RIGGED
>>156586945Imagine rigging something for spain when this is the audience you get. Is fifa stupid?
>>156586945How is this rigged retard? It's only touching the chest.
>>156586945Thats no penalty retard he gets the ball from a short distance without having the possibility to put his hand away in time.
>>156587626He clearly blocked the ball with his arm. They showed the replay only once, interestingly. And didn't check the video. >>156589830That's not the rule at all.
>>156590307He clearly didn't.
>>156586945you won't get handball given against spain
>>156586945are you surprised?
>>156586945don't know what the rules are because they keep changing them every year, but that should absolutely not be a penalty
>>156590373Yes he did. It was pretty clear in the video. Like I said, they only showed it once.
>>156590307It doesnt matter what the "rule" says, if he gets the ball randomly from 50 cm distance to the hand its not penalty, its not his fault.
Rigged tournament made in muricaBuahahahahhahahahahhahahahah>murica>football
>>156586945thats all you cucks say. not everything is rigged, waffles
>>156587137that's early second half. people were still away in halftime break
>>156590533You can keep repeating it as much as you want that doesn't make it true, he didn't block it with his arm only his chest.
>>156586945seethe more. go roll up your flag, faggot.
>>156590501I would even say this was discussable. It didnt look like intentional. But it was further distance and the hand was out and blocked so its rather a penalty then not.
>>156586945learn the rules reddit tourist, it's not even hitting his hand to begin with but a clearout by a defender instantly touchign a same team player hand can never be a penalti
>>156590307it came from his own player. rules got changed last yr to make it almost impossible for it to be ruled a handball when it comes off a player from his own team at a short distance.
>>156590675>blockedblocked what? ball wasn't going towards any Belgian player nor towards the goal
>>156586945What's with Spain hand balling and getting away with it everytime they're under pressure? VAR stopped when they play?
>>156590552He intercepted the ball. It's not the case where a shot goes straight to a player's arm and he doesn't even have time to react. And even then if his arm is not against his body, they'll usually award a penalty. There is no "not his fault" law in football by the way.
>>156586945He blocked the ball from going up with his handonly hit his chest first, but the ball would have gone up and his hand blocked and went down
>>156590708this>>156586945
>>156590767I was replying to >>156590501 discussing the game 2 years ago. Read before replying.
>>156590605Let's wait for the video. No need to get upset.
>>156587137we poor
>>156590840in cause u dont understand my conclusionERA PENAL
this world cup is so rigged for the big teams it's lame af
>>156590840E R ARA
>>156590840for me its a penal, but since you are being dishonest saying that germany 24 was penal i will say that today wasnt
>>156590889your post can be read both ways
>>156590761Lmao seriously ?
>>156590840ERA
>>156590815>There is no "not his fault" law in football by the way.But refs will use this criteria no matter what the "rule" says, stop seething about "rules" you seem autistic.>He intercepted the ball.He had his arm up already when suddenly the other spaniard made the header. No time to react, not his fault, no penalty. Maybe if the ball was going towards the goal, but in this case no...
>>156586945hand held high ERA
>>156590945>>156590954Did your girl immigrate to spain and cheated on you, Ovidu?
>>156590840Yeah, that's 100% a penalty.
>>156590840unnatural position blocking the ball traveling riggy
>>156590840If that´s a penal, the two hands from Belgium on the first half are penals too
>>156590307It happened to you yesterday. If it's unpredictable or a bodily reaction it usually gets waved off, else players would have to play with their arms tied
>>156586945>RIGGEDWhy do losers always say this?
>>156591113He was in the position before the other player made the headup. So its a natural position.
>>156590840>only hits the chest
>>156586945RIGGI RIGGI THE RIG NEVER ENDS
>>156586945not riggi, you needed to watch the full replay clip, his arm is up to jump in a natural position >>156590501this was riggi though
>>156586945it came from a very fast rebound out of the head from his partner, he was in the air already doing natural hand motion from when you jump and fall down.Decision: NO ERA
>>156586945I’ve been told being able to play your starting players is what rigging is.Apparently handball is ok and so is VAR being able to retroactively change the result of something that happened a minute ago. But heaven forbid a team isn’t handicapped!
>>156591091literally nobody immigrates to spain these days people are coming back from there instead
>>156591252low quality bait
>>156591162no he wasn't he put his arm up afterwards. also an "natural position" isn't decided by the time in which it happened
>>156591054yep
I know it's not a penalty, but if I have to deal with one billion howling Africans crying about a similar play then so will you, Manolos.ERA PENAL
>>156590840i've seen softer penalties being given
Era penal for argentina
>>156590675>It didnt look like intentional.Intent hasn't mattered for years, anon.The question now is how far the arms are from the body, whether their position and movent is "unnatural" and whether they're the exact body part that denied a goal or clear chance at a goal.All three are clearly given here.
>>156586945100% rigged. 100% a penalty.
IFAB>A handball offence is NOT committed when a player:>heads, kicks or plays the ball with another part of their body and it THEN hits their own hand/arm>is hit on the hand/arm by the ball which has been played by a TEAM-MATE
>>156591168yes. if the hit was in the arm unintentionally it would still be NOT a handballbut he specifically stopped with the chest and didnt let the ball go up with his arm and blocked it ; thats intentional movement, not unintentional hit arm position too wide also. its clearly on the ERA side and worthy of a VAR looky
>>156586945>TWO handballs>only big chance Belgium's>comical quantity of tippytappy passes>No Courtois, early Debruyne tap out>lose EVERY DUEL ON THE LEFT to BelgiumThey defended great until jobber failed to both punch the ball away or catch it: France is going to GAPE them >>156589830Close is arms length. That's Maradonna shit and applying downward control arms out like a chicken. This is always going to be divegrass without more contact, fewer soft fouls, and objective measures for fouls like that. Defenders should be paranoid sardines with arms at their sides flush on pop ups.
>>156591436If the ball is unexpected and unreactable it's not handball, learn the rules
>>156591472>only hits the chest
>>156591433based
>>156591506why u selecting words?i said first, at first. he still moved the ball with the arm
can someone post the Belgian player stopping a shot in the penalty box with his hand today?
>>156590840>thousands of VAR yet this isn't a penalholy vased Spain
Infantino needed a france - spain for marketing, belgium was sacrificed as a lamb, they keep doing it in front of the whole world and you know what? Nothing will ever happen
>>156591562I am not quoting you.The ball only hits his chest, not his arm.
We need a compilation of penalties from this cup so far. Some of these are so blatantly ref'd it's crazy. Then we can start doxxing some refs
Are all you posters not real, just bots gaslighting me? It feels so surrealin the 1st half it was 100% a Pen for Spain, hand outside the body.
>>156586945Are you really gonna pretend to have forgotten that the ref also didn't call a Belgian hand in the box in the first half?One that directly countered a shot on target, and not a shitty counter like this one
>>156586945They will always rigg the game for the team that is actually playing football and not being stomped during 90% of the game.
>>156591642>>156591650Neither of the two were penalties.
