I cant anymore, too corrupt, worst in sports, unwatchable, like third world government tier
...but enough about the american government.
...but enough about the Israeli government
>>156692495seething
>>156692495Literally like half of the knockout games have featured questionable ref decisions that strongly influenced the outcome. This shit makes the NFL look non-corrupt
>>156692495…but enough about the Canadian government
>>156692495Yeah I don't think this semen slurping sport is for me anymore.It's all fake now.
>>156694487The rules give their refs way too much influence over the game
>>156692495The referring of the last two WC's and the last Euro are really making me want to give up on watching this sport.
>>156694487icant believe they didn't reverse the cable goal by England, literally a dead play in any sport, utter criminals
>>156694642The team with the most Ngubus must win to show Europe that they NEED third world immigrants
>>156694487footballs popularity is entirely based on the engagement bait from referees, always has been.
>>156692495This year was the most I watched the WC ever and it has this 3rd world corrupt stench about it but anything run by Europeans has that stench generally
>>156695621except it has nothing to do with race, they even rig the games for argentina/spain
>>156692495They should sold it to WWE at this moment
>>156696093>Ohhhh let me tell you, brother. When i see all those little Riggi's in the stadium. Riggimania is going to run wild, brother
>>156696093>infantino is vince McMahon tierkek true say
>>156696400>>156696369So you are saying French national team is 100% black ?
I wonder how far they'll take it. How much more they'll do unashamed. To the point where everyone will be that's bullshit and riot. I feel people are too docile, too domesticated now to do anything.
>>156696369Can we retire "riggi". Lets try to make new memes instead of spamming the same millennial crap for years
>>156694487The England and their dives ruined it for me. No more semen slurping rigged sport for me.
>>156694624That's a interesting way of saying 2016 that Euro was already a rig fest.
I just rigged my pants.
>>156692495>balls touchingTruly the gayest sport in the world
>>156696461whats riggi mean>>156694487what blows my mind is how blatantly inconsistent they are with using VAR, it's insane, either use it properly, i dont care if it ruins flow, if you have to use it 100 times, or dont use it AT ALL, people complain about VAR, but it was MUCH worse before, it's just that fifa is so corrupt you forgot any discernible difference
Its shit but i cant be detached of my local club so i will be watching soccer forever. Even if i go to USA i will follow their results on betting apps
>>156696461how about we make fifa about infantinos ploy to sneak a fj fetish to play with star soccer players testicles, like football for him is a literal fetish and thats the only reason he wanted to become president, prompt ai to make lil vids of him doin that
>>156696755It's a stupid millennial meme you have to by 4chan law spam in every fucking soccer thread same with "the most dangerous lead" because this site is just 30+ year olds having non stop pavlov dog responses to what they see repeating the same shit for years.
>>156694624It's been getting exceptionally bad as of late. We really need to win this WC and the next Euro--riggi or not--so I can move on from this semen-slurping sport for good...
>>156692495>third world government tierYeah. Why do you think the last three world cups were held in literal third-world autocracies?
>>156696461I predict that "riggi" will disappear when Messi retires, since the meme is based on his name.>>156696849>same with "the most dangerous lead"That's a specific score. Famously, 2-0 is the most dangerous lead, because you get comfortable and stop trying, which has resulted in countless cases over the years of teams going 2-0 and then not winning. You would never, ever say "the most dangerous lead" if the score wasn't 2-0.
>>156697241it doesn't matter I am sick of seeing you non creative retards just spam the same catch phrases for years holy shit get new material.
>>156696849is riggi a person or mocking fifa
>>156696994Qatar is 1st World. So are the Emirates, Bahrain and Saudi Arabia. They are rich as fuck
>>156697351It's an unfunny spammed meme you are ordered to spam 1000 times during a match whenever the referee does anything
>>156697351Rigged + Messi Cuccittini = Pessi Riggitini = Riggi
>>156697355>being "rich" makes you 1st worldNot how it works. The US are rich as well. Their top 10%, that is. Still a fucking banana republic.
>>156697412man we live rent free in your heads
>>156697408>pessi?
>>156694642Yeah, like, there's been a couple instances when a punt has hit the scoreboard over the field at Jerry World, including in a playoff game, and what happens is that they just redo the punt. Only a corrupt third-world-coded "sport" like soocer would actually let this shit slide. It's obvious they're rigging the tournament for England to "win."
