>lead 1-0>immediately stop playing football and just park the bus and hope for the bestWhy are they like this?
Whenever I see a team defending more than they're attacking, I know they're going to lose
>>156813176It happened to so many teams and they always get punished for it. It's like coaches don't watch the other matches from the wc, fucking clowns
>>156813176Doesn't excuse the firsthalf refball , goldfish-brain.
Every team that tried to park the bus against Argentina have lost
>>156814067Cope
>>156813176>speedwatchers don't actually watch Argentina's best field game yetwow surprising
>>156813176Tuchel is a coward.
Yeah I don't know what they were thinking, especially after Argentina has like 3 really close goals, they just didn't go on the offensive after their first goal
>>156813515>>156813635There was a time where Italy perfected that sort of strategy (Catenaccio), but Italy had that strategy trained into their bones, England just seems to do it out of fear
>Score>Immediately back to Southgate ball>Concede two goals and loseFucking learn a lesson.
>>156813176English classic.Always results in more years of hurt.
>>156814067What refball? Also>blaming "refball" that happens before you scoreFucking mutts I swear
>people get fed up of southgate because he's too negative and reactive>get tuchel >park the bus at 1-0 >go 2-1 down>don't make any changes until injury time
>>156814067there was literally no ref ball in this match. he was actually pretty decent at controlling the game.
>>156813176we do this in just about everything, its impolite to get ahead in life
>>156814067Brainrotten retard.The ref had NOTHING to do with England's defeat today.
Ref was good, first Argentina match without a ref scandal in this wc
>>156813176tuchel was replaced by southgate after the goal
parking the bus is a valid strategy, but not at 50 minutes, not when you have Argentina w Messi who are incredibly dangerous attackers Kane had nothing to do or work with
>>156813176they lose cowardly. I bet on the draw but Argentina totally deserved it and I'm glad that happened
fire tuchel, fucking german retard
this has got to be rigged, unironically how else can you explain this utter retardation? it makes 0 logical sense what was that bavarian nonce thinking
>>156814067There was zero refball, they were just better than us.
Get rid of this German cunt, deport him back to Germany. If we wanted a defensive team we would have stayed with Southgate.
>>156813176Tuchel didn't select players like Foden, Palmer, Grealish who can make incisive passes and use possession positively because he doesn't trust them.
>>156813176Its just ridiculous, why was Pickford kicking the ball down the pitch straight to Argentina then big shock the ball comes back 30sec later. Stalling would have been better to just pass it around.
>>156813176Who is 'they', Hans? Last time I checked our manager is a kraut bastard like you.
Was Tuchel paid off? He's not done this all tournament... suddenly becomes Southgate 2.0 for no reason
State schools teach the lower classes to be subservient to their masters which instills a self defeating personality, which is why we allow our leaders to be paedophiles and let in 10 billion white hating rapists
>>156814141>take off midfielders who cut off attacks further up>lose your only counterattack potential so it's safe for other team to attack>more people in the box doesn't actually do anything, players just get in each other's way>nobody to pass to for relieving attacks so just get pressured endlesslypeople knew this shit decades ago, how do teams still fall for it?every time a team playing this way loses, it's a victory for football
>>156814993>>156815193Go ahead and fire him I guess, but was it really Tuchel's command to defend with 11 players and do nothing offensively anymore?Doesn't seem like his style desuMaybe the players stopped listening to him and just bunkered themselves in out of fear.In other words, it may be your players' cowardly mentality to blame here....
>>156815386You guys do this regardless of coach or players, every tournament.
>>156813176They should've seen the warnings signs when Pickford made those two saves from headers. Bus parking against this team is not a good idea. Plus didn't they have the previous two games Argentina played when they were down as reference?
>>156814852You cannot just give the midfield up to Argentina. It was like watching a carbon copy of the Egypt game; as soon as they took their midfielders off for defenders they got absolutely raped.How are "professional" coaches unable to see such obvious things?
>>156815854Yeah, it was pure retardation. This game is the most deserved victory and defeat in the tournament. I would say that they were told to play this way because betting syndicates want an Argentina final but the english really are that retarded to do it on their own.
