Was 2002 Brazil the best team in the history of the World Cup?
>>155998996No.
>another thread where latinx "rivals" suck each other offso plastic lol
>>155998996Man, back then even the blacks looked white and civilized.
>>155999033What is it then?
>>155998996No, 2014 Germany was. Pure Teamgeist while having fun and completely destroying the host/final boss
>>155999125spain 2010 retard
>>155998996The most stacked for sureMaybe not the best when it comes to the games themself
>>155999415>Marco Reus>Marcel Schmelzer>Sven Bender>Max Kruseumm...
>>155998996Brazil had better players, 2014 Deutschland had a better team
>>155998996Not even the best Brazil team (1970)
no94 was
>>155998996I don't know about comparing different teams in history but i think it was the best team relative to all others in its time.
>>155998996Yes.
>>155998996>>1559991252006 Italy
>>155999415Nice edit
>>155998996Obviously it's 2026 USA
>>155998996Yes
>>155998996Not at all lol, they had impressive names but they didn’t play very wellAll the other winning Brazil teams in history were better and played better
>>1559991252026 Brazil
For me it’s past it Brazil in 2006
>>155998996Nobody had much faith in these guys in the weeks leading up to the WC.
>>15599912570s Brasil. not that anyone here was alive to see it
>>155999415The last gasp of the huwhite man before the meta became pacey ngubus, I kneel…
>>155998996Brazil 1970Brazil 1958Brazil 1962Brazil 2002Brazil 1994Brazil 2026That order, O HEXA
>>155998996
>>156000175Most of their games are on youtube
>Ronaldo >Rivaldo>Ronaldinho>Kaka>Roberto Carlos>Cafu>Lucio>All in their peaksThat team was truly insane.
>>155998996How about 2010 Spain?
>>155998996France 2026 is probably the most complete, physically dominant and skilled team in history desu, they have no weaknesses and will completely dominate this World Cup. People forget that every WC teams get better as athletes get faster and stronger and new tactics are developed. 2026 France is the ultimate culmination of that.
i remember when my belgies scored against brazil and they disallowed it. i think there was a lot of match fixing going on back thenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGwjQqXu_IM
>>155999125England 1966
>>155998996Argentina 2022-2026 was the only one to win it twice (Italian 34-38 and Brazil 58-62 are prehistoric football)
>>156000399>they have no weaknessesShit defenders + can’t win penalties with all these Ngubus
>>156000493Holy mufa
What about France 2018?
>>155998996just seeing this picture gives me chills>>156000493nigger 2002 brazil would run laps around us
>>155999415>>155999477>>155999895>>156000493>>156000445lollmao evenSit down and listen, brasilians are talking about football, maybe you will learn something
>>156000576Some players were black, so 2018 doesn’t count according to 4chan
>>1559989962006 was the WC with the highest level among all teams and Italy won, so pretty obvious.
>>155999848Nah, 2002 was kinda hard to win. 1970 will always be the stonger team
>>155998996It wasn't even the best Brazilian team.
>>156000175Yeah that seems to he the consensus
>>155999606They were considered a washed up team at the time of the cup. France, Argentina and even Italy were considered stronger rosters.
>>156000614Brapzil is not getting past Norway
>>156001047Daily reminder that Brazil almost didn’t qualify for the 2002 WC after losing against the powerhouses of Ecuador, Chile and Bolivia in the qualifiers, they qualified with 30 points while Colombia got eliminated with 27
>>1559989961 and 22 look like accountants having a mid life crisis fr fr
>>15600135920 doesn’t even know the concept of midlife crisis, he’s too busy enjoying being Brazilian
>>156001359football was better when it was mostly plain-looking, balding guys
>>156000175This desut. watched one game on youtube
>>155998996Not even tge strongest Brazilsee >>156000175
>>156000321None of them were at their peak
People who say 70s Brazil are total posers. First off they weren't even alive to watch that team, second football back in those days was totally different and way less developed than it is now. An average EPL team would completely destroy any 70s team purely on tactics and athleticism.
