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no goal.if he didn't want it to be ruled offside, maybe he shouldn't have jumped
Goal. Touch or no touch is irrelevant because he's played onside by Renato Veiga's deliberate attempt to head the ball
>>156139859Goal. He did not touch the ball.
>>156139699The ball touched that afro guys head
>>156139699I don't get it, you can see the ball clearly moved his hair, or in other words, he touched it.So why are people crying rigged?
offside>>156139990the ball has a sensoroffisde
>>156140059>you can see the ball clearly moved his hair
>>156139990he did as he snaps his head towards it.we even have indisputable proof it touched him.
>>156139699This opens another debate, was this Ronnie's goal or not?
>>156140170so it touched
No goal, whistle should have blown for the end of the game 2 minutes earlier.
>>156139699Should have shaved his head KWAB
>>156139910Curious about how "deflection" is defined in the rule book. To me it looks pretty clear he's crouching for the ball.
>>156140199retards will say the spike at the exact moment the player snaps his head at the ball is coincidental.
>>156139699>10 minutes added time>this happens in the 13th>clearly offside>science has shown that he touches the ballAll your argument is >it would have been kino if it countedStop being retards
>>156140170>perhaps if I post a webm with shittier quality than OPs, I can trick themfuck off gook
>>156139699No goal, you can see it grazed his head by the way his hair moves
>>156140060>the ball has a sensorwhich only 4 people that have a direct line to infantino can see
Just imagine they pull this shit in the finals? Is this what I have to look forward to? I may as well stop watching now
>>156140286>so it touched>>156140349>perhaps if I post a webm with shittier quality than OPs, I can trick them
>>156139699the hair of god
>>156140325He'd have to be literally retarded not to attempt to play the ball in that situation
No goal. However after review, number 7 Portugal was unfairly subbed off,final decision no goal, penalty Portugal
>>156139699No goal. The refs said so, that's good enough for me.
>>156139699you can visibly see it brush his hair but it doesn't change the trajectory of the ball at all, in a sane world they would have allowed to goal
>>156139990he did brush it, unless you are blindno goal, rules are rules
>>156140408The hair moves by the player's own movment to hit the ball, but he actually misses it
>>156140501But they didn't even consider that whilst making the call.
>>156140459anon... I...
>>156140560Exactly.
>>156140199>(((indisputable)))
>>156139699Why don’t these idiots spend more money on cameras instead of this gay ass “technology”They make so much money
>>156140702because it's rigged
>>156139699100% a goal.
if a ball unintentionally hits a player and goes towards their opponent who is on a offside position, is that offside?
Lurch your head forward as if you're trying to head a ball, see if your hair doesn't move stupid faggots
>>156140199Can even have a quick shriek without audio experts weighing in
>>156140199So there's only one bump despite 13 heading the ball 50 milliseconds later? Where is that bump?
>>156140869a ball doesn't have intentions
>>156140060>yes, there is a sensor and here is the picture of the sensor screen, no your eyes looking at the game don't count
>>156140869if i shot to score, but it hit a defender and my teammate, that was offside, gets the ball, its offside
The thread where you niggers seriously debate whether a goal was right to be dissalowed based on a fucking sensor in a fucking ball and a room full of cameras and a wired referee and these rotating computer graphix simulation is yet another proof that Uncle Ted was right. Just rig the fucking games properly, who gives a fuck, Jews will utilize whatever score there is at polymarket or whatever. As soon as you have the debate about hairs touching the sensor you know the sport you loved is gone
>>156139699It was an own goal by Portugal and thus any action by Croatia's offense does not negate a mistake by the Portugal's defense. But if they want to rely on sensors rather than common sense: Either shave every player bald or make them wear a skin cap. In addition to a fencing-like bodysuit with sensors that show exactly where/when/how contact was made.
Who cares. Nobody goes through us.
>>156139699>>156140199>>156140431It's not VAR that is causing all these controversies. It's because the current meta in football is to exploit your positioning as much as you can before being offside. That's why we have all of these close calls. If anything we need more strict offside rules to prevent goal hanging. Maybe they should draw horizontal lines on the pitch 1.5 m away from each other and attackers can't receive passes in the same area as the last defender
>>156140207to ME, ronaldo touched it. idc what snickos or sneedos say.
TRUST THE TECHNOLOGY GOY
>>156140989The debate is what generates intrigue and more people talking about the game which creates more revenue.
>>156139699I MAKE MY QUESTION AGAINYou see sometimes when there's a player left next to the GK and then a teammate pass the ball to the GK and this player take the ball and score, all of this is fair, in here we see the ball being passed around by the portugal players into the croatian player, wouldn't it count as the same scenario then?
>>156139859YOUYOU'RE ALL WRONG. the entire thing rests on the INTENTION of Veiga (the "ducking" Portugal defender):If he intended to touch the ball:........GOALIf did not:....................................NO GOALit's that simple/stupid
>>156140921don't worry about it
>>156140985so the cross was offside with or without the hair touch
>>156140985But the hair shouldn't be a condition nor metric which is that decided. You didn't touch the ball just because graze your hair
What I hate about moments like these is that somehow the camera angles are ALWAYS garbage, despite every other play in the game having very clear viewing angles.Not rigged at all.
>>156140989the tech allows us to ascertain with exactitude that it was offside.you call it "rigging" because you don't like the result.
>>156141129not the same because the pass was not made with the intention on scoring in the net; in other words, that pass was not made to aid the resulting goal
>>156141242Thousands of cameras filming it and we always get the shittiest fucking off-kilter angle for 5 seconds
>>156141169pls see:>>156141132>>156141132>>156141132
>>156139699I'll wait for the israel take on this
>>156141358was he trying to dodge the ball?
>>156140207we already solved that debate
>>156141400>bombs the stadium
>>156139699goal, he was touched by the wind
>>156140060there's no sensor they just made that story up so they could rig it like they just did
KURWA
>>156141447Clearly he was playing it. He was literally crouching to head the ball
>>156139699Did the ball go in the net?
>>156141169i dont think he was offside from the first pass
>>156140921they only show the waveform relevant to the case
>>156139699Everyone can tell that's a goal.Can't wait for Musk's robots to replace all refs once and for all.
>>156141603By pure coincidence I bet.
>>156141538A bit too late isnt?
>>156141132based stellacrodie
>>156139699now i remember why this sport sucks. The rules are stupid and everything is fake and gay
Goal. If VAR is required, the decision should not be on if it hit Croatia’s 20 (where no clear and obvious footage exists anyway, and I would need to see the full sensor beat map for reference instead of a single bump if we are judging that) but if Portugal’s 13 played the ball. Ducking with his head and arms in the position they are shows a clear intent to head the ball away.
>>156141740What's too late? Speak clearly nigga
>>156141358this is true, i dont know much about soccer, but there is a thing called positional offside or something like that, about how you didnt need to tough the ball to take part in the game, the most obvious case, im an attacker, and i just block some defender so that my teammate can score, that is offside even when i dont touch the ball because i affect the other teammaybe, even if he didnt touch the ball, since he tried and the other team reacted to it it would be offside
>>156139699>>156140985but if you shoot to score, the defender attempts to hit the ball with his head but fucks it up and your teammate gets it, it's onside. >>156141132That faggot was "ducking" to try to head the ball.That means a deliberate play.That means robbery.Can someone seriously claim that the defender was trying to "duck" out of the way, not lean into the ball to hit it when he's trying to defend?What's the claim here, that he magically knew that it would be a goal, and that the magical hair touch would save his ass?fuck this. FIFA is fake and gay
>>156139699Literally touched itKeep seething cucks
>>156140560B-but the sensors!The sensors are so sensitive, they can even sense hair.
>>156141816(((Curiously))) they didn't even consider that. Fuck me I hate this shit but I still have to watch it. (((They))) got me in their claws.
>>156139699FINAL DECISIONNO GOAL
>>156139699I dont get it tho, the last touch came off a Portugal player. Are they saying that doesnt count, but the alleged touch from the croatia player does??? did the rules change in the last 10 yrs or something? genuine question i stopped watching wokeball a decade ago
Odd how all the american posters (FIFA shillbots) say it wasn't a goal
>>156141923>they can even sense hairthat's how sensors usually work, yes
NO GOAL
>>156139859>>156139699ACK
>>156141126Based knower.