>>156697501Penalty + Messi = Pessi
>>156697573when an association rigs games for multiple teams, who gets the best service, like who is the favourite amon thier children
>>156697466You seriously want to deny that you're a "rich" country, statistically speaking?
>>156697679why do you care about us so much when Angela Merkel literally admitted they let in migrants to prevent the right from getting power?? Why do you ignore that and whine about the US all day?
>>156695621Globohomo needs England to "win" with Labour in charge so they can bring back the '90s New Labour vibes, and their retarded populace can start feeling good about themselves again and not vote for Restore.
Should've been red card but of course it wasnt cause MESSI
>>156692495It was way worse pre var, footballs problem is on the pitch, now a non contact sport, boring low risk analytic football and too many negros playing for euro teams, it’s garbage
>>156697754One of Tony Blair's advisors also admitted many years ago that Labour opened the borders to "rub the Tories' noses in diversity."
>>156697779kek did you make this>>156697784yes pre var soccer was shit, but the other stuff you said is sort of /pol/ tier, the game can be saved if they wipe fifa clean of mafia
>>156697754>muh immigrationYeah, you guys are mindfucked. We were talking about whether or not you consider yourself a rich country. Because that's that notion you seemed so offended over.
>>156697779WTF IS THIS REAL?
>>156697987>ignores literal treason>no uYou retards are no different than we dindu nuffin blacks at this point with how you whine about the US all day
>>156698113>literal treasonKek, what?
>>156698046Yes, th' Isreal.
>>156698145Did I stutter?
>>156692495>I cant anymore, too corrupt, worst in sports, unwatchable, like third world government tierAll of the people I know who don't watch soccer, but are watching the World Cup solely due to the spectacle of it occurring right here in America are basically reiterating the same sentiment over and over again; "It feels like there are no well defined rules, and the refs just make up the game as they go along, including how long the game will last." I can't disagree with them. I've reached the conclusion that soccer is a fantastic sport to play, but an utter waste of time to follow at the highest professional and international levels. FIFA is a WWF tier joke.
>>156698176No, but you used a word you clearly don't know the definition of. Let alone that "treason" doesn't exist in German law. The closest thing to that would be "Hochverrat", and you understand that one even less.
>>156698378>she didn't commit treason because we have no treason laws checkmate atheistholy kek you retards are cucked
>>156698254I just dont understand when they decide to use var vs when they dont, like the cable goal, wtf was that not reviewed, they just go oh well lmao
This WC is making the case that refs are just outdated. I am sure with AI and remote VAR officials watching you could automate all ref decisions and make them fast and accurate
>>156698663deadassat this point im down to experiment, refs are literal npcs
>>156698863frfr nocap
>>156698439>we have no treason lawsI literally gave you the closest equivalent.Mind you, I also undestand YOUR treason law better than you do. That should maybe give you some pause?
>>156698663Right. Just use a large language model. You know, the thing that just randomly picks a the next word based on what it's already written and the literal bullshit that's in its training data. That will certainly lead to an accureate evaluation of a complex scene.
>>156699060>it's not wrong because we don't have laws for itThis is true German autism at work. If we remove murder as a crime then it's not a bad thing.
>>156699102>AI is just LLMs and nothing elsefucking retard
>>156699253LLMs are literally the only thing you can use right now to give an automated response. Traditional neural networks do pattern recognition and pattern reproduction. That won't help you get a verdict.
>>156699216>it's not wrong because we don't have laws for itFucking American eduction.Try reading my post again and notice that I never said anything even remotely close to that.Stop strawmanning and just admit that you do not understand what "treason" means even in your own legislation.
>>156699363AI has other applications than LLM you stupid retard
>>156699409You already made your point clear and are backpedaling now. Her literal treason is not treason because of your retarded laws so it's ok that she imported millions of brown people just so the right does not gain power
>>156698663Excellent Linkedin post, sir! Kindly redeem the needful!
>>156699451>Her literal treasonOnce again: Not even in your backwards third-world country is giving green-light to asylum-seekers considered "treason". Actively pushing for more immigration in general would not be considered "treason". Even personally leading people over your border and helping them applying for visa would not be considered "treason". You literally have no idea what that word means.
