NBA though

>>155642609
calm down guy, maybe I’m just in a bubble but I did K-12 in NYC and still here and I’ve legitimately never come across someone who watches football, it’s either the Yankees and Knicks , or the Mets (kek)

>>155641992
The nba final was the most watched in decades so no viewership is not declining

>>155642020
I think this is a bigger obstacle to soccer’s popularity here than yuros realize. The public stereotype of an average American soccer fan is extremely negative. Basically an effeminate liberal urbanite yuppy who wishes he was European. Most Americans, including lefties, still like their country and being too big a soccer fan is perceived as odd and even suspiciously un-American.

>>155642897
What matters is the average. Finals will always attract people, esp if its between two specific teams that is pushed by the media as a big deal. Like I never watch most NFL matches, but I will watch the Superbowl as part of a ritual.

>>155642738
Kinda. NYC is not a football city and it doesn't help that their teams are mostly awful and/or play in new jersey

>>155642952
This, I don't watch the NBA or NFL seasons or playoffs, but I'll watch the superbowl, and every 2 years I'll watch one or two finals games

>>155641915
It's not expensive to play but the stereotypical soccer mom is white middle class and has the means and responsibility to schlep their kids around to wherever soccer is being played in the city every week.

The other big sports usually have a highschool team so the school handles 99% of that your kid just needs to sign up and maybe pay for equipment so those sports have way more lower class kids.

>>155642205
Nope strongest players are on the oline and besides specialty special team positions it is the most white dominant positions

>>155638189
>>155638322
What about basedball?

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He was censored and was expelled just for insulting an adversary while concealing his mouth, in 20 of june of 2026, in the World Cup.

FIFA will pay for doing this to him.

This is the WORST WORLD CUP EVER.

FIFA is censoring us…. FIFA will pay for this.

only thing i've learned from this world cup is that australians are a bunch of meanie heads

>>155638109
soccer is too low event. How are you supposed to gamble on it? You can only pick total goals and over under. In football, basketball and baseball you place 20+ bets every minute.

>>155643161
Why are anglos like this?

I think a lot of people fail to realize how quick turning American culture is. It's very likely the WC will go well, continue to be very popular in the States. And then in September most people won't care anymore and have moved on- to CFB, NFL, politics, some HBO show. We are truly a different breed.

>>155643242
I think the only way for soccer to have a lasting influence in America is if your team makes it to the semi finals.

>>155643242
They don't understand that soccer is just another sport here. There are other sport leagues playing every single day of the year.

>>155638384
I for one think humanity is blessed to have an indian-free zone in football

>>155643356
International football would be better if it were only Winter Olympics countries

>>155642105
You have no idea how boring nascar is to watch on TV
The only reason anyone watched turn left in the past was for the crashes, and with youtube now who wants to waste a Sunday watching a boring race when you can just look up crash highlights
The only kino thing about nascar is the drivers get in fights outside the cars which is more interesting than anything on the track

Local race tracks that do crazy shit on Friday nights are fun though

>>155643275
Even if US won it all I don't think it will change things much here even though the media will go nuts trying to say that it will. Americans need a team to root for, rivalries to develop etc. Something to engage with for months at a time like the other NA leagues.

with demographic shift football will be #2 sport in 34 years

>>155642020
Upper middle class leftoids who romanticze soccer as a part of European working-class culture while looking down on poor, less progressive local people, were really a cancer for the sport in Japan. They were obnoxious and way too snobbish. About half of soccer journalists were like that until like 2010s here.
Seems like the US had a similar issue.

>>155643578
no lol chicanos suck at soccer, they're all cucked into being boreball fags

>>155638109
When the country becomes plurality Hispanic, yes

>>155643624
see
>>155643611

/mlb/ is literally a mental asylum of schizophrenic tranime addicted chicanos
if anything soccer fans are increasingly white here because they push the EPL connection hard, including media like ted lasso

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>>155638109
no Americans who get into soccer will continue following European leagues, MLS won't overtake any of the established leagues in this cunt. If the question was will more US talents make there way to high profile leagues? Then yes.

The World Cup always generates interest, especially since we are hosting it this year, but unless the United States goes all the way in the tournament, it is unlikely to drive significant growth beyond the existing fan base.