You know what, I change my mind, it's a goal. If you look at the ball's spin - that should change in some way if there is any reasonable contact with the player. There is no reasonable contact so it's onside. I guess I was biased, also the attacker would have expected a flick, it just looks so natural that he would have gotten something on it, but the replay shows nothing, especially not clear and obvious - goal stands period. (obviously I am not that other retard irish anon claiming the defender played the ball).
Hair won't even change the ball's trajectory retards.
why don't they just play the xbox game instead, that's entirely digital and calls are instant
>>156140199Antivaxxie are really mad with this one
>>156142002Yeah, I'm sure it can detect the 0.0001N force from touching the player's hair, and check the difference from that and a burst of wind
>>156139699>You DecideNo. VAR and the referees decided. I don't decide shit.
>>156139699Even if he didnt touch it the other guy was still offside from the original kick
>>156142178yes, it canif it's a good sensor anyway
>>156142118>just play 15 minutes extra untill croatia scoreand then give a shady decision that "hair doesn't change trajectory" while it hits a sensor.>that wouldn't be riggingno, no goal
>>156142117You can't pick and choose what's "reasonable contact". Thats completely meaningless especially when we have tech that shows there was clear contact.
Obvious goal, referee is paid of. Referee info: https://www.fotball.no/fotballdata/person/profil/?fiksId=3455813
>>156140060>trust the sensor goy
>>156142256Wind is arguably strongerAnd you probably don't know shit about sensors anyways
>>156140590How about I brush your mom's bush with my dick?
>>156141603Which is madness. This “header” is followed by another header from Portugal.If the size of that header is so high that when you zoom out to fit it on the graphic you can no longer see the offending bump, then what the fuck are we doing?
>>156139699If the sensor reckons contact then no goal. I think I saw a glimpse of trajectory change but this is a poor quality webm so there's that
>>156139699You can’t see a GODDAMN thing>trust the (((science))) yeah no my lying eyes have gotten me this far just fine
>>156139910This.
>>156142256Was this you? >>156139860 kek
>>156142438no lol but I wish I was the sensor
>>156142305>we have techYou're retarded if you trust this non-sense "tech" from FIFA
fags who fucking cares
So that's it? FIFA gave the cup to Messi last time, now they want to give it Cristiano Ronaldo?
The Croatian header doesnt matter because even if he didnt touch it the guy was still offside from the original Croatian kick
>>156140560Does the rule state the touch has to change the direction of the ball? Or is a touch enough?I would guess is the later.
>>156142118It's about contact, not trajectory. Trajectory makes it obvious but that's not a constant and you will need info to confirm the subtle ones
>>156142421the thing is they dont trust science or tech, because if they do they would get rid of refs and let the cold hard machine do all the ref by the rule by the millimeter
>>156139699safe and effective
There was a stoppage due to fans throwing debris onto the pitch after the VAR ruling. Anyone have any videos or webms of it?
>>156142540No because it came off the Portugal defender.
>>156142546what if a drop of sweat from my body touch the ball, are they gonna call that too?
>>156139699Offsides in this sport is so fucking dumb. Why don't they make it more like hockey? Once you're that close to the goal offside shouldn't even be a thing.
>>156142540Thing is; the ball touched Renato later, in theory that would've made Pasalic go from offside to onside but... he was in clear direction to the goal and ball in advantage from the start. So the initial contact made the whole play null afterwards.
>>156140199fucking matrix rules
>>156140060>the ball has a sensorMay I see it?
>aerodynamics law whatever makes the ball slow down from the resistance near the players head, same as if you blow air into water making it move>the sensor picks it up>it's an offside withouth the player not even touching the ball, as the offside rules state so>b-but he changed the course of the ball!! no he didnt, chud. portugal is being rigged the same as argentina was last wc
>>156142597No, because it wasn't a play on the ball
>>156142605how else is fifa Gonna rig this
>>156142630Nope they called it as not a play on the ball
>>156142605why would they make it more like hockey? soccer isn't hockey you fucking retard
>>156142662I disagree
>>156142540He wasn’t though. From replays, you can see he sprinted during the cross from an onside position.
>>156142723They're very similar sports retard.
>>156139699This semen slurping sport isn't for me
>>156142540What the fuck are you on about? He's a mile onside for the original cross. Stop talking shit
>>156142763soccer has soccer rules. why should it adopt hockey rules?
>>156142694Because no intention and being void by the previous play invalidating everything after. The issue was Pasalic's position
>>156141132>>156141358>>156141885The rules are very friendly to defenders on this now.A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent whodeliberately played* the ball, including by deliberate handball, is notconsidered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by anyopponent.The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that aplayer was in control of the ball and, as a result, can be considered to have‘deliberately played’ the ball:•The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it•The ball was not moving quickly•The direction of the ball was not unexpected•The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limitedcontact/control•A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air
>>156142953They implemented so many rules after the slurpy 1994 WC to get more goal in the game but they barely touched the offside rule. They had a clear daylight recommendation for a couple of seasons then that disappeared somewhere. They should replace offside with an goal-hanging rule and let defenders defend and reverse the pussyfication of the last 30 years.
clear goal offside should be when a pass is made INTENTIONALLY to your partner who may/may not be above the last defender.were in the world that guy header (doesn't matter if he touched actually) was a pass to someone? he was going for goal the intention to reach was done at the centering kick and nb.15 was onside was pretty much neutral but offside here is fucking non-sense
>>156142250Definitely not - see webm.>>156142305Any sort of movement at all creates extremely tiny amounts of air pressure which could change the direction of the ball at the microscopic level. Not contact.Also the interpretation of VAR is meant to be made by the referee, not the decision of VAR.
>>156142553Interesting point. Good point.
>>156142305Learn the first thing about aerodynamics and you know you with enough air speed you can induce a pressure change on a surface without making contact, simply by proximity, that's how ground-effect aero works on racing cars. These sensors are not foolproof.
Sad
>>156143094He touched the ball and made himself part of the play, it's obvious it should count as offside
and how exactly is this "touch" sensor supposed to work during heavy rain?
>>156142272Since having long hair and long feet is literally losing these teams the fucking world cup, everyone needs to start shaving their head and wearing shoes that don't extend the feet. FIFA is inhalung pure retardium with these calls.
This is a retarded discussion.>rules are rulesShould we then disconsider the INTENT with which a rule was made, and just blindly follow the literal text like a poorly programed fucking robot?When the rule was made, they did not have in my mind a goyball with a touch sensor in it. It is a rule made with human sensibilities in mind. In any other point in history, this would have been a goal, end of story.Even var, as faggy as it may be, mostly just corrects the ref being a blind retard. However, when you have AI accounting for the players little toe being offside, or this tomfoolery with the sensor, the rule is NOT being properly applied. Rather, you have kike technocrats turning what should be a purely human experience into a fucking spreadsheet nightmare of details that would be otherwise undetectable by humans.The pope has literally wrote an encyclical on how these silicon valley niggers are ruining humanity.
>>156140170he literally attempted a pass with that header
>>156143094>offside should be when a pass is made INTENTIONALLY to your partner who may/may not be above the last defender.Too vague. Rules are meant to be clear leaving no room for doubt; this is why balls now have a sensor and the line rule is 100% of the ball.
>>156143295>Rules are meant to be clear leaving no room for doubt;Seems like the rules are shit then
The offside rule is a detriment to intense and exciting play if this is how it is interpreted. When players are within 10 metres of the field's length from each other it should not count.
>>156143293No; intention don't matter. He could've tried to shoot to score but ended up missing hitting it with full force or misdirected it'd look like a pass>>156143329VAR releases its log post-game, anon
>You will witness the greatest last-minute goals, the comeback of a lifetime. A nation's desperation and anguish turned into hope. The human spirit made manifest, a moment that transcends cultural and language barriers. A testament of why you should never give up in the face of adversity even when all hope seemed lost.>It will be ruled offside by VAR.