>>156699730Var only exists because of us and you guys copying the NFL. A lot of modern soccer has copied the NFL so your retarded "change bad" mentality makes no sense
>>156699363are you retarded they're doing complex surgeries as we speak
>>156699776Filling the country with brown terrorists to prevent a pro German right wing nationalist party to gain power while your QOL gets worse by the day so politicians retain their power and wealth is treason. God you are so fucking stupid no wonder why you ignore issues at home and whine about the US all day
>>156699415>has other applicationsYeah, I think you have no idea what you're talking about.LLMs are not an application of AI, LLMs are a specific form of AI. As are neural networks.Applications could be things like text generation (something LLMs typically do), visual enhancements (something convoltutional neural networks do), text-recognition, text-to-speech, object detection, categorisation, and so on.Now, what you need to get any readable verdict from AI processing is most definitely some form of text generation, don't you agree? What type of AI model do you use for that? Exactly.By the way: There is no single form of AI (by the current day definition of that concept) that does not get to its result by purely probabilisitc means based on its learning data. None of them are any more reliable than LLMs.
>>156699988https://hub.jhu.edu/2025/07/09/robot-performs-first-realistic-surgery-without-human-help/
>>156699823Did FOX News tell you that or did you go out of your way to watch right-wing conspiracy nuts on youtube? Either way, even if all you just wrote was true, it would still not qualify as "treason" by your own laws. Maybe you should try and read them? Here, let me help you:https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-3/section-3/
>>156692495why do they have 2 balls in the logo when footy is played only with one
>>156700045Great. Now how does that contradict anything of what I wrote? Let me guess: You think that because an AI (a neural network) can isolate anatomical objects in a picture with a very high probability and guide a knife with high accuracy, that also means that you do not need an LLM to communicate a verdict about a move in football? Because, those are totally the same thing?
>>156700065No she said it and it is treason since she actively hurt the country she was supposed to protect. Dear lord you retards are such cucks
>>156694642i saw an angle in hd and nothing actually happens
>>156700172Because you equate AI to LLMs to getting stuff wrong in porn stories you write and therefore AI can't be used reliably to ref soccer games meanwhile AI is now performing surgery. The argument was you didn't think it could do something that precise and it clearly can
>>156700114It's one ball for the Americas and one for Europe/Asia/Africa. I.e. the teams they're rigging it for vs. the teams they're rigging it against.
>>156700211>Because you equate AI to LLMsImagine reading my second-to-last post here and getting this out of it. This is hillarious. Did you ask ChatCPT to summarize it for you?>meanwhile AI is now performing surgeryBecause "surgery" is in many cases a purely mechanical task in very predictable environments that you can easily automate with enough input data. It's very much a pattern-recognition + pattern-reproduction thing. AIs excell at that.Your problem is that you think that makes "AI" perfect for every single thing.
>>156692495Good. the less the redditors care about football the best
>>156700366>you can easily automate with enough input datayup and you can do the same if it watches enough soccer matches that it trains off of. Thanks for agreeing with me.
>>156700114refer to>>156696842
>>156700208yea after rewatching that might have been hard to evaluate on the spot very quickly, but Anderson falling back purposely was a clear dive, players always push in the box, lost goal
>>156700489So were training the AI on years of bad and inconsistent ref calls?>this tackle here is a yellow card >the same exact tackle from messi isnt a foul at allseems like well just be training the AI to be a messi rigging machine
>>156700699No you train it on right calls obviously retard. We have decades of footage of right calls.
I warned you about this eurotards when VAR slowly became a thing. You see it almost every WC game the dear in a headlights look with the ref randomly VAR checking things. Give each manager a challenge flag and let them be the ones that decide when a check is done otherwise a ref goes by what he thinks the call was.
>>156700489>and you can do the same if it watches enough soccer matches that it trains off of.In theory, yes. In practice, look at how "great" those models are at recognizing and evaluating every day human interactions. Plus, the kind of evaluation you get from such a model will be a category result. I.e. a "yes" or a "no" or calling something a "cat", "dog" or "bicycle". Sure, you could get it to reply "yellow card" or "violent conduct" or "ERA". Getting it to provide a reason is where you'd have to rely on a fucking language model. And that one would just be throwing shit at a wall like they always do.Frankly, it's become really tiresome to talk about AI with laymen like yourself who think they're experts on HOW they work because they've generated some AI video once.