>>156586945>Doesn't mention the one on the first half where a Belgian blocked a shot on goal with his hand
>>156590840to be honest it's chest then arm, no penal or else this game is fucked
>>156591618watch it slower if ur blind>>156591650>>156591642post the webm
SPANIARDS INJURED COURTOIS ON PURPOSERIGGED RIGGED RIGGED
>>156591296Do not act like the VAR rigging in Croatia Portugal or Egypt vargentina or the handballs this game had anywhere near even a tenth of the outrage over balogun playing You guys get more upset at fair competition, playing the other team at their full strength, than actual in game rigging.
>>156591584that was Unironically 100% ERA btw
>>156591490>If the ball is unexpected and unreactable it's not handballMate they call penalties for that all the time, they don't care about unexpected.
>>156590840that's a penalty
>>156591714>post the webmI don't save extract from the gamesBut a slowmo rewind of it was aired during the game, so someone ought to have it
>>156591706I can't tell if it hit the arm. It's possible it bounced off the chest and missed the arm completely.
>>156590307Tell that to PSG in the semifinal you fucking double nigger.
>>156591779I'm glad neither of those were a penalty, penalties ruin games. Imo they should only be called if someone stopped a clear goal or did an extremely rough tackle
>>156590840it straight up doesn't touches his arm or barely, he catches it with his armpitno era
>>156591584that one was too close
>>156591803in this world cup?
>>156590840There is a rule that when the ball is moving away from the goal when the player of the opossite team touches it, within the box, when the shot originates from a player of the seperate side and it deviates by a teammate touching it in a non illegal way, it is not a penalty. Now watch the clip again and tell me how that rule helps, lel.
>all these weird faggy teams with the addition of even more weird faggy teams>top 4 is gonna be all yuro poor trash anywayshit tournament nobody cares
how is this spanish team more unlikeable than the all-african french team?
>>156591436That's not an unnatural position though.For that one, I say it stands if called but should not retroactively be forced by VAR.
>>156591928ok fatso cool story
>>156591845What do I care about PSG?Because I have a french flag ?So you're automatically a Bayern fan ?
>>156590307>ngubu petrified of facing a real european dream teamdon't cry buck boy.
>>156591490How about you learn the rules?You cannot EVER use your arms to widen your body surface and then use the "I didn't expect a ball to hit my arm there" excuse. Besides, the very reason Cuckarella was between the ball and the goal in the first place was to provide an obstacle. That's how that defense tactic works. So, no, he definitely expected a ball to be shot.
>>156591981First time?
>>156591714Herehttps://x.com/CalebDesignsX/status/2075674677284945970
I'm pretty sure I saw this kind of handball being awarded a penalty a few times, is /sp/ trying to gaslight us
>>156586945ERA
>>156591865What do the rules say about where does it become the arm and when it isn't? That was the shoulder hit at worst, if that's supposed to be a hand then might as well consider the whole torso.
>>156591968>That's not an unnatural position thoughIt most definitely is. try taking that kind of posture with your whole body and you'll quickly see why. Sure, he was in motion, but even then you cannot argue that it's where your hand would be.>should not retroactively be forced by VAR.This is one of the very read cases VAR actually is supposed to intervene in, according to the rules.As opposed to some of the bullshit where it has intervened in this tournament (a referee not calling a questionable or very mild foul before a goal - in Egypts case even a goal that only happened half a minute later).
>>156592022short distance, natural movement, i guess
best I can do is a screenshot
>>156592022thats not a handballclose range, shot directly in hand, when it was close to body
>>156592242Natural movement you dumb shitskin in sweden
>>156592219That's arguing if your hand is out about 90°, the actual non-footballer position, it would not be a penalty. That is silly.The Egypt-France game was refereed perfectly (on mattering decisions) and you're delusional if you think otherwise.
>>156592231>>156592262Both handballs were accidental, but the Belgian one was much more of a goal stopping action than the Spanish one
>>156592219VAR looked at the situation, they concluded it was not handball>>156592277Neither were handball
>>156592309>>156592310reading the rules both were NO ERAbut the belgian one is less flagranti have seen penals awarded for what the spanish did once or twice though
>>156592242UHhh belgiumbros????
>>156586945>>156590307>>156590533>>156590840>>156592022 You people are so retarded it's not even funny
>>156592417i admit my mistakeshit rule though>is hit on the hand/arm by the ball which has been played by a team-mate
This is the way
>>156590840pretty sure theres a rule or at least guidance that says something to the effect that a cleared ball by a defender that hits another defender's hand isnt a handball
>>156592242He's 2 feet away, his hands are by his side and the ball is blasted at him. If this is a penalty just delete the sport
>>156592417how much nearby is nearby
>>156592310>VAR looked at the situation, they concluded it was not handballthis selective use of VAR is exactly why it is rigged.>>156592494depends on >>156592470
>>156592494I'd say 1 meter is nearby
>>156591973u aint even in it potato boy
>>156592305>That's arguing if your hand is out about 90°, the actual non-footballer position, it would not be a penalty.No, because that's also considered an unnatural position, and obviously widening your body's surface. Of course we're not talking about "non-footballer" positions. Why do you think defenders like to keep their arms behind their backs so much?>The Egypt-France gameI'm talking about the Egypt/Argentina game. No idea what you are talking about, as the last game between Egypt and France was apparently in 2003.If were talking about the same game, explain to me what business a VAR has going back 30 seconds before a goal fell and getting it disallowed for a mild foul that the referee had every right not to call (because such a foul rarely gets called). You do understand that the rules demand that VAR can only intervene in cases where there's a clear error or missed call by the on-field ref, yes?
>>156591084>If that´s a penal, the two hands from Belgium on the first half are penFrance anon is right about intent and that a players intent or fault should not play apart of the handball rule. The main thing is and should be if arm is outside of the body with air in-between. Im glad many European refs do judge like this, it always makes brit-cucks seethe
>>156592310>they concludedYeah. That's the problem.Because everyone could tell that it was a clear handball.
>>156591038GERMANY 24 WAS A FUCKING PENAL, ARE YOU RETARDED
>>156592538thanks for coming back to remind us you don't care
>>156592622So the "natural" position is the most unnatural one, hands fully behind one's back as one moves sideways at full speed? Is that your argumentI did mean EGY-ARG, yes.Clearly stepping on someone's foot in the DIRECT buildup of a counter should not be called, is that your argument? Just to be clear what you are actually saying here.
>>156592671people in general are retards and specifically in this case don't know the rules
>>156592671Mmm no it wasn't. Ref agreed. You lost.
Fucking down syndrome subhumans, you are all literally retarded.READ THE FUCKING RULES, YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT FOOTBALL.THIS IS LITERALLY NOTHING.