Most clear rigged match ever?
>>156143422Did you see the 2022 WC?
>>156143422Argentina vs Netherlands 2022
>Russia still banned because muh invasion>Israel not banned because fifa is jewish>Iran banned from staying in the US and getting refballed out of spite>shameless match rigging (3-3)>VAR enforcement is completely absurd and treats people like robots who can see their own foot 5cm offsideThis dogshit sport is dead.
>>156143263>i-intent matterslmaoyesterday you faggots were saying it didn't
>>156143238It will "work" when FIFA wants it to work.
>>156143512I don't even know what situation you are referring to you kike slave circumcised cucked mutt
>>156143422>>156143459This.>>156143405>You will witness the greatest last-minute goals, the comeback of a lifetime. A nation's desperation and anguish turned into hope. The human spirit made manifest, a moment that transcends cultural and language barriers. A testament of why you should never give up in the face of adversity even when all hope seemed lost.>It will be ruled offside by VAR.Counterpoint pic related
>>156143574he was talking about the red card yesterday from the US vs bosnia game, another decision that also stem from var
>>156139699I don't get it, doesn't the off side rule reset after an opponent's touch?I don't watch this gay ass sport, so idk
>>156143501Yup. Honestly worst cup by far. VAR shouldn't have the final word over microscopic shit.
>>156143574seething lmao
>>156143209thanks joao didn't expect more from you !>>156143295too vague for who ? don't be a retard offside rule is to prevent potentially "unfair" 1on1 situations.that guy was looking for a center-cross from onside position.the header was an attempt on goal. don't implement that he saw the guy and made a shadow pass kekrefs do have interpretation rights.
>>156141641but then it will just depend on who Musk or his people want to win
>>156143616They're saying the Croatian made a pass to the offside player with his hair, and to achieve that pass he made the ball bounce on the crouching guy. Not kidding, this is the ruling of the play.
>>156140060>TRUST LE SCIENCE!Fuck off
>>156143669not his hair, that's made up, it hit the sensor
>>156143690What hit the sensor?
>>156143615I didn't watch that one>>156143632I was rooting against croatia because they are a haramball team and they eliminated us in 22. What I'm talking about have implications for the game as whole, but a fucking baseball country wouldn't get that
>>156143712the sensor showed the croatian hit the ball, not "his hair"
>>156143742That's ridiculous. We can see in the cameras he didn't hit it. His hair could have, but not his body.
>>156143742but in the vid he never touched it
>>156143780>>156143826blame the gay sensor fifa used, that's why it was rules offside, becuase it spiked
>Trust the VAR, goy! The rules are infallible!FUCK YOU!
IMAGINE PAYING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO COME FROM CROATIA TO WATCH YOUR TEAM BE KICKED OUT BY RIGGING IMAGINE
>>156143646>too vague for who ?Anyone with a brain; intentions are abstract. Abstracts are maleable.>refs do have interpretation rights.But no power over the rules; the moment there was intervention in the play with that header things went south.
>>156142576it was one person throwing one paper beer cup or something and Portugal crying about it, same as they do everything
>>156143855spiked from a hair? a pubic hair?
>>156143780>His hair could have, but not his body.>Hair is not part of the human bodyYeah... because hair doesn't share the person's dna and shit... haha...
>>156143911don't knwo
>>156140199
Regardless of it being a goal or not. What exactly was that defender trying to do by approaching the play like that? Shouldn't he be jumping and blocking the ball? Why is he ducking?
>>156139699>grazes his hair but the trajectory and rotation aren't affected at all>then the Portuguese guy tries to head itOnside twice, this sport is pretty gay for not letting the goal stand.
>>156143899anyone with a brain should be able to notice what is an intentional pass vs an attempt on goal that fucked up. abstracts can be part of the game. I thought VAR was a tool to help them for better decision. at the end the ref is judging so no claim on his power on the rules but definitly to scary to countradict techno.
>>156144343>I thought VAR was a tool to help them for better decisiona statement of purpose is not necessarily a statement of intent, not even remotelyVAR was only ever supposed to be sparingly deployed to correct "clear and obvious" errors btw
>>156139699I think we all agree the game should be replayed
>>156144463mmmh going to deep on that one.the ref see a pass its a pass , he see an atempt its an atempt as for fouls.it's his judgment.VAR is there to make hid see that once again. but he should keep his judgment
>>156142819Because hockey's offside rules are infinitely superior to this nonsense.
>>156139699why can't you chuds just trust the science?
>>156145102next you will want hockey to play by nfls offside rules lmao
>>156143742Did you know how this sensors work? There is no vibration so the measurement is made by compressed air between ball and head. It's a typical curve for it. You can see the fast rising curve at approach because of the fast compression buildup and the slow release after max. peak.
>>156139699Good goal. Portugal defender (#13) makes a play on the ball, negating any offside.
>>156140199>the sensor in the ball says he touched it>you know this because they put a line with a bump in it on the screenKWAB
>>156146543just like covid
>>156146508If he doesnt attack the ball or the ball hits him by mistake it's no goal. They concluded he hit it by mistake.
>>156146455So what happens when the ball loses some pressure or goes flat?
>>156146805So they think he's just trying to let the ball through for the Croatia player behind him to tap it in?
>>156140459I couldnt watch the game and I have no understanding off offsides apparently, but even if his hair touches it) it seems so miniscule and inoffensive that the ball would have continued towards #13 for poortugal anyway, Is the call offside because of Pašalić being in front of the line?
>>156140501Unlocks an even gayer defensive meta of getting away from the ball in front of the goal. "He didn't mean to" is unironically hilarious.
>>156141999No we are just saying your sport and your rules are maximally homosexual
>>156142305The video technology shows the spin of the ball did not alter
FIFA script is in, they wanted Croatia to lose.Penaldo gets btfo by Yamal who scores 5 goals
for all the nufags
>>156147243ok theyre all onside here. but can you answer my question? >>156147050was it Pašalić being that far in front after #13 touched it?
>>156147325according to rules and nature 13 is matter
>>156143377>VAR releases its log post-game, anonlink to the post-game log?
>>156147422>is matter what?
CCP AI, btw
>>156147325Pasalic isn't offside from the original cross...but he is offside when his teammate heads the ball....but he isn't offside if the Portugal player's touch was a deliberate attempt to play the ball
Offside. Fuck off Crorats, no lucky runs anymore for you, go back to obscurity with czechs, poles and romanians. Also, we were always better than you. Cry.
>>156147571Spain vs Austria was 3-0 stupid machine
>>156139699goalmatanovic doesnt touch itveiga has a deliberate touch.
>>156139859>shouldn't offbut correct take on the situation
>>156141132So the opposing player has to give his consent to touching the ball. Does he need to put it in writing before the match starts too?
>>156147576>but he isn't offside if the Portugal player's touch was a deliberate attempt to play the ballThis should be the focus. Claiming that the defender is trying to get out of the way of the ball in this situation is inexcusable
>>156147720His intentions can be revoked anytime just like a womans, and no he or she doesnt have to say anything. You just have to know.
>>156139699Dumb american here. Can someone, really fucking slow it down for me? And I don't mean the VAR speed. Why does it matter if it touches his afro there? Doesn't it go back to normal when the blue guy hits the ball?How the fuck are you supposed to determine intent?
>>156139699Nice "sport"
>>156143422I can't pretend I understand any of this shit, but the one match with Korea looked fucked as hell.
All this offside shit is killing soccer it should only be called when the striker is clearly offside aka most off his body is in front of the defenders.This toe, touch his hair bullshit should be abolished. And in this one is clear that the number 13 for Portugal touched the ball with his head for the keeper or a corner so at the end of the day it would be a own goal or a corner.
>>156147907Theyre not even talking about the ugly nig clown hair. Its the blue (croat) guy prior to him. But there's 20 people of both teams between him and the goal when the ball barely grazes his hair- how is that offsides
>>156148101It's the other guy who is in an offside position, number 15 blue, but he's only offside if the other blue guy gets a touch and if the afro guy's touch is deliberate
>>156147681>let me tell you about you're language
>>156147576>if the Portugal player's touch was a deliberate attempt to play the ballhe put his fucking head in the path of the ball, what the fuck did fifa think he was doing? trying to get haircutting tips?