>>156814852Parking the bus when they just keep taking shots on goals doesn't seem like a great strategy, they needed to change it up after there were like 2 or 3 really close headers because it wasn't working well. You can't just keep letting them take shots on goal.
>>156814837Honestly by this point I don't think Southgate was the problem.He just took action quicker to give them a fighting chance of defending a lead when they collectively decide they've done enough and are going to park the busMentally our players are just fucked. I don't know whether it's Kane's captaincy or Pickford getting squirrelly at the back and starting barking at everybody. But someone is compelling them to stop playing out, and it sure as shit isn't Tuchel
>>156813515It works against worse, sometimes even equal, teams. But against a team like Argetina with an overwhelming offense it is only a matter of time.
>>156813176Weakmind. They're the Arsenal of international competition.
>>156814729Sure
>>156815619We made substitutes to have five defenders.
wgaf, they shouldnt have been in this match int he first place it should've been us
>>156817215we already had 5 defenders. They just had different numbers on their shirts
>>156817122Why does he grab his head?
>>156813176>SCORE. >GET TOO COCKY>OHNONONONONONOEVERY. SINGLE.TIME.
>>156817215In the 82nd minute when it was still 1-0At that point, it's understandable to get some more defenders in.But you have bunkered yourselves in essentially right after you scored (55th minute) and can thank Pickford for having saved your asses for as long as he could.
>>156815386>>156815193Truly ugly people you are, inside and outside. Go pick a English manager, because that worked so well for you in the past.
>Parking the bus when there are guys like Messi that can create scoring opportunity out of nowhere in the other teamThe way to beat Argentina is to score more goals than they can OR at very least not let them have the ball. Tuchel is a terrorist.
>>156817621He remembered something embarrassing.
>>156815845You could’ve stopped it
>>156817865Last time I checked most German coaches got their team very far. See Klinsmann, Low, Tuchel... at that point it's up to the team ... you can only lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.That's why Bundesliga is far superior to Bong league... there's a reason KANE AND BELLINGHAM play for Bundes and not shit tier Bong liga
>>156813176Did they not watch or even read about the other games Argentina played?>Hey I know every other team that took the lead against them laid off the pressure and paid for it but what if we park the bus lolMind boggling
>>156815109>unironically how else can you explain this utter retardationMillions of roses must suffer, cosmic justice etc
Tuchel should just become Germany's new coach. They would gladly take him. They can probably get to the finals under him. Nagelsman and Neuer were shit this world cup. Get rid of them.
>>156813176>>156813515THE GAME (THE WORLD CUP) IS RIGGED WHERE TEAM A, AFTER HAVING SCORED THE FIRST GOAL, HAS TO PARK THE BUS AND ALWAYS GIVE THE BALL AWAY TO TEAM B TO TRY AND SCORE!!!!!IT IS NO DIFFERENT TO T20 CRICKET WHERE FOR A FIXED AMOUNT OF OVERS, THE BOWLING TEAM IS ONLY ALLOWED TO FIELD OUT AND FIELD IN ALLOWING FOR THE BATTING TEAM TO RACK UP RUNS TO JUSTIFY A CHASE WHEN IT'S TIME FOR THE BOWLING TEAM TO BAT!!!!!!!ENGLAND WASN'T CHALLENGING AND SPITEFULLY GAVE THE BALL AWAY.ENGLAND WASN'T CHALLENGING AND SPITEFULLY GAVE THE BALL AWAY.ENGLAND WASN'T CHALLENGING AND SPITEFULLY GAVE THE BALL AWAY.ENGLAND WASN'T CHALLENGING AND SPITEFULLY GAVE THE BALL AWAY.PICKFORD WAS IN ON THE RIG AND SPITEFULLY KEPT GIVING THE CALL AWAY.YOU RETARDS LITERALLY FELL FOR ANOTHER RIGGED MATCH COURTESY FIFA. MADE YOU BELIEVE ARGENTINA MADE A COMEBACK WHEN THE BALL WAS GIVEN TO THEM COUNTLESS OF TIMES, SPITEFULLY, JUST FOR THEM TO EQUALIZE. THE MINUTE THEY SCORED, ENGLAND ALL OF A SUDDEN DECIDES TO BE ON THE ATTACK.YOU ARE WATCHING FAKE SPORTS!!!LOOK AT THE OTHER MATCHES AND YOU WILL SEE THIS EXACT MODEL, EBB AND FLOW.This is the dynamism of ALL matches. WHY? BECAUSE THE WORLD CUP IS RIGGED.
