Mistaken identity doesn't apply to misjudging the offence by the way, only who committed the offence, rigged again
>>156689304Isn't that implying that it has to a yellow or red if originally it was a yellow or redi.e., only the identity can change not the repercussion
>>156689335Yes, if you book the wrong player for a foul, not if you decide the foul wasn't a foul and it was actually a different foul
The truth is the ref was so embarassed for his mistake he punished the other player for it>You made me make a mistake! Red card!
>>156689427He got a 2nd yellow
>>156689304how many times do we have to say this, it's literally okay if it's done for Argentina
>>156689304>>156690188Already happened with Almiron vs the US
>>156690274Was also wrong
>>156689304> under recent FIFA/IFAB rule changes for VAR (introduced or clarified ahead of the 2026 World Cup), referees can use a "mistaken identity" review to rescind a yellow or red card given to the wrong player (or wrong team) and issue it to the actual offender instead.Retard
>>156690274>vs USAnot really helping your case lol
>>156690331Yes wrong player, not wrong foul
>>156690331>>156689304this the official document, which the op also screencapshttps://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/#reviewable-decisions-incidents (var protocol; there are no changes noted about it either)its clear what 'mistaken identity' is for, and is not for misjudging the offences, as op correctly states.Fifa just literally made up a bullshit excuse and is running with it, yet it is written anywhere.
>>156690439156690439Can you explain why you are pro-diving? Genuinely curious what the defense is here.
>>156690489 meyet it is not written anywhere.*
>>156690492An you explain why you are pro rigging? Genuinely curious why you are happy for the rules to be used incorrectly to consistently benefit one team
>>156690492lol anon, there are 100 games this cup, and only two times have refs suddenly decided to punish any diving, when every game you get nearly a dozen of that shit happen, every time. The two times was in favor of US, and in favor of Argentina, right at the only player who already had a yellow on the entire team. Worse yet, it is only applied in a way that is not described anywhere in the rules, at all.
>>156690546The rules should be what they did regardless of what is written. Why are europeans so slant like in their need for retarded bureaucracy that makes things worse?
>>156690733rules have to be written and agreed upon for a fucking reason, you moron, and not pick and choose 2 stances of it to apply a pseudorule out of 100 games
>>156689304here's a better solution:don't dive like a bitch and you won't get fucked
They gave Almiron a yellow against the USA for diving/simulation. It's not like there isn't precedent. The only thing you can say is rigging here is that VAR chose to intervene to make it known to the ref when they could've avoided it, but if they avoided it then that would mean VAR is content with an Argie getting a yellow for doing literally nothing.
>>156690796Move to Europe or Asia bitchboy. I need you out of my country.
>>156690883Rules being applied wrong twice, for 2 teams getting looked after, and nobody else
>>156690489>>156689304https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/video-assistant-referee-var-protocol/ these are the updated rules for this WCThe referee thought Player A fouled Player B, so he gave the yellow to Player A.But video showed Player B dived and tricked the referee.The rules say this is a "mistaken identity" situation:The referee gave the card to the wrong player.VAR can correct it by taking the yellow from Player A and giving it to Player B instead.Exact rule wording (IFAB VAR Protocol):d. Mistaken identity — when the referee cautions the wrong player (of either team).Point 10 — allows the review and swap even after the game restarted.That's why they swapped it in the Embolo case. The rules were changed to allow exactly this kind of correction.
>>156689335if you read the mistaken identity var rule, the ref can only check to verify that the foul was or wasn't committed by the carded player. if the carded player was incorrectly carded, the ref can rescind the card. the ref can NOT review the play to look for an offense that wasn't called, e.g., simulation, and then give a new card to the diver based on var. the only way embolo could've been booked for diving in that case, was if paredes had been red carded or it was before a goal or a foul that resulted in a penalty kick. divers need to get the rope but the refs in the paraguay game and argentina game fucked up. the rule is clear.
>>156689304Don’t care, divers get the rope.
>>156691168youve literally just posted the same text of my link, and that link does not describe that bullshit you are writting on your post. So fuck off.
>WAAAH YOU CANT PUNISH FLOPPING BECAUSE… BECAUSE I SAID SO OKAY?!?!?why are yuros like this?
>>156691380Brainless rule followers. They have no nuance at all.
>>156691285Yes and that is the tradicional mistaken identidy in the op image with the updated one for the WC,the ref can swap their yellows cards.
>>156691168>The rules say this is a "mistaken identity" situation:No they don't. This is a different foul, so it isn't mistaken identity
>>156691464are you so fucking dumb that you can't scroll down or ctrl+F the text to realize that it is the same text found on your link? holy shit lol
>>156691545The ref literally said is a mistaken identidy situation.The updated rules for this WC do not say that only the identidy of the ofender can be reviewed.
>>156691380we want to punish ALL flopping. this is the issue. instead we have flopping punished only when it it is convenient. this is rigging.
>>156691611>The ref literally said is a mistaken identidy situationYeah he was wrong retard, there is absolutely nothing in the rules saying they can decide another foul is a yellow card
>>156691464not for a different foul that was only discovered during a var review, brainlet. there are a specific set of conditions that need to be satisfied for a second player from the opposing team to be booked under the mistaken identity rule, and those conditions were not present in that play.
>>156689304Cry more Mick.
>>156691617Then complain about the unpunished flops, not the flops that were rightly punished
>>156691780Wrongly punished
>>156691807No such thing as a wrongly punished flop
>>156691807Faggot.