>>156146980>So what happens when the ball loses some pressure or goes flat?Doesn't matter because that's slow and it's a relative measurement (differences). You measure dynamic components not absolute against external air pressure. I hardly doub you can measure the dynamic range from an goal kick up to hair touch, That would need an amount of tech and wireless transmission and power supply hard to put in a football.
>>156148287is not deliberate*fuckbasically if afro guy is intentionally playing the ball then the Croatia player can't be offside, but if it just deflected off him accidentally then the offside is determined based on when the ball was last played by a Croatian player
>>156148379at the end of the day the justification doesn't matter, FIFA needs Pisstiano Penaldo vs. Pionel Pessi Riggitini for maximum third-world engagement
>>156147907They don't even understand, they are coping hard because everyone (in the world) just witnessed how bad this is.It was an own goal with 20 seconds left that would have allowed for an additional 30 mins to figure out a winner. Maybe PKs. But its fucking awful.
>>156148423>but if it just deflected off him accidentallyIT DEFLECTED OFF THE CROATIAN PLAYER ACCIDENTALLY, WHAT IS THIS HORSESHIT
>>156147228>they wanted Croatia to lose.Why should anyone more care than the croats after the game. Football is gone, that USsuccer shit isn't mine.
>>156148423Wtf. It should just be that an attacker cant touch the ball if it came to them while being the first guy in front of the defending goalie. Simple. Making it about who last touched the ball- or for gods sake their intention- is absurd. Thx for explaining this rigged gay sport full of crying cheating diving babies
>>156140060have you ever seen this censor?
>>156148617>have you ever seen this censor?Me would kill to get one with that features.t. electronic developer knowing whats on the market
>>156147907If the defending team last touches the ball (intentionally) then the attacking team cant be offsides. If the attacking team last touches the ball, then the attackers cant be the first guy in front of the defending goalie (offsides). 15 (croat) was the first guy in front of the defending goalie. The ball bounced off the nigs ugly clown hair before he tocuhed it. If he intended to touch the ball, then 15 is onside. But prior to the ball bouncing off the nigs ugly clown hair, it apparently barely, invisibly grazed the head of another croat, making 15 offsides. But prior to that, it was kicked by a Portugal player (making 15 onsides). This is so dumb. Kickball sucks. And i thought football and baseball were boring
>>156140199is there a webm showing when it hit?
>>156140199bodied those freaks
>>156148513>>156148579>cross is played>all Croatian players are onside>Croatia #20 Matanovic jumps to head the ball>at this point Croatia #15 Pasalic has moved beyond the last defender to an offside position>if Matanovic's head touched the ball (unclear but the mystery graph says it did) then Pasalic is offside. If not, he is onside because he was not beyond the last defender for the original cross>all simple enough but the ball then hits the head of Portugal afro guy before falling to Pasalic>if this touch off the Portugal player was a deliberate attempt to play the ball then Pasalic can't be offside>if it was an accidental deflection then Pasalic's offside status is determined based on which Croatia player last played the ball - the crosser or Matanovic with the header
And the worst part is that I think Portugal would've won on overtime because Croatia was playing for penalties.
>>156140199as you can see in the video, the sensor doesn't work well, the player didn't touch the ballyou no need no sensor, just some eyes
>>156148500>own goalI keep seeing you using this term, please learn what it actually means, thanks
>>156148895There seems to be a problem . how the fuck do you measure intent in slow motion when youre talking about people hitting shit with your head?
>>156148895Intention needs to be completely taken out of the equation. Its so dumb to do it like that. Create situations where you have to guess players intentions. So dumb
>>156148963no guesswork involvedyou go with the most charitable interpretation of what a certain player did when your goal is to allow that player's team to advancewhether he actually meant to or not is irrelevant, the desired outcome is the only thing that matters
just imagine the amount of crying if argentina got one penalty and one last minute goal agaisnt them called off side when we can't even see the touch
>>156148954The only problem is the referees are incompetent and/or corrupt. He clearly gets into position and tries to head the ball but fucks it up. It's deliberate and the goal should stand.
what's with all the hues dickriding portugal and being annoying faggots in these threads, you aren't portuguese and if anything you're greater than them as a country
>>156139699Portugal will make FIFA more money, so no goal
>>156139699offside is the dumbest rule of all time. why is it not like hockey?
>>156149041So the nog should be said to have intended to head the ball out- putting 15 onsides
>>156149153Didn't hockey have Icing or whatever the fuck it's called?
>>156148949I thought it means that a player scores into his own net, in this case it was white swatting horribly with his foot who touches it last before it goes in. But please help me learn this beautiful game.
>>156149184it has offside but it's not retarded like divegrass
>>156147243>+10 min extra timewhy is the game still on at 15:38?
>>156149160in a just world you would be correct, I don't know about intending to head the ball out of play but just heading it anywhere other than a trajectory to his own goalbut that's not the most financially beneficial outcome for FIFA so the just interpretation is not what we get>>156149196>a player scores into his own netthat is what it means but the Portugal player was never going to head it into his own netthe only feet involved were of the Croatian player who was attacking the Portugal goal, I'm confused, did you think the Croatian was defending? he wasn't
>>156142305>clear touchthe balls flight path didnt change at all
>>156149286I am looking at the webm and a white jersey swats the ball into the net, but blue was also going for it. 99% sure it was white that last touched.
>>156149286Heading it out of the goals direction, I meant. We are in accord. Clear bias and manipulation imo
>>156140332>All your argument is>>it would have been kino if it counted
>>156141538This. That intention alone resets the offside. The goal is valid.
>>156139699so with all the lasers, sensors and slow-motion cameras, games are still being rigged. Can we admit this and kill off VAR for good?
>>156150590and make it easier for them to rig? great idea Einstein
>>156140199How come the sensor only spikes for the first touch but not the second
>>156140199>corrupt fifa rigging games for more money/viewersnever happend before ;)
>>156139699Good thing I didnt watch the game, I would be so angry that I wouldn’t be able to sleep if I saw that decision… Should have gone to extra time
>>156139699NO GOAL
Complete utter bullshitNO ERA OFFSIDE
>>156150791>touch changed the trajectoryprove it
>>156139699Fans never wanted Var to be used like this. It was never meant to be implemented like this. What the fuck are we even doing to football at this pointA touch so faint, it didnt even change the spin of the ball. Pathetic
>>156150791>hair from player changing trajectory of ballmutt science.
>>156150791Are you accounting for wind speed and heat based pressure differentials?
>ball grazes a follicle of hair>intentional play>defender heads the ball>accidental deflection
>>156139699very stupid webm. the only good angle is ruined by not showing the trajectory of the ball before it reaches the head
>>156150872Yes.
>>156139699The chad "ref said so" vs the virgin "we used trigonometry, assistant referees, telephoto cameras, VAR and an ultramodern electronic football and we're still not sure"
>>156139699Looks like a legit goal.
everyone was onside when the ball was crossed. that's the main point.croatia's player didn't touched the ball. doesn't mean shit that he intended. he didn't touched.lol at spikes. where is the spike when it touches back of that portugal player literally milliseconds later?the rig is in.
>>156140869YesOnly intentional plays of the ball are considered the pass to offsideHis unintentional touch is therefore not the pass to use in the offside decision
VAR is a travesty.
>>156146543>>156140199Keeek
it is obvious rigging and the only remedy is 7-1 Spain>the defender didnt intend to head the ball>bending fucking over, as a player runs behind himbut that wont bring Modric back into the tournament, sadly
Clearest rig ever to keep penaldo in the tournament
>>156151272>>156151265I wish people stopped paying so much to go to the stadium.
>>156139699Goal and no doubt about it.
>>156141450That's how I would expect the actual waveform to look if the Croatian player had actually touched the ball.
>>156140332>10 minutes added time>this happens in the 13thDo me a favour and count the time between Portugal's goal and the restart of play.>science has shown that he touches the ballYou're not trusting science here. Otherwise you'd be requesting these waveforms to be shared more openly.