>>156700758It's insane that it's not the managers who request VAR
>>156700723If I know FIFA at all, theyll make the training dataset secret and the model closed sourceThen they can just use the model as the new scapegoat, and since no one has access to it well just have to take their word
>>156700778>In theory, yesNo it can. The logic you applied to how it works in medicine also can apply to soccer. You are now arguing for the sake of arguing and I accept your concession
>>156700807Well if they do that then the people will quickly pick up on that. If they were to go down that route then they would just keep refs doing what they are doing now
>>156700854I do agree with you that we need to get rid of the refs though, and and a public AI model + its dataset would be infinitely better than what we have nowYoud just have to make sure there werent any hidden biases in it. For example if 60% of fouls were from someone with a red shirt, it could start recognizing that as a pattern amd so on
>>156700831>No it can.It literally cannot.>The logic you applied to how it works in medicine also can apply to soccer.Sorry to be blunt, but you obviously lack the academic insight into the subject to understand how a convolutional network recognizes patterns and what exactly it is that it learns. For an anatomical surgery, the most important thing for it to recognize is where one object begins and ends, i.e., where it is located in a 3D space and in relation to both camera and knife. That is one of the easiest things to learn.It's also not at all what you would need to classify a move or action on a sports field. Or rather, it's at best a minor part of it.In a surgery, you can work with limited camera angles to train your network with, as long as you let it use the same angles in the surgery to be conducted. In a football game, you do not know which angles you will capture a situation from with your cameras. That means for that reason alone, you'd need immense amounts of training data from all angles to get it to rocognize the same pattern. Add to that that even minor variations on player postions and postures could make a massive difference and would need to be trained separately, and that we're not dealing with still pictures, but a video sequence that needs to be evaluated as a whole, and you end up with training process that will quickly escalate to unmanagable proportions.>You are now arguing for the sake of arguing and I accept your concessionWhat a fucking line, coming from a literal layman who doesn't know shit and has repeatedly proven that he doesn't know shit.
>>156701142I accepted your concession we are good
>>156701223Fuck off, you unedcucted child.
>>156701257See previous post
>>156701285Again, fuck off. You're just trolling at this point. I never "conceded" anything, but your inability to even try to argue back and just declaring victory is a literal concession.
>>156701333see>>156701223
>>156701333Are you arguing that soccer is too complex to ever be effectively modeled by AI or just with our current models?
>>156701387don't bother. Reading our back and forth you can see how disingenuous he is and he is just arguing to argue
>>156701223>wall of text>"ight"lmao
>>156694624me but since 2010https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMftczhqniU
>>156701462I am sure whatever he wrote is just him contradicting what he said before and I am not bothering because AI refereeing is already starting to become a thinghttps://sports.yahoo.com/articles/adam-silver-confirms-nba-ai-152706004.html
>>156701387I'm arguing that pattern recognition in a fully unprecictable 3D space (4D if you add time) with several factors in play is pretty much impossible to get a complete enough training set for to ever lead to a network that actually produces consistent, let alone accurate, answers.And if, by some miracle, you were able to get such a training set from all possible angles with all possible positions from everyone involved in a possible situation, it would be so massive that training it to a point where a network would get a pattern down sufficiently would take an infeasible amount of time.
>>156701613Yeah certainly at present
>>156694624Don’t watch it for the game, watch it for shitposting and slags
>>156701811Well, not with the current way of computing things either. And there's no revolution in sight when it comes to that. Quantum computing is overhyped, it isn't all powerful. It can possibly parallelize, if it ever gets to the point of large-scale usability. But it won't get rid of iteratative processes that depend on prior results to produce new results.But let's say by some miracle we ever invent ways to quickly train on huge datasets. That still leaves the problem of getting that dataset in the first place. How should we go about that? We don't want our model to give a completely different verdict depending on which camera angle a situation was filmed in, do we?But, okay, let's say that we have the dataset and the means to train a model from it, we still have the problem of giving an actual reason for why the model is supposed to be right. We don't just want to know "red card", we want to know WHY it's a red card. And the model itself cannot give that answer. It'll just say it's a red because it guessed based on its training data that it looked like a red card. It doesn't actually judge according to the rules, afterall, but by recognizing patterns. So we'd need yet another model dealing with the "language" side of things trying to piece together what it gathers from the rules to argue for the verdict. In other words, the thing already is a huge mess even in theory.Now try releasing that thing onto an actual game and expecting that it'll be uncontroversial.