>>156592417/thread
>>156590840This bullshit about "muh natural hand position" of "muh intent" is unrealJust like the offside rules, if the offside player affects the play in any way it's offside, if the handball affects the play (redirecting the ball away from goal, disrupting possession of the attacking team) then it's a penalty, i don't fucking care if thehand was open or notIn this one the ball was not disrupting Belgium or giving any advantage to Spain so fineCucu in 2024 was absolute bullshit and a clear penalty because it redirected a shot on target for goal, i don't fucking care if he intended or if the ball was too fast or whatever
>>156591038against us it was way more penal than here>here the ball came from another spanish player, against us you blocked a shot towards goal>here the ball comes from a shorter distance than against us>against us the body area becomes way larger than here
>>156586945All Belgium seems to do is cry about rigging and cheating.
>>156592622>what business a VAR has going back 30 seconds before a goal fell and getting it disallowed for a mild foulStomping on someone's foot and tugging their shirt isn't a mild foul.And yes it's how the game works since VAR was introduced.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox9aKEeJsTw
>>156592857Germany and crying about the ref. Name a more iconic duo.Hard mode: No Germany and losing wars.
>>156592909einmal mit alles und mit scharf bitte
>>156592622there is no time limit for VAR, its about whether the fouling team lost possession since they committed the foul or not
>>156592935ok Mahmoud
>>156592699well i'm america and therefore the main character so it's kinda important that my pov is expressed
>>156592891https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJWTSCxjIL8Sorry wrong video this is the goal we got overturned against Paraguay for a milder fault than the EGY v ARG game.
>>156590840ERA PENAL
>>156592983>can't tell basic döner-order joke or thinks muslims would make such jokesyou're posting with vpn lol
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>>156593040Sure I am, Ali. Aren't you busy still whining about the ref after your band of niggers got clowned on by Paraguay?
>>156593090which country are you actually from?
>>156593157Germany all the way down the family tree, Achmed.
>>156590840lukaku would have got to it after the chest deflectionERA (and they know that's why there was no var and no replays)
>They changed the rule last year>/sp/ of course isn't aware of itClassic. WC tourists.
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>>156593181lol see >>156593040you don't understand basic "insider" jokes that any natives would understand
>>156593251You're just a buttmad little gnome that can't accept a referee's (correct) decision, Muhammad.
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>>156592740>So the "natural" position is the most unnatural one, hands fully behind one's backNo. The expected position is having your arms as close to your body as possible. Straight down your sides works, in theory. But keeping them behind your back is easier and safer.Anyway, UEFA came out almost a year later and admitted that that situation was a clear handball and should have led to a penalty: https://www.beinsports.com/en-us/soccer/uefa-european-championship-3/articles-video/uefa-admits-error-cucurella-s-handball-against-germany-should-have-been-a-penalty-2024-09-23This is an almost unprecedented admission. If you still claim that everything went correctly in that game even after that, something is clearly wrong with you.>Clearly stepping on someone's foot in the DIRECT buildup of a counter should not be calledIt's something that very often does not get called. In other words, not calling it is not a refereeing error. Therefore, VAR had no right to intervene.Whether it happens in the buildup to some counter of in some other situation does not matter. And you know that the other way around, it would not have led to a disallowed goal, even if it had happened in the penalty era. Just like an Argentinian was allowed slapping and Egypt player in the face and got ignored by the VAR. Or how Messi committed a clear red-card foul in the first group game.Seriously, to claim that refereeing decisions in this fucking tournament were anywhere close to unquestionable makes you come across as a FIFA stooge.
>>156593281if I was muslim why would I support germany?your insults don't even make any sense. now stop hiding behind your vpn.
>>156586945>RIGGED RIGGED RIGGED>CHEAT CHEAT CHEATDo people just expect refballing to determine every game in this gay ass sport? just play the game
>>156592891>StompingArgentinan hyperbole, everyone.Anyway, that kind of foul most often does not get called. Ergo, it does not need to be called. Ergo, no ref error.Also, no, the foul was also not what directly led to the goal. If VARs can just go back as far as they like, they might as well start disallowing goals for some random foul that happened in minute one and didn't get called. Because that equally influenced the whole game that led to the goal.
>>156592474>He's 2 feet away, his hands are by his side and the ball is blasted at him. If this is a penalty just delete the sportArm outside the body (its even coming from an an unnatural movement for those that think that should play in very much(i dont)) and it blocks a shot. Pen. Simple as.
>>156592981>its about whether the fouling team lost possessionWhere in the rules does it state that? Right, nowhere.Also, read the argument again: The central point was that the VAR is not meant to interfere at all when there is no clear error from the referee.
>>156592363Spain one in 1st half was indeed an era, those exact ones are rightly given in many european leagues all the time
>>156593327ok broSpain won btw>>156593329If you were an actual German why would you support a band of niggers? That doesn't make sense either, N'kongo.
>>156590840clear ERA
>>156592470>ERA agains Senegal>the entire game against Paraguaytssssk
>>156590552First time watching football then? Recent immigrant to Germany with brown hands? How did I know?
>>156593557grow up and one day you will not be so ashamed of your country that you have to post here using vpn of a country that you hate lel
>>156593550i havent seen soccer in a while, but i recall back in the day a real barsa where, inside the box, one real player passed the ball, pique did a tackle but missed it andthe ball his his arm, that was then a penal, he, in the post match, said that its the natural way of doing a divebut a few years ago, like 3 or so, talking with a friend he told me that the changed the rules and that wouldnt be apenal anymore
>>156591436>Intent hasn't mattered for years, anon.It always mattered in reality. Only because its not in the "rules" doesnt matter it wont contribute to the desicion.
>>156593711Sure, N'gumbo. I'll be proud of Niggermany one day.
>>156593557>Spain won btwYeah. Thanks to the ref.>a band of niggers?Oh, so you're one of those. I feel sorry, for you. Genuinely.
>>156593639Sorrer is the brown mans sport now. No im german and i watched since the 2000s but since corona barely.
>>156593451...
>>156593515look up "attacking possession phase"
>>156593819Did you ever notice players putting their hands completely behind their back when someone was taking a shot? Did you think that was for funsies?
>>156593776you already revealed that you aren't german by not understanding a basic german joke that a translatir would fail
>>156593759>It always mattered in reality.No, it really hasn't. The whole reason they went dropped "intent" from the rules in the first place was that it was extremely difficult and most often outright impossible to prove or even gauge intent from a player handling the ball. That's why they went with a somewhat more objective set of rules about the arms positioning being "unnatural", and clarifications for the refs of what angles are taking it too far, as well as the arm blocking a goal chance.
>>156593899They realized that's retarded so they changed the rules, sorry italianon
>>156593824Not "stomping".If you do want to talk about stomping though, how about Messi stomping that calf in the first group match with full force?
>>156593795I don't feel bad for your nigger horde winning jack shit though.>>156593921Getting called non-German by some niggerlover will never get old, honestly.
>>156593952or Irish, whatever, can't see shit with my blue light filter
>>156593952I'm Irish not Italian. Some people are colourblind to my flag.
>>156593836>look up "attacking possession phase"Literally does not matter here. Again, you do not understand the central argument that the foul not being called was not a refereeing error.
>>156586945there's a specific rule for this and it's not a pen, but nobody who watches this slurper sport ever bothers to read it.
>>156593974>your nigger horde>yourSo the other anon is right. You are not even German.