>>156143576I had forgotten about this>nuh uh it hovered over the line by 1mm!!
Sawker has the worst, most convoluted rules of any sport. That's not news.
>>156139699GoalThe Portuguese defender who covered Gvardiol literally touched the ball
I don't understand.I genuinely have no idea what the hell is happening.I don't even know which team is on offense, since they're BOTH kicking it towards the goal and the keeper is playing for team yellow.
>>156139699>clearly did not touch the ball>video goes back and forth without even showing contactwhat a retarded fucking video
>>156140060where are the trials and test games using this sensor? I have never heard a single person talk about a fucking sensor detecting hair brushing a fucking football before. This is some jeet in the var backrooms that knocked this up
>>156150670the graph is zoomed in so much to find this (((touch))) that the second one can no longer fit in the image
>>156139910He's ducking out of the way of the ball thoughbeitIt makes no logical sense for him to crouch that low to head the ball, he would just chest it and volley clear if his intention is to clear it
>>156140199what is the axis of this sensor chart? Why isn't the blip more reminiscent of a snick noise where it would be more like this. This shit is laughable
>>156150613nothing changed retard
>>156151793Was used in last euros
>>156151895how do they get the data off the football into the var room?
>>156147639This! They actually thought they could get away with penalties again, kek.
Actual wording from ruling: deflect or rebound>de•flect (di flekt′), >v.t., v.i. >to bend or turn aside; turn from a true course or straight line; swerve.>rebound>re•bound /v. rJˈbaʊnd, ˈriˈbaʊnd; n. ˈrˌbaʊnd, rJˈbaʊnd/ >v. [no object]>to bounce or spring back from the force of hitting something:>The ball rebounded off the wall.Not touching the ball. The definition is, to change its trajectory. The rule was bent to serve a specific interest. It WAS rigged.
>>156151926SCADA probably idk
>>156139699Our options are no goal or crorats got refballed, honestly love both of those. But yeah the ball clearly touches the crorat who jumps
>>156152168nice meme nedim
>>156151984They're retarded for not understanding their own rules so they settled with the nearest thing that was "let technology to figure it out" without any scrutiny.Gay, and dare I say, souless.
if he was bald they would have scoredanother bald w
>>156151845it makes even less logical sense to duck out of the way of the ball
>>156145567Hockey and NFL aren't similar at all you dishonest jeet.
>>156152199Nice copper collection hakala, go polish it for 4 years and pray a bunch of randomić's will luckball their way to another game vs france where youll get raped
>>156152289You're retarded if you think you're disagreeing with that guy.
>>156140810>tf>tp
>>156152282Than to stoop that low to header it when if you stand up it's between chest and waist height? No
>Being in an offside position is not an offence in itself, but a player so positioned when the ball is played by a teammate can be judged guilty of an offside offence if they receive the ball or will otherwise become "involved in active play", will "interfere with an opponent", or will "gain an advantage" by being in that position.I know shitposting is a major past-time activity for 99% of the posters here, but at least pretending to know the rules would make it more fun.
>>156152372He's standing on the penalty spot, he'd have to be a complete moron to be ducking out of the way of that ball.He just misjudges the flight of the ball at the last second, easy to do and especially if there actually was a slight deflection off the head of Matanovic.It's like when you see a cross go straight in the net because the keeper is expecting an attacker to get a touch and when he doesn't it's too late to deal with it properly.
>>156139699I have a theory: What if a microbe that was catapulted into the air by the player jumping just released a big phat turd on the ball and that is what the sensor detected.
I totally understand if Croatia hates us for the rest of time. What bullshit
The rule should be if the ref can´t spot it with the naked eye, it didn´t happen. What we, the viewer see, should be what happens on the field. Some turbo autismo microchip alienates us from the game.
>>156152660Or you could calibrate the sensor in such a way that impacts are actually meaningful and would alter the trajectory of the ball which would be visible.
>>156139699The ball does slightly change direction, so offside. Not sure why it's such a big debate
>>156150888Yeah this. Even admitting the deranged "it touched muh hair" stuff how can you rule unintentional the header
I love how technology and VAR is eliminating a lot of bullshit people were forced to get used to since there were no alternativesand some people were so used to it they had actually started to like eating shit and now get mad when shit is no longer served to them on a platterkinda like hershey's chocolate and the vomit taste it has
>>156152703>The ball does slightly change directionProve this.
>>156152703Yeah if your mom was sitting in that stadium it most certainly would have changed the trajectory of the ball.
new angle dropped
>>156152716Yeah man I love having kino goals ruled offside and matches being distilled into fishing for benuldies because nobody can score the regular way anymore
>>156152814So I guess tracking the ball the entire time and just coincidentally hitting it with your head in a trajectory that would've resulted with the ball going outside the field means it's not intentional
#20 croatian player's hair touched the ball according to my le heckin science, but the #13 portuguese player is ducking down to header it.Simple as.
>>156152857>muh kino narrative goalsgo watch wrestling or something if you crave "le story of the game" so muchsome people, shockingly, actually like the GAME OF FOOTBALL, and don't need extra drama or scripting included in ityou don't actually like football if you constantly need to go into>wouldn't it be cool if...WOW YAOWZA HE HECKING DID LE NARRATIVE THING, WE DID IT REDDIT!and as a counterpoint actually sticking to the rules often makes for a better narrative anyways
>>156139699>Sinso Commentovar sinso?
Spain now know they have to win and win by a large margin to beat a corrupt VAR"too big to rig". if they score 3 or 4, one VAR penal won't be enough. The only reason VAR may not rig it a lot is because FIFA need Yamal to be a star so it would be stupid to rig it again like Croatia.
>>156152647We don't hate you it's not your fault. Croatians like Portugal and portuguese Football, it's not a shame to lose to you guys. Obviously there are idiots on both sides, but in general there is no animosity. We are used to getting robbed by VAR since 2018.
>>1561528142nd angle is the first time I can actually see the ball trajectory changepeople are still getting hung up on afroman heading the ball intentionally or not, I promise you it doesn't matter
>>156152917>wouldn't it be cool if we could have goals ruled offside because a hecking shoulder was offside
>>156139699They will definitely lower the sensor sensitivity after that. Couldn't be a better case to demonstrate how absurd fully relying on technology can be. It's new so of course it still needs to calibrate.
>>156152814clearly offside, why is everyone saying it's rigged? 1) touches the ball2) sensor said he touches ball3) he participates in the game4) you can see the trajectory change
>>156153047Modric wont get another chance though, kinda stupid to ruin a game over unproven technology.the spin of the ball doesn't even change.
>>156152814That is offside. You can be offside without touching the ball if you interfere with the play. The guy by jumping and going for the ball causes Renato Veiga to duck, influencing the play, this being offside. If you can disprove me go ahead
It would make sense that after rigging for Pepsi last time they decide to rig for Penaldo this year
>>156153037if he doesn't participate in the game: no offsideif he timed himself wrong and got into an offside position while participating: offsideyour analogy doesn't take into account that the whole defensive line had to time their movements right to create that offside position (or at least not fuck it up) and you would be ready to discard all that and the rules of the game because of>muh le hecking kinoYou are a woman.
>>156153084The guy jumping to head the ball isn't the player that was offside you fucking idiot.
>>156153125If anything it's more kino to watch the butthurt crorats and their nuthuggers than to watch ANOTHER penalty shootout
>>156153057And your reason for why the much more notable touch off the Portuguese player's heads doesn't count as a touch while the brush of the croat's hair does?
>>156151895last night I was thinking refs might have blundered by matching our guy's header as the hairball bump but if technology is the same it's pretty obvious 1st bump is very slight>>156151926dunno but as I understand it VAR has no control over the sensors at all, they have a technician stationed somewhere and they tell him to go to X timestamp and draw offsine lines in Y position and such, tech guy has no input in telling them ACKSHUALLY THERE IS A BUMP HERE, booth refs have to spot it in the replay themselves
>>156153149If the player jumping to head the ball doesn't jump to head the ball then the pass coming from behind him is not offside since the guy that recieves the pass was not offside when the pass was made. When the guy touches the ball - or doesn't - with his hair then the guy that recieves the ball is offside. The guy jumping to head the ball is what makes the play offside. I am fully convinced that half of /sp/ is tourists.