Brazil in 1970 and 1982
>>156002617for real it's actually 54 germany by far
>>1559989961982 was better than 2002Best team overall was 1970
>>156000493Amplifico mufa
>>156002722One of the best flow teams of all time
>>156002617But they were integral to elevating the game, no one would be as good as they are today without Pele and what he inspired.It's like saying Ali isn't the best boxer, when he completely changed the sport and everyone pays him homage.Players in 50 years will probably make Olise and Mbappe look like plodding fools, there will always be improvements to technique and fitness, so true originality and influence is the only way we can mark greatness
>>156003220Sure, but we're talking here about the BEST team and not the most influential one. The best team has to be one from the 2000s era no matter how much older teams influenced the sport.
>>155998996their rivals were....>turkey>costa rica>china>belgium>england>turkey>germany
>>156003467That was the best England of all time and one of the best German teams of all time.
>>1559989961970 Brazil won all their qualifier games, then won every game at the WC. They beat the current WC champs England, a very strong Uruguay side, and the Euro champs Italy.
no. it was spain 2010, as much as it makes people seethe
>>156003517>one of the best German teams of all time.LOL
>>155999477i know it was the euros but spain 2008 and 2012 were a lot better. 2012 spain team was possibly the greatest international side ever.
>>156003756Kahn was a wall, he's mostly forgotten because of Neuer, but if Neuer didn't exist he would've been considered the best German keeper of all time. Klose was also in his peak.
>>156000493Jinxed the imminent lose of Argentina>>155998996Nope, it was pic related
>>156003959>He doesn't remember the Kahn vs Lehmann feud
>>156002722Not a single one of them is remembered in 2026
>>156004192They are all very much remembered
>>156003705>lost to Switzerland and barely beat Paraguay>every knock-out game was 1-0This can never be the GOAT team.
>>1559989961970 Brazil>inb4 plumbers lolWhatever, relative to their era then.
>>156002617That's the dumbest take ever. Congrats in your absolute retardation.>HURRRRR, Einstein was actually dumb because kids learn about modern physics today in school...That's how you sound, dumbfuck.
>>156004045based.what a summer 1998 was
>>156001276We lost to fucking Honduras too, lol
>>156004192Zico definitely is. The rest not so much, maybe Socrates but he was better known for being a Greek philosopher.
>>155998996Did they even win? Sorry, i am not a 30+ disgusting old person. I don't remember that tournament.
>>155998996Brazil team in 1998 was better than in 1994 or 2002.
>>155998996Brazil 1982
>>155999477Dumbfuck>>156000175Correct
>>156000783
>>156004395Completely different fields. Intelligence is a genetic trait and physics is not a sport.
Okay, but what are the greatest teams in history, not counting anything from Brazil?
>>155999103Because they were blacks, not niggers, Ronaldinho was loved in the super racist Spain, now the NT is full of NIGGERS, even the white players are NIGGERS
>>155998996https://youtu.be/C74W0YMPZbgIts widly known to be the 1970 squad
>>155999477Ah yes the 1-0 specialists
>>155998996On the paper, this one >>156000131 was better, Adriano and Ronaldinho around their prime, a better version of Kaká (very close to his prime, c. 2007), but post-prime Ronaldo, Cafu and Roberto Carlos. Not to mention some players were slightly overweight during that specific point of the year.>Was 2002 Brazil the best team in the history of the World Cup?No, to name a few 1970 Brazil, 1974 Germany and 1974 Netherlands, 1982 Brazil were better during their respective eras. 2010 Spain was up there too.
>>155999477soulless tiki taki nonsense
>>155999415You can't name a single germ*n of that squad that were better than R9
>>156005195manuel neuer
>>155999477>1-0 merchants were better than the one of 3 teams in world cup history to win all of their gamesYou people are unironically retarded.
>>156005242He isn't even the best GK of all time, if he stopped when he realized he got older then sure, but these past seasons still count, he's been fucking dreadful.
>>156005436he's the best and it's not even close
>>156005507Dida in his prime was better than him.
>>156005507He couldn't save a shot during this WC, it's like watching a geriatric man in goal.That second Bayern x Real Madrid game really exposed him, every ball towards his goal went in.
>>156001450Kek he is the #blessed>>156001632When boots went from mostly black to all sorts of colours it all went to shit
>>155998996On paper yes. They had the two best wing backs of all time, plus 4 ballon d’or winners. I don’t think any other national team will ever come close to that.