>>156813515You need to control the midfield and manage time if you want to park the bus.Bringing on defenders and sitting low, giving up the midfield to a quality side like Argentina who can string dangerous passes, make intelligent runs and have long range shooting is just giving up the game to them. Especially with 30 minutes left to play. They can maybe subbed in pure defenders with 10 minutes left
>>156819066I suspect the WC model is going to be applied to UEFA and other tournaments and club football.
>>156813515England pulled it off vs Mexico desu
>>156819511>>156819233>>156819066THE EXACT SAME MODEL, EBB AND FLOW.
>muh tactics>muh mentalityHave none of you considered that they might have lacked something more fundamental (stamina)?
>>156820290>>156819066
>>156820672>schizo ramblings clearly at odds with realityConsider the following: Spain. Always scored the first goal, never lost (yet).
>>156821484They weathered the ebb and flow. Still dynamism and ebb and flow still remains. Wake up, you fucking retard
>>156821484those are the rules of the game dumb ass
>>156821484and spain was part of a betting thing when they tied against cap verde. it's rigged and involving managers like tuchel makes it simple to control the outcome of the game
>>156817917Me? I dont think even prime Heynckes or Pep could get you guys over the finishing line.
>>156813176when Argentina put in fresh players, I thought that it would be best to do it like the NBA and throw in fresh as well. >I understand the difference with the games. instead the fresh Argies got a warm up, instead of being matched by fresh England players to slow their roll and eagerness.should have stayed aggressive anyways.
>>156818923Tuchel doesnt work well with NT setup I think, the German FA is close to appointment of Klopp
In cricket, T20, specifically, the first 10 overs dictate that the bowling team is permitted to set its fielders anywhere it wants. For the 11th to 20th overs, the bowling team has to position its fielders where the umpires and the rule makers stipulate. This, according to the officiates, keeps the game balanced and creates excitement for the chase. Similar has been done to football. The dynamism sees the the first team to score having to defend until the team that is down equalizes, or until a mandated time. There is no free flowing game anymore. The bets determine the application and affectation of "the rules".
>>156813176Low IQ team
>>156813515Coach tought we were on Mexico level lmao
>>156814067First half was a beautiful display of toughball, and they won that one with the yellow cards we got
>>156814852Didn't even need to park the busAs soon as you see the starting formation with a single striker at the front it's OVER for EnglandWe operate on a "lions pride" systemWe start as a young lion at 0-0We get stronger with each goal until we're a huge pack leading superlionOr we immediately lose our mane and become a pathetic lionAnd then a gay lionAnd then a tiny little kitty cub about to be massacred by the new lion (the enemy team)Then our woman goes into heat and gets fucked by the enemy team as we bleed outThis is the "three lions" meta by the wayUp or down to chad lion or fag lion
>>156824099>>156824208>weFucking moron
>>156819511mexico are much worse in attack than you
>>156824539>youwhere are you morons coming from?
>>156824446>lion>pack
>>156813176Its not the manager, this is literally just what the team does.>>156815619Exactly, I don't know much about football, but does "defend" mean concede the ball entirely never even make an attempt for possession? I don't think it does, defenders can still pass and that's not even getting into whatever the fuck Pickford was doing by kicking the ball right down the pitch. to Argentina ready for them to attack again, like pass it to one of the defenders maybe and pass it around hold possession and stall, that's still defending no?
>>156814067Did you watch the match with the tv turned off?
>>156814623>>don't make any changes until injury timeretard
Bongs were never the best at playing offense against the Germans
>>156817865britbongs have zero accountability
>>156813176give them a break