>>156153179It doesn't matter, because the jumping guy made that happen
>>156153247The jumping guy isn't offside
>>156153027>people are still getting hung up on afroman heading the ball intentionally or not, I promise you it doesn't matterActually it's the only thing that matters. The phantom touch is a red herring
>>156153233and Afroman stooping to head the ball is what makes him onside again
>>156153233You explicitly claimed that he's offside because he influences the defender, because you mistakenly thought that this touch was the offside touch and not the "pass" that makes the goalscorer offside. >The guy by jumping and going for the ball causes Renato Veiga to duck, influencing the play, this being offsideJust in case you forgot the spastic shit you said. Now fuck off tourist.>>156153247The guy who jumps isn't offside. The guy who scores is offside because off the "touch" from jumping guy. You people are fucking retarded.
fans didn't ask for this snicko nonsense. We just want to correct the obvious errors
>>156153321the defender wanted to head it out for a corner and to safety.FIFA determined his header was unintentional (bullshit). he is LITERALLY staring at the fucking ball.
>>156153321No, but he creates a new situation, the offside counts from that touch. So the jumping guys passes the ball to the offside players. Which means it's offside...And the portuguese player didnt intend to touch the ball.So, offside, it's pretty simpel actually retard
>>156153379Exactly.>>156153381His hair touching the ball is creating a new situation and a deliberate play, but the Portuguese player crouch 2 feet to ensure the ball hits him square in the head isn't a new situation and isn't a deliberate play? You're just openly lying at this point lol. Kill yourself.
>>156153381yes, this is what I was trying to say but I don't know how to explain it to the british tourist without pointing, to me why it's offside is obvious, the player jumping is not offside but him jumping is what makes the play offside
>>156153446Even if that were the rule (it's not), the Portuguese player makes a deliberate player immediately after, nullifying it.
>>156153125The problem is counting parts of the body that are not legs or feet as offside when there was no touch on the ball with those parts>You are a woman.ok hinttari miten vaan
Croatians were too lucky in 2 last WCs. So fuck these ustace bitch faggots
>>156140332>LE SCIENCEFuck off faggot
>>156153027You've got it completely wrong. If Veiga's touch were considered intentional, the whole discussion about whether the Croatian player touched it or not would become irrelevant.
>360based /sp/ergs discussing the important issues we're facing today
>>156153607there is no argument to be had about his touch being intentional or not, that's what I'm saying
>>15615079113 has no reason to avoid the ball in this position, and all the reason to head the ball away. He's taking a stance to smash it away, but misjudges it.
>>156153233That's not how the rule works. If the receiving player is not offside when the original pass was made, no amount of misdirection or fake touches by other teammates will make him offside unless they actually touch the ball.
>>156153632I just realised what the fuck you've been trying to say this whole time. Youre saying that the guy who jumps makes whatever happens next offside regardless of any future parts of the play because his jump affected the players behind him? Jesus Christ please stop talking about the sport if you have no understanding of its laws.
>>156151895But that last example was actually useful to determine how many touches there were.This is such a small blip that if you were on the full graph I doubt you would even see it.If a deflection by brushing someone's ear with no impact counts, then it's the rule itself that is wrong.
>>156153688dunno what you're talking about, if VAR SINSOR says Croatiaguy's hair touched the ball then that's where offside positioning is determined, it bonces off our guy's afro and lands on a player who was offside at the start of the play (hair touch)if sensor said there was no touch then the point of offside would have been the initial cross and he was onside at that timethere is no deliberate play from our defender because he was never in control of the ball, simply reacting to the attacking play
>>156152814I still don't see shit. That first new angle is especially useless as another player is in the way at the key moment.
>>156153748>there is no deliberate play from our defender because he was never in control of the ball, simply reacting to the attacking playBullshit he tracks the ball the entire time and his header would've put the ball outside the field
>>156153689FIFA's own rulebook states that there must be a meaningful change in trajectory or speed btw. So even according to their own rules, this doesn't constitute a touch in regards to offside.
>>156153763ok cool so being in control of the ball means tracking it with your eyestell Penaldo he can just look at the ball really hard to score sum goals
>>156153748>If the pass, attempt to gain possession or clearance by the player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this does not negate the fact that the player ‘deliberately played’ the ball.He ducks his head intentionally to head the ball, and heads the ball. He just does a shit job of it, which is irrelevant to the rules. Again, stop discussing a sport you don't even know the rules of.
>>156153748>there is no deliberate play from our defender because he was never in control of the ball, simply reacting to the attacking playTrying to clear the ball via header is considered as being in control of playLAW 11 - OFFSIDE>Deliberate play’ (excluding deliberate handball) is when a player has control of the ball with the possibility of:>clearing the ball (e.g. by kicking or heading it)
>>156153780It means looking at the ball and hitting the ball, if there was no croatian behind him the ball would've left the field like he wanted, stop being disingenuous
you guys are probably getting confused because in the past you've seen VAR replays of a defender heading the ball into a player that's offside at the time and it's ruled onside but you're forgetting that what's actually being ruled is that at the time of the pass the attacker was onside, there is no "deliberate play" being evaluated
>>156140431It only feels like a gut punch because they've found a way to rig things when a goal is scored. The normal corruption is to have a ref control the flow of play via fouls that are called in midfieldBut yes this is standard. The entire last season of the premier league was re-interpreting the rules to allow arsenal to cheat their way to the league
>>156153780The following criteria should be used, as appropriate, as indicators that a player was in control of the ball and, as a result, ‘deliberately played’ the ball: The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it The ball was not moving quickly The direction of the ball was not unexpected The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/controlHe tracks the ball the whole way, it takes no meaningful deflections on its path, to the point that he can take his time stopping down to ensure his head is level with where the ball will be and then makes contact. He is, by the laws, in control.
I'd respect Portuguese posters more if they just leaned into being the villain instead of trying to (incorrectly) argue the ruleset. I certainly wouldn't give a fuck if my team was the benefactor of a bullshit decision like this lmao
>>156153826You're the only one confused because you don't know about the sport you're talking about. The rules are very clear and according to those rules, there is no offside offence in this play. Not by the Croatian touching it with his hair and even if that DID count, the Portuguese header immediately after nullifies that.
>>156153826You're getting confused because you don't even know the rules you're talking about.
yesthe rules are very clear someone linked the whole rulebook last night and people still couldn't be bothered to read it and instead drone on about the last touch coming off a defender means it puts an attacker in play
>>156153379The defender was trying to duck out of the way of the ball, this is very clear, the ball is waist height trying to head it is illogical
>>156153905If someone posted the rules, you'd do well to try to read them at least once so that at least your shitposting can't be easily dismissed by calling you illiterate.
Sorry, oldest allies, but Portuguese flags should really sit out of this discussion. You have too much bias for this one.
>>156153915Why would a defender try to duck out of the way of a ball going to his goal while tracking it with his eyes the whole time, instead of moving away
>>156153905>instead drone on about the last touch coming off a defender means it puts an attacker in playThis is true and part of the reason that the goal could NEVER be offside. Please stop discussing a sport you do not understand.
>>156153915he is STARING AT THE BALLwhy would he NOT head the ball with an attacker behind him
>>156153915maybe the fact that the other guys right in front of him have to jump and still can't reach the "waist height" ball puts him off
What's the point of refs if even the ball is packed with so much technology you can detect an offside by a single millimeter.Just plug all the data into an AI for real-time monitoring of the game.
>>156153943>he is STARING AT THE BALLHe's actually looking at the ground when it hits him, the ball hits him in the back of the head as he's trying to duck down out of the way
>>156154010Also worth asking "Why did the referee get called to the monitor, if the decision was made based on data from the ball sensor?"
>>156154011I guess he just happened to hit the ball on a trajectory that would've cleared it
>>156154049Probably to judge whether the Veiga touch was intentional or not my slow friend
>>156154060But it didn't clear it, are you dumb?