>>156594013That's not an argument, that's delusional. It's a foul 1000 times out of 1000.
>>156594013I'm not arguing about whatever nonsense you two were arguing about, just pointing out how the rules work
>>156594042I am. That's why it's not my nigger horde, N'gimli.
>>156586945if it was rigged why didn't you score more points like you did against us, faggot?
So apparently if another defender was the last person to hit the ball it's not a penalty. I guess due to this technicality, it's not a penalty.
>>156592242>troons losethank you Spain. You haven't been completely worthless this World Cup.
>>156594045>It's a foul 1000 times out of 1000.No, it's not. It's a foul maybe 100 times of 1000.Particularly in this tournament, where barely anything gets called and third world teams can play murderball.
>>156594022>>156594120yepjust found out about this today. didnt bother to care about handball changes when its so volatile anyway
>>156594147Absurd amounts of delusion.
>>156594079>I am.Whatever you say. If you think being a nazi makes you German, keep using your VPN for all I care.
>>156594175I can appreciate someone who can learn and move on
>>156594196>noo you can't really be German if you don't support the band of niggers aaaahhhhSad.
>>156594189I can point to clear reds that weren't called this tournament, anon. Messi's in the first match being the clearest example.If you disagree, you're just proving that you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>156593956>but whataboutismArgentina would have still won that game v Austria, it ended 2 v 0. Giving Messi a yellow wouldn't have made a difference.Glad you agree the Egypt VAR was a good call though.
>>156594245Nobody with a brain thinks that wasn't a red card, Anon. This doesn't help your argument one bit.
>>156594245you can stop seething about Paraguay any time anon>>156594223>haha I said the word again, I'm so edgy
>>156594223Don't care whether you're from the US, Argentina or Isreal. You've outed yourself as nothing more than a moronic nazi either way with your braindead racist comments.Like I said, keep pretending that you're German due to your "heritage" if you like. You don't have any credibility left.
>>156594330I'm from Germany, Anon. As were my parents, grandparents and grand-grandparents. Does this make you angry? Does this confuse you?
>>156590840For me Clive, it's a pen.
>>156594301>Nobody with a brain thinks that wasn't a red card, Anon.Well, I guess the the ref didn't have a brain then. And neither did the VAR in that game. Because they all didn't call it. Which is exaclty my point: Referees have been incredibly lenient when it comes to fouls in general. Depending on who commits them, of course.>>156594302>seething about ParaguayFunny how I haven't mentioned Paraguay one single time in here.
>>156594419That wasn't what we were discussiing, though. Why are you bringing up a clear red card much earlier in the tournament?
>>156590840It hits his lower part of his shoulder you dumbasses
>>156594367My great-grandfather was from Germany. Can I be German?
>>156593386>my team VARing, refballing, diving, fouling their way to victoryBASED & REDPILLED.>team i hate doing thatrigged semen slurping sport.
>>156594499No, Svalbard, you cannot.
>>156594367Again, I don't care what you pretend to be.What disqualifies you from this debate is not where you live or your nationality, it's you going all /pol/tard. Your general anti-German sentiment in here also makes you come across as a massive shitposter and nothing more. But, let me guess, you're gonna claim that everyone but you is anti-German, right?
there is nothing to be discussed in a normal match this is a penaltyapparently different rules apply to different teams fucking football illiterate soap opera fans
>>156594525I am massively anti-German, Anon, and I can't wish enough failure upon this nigger house.So..you guessed wrong, I guess.
>>156594467>Why are you bringing up a clear red card much earlier in the tournament?Because it wasn't given. Do you not understand what I'm saying here? Refs don't call shit at this tournament. Several teams were playing murderball and got away without a single yellow.And then you come around, look at that rather minor foul in the Egypt/Argentina match (where in a separate incident an Argentinian also slapped an Egypian player in the face without receiving a card or call) and tell me that this one, of all fouls in the tournament, would surely be the one that NEEDED to be called?
The rule has always been that you aren't allowed to INTENTIONALLY handle the ball. The issue is euros and especially south american refs are very stupid and can't tell the difference so they've created ever changing criteria to help their pea sized pee brains. But the global rule has stayed the same.This situation was obviously not an intentional handling of the ball.
>>156593899As i said befor, if the ball goes directly to the goal or to a player its different. No thats not in the "rules" but it counts. For these situations they do it.
>>156594609how can u be such a sore retard? maybe read the thread>>156592417
>>156594673If it was argentina it would have been called a penalty for them yes.
>>156594623It was a clear foul, Anon. Again, you are just delusional if you think it wasn't.
>>156594637>The rule has always been that you aren't allowed to INTENTIONALLY handle the ball.No, it hasn't been that for years now.>can't tell the differenceNo one can. Intent isn't something that's writtent on your forehead. There might be situations where it seems obvious, but even then there's sufficient doubt. And in most situations it's outright impossible to tell at all.>But the global rule has stayed the same.Again, no.>This situation was obviously not an intentional handling of the ball.Which is nice and all, but not how the current set of rules evaluates such situations.
>>156594723>It was a clear foulIt was a clear MILD foul. One that does NOT get called going by precedent, both in this tournament and in general.So, I ask you again: Was not calling it a refereeing error, especially in the light of VAR deciding that Messi's clear red not being called wasn't one?
>this whole thread>nobody posting the actual rulesfine, I'll do it.> For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.>It is an offence if a player:>- deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball>- touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalised>- scores in the opponents’ goal:> - directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper> - immediately after the ball has touched their hand/arm, even if accidental
>>156594850Ball never touched the arm, so you don't even need the rule mentioned here >>156592417
>>156594670go play footballthen try what your little pedribodri didsee how fast you get sent off
>>156586945rebound from a teammate, away from the goal
>>156594887it's not technically a rule, it's just a specific case of>touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation. By having their hand/arm in such a position, the player takes a risk of their hand/arm being hit by the ball and being penalisedas long as your body is not made "unnaturally" bigger, the unintentional touch isn't penalized, unless it directly leads to a goal by the same player. Not weighing in on this specific case, just thought it needs clarifying, not all rebounds off of teammate's hands are legal.
>>156586945If it was us there would be 500 threads on /sp/ crying about it
>>156594760Try reading the rules>It is an offence if a player:>deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm>touches the ball with their hand/arm when it has made their body unnaturally bigger. A player is considered to have made their body unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation.The second is a consequence of the first.
>>156594887You don't think it touched his arm?Are you busy during Argentina's next game?
>>156594819Anon. It was a 100% foul. Please, stop embarrassing yourself.
>>156595205Why would I ref Argentina? I would actually do it fairly unlike the clear rigging in their favour that has happened the whole tourney. And infantino wouldn't want that.
>>156595150How about you read the rules and notice that "deliberately" is actually DEFINED by the second. Not by some notion of "intent" that only exists in your head.Maybe you'll also notice that the rules state that an accidental contact with the arm still is a handball as long as the other requirements listed are met.
>>156595216>It was a 100% foul.No one is debating whether it was a foul, you fucking colossal moron. The question is whether it needed to be called. And the obvious answer to that question is: No, it did not, because such fouls aren't usually called.