>>156005775Oh fuck I forgot about Kaka, I was about to correct you lolIt's a crime he was a bench player
>>156000200I feel somehow like you have political objections to the philosopher-king himself. 86?With all this bickering about casting the new Odyssey film I was thinking I'm 100% convinced in my own mind Odysseus can only really have been accurately portrayed in appearance and probably spirit by Sócrates Brasileiro Sampaio de Souza Vieira de Oliveira
>>155998996relative to their era would be Uruguay results wise at least1924, 1928, 1930they might've even claped italy in 1934 but they refuse to go to their WC out of spite
>>156005195Tomas Mueller
>>156000175this desuL'ESCADRON
>>156000321The only one at his peak was Denilson who is the only reason you macacos qualified and you fucking omit him
>>155998996spain 2010, guardiola's fc barcelona with messi is still the best club team ever, and that team was it minus messi + some real madrid players
>>156000321Kaka played like 20 minutes in the tournament. And Rivaldo's peak was already over. Even Ronaldo with his great performance was a step down from his role in 1998.
>>156001359They were 29yo at the timeThose three goalkeepers are in the top 5 of best brazilian GKs of all time btw
>>1559994772008 was something else
>>155998996Wasn't the 2006 team better? We just got too cocky.
>>155998996It's funny how 10 year old me knew more about the 2002 Brazil squad than 34 year old me knows the current squad of my own country
>>156009556>spain 2010reddit team, they actually lost to Switzerland in group stage and won 1-0 in every KO match.
>>156003467Brazil 2002 is overrated for some reason and they wouldve lost to Belgium without the blatant refball
>>155999477>Zoomers
>>156002617>le old le bad>calling others posers
>>156005775Nilton Santos and Carlos Alberto Torres played in the 60s and 70s thoughbeit
>>156009823it's not some luckbox team lol, they won euros few times too.are you saying peak barcelona is meme team too, they had the fcb core +couple madrid stars. and madrid was too really good with ronaldo back then
>>156003339Eye test is what matters. No 2000s era Brazil pass it better than they did in 1982 or 1970
France 2026 would be contenders if they had actual DMs and not shitters like Choumeni and Rabiot
>>156000493te re regalaste chaval jajaja
>>156010146Tiki Taka system babies, once they got figured out they never won again. Talent wise they're a tier below 2002 Brazil. Xavi and Iniesta warmed the bench for Rivaldo and Ronaldinho for years. Torres and Villa were nowhere near R9, and Capdevila is nowhere near Roberto Carlos level. And at RB, Cafu was better than Ramos.
>>156003517>>156003959Germany was also considered a has been on that tournament. They were comming from losing the brillant 1990's world champions generation, and an early exit in France 1998. Also they were humillated in Munich by England during the qualifying stages losing 5-1. Rudi Völler was considered a subpar coach and the whole midfield and forwards second class. If anything the fact that Frings, Ballack and Klose had a great performance was against the odds. The team was mostly a mirage because in the next Euro, Portugal 2004, the team fall short and was eliminated in groups. That was the shake up needed so the next generation of Lahm, Podolski, Schweinsteiger and such got a chance in the team and start a true rebuild.
Football fans refusing to admit the sport evolved as usualWatch the 98 final, the space, the lack of pressing
>>156005195böse german
>>156002617Yes retarded and the average EPL team from 2060 would destroy Real Madrid from today
>>156009695i loved the 2008 team, the style they played under Aragones was much better. The 2012 team was probably even better, absolutely demolished Italy in the final.
>>156011192no, football has gone downhill in the last 10 yrs
>>155999477Barcelona fag detected
>>156002722>brazilian philosophers
>>156005156I think the team from the summer of 2004 to the next summer of 2005 was stronger and more balanced. It was a fool's errand try to put Ronaldo, Adriano, Kaka and Ronaldinho at the same time. The 2005 Confederations Cup showed what the team was capable of, if only Parreira didn't fail to manage the locker room.That was the last time that Brazil had the aura of being an unbeatable team.