>>156691604>>156691807Even though the rule says “only the identity of the offender can be reviewed”, IFAB and FIFA are interpreting it broadly in practice.They treat the whole situation as one “mistaken incident”:Referee thought Player A committed a foul gave yellow.Video shows Player B actually dived (simulation) the original decision was completely wrong.So they allow VAR to correct both the player and the real offence (simulation).This is what happened in the Embolo case and the Ream-Almirón case. FIFA/IFAB have accepted this as a valid use of the mistaken identity rule, even if the wording is a bit stretched.
>>156691807This right here is a perfect example of why we’re living in a post-truth society. You can show these people they’re wrong, explain exactly why with clear evidence, and they’re still too stubborn or too dense to accept it. They just keep believing they’re right no matter what
>>156691930>IFAB and FIFA are interpreting it broadly in practice.No they aren't, that's why Galarza didn't get a VAR yellow instead of Olise.
>>156691464What the holy fuck are you talking about? Where does it say: >The referee thought Player A fouled Player B, so he gave the yellow to Player A.>But video showed Player B dived and tricked the referee.>The rules say this is a "mistaken identity" situation:Where does it say that? Show where it says anything like that? You've linked to the rules, you say they describe this - yet where the fuck are they saying it? Do you think people just going to trust you that they say it and not go to the link? The mistaken identity rule is obviously intended for an exceptionally rare situation like happened in the premier league a few years ago while in a chaotic situation the wrong player was accidentally sent off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=447OtUXqrL8THAT'S mistaken identity. This is no way any normal english meaning of the word "mistaken identity". What identity was mistaken? Whose was mistaken? Do you speak english? 100% rigged and a farce PERIOD. Can't wait for the Euros for some real football and not this WWE nonsense. >>156691991Blah blah blah "post-truth society" - did you know that is not an argument? You can't just tell people words don't mean what they mean. You can't just pretend a link says something that it doesn't you clown.
why literally everyone is discussing what may or may not be the interpretation of this or that wordingisn't there an official statement somewhere of what happened exactly and what rule was enforced in what way
>>156692024Diferent ref, diferente var team, diferent situations that whole game was a mess.
>>156691991ironic since you have an Irish, Brazilian and a burger ITT who explained the rules pretty clearly yet you simios are the only ones coping hard about it kek
>>156692049lol seethe more
>>156692176That was correct, this wasntYou cannot review the offense, only identity, direct form the rules of of the gamehttps://www.theifab.com/law-changes/latest/
The only good thing about MLS is they give red cards for diving
>>156692305At the end of the day, shouldn't it be yellow anyway, or am I missing something?
I think the referee knew from the very beginning that there was no foul and the dude was just diving. I think he still gave the false yellow card to Argentina for the sole purpose of reversing it and getting that red card for them
>>156692656I think that every WC host country should be allowed to add one special rule to their WCs, and one of them should be that flopping is an automatic red card in any WC game played in the USA
>>156693055See now you're enforcing the technicalities that you want to enforce, and yet other technicalities you're just ignoring. Diving like that is very rarely given a yellow card, and the player would have been 100% safe from the position they were relative to the referee if it wasn't for VAR. VAR can not be brought up in situations like that, and even if it could the matter to be contested would be is it a dive or not, not "mistaken identity". It's a fucking joke. There is no defence to it in any world, in any timeline. The world should not be spinning today in the same way, given that absurd joke of a ruling.
>>156693189But how could it be a mistaken identity? Obviously the referee must not speak english well or something if he genuinely thought you could do that, that is not a "mistaken identity", that's a mistaken interpretation of the foul. If someone was accused of a crime and later exonerated, would you call that a case of "mistaken identity"? Obviously you would not.
The truth is that Argentinian culture is centered around riggers. They have holidays for riggers. They’ll corrupt anything just to reward riggers. They engage in rigger chants. They elect a rigger as their president. They dress and act like riggers. They draw the entirety of their modern culture from riggers. They post racist gifs praising riggers. They watch sportsball in worship of riggers. Their biggest event involves throwing parties in honor of riggers playing sports. They use rigger terms like "Anulo" and "mufa" to cover up their rigging. When you say "Lionel" or “Diego” they're not thinking of talented singer or acclaimed actor. They're thinking of the riggers. Their cities are completely overrun with riggers. They worship their ZOGbot government disproportionately filled with riggers and their global sporting cartel full of riggers. Their men sit around watching rigger-ball while their women sit around fantasizing about famous riggers. They build statues of their riggers and spike the water of their opponents just to please riggers. Their journalists fawn over riggers and do everything to protect their rigging behavior. They send riggers to the Olympics and celebrate when the riggers win because those riggers are true red blooded Argentine riggers. They post gay rigger memes fantasizing about rigger dick size. They will tell you how much they love being the villain and how rigging memes are a stale joke and they are just pretending to love riggers but the evidence speaks for itself in that Argentina has always been and will be a nation of rigger loving riggers
So apparently it wasn't completely made up on the spot, there has been a case of it happening: https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c5yze890365oWhatever the case it's clearly a crazy and incorrect use of the term "mistaken identity". One way to rig is to just make rules so confusing and non-intuitive that you can always pull some clause out of your ass somewhere to support any decision no matter how ridiculous.
>>156689304>yes fine we admit the original call was wrong and the yellow card was on the wrong player>however, muh rules!!!!!11!!!!!If a flopper can't even making it convincing he should get a yellow card. Full stop. Fuck off you fucking potato nigger.
>>156694068State of riggi fags
>>156693359>Obviously the referee must not speak english well or somethingFirst time watching a match in this WC? All of them are like that except the English ref, it's bizarre