Where was the fucking VAR on this one?
>>156595435Hehe
What a fucking moron
>>156586945After casting my expert eye over this picture, I have concluded the game was indeed rigged.
>>156590840How can this even be a controversy? The ball hits his chest then hits an arm... I'll say it again for the slow retards:>The ball hits his chest then hits an arm... That's not an opinion, it's a fact.Is that supposed to be a penalty?Is he supposed to surgically remove his arm for this play to NOT be a penalty?Jesus Christ you fucks cry more about fouls then an faggot flopping NBA player
>>156595404>it was a foul but it should not have been called because my fee fees got hurtAre you okay? Do you have brain damage?
>>156594819messi's "red" was not considered to be clearly a red card worthy offense, VAR cannot advise the ref for a yellow, which is what that offense really was, by the standards of this tournaments reffing, as seen in today's match. it was still a foul though, IDK why people conflate fouls and cards, they gave the free kick. learn about the game before spouting retarded shit like this.
>>156595634>messi's "red" was not considered to be clearly a red card worthy offenseYeah, that's the problem. Flat foot on the calf with some good force. That is a textbook red.>by the standards of this tournaments reffingKinda true, but the standards weren't set at that point yet. In fact, it feels more like that incident was part of what set that standard.>they gave the free kick.I actually didn't remember that. If so, that makes not carding it even more egregious, to be quite frank.
This entire tread has me remembering that one match I played on my school's football team way back then. I was on the outer left and caught a nice pass with my chest but that stupid ref counted it as a handball JUST because he thought it my left upper arm when in fact the ball was hitting my left fucking tit. It wasn't even close to my left arm, didn't even hit my shoulder, I made sure to move both my shoulder and arm back in order to get it with my chest. Fucking bullshit.
>>156595843>giving the free kick for a foul makes not carding it egregiouswhat are you on you retard, basically all fouls get free kicks. man this is why the german team has declined so much, some of you fuckers don't even know football anymore
>>156595925The ref seeing it, calling it, but not even giving a yellow for something that is usually considered an indisputable red (see Balogun) is worse than just the ref missing it altogether, yes.
>>156596033You're completely retarded bro, balogun got a red because he landed on someone's ankle and folded it, and the ref wasn't even gonna give it a red before VAR advised him. Several players have made bad challenges, catching players on the leg with their studs, and not gotten reds, including during today's match. You're an absolute buffon.
>>156596133>he landed on someone's ankleAnd what did Messi do? Right. I guess grabbing the other player by the shoulders before kicking him in the calf makes it a lesser offense, right?>the ref wasn't even gonna give it a red before VAR advised him.Which is why the VAR stepped in, as it's actually supposed to.>Several players have made bad challengesYeah, we already agreed that refereeing is extremely lax, probably too much so. That was my initial argument for why Egypts foul not being called was no error, before you butted into this discussion.
Experts have concluded that it's never a pen
>>156596219Yeah, the thread's come to that conclusion two hours ago. Hand, but not a penalty because it came from his own teammate.
>>156596202yes, messi, by the standards of this tourney, didn't get a red, you said you agree the standards are lax, yet you still argue.>Egypt foulbecause it allowed Egypt to take possession, directly leading to their goal. It doesn't matter if it was a "soft" foul by your standards (which it wasn't, simultaneous shirt pull + foot stomp leading to a change in possession is 100% a foul by any standard) the ref didn't call it and this gave the egyptians a significant advantage. It's not even close to being the first instance of VAR cancelling a goal for a foul on buildup this tourney.
>>156596502>yes, messi, by the standards of this tourney, didn't get a red, you said you agree the standards are lax, yet you still argue.I also told you that when the Messi incident happened, the standard had not been set yet. In fact, in the opening game of the tournament, the ref was extremely trigger-happy and gave lots of cards. Now, in hindsight, we can state that the referees are extremely forgiving. But when the incident happened (six days in, I think) that line had not been established.>because it allowed Egypt to take possession, directly leading to their goal.Irrelevant. VAR may only ever interfer if the decision was an error by the on-field ref. If you cannot say that not calling the foul was a clear error, VAR had no right to meddle.>It's not even close to being the first instance of VAR cancelling a goal for a foul on buildup this tourney.True. But those cases were also illegitimate meddling by the VAR. It's an argument several professional refs made when it game to the disallowed goal in the Germany/Paraguay game (other than that is wasn't a foul to being with).
>>156596663The first match was an outlier, not just in hindsight, but with regards to the reffing principles they stated for this WC. They literally said they would ref in a way that prioritized the flow of the game, and that is consistent with the rest of the tourney. I'm pretty sure there were other instances of calf rakes prior as well, in either case, irrelevant if the reffing is consistent and applies to all teams.It was a clear error, the guy was stepped on AND has his shirt pulled, how is not calling that not a clear error.People said they didn't like VAR being used this way, that's fine, but it's consistent with the way VAR has been used. And yes the disallowed goal should've been disallowed, why the fuck would the refs let people get away with what arsenal was doing after pinky promising they wouldn't. Fuck, people were angry that the refs just said "we'll do better", and now you're angry because they did. It's not rocket science, don't hug the goalie after people lose their shit over people getting away with doing that.
>>156591433Facts. Germany robbed us in 2014
>>156590501I don’t know how he didn’t end the game on the yellow. There was nothing accidental about him breaking that nose.
>>156597073>the reffing principles they stated for this WC>prioritized the flow of the gameThose aren't really establishing the line.Not calling fouls (particularly hard fouls) doesn't improve the flow of the game, as it encourages more fouls, and the fouls themselves hamper the game's flow significantly. Look at how many complaints the France/Paraguay game earned for not having any flow at all because Paraguay just played murderball, because they got away with the same against Germany AND weren't called to order against France either.It's also clearly a non-argument considering how much the flow of the game has been hindered more than ever before by VAR alone.But, really, the point I made is that a week in no one really was speaking about a set refereeing standard yet. Hence the public outcry over the Messi situation. Though, to be fair, that was such a clear red that there might even be an outcry if it happened at this point in the tournament. Americans who don't care about the sport arguing that Balogun should not have been given his clear red because of the Messi incident really added insult to injury to that one.>It was a clear error, the guy was stepped on AND has his shirt pulled, how is not calling that not a clear error.Funny how you can argue that Messi not getting a card was NOT an error and also argue that the Egyptian foul not being called (something that by this tournament standards NEVER gets called and often wouldn't be called even outside that tournament) IS an error.>irrelevant if the reffing is consistentThat's the thing: It's not. Again, in the Argentina/Egypt match an Argentinian player gets away scott-free with slapping an Egyptian player.>the disallowed goal should've been disallowed, why the fuck would the refs let people get away with what arsenal was doingIt wasn't "what Arsenal was doing". It was the goalie who made contact. And even had it not been: Referees all over the world agreed that there was no reason to call that one.