>>155998996Of the ones I was actually alive to watch I'm torn between '98 and '02. '98 lost but the team itself was pretty strong up until the end. '06 was theoretically strong too but fat R9 and half the players being well past their prime brings it down.>>156000321>post-injury RonaldoThe guy did great in 2002 and redeemed himself but that was not his peak. We unfortunately never got to see peak R9 win a WC because of the seizure in '98 and him destroying his knee in '99.
2010 spain and it is not even close, I would raise you the 2008 Spain Euro squad but you asked for WC Squads
>>156002617>purely on tactics and athleticism.but they wouldn't win in PLAYINGtactics are to create a fake chemistryathleticism is there to hide lack of skills
>>156002617Dude their matches are available to watch on youtube for freeAlso the average EPL team is fraudulent i thought we had already settled this on the cwc
>>156014310They were a great team but played boring football under Del Bosque in that tournament. They were MUCH better in Euro 2012.
2026 France is the best team They will win all 8 games by 2+ goals
>>156015225Del Bosque was only there to soothe the ego of the Real Madrid. He lucked out that the whole squad form lasted that long and the rise of Xabi Alonso and Busquets.
>>156015640yeah Aragones was better
>>1560027221982 defence was poor1982 attack was only Serginho1982 midfield was amazing (Socrates, Cerezo, Falcao, Zico, Eder)
>>155998996Apparently Hungary in the 50s is considered the greatest according to soccer nerds. But 2002 Brazil was pretty good too, they were the dream team for a long time.Hungary changed the game completely in the 50s and soccer has changed fuck all since.
>>155999415This side decimating Brazil 7-1 was a turning point in history. They've still not recovered, though finally they're consistent-ish again.
>>156000175>>156000200Stop bringing up these boomer teams, they'd be nothing in the context of the modern sport
>>155999477People will piss and moan but they're a top 5 team maybe even top 3>le 1-0Only thing that matters is that you win
>>156014310jesus painter, they won all the games 1-0 grow some sense
>>155998996Maybe brazil back when they had 5 number 10 in their starting XI, in 1970 i think or somethingThat team was insanely technicalBut 2002 Brazil is ridiculous
>>156015739It was supposed to be Careca and Reinaldo as the strikers, but they got injured.
>>156000175>>156000265>>156000990>>156001657>>156001775>>156004803>>156009134>>156015855why are 70's BRAZIL considered the strongest team of ALL HISTORY
>>155998996>needing refball to beat belgiumhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGwjQqXu_IM
>>156015855modern teams wouldn't be anything in the context of boomer murderballing
>>156015919they steamrolled Czechoslovakia and beat England (previous champions) in the group phase, then proceeded to breeze through the knockouts and steamroll Italy in the finalsPelé, Jairzinho, Tostão and Rivellino were all monstrously good in that cup, with solid defense on the backs of Carlos Alberto and Gérson, and the whole team played with really good chemistry. it sorta pioneered the way teams play today, with offensive pressure based on quick passes and player movement to break lines
Brazil 98 was better than 2002, even without dinho. France 98 was one of the strongest I've seen as well they just didn't have a star striker.The standard answer is 1970 Brazil though.>>156003339Then your answer is France 2026
2010 UruguayUnbelievable choke going out in the semis with that squad
>>156015906The 3 R's, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho.I don't do soccer, but I knew those names were god tier and they installed fear in opponents.That's 3 Messi/C.Ronaldo tier players in one side.
>>156005436He's the best of all time, be quiet
>>155998996Not even the best Brasil
>>156010741>>156003959Ballack and Kahn were very good, Klose delivered goals, that's about all you can say for Germany during that period. Linke, Frings and Metzelder would have been nowhere near the squad a 5-10 years prior.
>>156016712I'm looking at that squad now, they might just pip them.
>>156015919They were what zoomers and millenials think 2006 brazil was supposed to be
>>156010734meh, i would take xavi iniesta over rivaldo and ronaldinho any day, way more skilediniesta like best middlefield ever with zidane. would take him over rivaldo or ronaldinho any day
>>156016560France 06 were also a powerful side.