Imagine if the offside rule was>the ball has to change direction!We'd be arguing about how many fraction of a degree the ball has changed direction and whatnot. Again based on what the sensor says. Or you introduce a criteria like a "meaningful" change bu then it becomes a subjective crapshoot. Tough.
>>156154061You might want to go back and rewatch what was being shown to the referee on the screen.Hint, my slow friend, it wasn't Veiga's header.
>>156154079Yes because it got intercepted
>>156154082yeah, imagine
>>156154049ref has to review the play to revert a decision, linesman didn't even raise the offside flagif you watch the monitor bit you can see it didn't take any amount of time at all>VAR: sensor says Croatbro touches the ball in this frame>REF: ok so that dude's offside then run the play to the end yep confirmed thanks byelike he didn't really try to see the ball being haired they just told him SENSOR SAID
>I accidentally passed the ball to an opponent but I didn't INTEND to accidentally pass the ball to an opponent
>>156154123>ref has to review the play to revert a decisionIncorrect.Your ability to be wrong about literally everything is absolutely staggering.
>>156143422The most rigged World Cup match of all time was Argentina Netherlands 2022
>>156153270Actually, it doesn't. Even if the defender was trying to head the ball it doesn't reset the offsides because the rules say the defender has to have control of the ball. Since the ball is fast, in the air, and he doesn't have clear line of sight, offsides doesn't reset by his header, whether he was trying to head the ball or duck.
>>156154119SENSOR SAID hair made enough contact to affect the trajectory of the ball, we're not the nerds in charge of telemetry to disagree and in fact in that new angle posted above you can see the ball does bounce slightly in the second replay
It was the ghost of Diogo Jota that did it. HE interfered and the snickometer incorrectly registered an EVP as a touch
>>156154098Yeah because he didn't try to clear it, if his intention is to clear the ball he stands up, controls it with his midriff and launches the ball clear
>>156154176No, the sensor said it made contact at all. There is nothing in the sensor that says "this is enough contact to affect trajectory". If any touch at all was deemed "enough" then that rule wouldn't specify "cases of significant contact with a mass of hair, such as a top knot". Seriously, is being constantly corrected a kink for you or something? Is it like a humiliation thing?
>>156139699
>>156154172Wrong on all counts. By the laws he is in control. His touch being shit doesn't undo that it was deliberate.
>>156154145bro what the fuck is your deal, be honest with yourself to admit there are offside plays that don't require reviewing because the only point of contention is whether an attacker is offside or not as gauged by the offside lines, ref doesn't need to see them to revert they just tell him "ok we drew the lines and he's actually offside", this case is clearly different
>>156154180What a retard. Rest in piss
>>156154183His intention is to clear the ball forwards with his head but he misjudges its flight due to the proximity of the players in front. There is no way he ducks under that ball without getting a call and there is no time for anyone to give him a call.
>>156154183Ducking under the ball is an even more retarded option, why would he do that
>>156154213the sensor doesn't have metrics to determine whether the readings are strong enough to change trajectory, it's calibrated a certain way so refs can make the calls when it reactsget the fuck off my nuts already
>>156154242My deal is that you're wrong and saying wrong things and I am correcting you. That's it. You are wrong. The laws state that this goal should have stood. It is match-fixing that it didn't.
>>156154276Because Veiga is shit lol
>>156154277Stop being wrong and I'll stop correcting you. You retarded little rat.
>>156154288But not shit enough to fuck up the clearing, interesting
>>156154292now you're just being salty, I accept your concession
>>156140332oy vey trust the science goyim!! and get your sixth booster shot
>>156154304If this means you'll keep your retarded mouth shut, then by all means, consider yourself the "winner".
>>156154302Oh no he could fuck that up too, no doubt about it, he even fucked up trying to get out of the way
>>156154347So why he could have gone for the header given he tracked the ball and actually hit it? You're just guessing stuff that fits your narrative
>>156154334alright cool I looked at all the data really hard and bent reality in my favorall the football people talking about the sensor showing contact and our defender not having influence in the play are being manipulated by my gazeI activated all the sensors to win an argument with anonymous on 4chan
>>156154378You're still talking. I thought you already accepted my concession? Why are you still talking?
>>156154396I'm giving you time to swallow your pride and read the rulebookI'll give you a hand, it's law 11
>>156154279>It is match-fixing that it didn't.Or gross incompetence.
>>156154407You're still talking.
>>156154011He tilts his head down the moment before it touches him in an attempt to clear the ball with the top of his head. You don't head balls like that with your forehead, it fucking hurts and can cause the ball to deflect at a weird angle.It hits the back of his head because he leans into the header too much. It was an intentional attempt to clear the ball, he just fucked up the execution.Why the fuck would a defender run into the path of a cross just to duck out of the way?
>>156154372I'm watching a guy try to duck out of the way, looks clear to me, he even pulls his arms in close to make his body smaller, whereas your arms typical go outwards if you're trying to head the ball, pic related
>muh science>muh hair>muh aerodynamics>muh muh muhShut your fucking mouth. The Croat bastards are gone, which makes me incredibly happy, and that’s all that matters.
>>156139699The offside rule is one of the most unnecessary, outdated and counterproductive rules in any major sport and should have been revised decades ago before this whole "painting digital lines to see if somebody's pinky toe was a tiny fraction ahead" bullshit started. So many beautiful plays and goals ruined due to this stupid rule that was invented before people even had any idea how the game would develop and what technology would be capable of. Literally nothing in this entire scenario has anything to do with goal hanging which is the whole intent of the offside rule. To prevent goal hanging.
Croatia was an underdog and FIFA now allows sports betting ads. That also may have played a role.
>>156154277>the sensor doesn't have metrics to determine whether the readings are strong enough to change trajectory,But it has means to compare to other impacts.If it brushes past an earlobe, it will show up, but it will look marginal if compared to a kick or a header.Not showing the two impacts around it makes it feel like bullshit, because they know if they tried to show that impact to scale with the other two, there would be no discussion at all and they would be going into extra itme.
>>156154492It WAS revised decades ago.
>>156148728you're an "electronic developer" (whatever the fuck that means), and you've never heard of an accelerometer? you're a fiverr vibecoder aren't you
Instead of Croatia, if it was some team like England or France everyone here would be saying it's offside, no goal. So you people are just as full as shit as FIFA. Except FIFA is actually making money from this nonsense so they're worse. But don't pretend like your judgement isn't completely compromised.
>>156154557>If it was some team like England or France everyone here would be saying it's offsideYeah we would but we would be lying
>>156154519Only marginally. It needs to be completely revamped because its original aim is completely removed from its real life implementation in the vast majority of cases. There shouldn't even be offside calls when several players in the penalty area. You're just getting outplayed as a defense if somebody still manages to score with several defenders this close to the goal.
>>156154557my judgement is "none of this matters"
>>156154476The position of your arms has nothing to do with heading the ball. Paulinho's arms are out in that pic to help him balance because he's jumping.
>>156154557The rules actually don't change depending on who's playing. I remember having this same argument with people on here about Mbappe's goal in the Nations League against Spain in like 2021 or whenever it was. It genuinely astounds me how many people cannot understand the offside rule.
>>156154407I cannot fucking wait until Spain fucking crushes Portugal in the next game.
>>156154607The guy is clearly ducking. And the reason he's ducking is to avoid what literally happened to him, is he rebounded the ball for some bullshit to happen. So he was trying prevent it from happening but he still failed
>>156154609did you read it?