>>156701811We are already doing it. He is wronghttps://sports.yahoo.com/articles/adam-silver-confirms-nba-ai-152706004.html
>>156702258>American big business buying into the AI hype bubble>"We're going to">"We plan to">"It will be"You're a moron. Good luck with your NBA. Best case nothing will come of it. Worst case, they'll implement something that'll completely ridicule your sport.
>this will never happen>Head of NBA literally says it is going to happen and they are working on it as we speak>NOOOOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I SAY SOArguing for the sake of arguing and I continue to accept your concession
>>156702537Hey, fucktard. Your "head of the NBA" literally doesn't know what he wants in the first place.One thing he says there is that he wants a Hawk-Eye like system to check for out of bounds situations, using cameras. That's literally from football, and it does not use any kind of AI. Because you don't need AI to check for an out-of-bounds ball. It also is only used for the goal line. Sports like tennis use it as well and more generally, but also without any AI involvement.But your ingenious "head of NBA" then starts to go on how he wants to somehow "automate it with AI", which, again, you do not need. It can be fully automatic with traditional edge detection + perspective projection algorithms.Then he pivots to contact fouls. And frankly, I don't fully understand his stance here, whether or not he wants to use his fabulous "AI" for that one too.If he doesn't, the whole article doesn't support your point at all, because then the NBA is just going to implement what football has had for years, probably without any AI, but they'll call it "AI" because Americans buy into that kind of bullshit rhetoric.If he does, then whatever they'll try to implement will be a spectacular failure.Again, I know my shit about the subject. I've worked with neuronal networks years before the whole thing took off. It's not my main field of academic interest within computer science, at all, but I know how it works. And I've stayed informed about current developments.You, on the other hand, don't know shit about it, and neither does your "head of NBA".And let me guess, you won't even read a word of anything I just wrote because you think insisting hard enough on being right will make you right.
What part of I accept your concession did you not understand?
>>156701533im actually on your side, just thought it was funny, unless I dont understand your arguments, is one saying we are ready for it vs were not ready?
>>156702989I am saying we can use AI to officiate games and we have started to use it. The German autist is arguing for the sake of arguing. Just doing a quick google search you can see sports leagues around the world are testing it or already implemented it>Major League Baseball has utilized an Automated Ball-Strike (ABS) system in its minor leagues and tested it during spring training. The system relies on computer vision to track pitches, and allows players to challenge an umpire's ball or strike call directly.>The NBA is integrating AI camera tracking networks. The league plans to use automated AI systems to instantly rule on non-judgment, structural boundaries like out-of-bounds calls and clock violations, removing the need for manual replays or coaches' challenges on these plays.>International competitions, including the 2026 World Cup, and top domestic leagues use AI-driven semi-automated offside technology. Multiple cameras track player limbs and the ball, generating instantaneous alerts for the video assistant referee (VAR) when an offside occurs.>Grand Slam tournaments rely heavily on computer vision networks, such as Hawk-Eye, for electronic line-calling. The AI continuously tracks the ball and instantly makes definitive "in or out" rulings, which has vastly reduced on-court disputes.https://builtin.com/artificial-intelligence/ai-in-sportshttps://www.sloansportsconference.com/event/making-the-right-call-how-ai-is-reshaping-officiating-across-pro-sportsBut yea some retarded autistic German who can't admit he is wrong knows better.
>>156702947What part of "Fuck off, you uneducated child" did you not understand?>>156702989>unless I dont understand your argumentsTry reading my posts, not his. He's literally a troll and AI-supremacist who does not understand the technology at all. He doesn't have arguments.I line out the problems that you actually have if you try to create any kind of AI for refereeing, but most explicitely the kind of AI that that anon suggested (the pattern-recognition kind that can do surgeries). There are several factors for why you cannot make such an AI bothA) at the moment, with current technological limitations andB) ever, for theoretical limitations of what kind of training data would be required and what kind of result we'd want to get out of it.
>>156702803Adam Silver is a known retard who NBA fans mostly hate, with the constant shitty gimmicks and kneejerk rule changes he keeps forcing into the league being one of the biggest reasons why, so I agree, his AI experiment will be a disaster.
ok lets try it in your retarded language. Ich akzeptiere Ihr Zugeständnis.
>>156702989Oh, and as for posts like >>156703104, those illustrate that he literally doesn't understand the difference in requirements for detecting where a ball is in 3D space based on a camera picture (easily possible without what you'd call "AI") and the general task of officiating contact fouls, something he claimed he wanted to use AI for.