>>156009695most entertaining spain team everthe dutch were insane in the groups as well but choked the knockouts as per>>156011337actually most people have said this at every point over the last 50 years or so, depending on your age
>>1560169532012 were just as if not more entertaining IMOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shXSZYWDHdQ
>>15601579050s Hungary have the highest ELO I believe. They lost only 1 game in the space of 6 years and it was an upset in the world cup final. Then the revolution happened and the players dissipated.
>>155998996The 1998 France team was so fucking stacked. I'd give them the nod as best team of my lifetime. One of the 70s Brazil team was insanely stacked though and probably the correct answer
>>155999415Mickey mouse path and got away with cheating
>>155999477fucking cringe, kys
>>156016953>actually most people have said this at every point over the last 50 years or sodisagree, ive literally never heard anyone say the quality was better in the 50s, 60s, 70s or 80s00s and early 2010s was the peak
>>156003959Kahn is still better than Nuer. Kahn was insane
>>156016783To be fair, the 3 R's were almost on par with the 5 players with a photo in >>156015906 pic.That's kinda astonishing considering those names in the 70s side are considered some of the best that have played.
>>156000175100% thisnot only did they have Pele but they had Garrincha and a bunch of other great, great, great players
>>156000493Anulo mufa you fucking retard.
>>156017214In the 80s people said football was better in the 70s for example. That's what I mean.
>>156015855if people played defense against Kane and Mbappe the way they defended Maradona and Pele they would both just explode into atoms
>>156017214I used to see an occasional game in the late 90s/early 00s and I swear there were way more Messi/C.Ronaldo tier players back then.
>>156002617How could this be true when the level of play is noticeably worse this World Cup than the past 4 Cups?
>>156017319There's survivorship bias going back that far as well. Lots of talented players got nowhere in their career because they were kicked to shit. A lot of of players discarded as their careers started because they were too small or not robust enough. You got hatchetmen filling the gaps.>>156017363There was a lot more flair but players were more specialised too.
>>156016675No that's probably Buffon or Zoff
>>156017266Garrincha didn't play that cup
Thing is, if coaches and teams were more clever, big name players could be taken out of the game completely and potentially a liability. Soccer tactics haven't really cooked much for years because of over-reliance on throwing money at big players.
>>156017579Well you gotta make guys like Messi and Mbappe defend to tire them out. That's where other sports understand that stamina is just as important as skill. Best boxers in the world are guys who have insane endurance. The cardio game is what separates guys at the top from the Kanes and the Messis
>>155999103>Arms not fully covered in tattoosWow, it didn't even register with me before you mentioned people looking more civilized
>>156017677Yeah but they really don't master surge tactics and confusion tactics as well as I thought. In Lacrosse you don't even need to tire them out, you try to get your opponents' players lost and out of position or just confused, then pick at opportune times. In AFL we're doing that a lot now too. This is probably NFL influence in both sports though.In soccer they just sorta stand in a place and hold that position and I just think it's because they didn't bother teaching them a tactic or play to confuse the opponent out of positions better. That's the impression I get from the few matches I've seen so far. NFL is, ironically considering they start off a play statically, the best to see this. The players move all over the shop to create chaotic conditions and outsmart the defense (or in some cases the offense) to get an advantage. I'm shocked soccer players don't do plays with deliberate aggressive dribbling as a feint tactic to draw more defenders.
>>156000113This is not a humor thread
>>156017363there were, pep and enrique's barca teams were possibly the best teams of all time, and in the 00's you had the real madrid galacticos and great italian teams. all full of flair players.
Then again, soccer players tend to only watch soccer religiously so maybe that's why they haven't seen the problem with modern soccer tactics. They're stuck in 1980.One day a team will actually think for a second, employ new tactics and old soccer fans will complain that it's not soccer or something.
>>155998996'98/'02/'06and one man took them down...
>>156017998meta completely changed after 1990https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-pass_rule>The back-pass rule was introduced in 1992[5] to discourage time-wasting and unduly defensive play after the 1990 World Cup was widely criticised as excessively dull, rife with back-passing and goalkeepers holding up the ball to waste time.[6]
>>156017363Just Argentina had so many talented players it was unbelievable, Batistuta, Ortega, Aimar, Gallardo, Veron, Riquelme, Redondo. The pool was much larger,
>>155998996I would like to say '02But 1970 Brazil, no doubt.