>>156590840not a benuldy in my books
>>156597370THEY CALLED THE FOUL THEY JUST DIDN'T CARD HIM bro why do you keep saying they didn't call the foul. He should've gotten a yellow (by the standards of this WC) but VAR can't intervene for a yellow. We established this. VAR has been allowing plays to be made in spite of potential fouls, breaks occur at natural points. In any case, you're free to air your grievances about the general style of reffing in this WC, I'm just arguing because you keep saying shit that's just flat out wrong.It was a clear red by your standards, but by this WCs it hasn't, you're free to disagree with how they've downgraded that type of offense to yellows, but they've been consistent about that. Again, Balogun's foul was far more severe, they're not really comparable.I literally said messi should've gotten a yellow multiple times, VAR cannot give yellows, only reds, and stud rakes have not been given reds, of the stud offenses, only sliding tackles that result in direct stud contact have been given reds. Balogun's was not the same, it was a bad landing resulting in a stomp and significant ankle hyperextension.The foul got called because it directly led to a change of possession and an attack that resulted in a goal. For fucks sakes, realize that that kind of thing will get scrutinized more.The slap didn't connect and both teams got away with a ton of other fouls, but none of them directly led to a goal, irrelevant. The reffing around goals has been consistent, see Brazil v Scotland.Yes it was, it was obstruction without playing the ball, that's a foul especially with regards to goalkeepers literally due to arsenal's tactics. FIFA basically stated as much post-match, saying they had specifically been watching for it. At most you can call it a VAR overreach (which is what other refs said), but everyone wanted to course correct from arsenal being able to get away with body blocking and grabbing at the goalkeeper.
>>156598318>THEY JUST DIDN'T CARD HIMYes. And they should have.>He should've gotten a yellow (by the standards of this WC) but VAR can't intervene for a yellow. He should have been given a red because it's a textbook case for a red. Period. There also was no established standard one week in, no matter how much you pretend there was. We're both arguing in circles here, I hope you can also see this.>Balogun's foul was far more severeBalogun's foul had worse consequences. But it was not, as a foul, more or less red-worthy. Both are clear reds for the exact same reason.>I literally said messi should've gotten a yellow multiple times, VAR cannot give yellows, only redsI repeat once again: It's a textbook red.>The foul got called because it directly led to a change of possession and an attack that resulted in a goal.You mean that's why it should have been called? Because it wasn't - until the VAR intervened, which it can ONLY do, I repeat, if the initial (non-)call was a clear error by the on-field ref. Now, be honest: Does that kind of foul, by this tournaments standard, ever get called? If not, it was no refereeing error not to call it. That also means that VAR may not intervene. You're literally arguing that a foul that never gets called must be called because some 30 seconds later the attack will lead to a goal. But that's not how the argument goes. The foul in question MUST be one that is severe enough to be called on its own to be able to disallow a goal due to it. Because fouls that never get called are just part of the play as the referee wants to allow it to happen.>it was obstruction without playing the ballAgain, read up on what pretty much EVERY SINGLE professional referee out there (other than Collina who has to defend the bullshit his refs do) said about the situation. You're once again just taking FIFA's side just for the sake of it. No, I will not take THEIR word for their bullshit.
>>156598604Wording matters, I thought as a german you should understand this, card =/= foul, you can opine that it was a red card and that this tournament should be giving more reds, but don't say "they didn't call the foul" because they did, they just didn't card. Not talking in circles, I'm telling you to be precise with your language.If a ref doesn't call a clear foul and it leads to a goal it is an error by the ref. The refs have been allowing fouls, yes, but that's because they're relying on VAR to do it for them when it's not immediately clear. Again, see Brazil v Scotland, the Egypt call is consistent with the way they're officiating, no it doesn't match on-field calls because they're allowing ambiguous cases slide, yes it does match VAR calls. Again, you don't have to like this style of officiating, but it's consistent with the way they're doing things. You're upset because it doesn't match on-field calls, that's fine, but when we're talking about consistency it's consistency with previous practice in the tournament, not consistency with on-field calls. You have every right to say this type of officiating is bad and encourages more fouls since there's no immediate penalty for ambiguous cases, but you cannot say that they're not being consistent.
>>156596298>because it came from his own teammatethis has been debunked. there's no such rule on the IFAB official websitehttps://www.theifab.com/laws/2025-26/fouls-and-misconduct/#direct-free-kick
>>156599074>don't say "they didn't call the foul" because they did, they just didn't card.I didn't say that they "didn't call". I'm saying that not giving a red was a clear error by the ref that the VAR had every right and duty to correct.To be fair, that is the minor difference to the Balogun case where nothing was called at all, if I recall correctly.>If a ref doesn't call a clear foul and it leads to a goal it is an error by the ref. No. If the ref not calling a foul that SHOULD have been called and it leads to a goal, then it's a ref error. If a ref doesn't call a foul that he would never have called either way, it doesn't matter what it leads to, because it's a factual decison by the ref that is not only not an error (because it's clearly in his consistent line of calls), it's also entirely uncontroversial. And since it is not a ref error, VAR may not use it to as an excuse to intervene. That is overstepping its boundaries. Granted, if the VAR oversteps its boundaries, the field-ref needs to have the balls to tell them to fuck off after the review, arguing that he won't call the foul because he still doesn't consider it worth calling. But on-field refs seem to be extremely deferential to VAR in this tournament.>that's because they're relying on VAR to do it for themWell, that's not how it should be. Their job is to keep the game under control. If they're unable to do that, that's not even something VAR is allowed to "fix". They're still the ones supposed to make the decisions. Of course, this tournament has the worst refereeing I've ever seen on that level anyway, so ...>it's consistent with the way they're doing thingsI don't deny that VARs keep overstepping their competency left and right in this world cup. But two wrongs doesn't make one right. In other words: Just because it happened half a dozen times already, doesn't mean them doing it again is fair game.
>>156594120>>156594022>>156594175No such rule.
>>156598604Also, with regards to the disallowed german goal, again, you can disagree with the extent that FIFA is protecting goalkeepers, but you had a man mark the keeper, arms around the keeper, just standing there without playing the ball. Everyone said it was a soft call, nobody said that wasn't what he was doing. BTW I find it a bit hilarious that the former refs who said this were all PL refs, literally the league where people got away with this shit. No shit they'll say it wasn't. I'm sick and tired of this kind of set piece bullshit, play the fucking ball. IDK why you keep denying that it was the same kinda bullshit arsenal was pulling, Klopp literally compared it to them.
>>156599074>but when we're talking about consistency it's consistency with previous practice in the tournament, not consistency with on-field calls.The problem is not consistency between all the cases where it has been applied. It's consistency between cases where it has been applies versus cases where it has NOT been applied. And those happen. Which is why I pointed out that in the same game, an Argentinian player's hand made contact with an Egyptian player's face. This is, again, something VAR should take a look at.Or, let's take the Germany/Paraguay game. If you think VAR looking for a reason to disallow that goal because of a minor contact that may or may not have been caused by a German player was par for the course (because VAR has been meddling in shit for the whole tournament), then explain to me how ten minutes later a Paraguayan defender can literally hug a German player going for a header in the penalty era and is completely ignored both by the ref and by the VAR.Point being: VAR doesn't always intervene. VAR doesn't even intervene in all cases where it should definitely intervene. And often in the very same games. Which means the same VAR is inconsistent over the course of 90 or 120 minutes. And usually looks rather biased towards one side at that.