People often compare it to hockey, but the hockey equivalent of the World Cup is the Winter Olympics games between the U.S. and Canada, which also draw massive attention. Even people who have never watched the NHL know about the 1980 Miracle on Ice. The NHL is the direct equivalent of MLS, but it is bigger. Everyone knows who Gretzky is. Rappers wear hockey jerseys as a fashion statement. Trump even used to mention Ovechkin in his speeches. Who even is the best player in MLS?

>>155643948
>Who even is the best player in MLS?
Messi plays for Miami

Soccer is objectively more artistic and less physical/violent than top American sports. And that's why people think it's gay here. Simple as

>>155643976
Shit, I forgot about that lol. Case in point really, we know Messi but think of him as an international star. MLS has had these guys about to retire since Beckham, but any guys who are playing their prime in MLS who are global stars?

>>155643611
I've been to baseball games in a dozen different cities and 95% of the fans are white. Most hispanics are not from baseball playing countries, and most chicanos are not from baseball playing parts of Mexico. I've lived in south Texas and the top sports for chicanos is 1. football (by far, they fucking love the Cowboys), 2. soccer (mostlythe Mexican league, and Real Madrid for some reason), 3. basketball (spurs mostly). Baseball is not on the radar.
LA is the exception since they do have more people from the baseball playing regions of Mexico, since it's right across the border

>>155644073
why larp like this paco? you think you will score white people points via baseball? lol
anyone can go on /mlb/ and see the hispanic floodgates have opened

>>155638343
you have that around female football too now and still grounds are empty
it's popular because millions played it themselves

>>155644153
>schizos on 4chan of all places liking baseball means all baseball fan are trooned out schizos

>>155644153
Do you think /mlb/ is a better represantitive of baseball fans than the fans at a dozen different ballparks? Houston is the only one I've been to with a notable hispanic presence and it was still maybe one quarter at most.

The problem is that all of the best players in the world have to go to Europe to hone their skills and prove themselves. Unlike all the thirdies out there, we have domestic sports with world class athletes and 100+ years of tradition behind them. You have to foster enough home grown talent to turn the MLS into a real world class league that everyone here will care about because you're not gonna convince majority of Americans that watching Prem matches at 3am is more fun than cheering for your local football team with your own community. I do think this country is going to be able to produce enough talent to be consistently competitive internationally over the next 50-100 years, but as far as domestic popularity, I think there is a hard ceiling firmly below basketball and football. And even in a major metro like the one I live in (San Diego) that lacks an NBA or NFL team, SDFC is still way less popular than the Padres so making 3rd place is gonna take some work too.

>>155644275
I don't think Americans would survive in Europe, we don't have A/C

>>155642136
professional league. i assumed that about college handegg but im pleasantly surprised that golf and college apehoop is now above the NBA. fuck that league
also this is misleading because it's just the championship. baseball probably is number 2 in total view. the natty is a cut above everything else in college sports

>>155643356
Don't worry, unlike you we play our sports completely with people of our own race, and eventually we will play football with people of india, not mercenaries

>>155646344
based

>>155643948
hockey's deal is that its regional. you go to new england or minnesota and its huge. you go to arizona and no one gives a shit.

mls is kind of like that, but they seem to have more national pull.
the nhl teams have more brand recognition like bruins, blackhawks, red wings but most hockey players are nobodies in US. messi and ronaldo are bigger than the nhl. but bruins/red wings are more relevant in their markets than even the biggest mls teams like the sounders or timbers or whatever

>>155638109
No black people and rural people dont care about it at all. These are the people who are typically caring about sports the most here

It is getting more popular here, especially within the last 10 years, but it definitely isnt close to being a main sport

why do hispanics hate basketball so much?
do they think they'll score white people points?

>>155638109
It will never be the top sport until MLS is the best league in the world

>>155647813
hispanics are short

>>155638109
Nah
Not unless they banned football
But if that happened I wouldn't ve surprised if fucking hockey becomes top dog cause it'll be the only violent sport left

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>>155638361
Baseball has been in decline since Mickey Mantke retired, yet still it remains

>>155638361
baseball ebbs and flows. in the 2010s they were struggling to adapt but its coming back slowly.

its comfy and everything else is way too overstimulating

>>155638109
only if all heritage americans were replaced by paper americans