>>156703259Let's try it in your language: "Yo, bro, you go fuggoff naow yeah."
>>156702989As you can see all he does is move the goalposts. It went from "AI can't do things like this ever" to "AI can do complex human surgery sure but AI can't detect when a ball goes through a line" and now it's "ok AI can detect when a ball goes through a line but it isn't a full referee" yea no shit we aren't there yet but this shows it can get there. Like I said, arguing for the sake of arguing and I will continue accepting his concession. It's like almost 1AM in Germany and this NEET autist is going to larp like an AI expert lol
Concession still accepted NEET autist.
>>156697306Pissi cucktini is still funny though
>>156703443It would be nice if this entire site wasn't just millennials forcing the same memes for years
>>156703372You're a lying piece of shit with not a single working braincell, but we've already established that.You don't even dare reply to me directly.I accept YOUR fucking concession by avoidance of the debate itself.
>>156703503The forced memes like "keyed" get forgotten>Pissi is still hilarious, just like >Sneed>Bane?>Architectto use some classic /tv/ examplesThe classic and funny memes are loved and therefore repeated, indeed that is the memetic nature of memes.
>>156703639The only reason "Pissi" and "Riggi" won't be forgotten is because fucking FIFA will never let us forget about Messi. He'll always be one of their goto stars even long after he retires or dies. Moreso than Pele even, because they fully bought into the Messi hype and pushed it themselves, whereas Pele or Maradona or even just a "minor" star like Beckenbauer or Zidane just happened and FIFA only capitalised on all of those later. But for Messi, they were invested from the start. They'll never let us hear the end of it.
>>156703104>>156703204so yeah hans has a point about the difference in difficulty for the ai model, ruling outs is essentially 2-d whereas determining a foul is 3d and in motion, so for sure much more difficult, but I personally dont know how far we are, I still thinking measuring contact amd contact area is not THAT complex, but yes it would require lots of training data
I checked again and your concession status hasn't changed
>>156703639I feel like memes can never progress because millennials just repeat the same things over and over.
>>156704880There are drones powered by AI in the Ukraine killing people he has no point trust me
>>156705489>trust mePlease shut up already, for your own good. You keep embarrassing yourself.
>>156704880also it is almost 2:30AM in Germany on a work night and he is still seething. You think a NEET loser knows anything about this topic? He is going to sit there all night refreshing the thread and seething
>>156705531>>156705710I smell a friendship brewing lads
>>156705857Maybe if the moron was brave enough to reply to me directly. Sadly, he isn't even brave enough to read any of my arguments.And I mean it, it's always sad when someone just shuts down and goes full retarded troll when he's proven wrong.
>>156705857I don't make friends with loser NEETs that argue for the sake of arguing
>>156692495First time watching top-level sports?Football/Soccer is more prone to corruption due to the rules though. There's too much leeway for interpretation. You don't see anyone flopping in hockey.
Holy shit. Europeans have no idea how AI works. This is what happens when you have no tech industry.
>>156706544explain
>>156692495>like third world government tierHey, we are not that bad
>>156692495Blatter was smart enough to know precisely how far to push the corruption. Infantino is an imbecile. Destroyed the reputation of the game.
>>156707299I think deep down, Blatter also genuinely cared for the sport. Yes, he was a corrupt sellout, but from what we know, he never actively sold out the sport itself, just his organization and the procedural decisions.Infantino simply doesn't care about anything but his own bank account at all. Well, maybe about power and getting to cozy up to dictators.
>>156706544>lose>tell everyone you won>run away >seethe indirectlyQuintessential burger mutt behavior, many such cases irl right now too.
>>156694624>started to get really bad after I won
>>156707299have all fifa presidents been shit?
>>156708727Barely anyone here remembers anyone other than Blatter and Infantino, anon. Blatter came into the position in 1998, was president for almost 18 years. Then some random guy from Camaroon took over as interim for three months and we got fucking Infantino, who's held onto the chair for over a decade now. The shittiest decade in football, arguably.Blatters predecessor was some Brazilian named "Havelange" and I really can't tell you anything about his politics or business decisions, or how much of a crook he was. I was too young back then. But maybe you'll find someone aged 50+ who can?Anyway ... if you want to go further back than him, that's 1961. Good luck finding that rare octogenerian on /sp/.
>>156708936>1961* 1974. Sorry, 61 was when that guy got to power.