>>156017363
>>156017257>3 R's were almost on par with the 5 players with a photoNo, they weren't. Ronaldinho as a player was still developing in 2002. Ronaldo was steps behind of his absolute peak in 98-99 and Rivaldo was the only close to his peak but already getting old.
>>156018201Lacrosse has that as well.Honestly, AFL kinda needs it too. The switch is boring to watch.
>>156018432the italian league in general was amazing in the 90s. del piero, vieri, inzaghi, nedved, davids, seedorf, weah, rui costa, maldini, cafu
>>156018726Yeah same problem the AFL's having kek.Low scoring. Conservative static zoning tactics.But this year has seen more forward ball movement and more interesting plays with AFL so it might be changing. Getting rid of more stoppages I'll have to admit is working (sad because I like ruck wrestle contests ;_; ).
>>155998996Brazil 1970, hermano.
>>156018432To this day I still day that 2000s Argentina was one of the most insane teams ever and the only fact that they aren't rememberes as much is because Brazil dominated the 00s in South America.I believe that team would destroy 2022 and 2026
There are so many great candidates, and they are hard to compare across the eras. There is no right answer, but you can argue in favor of a ton of teams. Even some that didn't win the title>>156017363Modern football is dominated by data science and academy training. Combined, obviously. The result is that the "average" pro is better than ever. But the truly exceptional talent does not require it. These types of players actually suffer, the modern approach to football suffocates their technical brilliance, their creativity. These traits are also sometimes less in demand than raw speed, for example. In any case, the result is that players are much more uniform than in the past - and they play more uniformly as well. So they stand out less
>>155998996will we ever see a Rogerio Ceni again?
>>156019282zoomers will still tell you football's better than ever because muh stats
>>1559989961954 west germany for sure.
>>156019495I disagree, the uniformity is exploitable and they're just bad tacticians that just don't understand how to use good players because of total football bullshit.
>>155999415Lol noThese guys barely beat us
>>156015855So, in 50 years, you're going to use that argument to talk about the 2010s? Messi is a plumber blabla
>>156019842it's already borderline unplayable to allow one player to freely roam around. it just barely works for messi right now and that's arguable the best football player ever..
>>156020204Well maybe if you did a few moves with dribbling instead of relying on short passes that might change.It could break through defense too, but more importantly it can confuse any setups.That's sort of breaking "zones" in AFL nowadays but it's kinda been around for a while. Loose players become absolutely necessary for things like forward presses.
>>156020204The best players ever can beat a man easily
Then again, more space on an AFL ground.Maybe take away 2 players from the soccer field to allow more room? VFA did that here like 50 years ago and it made it compete with the VFL at one point because of how much it improved the game.>can't do this today, because the industry wouldn't allow it as less players get an opportunityThen make the ground larger?They made grounds smaller here and I swear the games got shitter and more congested because of it.
>>156020430Maradona used to obliterate any formation because his style of play was far too fast and aggressive to let it work. Soccer players tend to be far too conservative and clean with the ball instead of just trying to gain metres at times very quickly. Maradona, while also clean, was best when he was messy and went forward fast, often with dribbling. It just broke defense forms with ease and they didn't know how to deal with it. In AFL, this is just part and parcel and defense formations are broken often. But then the tactic becomes "well strike back on the scoreboard faster than them". That can be a flaw though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=442NF5cZhyc>modern soccerHow is it still like this? kekOther sports are unrecognisable today, yet soccer is still as shit as it was in the 90s because of money and uncreative tactics.
>>155998996not even the best brazil in the history of the world cup
>>156000493Infiltrado de mierda. Anulo mufa.
>>155998996In pure skill no but in skill + charisma and entertainment factor absolutely. There will never be another team like it.
>>156000576The only other realistic contender in 2018 was Belgium
>>156019793Might as well consider 1974 Germany? Both sides beat the superteam of their time
>>1559991252026 France
>>156024231Brazil from 2004 Copa America & 2005 Confederations was better.
>>156018726That was my dad's favourite WC, said paolo rossi was the goat
>>155999415They were Terminators, big H would be proud