>>156599430>just standing there without playing the ballYou do understand where the ball was, right? While they were standing there, the ball was outside the field. The German then took a step back and the goalie came after him while the ball was in the air. Then came the contact, from the goalie, who fell (flopped, frankly), but quickly stood up again as he saw there'd be a header towards him. Then that header came and went in.Explain to me at what point the German in question was supposed to "play the ball". The ball was never even close to him until it went to right into the net. And had he tried to play the ball at that moment, he'd actually ran into the goalkeeper.What you're saying here is literally that no one is allowed to stand anywhere remotely close to a keeper, because it the keeper then initiates contact, you can use that reason to disallow a goal. I hope you realize that this kind of interpretation will make it near impossible for anyone to ever score a goal from any corner or free-kick ever again and basically allow the goalkeeper to wreak havok on anyone who even dares to enter the penalty area.
>>156599304>Well, that's not how it should be.OK, that's fine. You don't have to agree with FIFA's reffing line. I'm not saying you have to. I'm just telling you that's the way they've been doing things, at least to my eye, and that they've stuck to that principle.>>156599450Again, there were a dozen other calls on the field they didn't call or intervene on. If it didn't directly contribute to a goal or isn't a red it isn't gonna get reviewed. There was a swipe at messi's face that did connect and did get called, but no red card so it clearly doesn't meet the standard.Yes, the missed penalty call there was bad, so was the missed ghana penalty, they seem to not be reviewing no penalty calls nearly as often for some reason. That's a different type of ruling though, and they probably have a different standard for it, clearly not a good one, I agree, but it's obviously being treated differently from the goal/no goal decisions. Again, I'm not telling you to worship Infantino and love the officiating at this WC, but the calls they're making are consistent.
>>156586945>all the semifinalists are riggers, and NorwayWhat does this mean?
>>156599718>I'm just telling you that's the way they've been doing thingsThey're not applying rules, while also breaking rules for when VAR is actually admissable. Of course I don't agree with that, because it's destroying the game.>If it didn't directly contribute to a goal or isn't a red it isn't gonna get reviewed.And sometimes it doesn't get reviewed even then.But, again: If a foul is not considered worthy of a call, that means VAR has no right to intervene. That's their own rule. So these fouls never getting called means that they simply are not enough to disallow goals. Or, the other way around: If a ref calls such a foul after a review to disallow a goal, he also needs to call those same fouls in general.Because that alone is an inconsistency and VAR actively breaking the rules.Then doing it over and over doesn't mean that it's suddenly okay.
>>156599583>Explain to me at what point the German in question was supposed to "play the ball". The ball was never even close to him until it went to right into the net.By not marking the fucking goalkeeper. The guy put his arms around the goalkeeper, give it a rest dude. PLAY THE BALL Yes I'm saying it's gay and retarded to put people right next to the goalkeeper to prevent him from getting to the ball. Put it in the net with a good header or a good kick, stop fucking blocking the keeper. Set pieces in PL have become retarded with all that bullshit. Stand away from the keeper, if the ball comes in close to the keeper's line then beat him to it and head it in, don't fucking rely on people body blocking the keeper. Plenty of goals scored from set pieces this WC without getting ruled out, explain that if the rule somehow makes it impossible to score.
>>156599818I literally told you, they have clearly different standards for the on-field and VAR reviews, and refs are using VAR as a crutch for goal reviews. You disagree with this, again that's fine. They're not technically breaking the rules, the ref saying play on after an unclear foul is making the wrong call. VAR just never intervenes (because it can't) until it leads to a goal. They're accomplishing their officiating goal, which is less interruptions DURING play, but like you said it is also encouraging more fouls because they can get away with it until they score.
>>156599846>By not marking the fucking goalkeeper.Marking the keeper is not forbidden by any rule at all. Maybe the VAR didn't like it, doesn't mean he can make up rules against standing somewhere near the keeper. They also needed to autistically search for a contact, which, I repeat, the keeper initiated. Collina then came out a day later and somehow tried to argue that you cannot ever make a step towards the keeper (which is again bullshit not supported by the rules) and disregarded that the "step" towards the keeper (which was a bow forward) took place after the keeper had initiated contact with his hand in the player's crotch.Again, VAR and Collina are the only ones making this retarded argument. Every single referee outside of the competition called it out. No, not only Premier League refs. Not only German refs either. Also, several goalkeepers are on record saying that no harm was done.>PLAY THE BALL I've already explained to you that the ball was nowhere near. He never had a chance to play it. Most players involved in a corner never get to play the ball. The keeper himself arguably didn't play the ball either because of his retarded theatrics that made him miss it by a long shot.>Stand away from the keeper, if the ball comes in close to the keeper's line then beat him to it and head it inYou do understand that you're contradicting yourself here, right? Don't stand where the ball might get played, because that's too close to the keeper, and if the keeper moves your way, you better get out of his way, because a "step" towards him is obstruction and if he runs into you, that's a foul on your part.Congrats, anon. Your obsession with protecting the keeper over literally everything has just ruined standard situations.>Plenty of goals scored from set pieces this WC without getting ruled out, explain that if the rule somehow makes it impossible to score.Here we are again with inconsistent VAR interventions. Sometimes they just don't want to disallow a goal.
>>156586945People are busy only talking about Argentina when the Spain team has been secretly robbing everyone as per the usual script that has been going on repeat since the inception of Fifa, with the most egregious ones being the WC win in 2010 & Euros in 64, 08, 12 & 24
>>156599975>they have clearly different standards for the on-field and VAR reviews, and refs are using VAR as a crutch for goal reviews.They are not allowed to have different standards BY THEIR OWN FUCKING RULES, anon.The rules state that VAR may only intervene in clear cases of erroneous decisions by the ref. Whether something is an error or not depends on whether the decision aligns with the refs other decisions. If it does, that means no error, hence no VAR. And if the VAR intervenes anyway, that is breaking the rules.>the ref saying play on after an unclear foul is making the wrong call.Except it's not. If it's what he always does, that's just his line. And you cannot just meddle with that.>VAR just never intervenes (because it can't) until it leads to a goalThat's not how you argue consistency. The on-field ref has a line. If he never calls some kind of foul, that doesn't mean he's making two dozen errors per game, it means it's an established fact that those fouls do not get called. If a fould doesn't get called in a whole tournament, it's even clearer that it's an intended decision to not call it. It's not for the VAR to decide that the referee's line is wrong.
