I really don't understand how physical you're allowed to be in soccer. It seems like they're shoving each other constantly, but then a shove is a foul?
>>156638123A shove is a foul if the player receiving the shove is convincing enough when he dives.If he's not, they play continues as if nothing happened.
>>156638123Shoving is one thing. What I don't understand is hard pulling not a foul anymore?
youre allowed to be physical but youre supposed to win challenges with your feet (or head)despite memes among burgers, football is a contact sport
It's all about falling, that's why players flop so much. Contact without going down = not a foul, same contact player goes down = foul. It's ridiculous
>>156638123Depends how deep your country's wallet is
depends on the league/country and depends on the referee. in the epl haaland shoves/is shoved constantly and there's not even a foul. to me it was a dive. sometimes dives are rewarded which is why they never stop.
>>156638461You're allowed to be physical but you're not supposed to use physicality to your advantage? What?
so what's the solution to contact then?
There is no logic, the entire sport and the rules are just vibes
>>156638123it's allowed to shove if while one player is shoving the other that player shoves the other player in a way that the shove or shoving does not or only mildly brings the players i just mentioned into a situation where it can be considered not to be a foul while otherwise it is
>>156638123Pushing badArmbar good
>>156638123First time watching divegrass? It's even more rigged than basketball and football with how much influence the reffies are allowed.
>>156638740if two players jump for a header and one guys wins it because he's physically more sturdy and cant be moved by the other guy, that's fine. but if he bodychecked the other guy midair, that's not fine.if youre looking for an exact ruling, youre out of luck. also what people often call diving is just the reality of getting hit during a run. if youre running a full speed with the ball at your feet, it doesnt take much to make you fall.
>>156639344So it's just vibes. Thanks for confirming.
>>156638445hard pulling is still a foul, that's why Egypt's wholesome chungus ummah counter-attack goal got scratched off
The rules of this game doesn't make any sense it's a terrible sport and most of the time nothing happens
As Americans it is are sworn duty to not care about soccer. Don’t be fooled into thinking it’s a sport
>>156639605the yurocattle have gone insane
>>156639344most dogshit retarded "sport" in the world, thanks for confirming
>>156638430what a faggot "sport"imagine watching this shit lmao
>>156638430this is basically how it is
gotta agree with the yanks it's not a good look for the sport the goal was disallowed fellas
>>156639823>>156639527thats literally every contact sport. what's allowed, what's reckless, what's accidental, what's intentional, what's fair, what's fighting.only the no contact sports have a hard rule: no contact.
rules are available online for free by the way
>>156639527the way i always looked at it is that you have to aim at the ball and it is okay.it is not really that different than american football.you cant tackle the player without the ball. you cant
>>156640190Not really. Like in American football and ice hockey it's pretty explicitly laid out what contact you can and can't make.
>>156638123>I really don't understand how physical you're allowed to be in soccer.depends if you're meant to win or not
>>156640530>the way i always looked at it is that you have to aim at the ball and it is okay.Except you're not allowed to contact guys while aiming for the ball.
>>156640628and every nfl sunday I see you burgers argue about ref decisions>thats not holding!!!1dont kid yourself
Only when certain teams that FIFA is rigging the game to lose is it a foul
>>156638123It's a foul if they're rigging it for you that day.
Soccer is more of a finesse sport. American sports (Basketball, hockey, and football) require more physical strength and brutality which just isn't really a thing in soccer. I'd argue that even most soccer fans know that the rules need to be adjusted though to allow a bit more contact.
It's the most rigged sport ever and I watch the NFL
>>156640734that is why said aim at the ball and yes you are allowed to contact the players.
>>156641253NFL and other american sports are harder to rig because there's more scoring. Soccer even one goal is basically enough to win a game in half of games.
>>156641257No, you still aren't. If you aim for the ball and contact a guy and he flops over, you are fouled and potentially given a card. See that most recent pen? He was going for the ball. But he made contact, so it's a foul.
>>156640919I mean in any sport you're always going to argue about ref decisions. The rules at least make sense in theory. When you're saying stuff like "you can be more sturdy than the other guy but you can't shove them" it's just nonsensical. If you can't push the opponent then why do you need to be sturdy?
>>156641558if you hit the ball first youre allowed to get away with pretty much anything short of "reckless challenges"but if you keep one feet on the ground youre almost never getting a reckless charge
>>156641919it's not nonsensical.it's the difference between two players aiming to be in the same spot and one naturally occupying it due to physicality and one player aiming to intentionally push the other out. the relation to the ball is important - in many rules. for example, you're allowed to block a player with your body from getting to the ball if you're in possession, but you're not allowed to block a player with your body when both of you are without ball, that's obstruction.
>>156641163Soccer used to basically be a game where the goal was to break every ligament and cartilage in your opponent legs and it was dogshit, rules made it a finesse sport.
You can be physical and even violent, as long as you are strictly aiming the ball and you hit it. It's ok if you end up hitting the opponent, unintentionally, afterwards, or while you are hitting the ball. If you miss the ball entirely, and hit the opponent instead, then it's a foul. If your movement was aiming more at the opponent than the ball itself, then it's also a foul.It's a lot about intention and inaccuracy of the movement. But yeah, it's subjective.
>>156642654>the difference between two players aiming to be in the same spot and one naturally occupying it due to physicality and one player aiming to intentionally push the other outAgain that's literally nothing. Making rules based on "intent" is always a bad idea, because it becomes about who can pretend that their intent isn't what it actually is. The only exception in American sports would maybe be targeting, but that's still pretty objective.
>>156642948>Targeting>objectiveTargeting is the most dogshit subjective "Who do I want to fuck over" rule in amerigun sports.
>>156642948making rules based on intent isn't bad. it has downsides, as have rules trying to police the exact mechanics. intent can make rules be more lenient in some situations and more stringent in others, there is no "neutral", objective equivalent.
>>156643249It's not nearly as bad as soccer.
>>156643312I guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree. I think the only place intent has in sports is when it's intent to injure, which is what pretty much all American sports are like.
>>156641558Look at the sport like basketball rather than football. You are allowed to be physical but its a different type of physical.