>>156154607a toe or someone's butt shouldn't be offside. offside should be half a body or full body. the Colombia off side was ridiculous rigging
>>156140170>>156140199>>156139699The electromagnetic interference between the hair atoms and the ball atoms caused inducted current in the sensor which is a definite proof that he indeed, touched the ball on a quantum electric field level
>>156154585So then you'd get situations where they're drawing lines to determine how many players are in the penalty area. Same shit.Any problems with the offside rule can be solved by 1) Making the technology more transparent 2) Getting refs that aren't a bunch of corrupt and clueless clowns covering each other's arses
>>156154628wrong quote my bad>>156154598
>>156154628Spain dear God defeat trash cheating Portugal
>>156154641This just changes the argument from a toe being offside to a defenders toe keeping him onside it will be the same arguments it'll just change the body part
>>156154641>>156154663stop it we wanna see Penaldo vs Trump. The good timeline is one where Spain loses
>>156154628>the ball is heading towards my gut>better duck and brace my shoulders then move my head forward upon impact with the ball to avoid it>ducking is obviously the correct move to make when a ball has been crossed into the box in the dying seconds of the game with 5 croatian players around me!You're still talking.>>156154641You're just moving the millimetre-thick line from one point of the body to the other.
>>156154681bruh I'm over here there's 2 flags within 10 seconds of each other
>>156154628He ran into the path of the ball only to duck out of its way because it might hit him? For what purpose?
>>156154607You're lying now.>>156154581People are just pretending to not understand the rules because they don't support the outcome. These types of calls happen a lot throughout a season. This time it happens to be in injury time in a WC knockout match so people are running off emotion even more than usual.But I admit all this bitter crying makes the whole thing even more entertaining lol.
>>156154730no trust me there are people here who genuinely don't know the rules
>>156154628>ducking as a defender while a cross is flying into the box with opponents around youlmao
>>156139699veiga clearly played the ball, trying to head it out, which means the goal is good. there is no other explanation for him to bend at the waist and put his head forward towards an incoming cross. the fact that he missed and the ball bounced off his head doesn't mean shit. his intention was to head the ball away. croatia got refballed.
down with that sort of thing
>>156154699>He ran into the path of the ballHe's standing in almost the exact same place as he was when the ball was crossed, turns around with a couple of shuffle steps, he did not at any point run in to the path of the ball
>>156154730>You're lying now.Here's one of my posts about it >>114073549 and the image I used during the argument.
>>156154767I messed up my quoting. My "you're lying now" was meant to the anon who admitted if Croatia was team people here didn't want to qualify they would be arguing the other way.
>>156139699>a single mm of hair ruined a country's WC runBaldcels win again
>>156154765See >>156140459He steps into the balls flight path while watching it. This is not the behaviour of a defender who is trying to get out the the ball's way.
>>156139699el var sinso
>>156154765Look at the angle from behind. He clearly moves left to position himself along the flight of the ball, ready to head it away if it reaches him
>>156154869He's moving the same direction he's already moving, please stop being disengenuous
Germany choked with dignity. Squeaking by on a stolen win like this is far worse.
I'm really expected to believe the sensor is SO SENSITIVE EVEN STRANDS OF HAIR TOUCHING IT ARE DETECTED He had so much impact on the ball that the ball-didn't rotate more-didn't spin more or less-didn't change direction-didn't speed up or slow down -had zero impact on the flight of the ball in any way except this sensor that can detect ghostsRIGGI RIGGI RIGGI RIGGI RIGGI RIGGI RIGGI
riggi riggitini but there's no way these shitters are beating france anyway
>>156154652No, you don't draw lines because there is already a drawn line on the fucking field. Why do midwits say this? A clearly painted white line on the field is a million times easier to judge than constantly shifting imaginary lines. Guess how it is decided if somebody gets a penalty? By checking if the foul was committed in the penalty area. You could do the same thing with offsides. When several defenders are inside the penalty area, there is no offside. Are there always edge cases? Yeah, no shit. But there would be fewer edge cases and they would be easier to judge. Not changing an outdated rule because an update would still have edge cases is a complete logical fallacy. There is no perfect rule that is always 100% easily implemented in a dynamic sport with constantly changing situations like football. They're not playing chess.
>>156141990>did the rules change in the last 10 yrs or something?Yes
The final score should have been 3-2 Croatia, but this is the most corrupt meme sport in the world so this was the result.
my cope is that getting closer to the finals will only make Bitchaldo fall harder and I want to see that penalty merchant cry again like it's 2022
>>156142953I don't even need to read past the first of the criteria...
>>156155263dear God help Spain crush Portugal please
>>156139699if ball didn't move its trajectory or changed its speed then it wasn't touch and i don't care what microscience bullshit you use to prove me wrongcroatia was robbed because fifa wants money and ronaldo will bring it to them because retarded fans will tune in to watch him whiff tap ins
>>156154918Why's he moving that direction? What's there for him?
>>156155074The rule is fine right now it's just open to rigging because the technology isn't open and the refs are shit. If people could see how the technology worked and be assured all was above board they would accept that offside means offside and stop all the crying about a shoulder or a toenail being over the line. The most controversial offsides are these ones where a defender deflects/plays the balls and ones where an attacker "interferes"
>>156140921this>>156141603maybe they just made it up completely then, if its all arbitrary and they can just put up any graphic of a wavelength they want?
>>156155492quietjust believe the 3D renders and also believe the graphs FIFA and IFAB know what they are doing these are the best refs in the world
VAR and its implementation killed football. They should use it like the NFL does it's replays, check it for OBVIOUS ERROR on the part of the referee(s). Not to obsess over if something was possibly 2 millimeters over the line or if the ball touched a strand of hair on someone's head. If there is not an obvious error, the ruling on the field stands. VAR as implemented now is killing the game.
>>156141853kek
>>156155559What's an obvious error when talking about the offside rule?
>>156143990yeah, they should have showed the entire sequence, the hit on the head, and the hit on the player's back. because what they did show, what if they messed up the sync by 0.05 seconds? i mean there is no fucking way the guys in that box are competent enough to have gotten it nailed down with complete perfection. maybe they misread the graph and it was registered the defender's touch.this semen slurping sport is just not for me.
>>156155577If on instant replay you can see the attacker is obviously offside and the linesman didn't lift his flag due to error, it's an offside. However when you start zooming in and looking for whether the attacker's nipple is 1 mm in front of the defender's big toe, and you replay for 3 minutes using questionable computer graphics, and it's not conclusive, yet you decide to override the ruling on the field, that's killing the game.
>>156139699Offside 1000%he touched the ball and the guy was offside
>>156151867don't worry about it goy. i win, you lose, here's the chart, accept it
>>156154157that play goes very hard
>>156155634define obviously offside
fuck off it was offside deal with it
>>156155651>he touched the ball and the guy was offsideMaybe but if not it's a 2:2 and extra time. /sp says FIFA will extend playtime wherever possible out of pure income interests.
>>156140921stop asking questions and trust the tech and the jewish overlords
the only justice is a 7-1 win by spain
>>156155022yeah the sensors would have to be on the ball surface to detect it and they obviously are insidethey can't detect touching hair because it's so light that even the ball flying or being hit by a gust of wind would show on the graph as it being hit
>>156155634>If on instant replay you can see the attacker is obviously offsideIt's always faszinating how different peoples perception is. For me he was onsite before before the ball was crossed from outside the pen area. So the only question were if a new situation goes on by touching the ball with one or 2 hairs. Succer has turned into an ridicoulous joke.
>>156156216Just load it with some kilovolts and decide of the spark length.
>>156139910I don't believe this is the correct interpretation of the rule. The player is already offside /before/ he is played onside.
>>156156216And notice how the defender nr. 13 heading the ball a split second later doesn't show up on the graph. Curious. Apparently the ball grazing someone's hair makes the chart go bump, but actually heading the ball doesn't. Weird innit?
>>156156292the audio video engineers in the var room who must be the refs themselves edited everything else out and synced everything up after wasting several minutes trying to see something in super slo motion. This shit is so retarded and unbelievably rigged
>>156156216Yeah I don't buy that the ball's sensors were triggered by his hair, if the sensors are that sensitive then the ball flying through the air would trigger them
>>156143501>Iran banned from staying in the US and getting refballed out of spiteThem putting on that cringe photo-op and then getting shit down via VAR was topkekThat shit could've happened to the US team and it'd still be hilarious
why do we only have these garbage views? there are so many cameras there. spain shouldn't have a problem dismantling portugal either way.
>>156156934SHUT UPSTOP ASKING QUESTIONS STOP NOTICING THINGS