>>156600201No, if you're playing the ball it's no longer obstruction, if you head the ball in before smashing into the keeper, and the keeper wouldn't have been able to save it, that's legal. If the keeper runs at you, and prevents you from playing the ball, without playing the ball that's obstruction too and you should get a pen.>that the ball was nowhere near. He never had a chance to play itYes, that's literally the whole issue, he was standing there with the sole purpose of blocking the keeper. The keeper was playing the ball, even if he dived, that's only AFTER contact with the german player, he was looking for the ball beforehand.There is a rule about it, obstruction, it applies to everyone, it's just selectively refereed and outfield players are given more latitude.>Sometimes they just don't want to disallow a goal.name one instance of a keeper being blocked where VAR hasn't come into play. don't just say "inconsistent", name an example.
>>156600317>Whether something is an error or not depends on whether the decision aligns with the refs other decisions.No, it doesn't, show where it says that in the rulebook. Nowhere does it say what consists of a foul depends on the referee's line. I agree this is how things have been done previously, but clearly this year there's a completely different style of refereeing, where the letter of the law is being enforced. I agree it's a failing of the current style to not define a strict line on the field when ambiguous offenses occur that are not called, and instead deferred to VAR, but there's nothing in the rulebook that says>if the ref doesn't call X, X isn't a foulAlso, if VAR decisions are consistent with VAR decisions, a clear VAR-line is being established, the end decision is down to the ref either way, so it is ultimately their line that matters, just that they get to watch the same event in closer detail. Like I said, you don't have to agree with this style of refereeing, I think it has many failings as well (though I think the objective behind it is sound), but the letter of the law says nothing about any sort of "line".
>>156600535>if you're playing the ball it's no longer obstructionHow do you play the ball when you have to stay away from where it might go? You've just created taboo zones. And until the ball is close to you, it seems those zones even move with the keeper. If the keeper runs into you long before the ball is close (as happened in the very case we're discussing), that's now your fault.>If the keeper runs at you, and prevents you from playing the ball, without playing the ball that's obstruction too and you should get a pen.Yeah, that'll never get called. Calls against keepers are rare enough already, but in a chaotic situation in front of their goal? No way.>he was standing there with the sole purpose of blocking the keeper.How do you know? The ball might have gotten passed towards him, and standing there might have been a great choice to play the ball. Just because it happened to not get anywhere close to him, and the keeper decided to make contact with him, he's now at fault of "obstruction"? Really?>he was looking for the ball beforehand.No. Before the contact, the ball was meters above them both (and further inwards) in the air and completely unreachable.>There is a rule about it, obstructionThing is, nothing in that situation was an obstruction. Standing around is not obstructing, according to that rule.>name one instance of a keeper being blocked where VAR hasn't come into play.Well, since the keeper wasn't blocked here either ...But corners where just as much shit is going on in the box as in this situation? That's literally all of them.
>>156590840beautiful handball play
>>156600698>Nowhere does it say what consists of a foul depends on the referee's line.The question is not what is or is not a foul.The question is what qualifies as a clear refereeing error.Now, what is an "error"? Merriam Webster's prime definition is>"an act or condition of ignorant or imprudent deviation from a code of behavior"So, what code of behaviour are we talking about if not the referee's own? What is a deviation if not an inconsistency with it? No, the only way we can say a referee made an "error" is if it's something that isn't his usual modus operandi to begin with.> if VAR decisions are consistent with VAR decisions, a clear VAR-line is being establishedI've already told you how they are not. VAR doesn't ALWAYS step in to nitpick situations and overrule factual ref judgements. And if they only do it sometimes, that makes rigging games incredibly easy.
>>156600720>How do you know?He had his arms around the keeper man, you're just making excuses at this point.>unreachable ball somehow means you can't play the ballthe keeper just has to pivot and ensure he's in position to block the ball to "play the ball" he doesn't have to be rushing to it like an outfield player.>You've just created taboo zonesif the ball isn't played extremely close to the goal line, you shouldn't be standing extremely close to the goal line next to the keeper, yes. In this case the ball was not played remotely close to where the guy was, and he was right next to the keeper, with his arms up around him, that's not playing the ball. if you're running towards where the ball will go, contact with the keeper should be fine, but don't be standing right next to the keeper. if you're entirely uninvolved with the play, other than standing and blocking the keeper, that's obstruction, plain and simple. standing around is not obstruction, standing around with not intention to play the ball is.>all of themso you've not got a single example of a set piece play where the keeper was blocked and VAR wasn't called. good to know.>>156600838You moron, the code of behavior are the laws of the game, the referee makes an error by making a call inconsistent with the laws of the game. Man you're just convinced FIFA decided to eliminate your team instead of your team being utter shit, come the fuck on man. Yes, there were missed calls, but that's not what prevented your team from scoring again in 120 minutes, WITHOUT bodyblocking the keeper.
>>156593321At least he touched the ball with the chest first. You did worse than that multiple times and got away with it.
>>156590840It hit the chest first so it's not a penalty. Why are you cucks so fucking retarded?
>>156601020>He had his arms around the keeper manWay before the ball was kicked. And didn't touch him. At that time, there also was a Paraguayan defender directly behind him, so he couldn't get more distance in. When the ball was kicked, both him and the Paraguayan had moved away from the keeper. It was then the keeper who ran towards him, crashed into him, touched his crotch, and decided to dive before getting back up as he saw the header happen.At no point did anyone actively step towards the keeper, nor initiated contact with him. There simply was no obstruction.>the keeper just has to pivot and ensure he's in position to block the ballWell, he obviously didn't, since he decided to run into a player and dive instead.>if the ball isn't played extremely close to the goal lineNo, but the ball might get passed towards the goal line, where you just taking two steps out and receiving the pass means you can score a goal. And, let's not forget, Paraguayan players also were directly at the goal line, so you're not automatically offside.>You moron, the code of behavior are the laws of the gameI don't think we can have a respectful decision if you think you need to insult me over a disagreement over what a "code of behaviour" is.I'd argue that, no, the rules of the game establish that the referee on the field is the one to make factual decisions that stand. Therefore, his line is most definitely what in turn defines how the rules are to be interpreted.>just convinced FIFA decided to eliminate your team instead of your team being utter shitBelieve it or not, but I agree that the German team was shit. I don't think they'd have made it past France, and in the big picture, firing Nagelsmann for Klopp might be the best thing to happen, so the loss is not a thing I'm salty about.Doesn't mean I'll just let inconsistent refereeing go. Referees all around the world agree that that goal was a regular goal.Overall I care way more about the obvious rigging for Argentina.
>>156591436Sounds gay and stupid and designed for arbitration
>>156601304dude he put his arms around the keeper, and he stepped towards the keeper just after the shot. the german player already made contact with him prior to him stepping towards him, why do you say he touched his crotch as if the guy had eyes on the back of his head and aimed at the crotch. I never said he was offside, but he clearly moved TOWARDS the keeper prior to the part of the replay that was shown, and then put his arms around the keeper.I insult you because you bring up a dictionary definition which clearly states "a code of behavior", and default to the referee's previous decisions instead of the Laws of the Game, literally the code of behavior of the game. A referee is supposed to "enforce the Laws of the Game", not a subjective personal line, they are supposed to be as objective as possible. Additionally, VAR doesn't make decisions, VAR tells the ref to review the incident, and the ref makes the decision on what happened, so yeah, still his line, still his decision.
