>Argentina has the largest Italian population outside of Italy. An estimated 20 to 30 million people in Argentina—roughly 50% to 62% of the country's total populationAre Italians rooting for Italy 2?
>>156855943Brazil has more, whats your point?
>>156855943>Italian population Argentines with Italian passports, you mean
>>156856023The majority of /sp/ has no idea about it. It's very important for the structure of our daily tribalism threads
>>156856058>muh passportNobody gives as shoot. You will never be Iberian
>>156855943nofifa rigging it for pissi cuckitini is a disgrace
>>156856023based
>>156855943I will celebrate Cuckitini’s loss in the streets while wearing a Spain Cucurella shirt (authentic version)Im tired of being gaslight by all the journos and pundits into believing he’s the greatest to ever live and touch a football everytime he breathes or farts during a game against Australia or some obscure African island while the refs give them unheard help rewinding 40 minutes to find some made up foul.
>>156855943Terronichads, maybe
>>156855943More like Israel 2
>>156856023Why did my grandparents come to this hellhole? What was so bad about Italy in the 30s?
>>156856164>hgh treatment>Negreira protection in Primera>UEFA protection in CL>FIFA protection since 2022he's probably the most skilled player ever but he's also the biggest nepo baby there is in football history
>>156856190they were scammed and thought they were getting free land
>>156856190I think two world wars, but I could be wrong
>>156856023Brazil has like 220 million people compared to Argentina's 45 millionPer capita, Argentina is way way more italian
>>156856164Who cares? He already proved 11 years ago that he’s the greatest player in history. The fact that his haters are demanding him to two World Cups in a row, something no one has ever done in real football (post-1970), after dominating at Barcelona for an entire decade is proof enough that he already won everything at life, no one set the bar as high as he did.
>>156856023>Brazil has more, whats your point?No we don't.Note even 1% of Brazilians are Italian.
>>156856257yeah and Uruguay has more than Argentina per capita, so what
>>156856315He’s a system baby nothing more. Was completely invisible at PSG.
>>156855943I don't think so
>>156856336you will never qualify for another WC ever again
>>156856315>after dominating at Barcelona for an entire decade
>>156856336The Argentine system is literally "give it to Messi though" lol. He's thrived since the rest of their star players retired.
>>156855943idk but the football commentator of the world cup here is a big argentinaboohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFOA0xNdfA8
>>156856349Doesn’t change the fact Cuckitini is nothing but a system baby and nowhere near the greatest to play the sport
>>156856334Yeah and you're a annoying faggot, so what
>>156856329When OP says Italian he is talking about descendents of Italian immigrants, not Italian citizens living in the country.
>>156855943Yeah
>>156856336>32 goals and 34 assists in 75 matches>invisibleSee? The fact that, by his standards, what 95% of players would consider the peak of their careers is a source of mockery only reinforces his status as the best (let’s not forget he played there at 34-35 years, older than today’s Harry kane)
>>156855943On every level except physical Italy has won 7 world cups
I've talked to real Italians here and they all agree the Italian - Americans are the #1 diaspora for Italy. We have contributed the most to culture.
>>156856396That's what I'm talking about as well.
>>156855943All of our greatness comes from Italy and pisSpain wants to claim it all. I wish Italians cared more and set down their foot but I can't blame them.
>>156856190>have you visited any small Italian town? they lived in brick favelas, probably 5 to a room. Extremely poor with no land of their own. in argentina and brazil they were supposed to get land, and most did, at least in argentina
>>156856164>(authentic version)Vergognati!
>>156856336It was a pretty good system to make him look that good and to make Barca achieve so much then. Other teams should replicate it with some other arbitrary decent player
>>156856472It's what everybody knows about because of your movies and pop culture references, I don't know how much the average italian knows about >our diasporaThe link with Argentina has become also common knowledge because of Messi, but I doubt normies know that Grenoble in France has 30% of italian descendents
>>156857020Don't forget the food. Our Italian - American cuisine has now passed authentic Italian.
>>156857098lol true>work in a French restaurant>boss says if anyone wants to cook the staff meal>me : ofc I can do something italian>one guy : uuuhh spaghetti meatballs !>me: that's.. not really italianmuch like mac n cheese, never ever saw it in Italy, it stems from italian american culture
>>156857336>cook the staff meallmao what? just eat stuff from the kitchen
>>156857360usually the chef or sous chef would cook something for the staff and we'd eat together before the start of the service
>>156855943That's argies with Italian passport
>>156856775you are a retarded monkey who can't use google
>>156859305Rude
>>156855943>muh great great grandpa i think italians and germans want to preserve the prestige of having 4 stars on the kit
>>156857008They would if they could buy refs like uefalona could and Messi’s magic teleporter to the semi final this World Cup with refs rewinding time and crazy shit to get him there
As an Italian American who doesn't really care that much I guess. Honestly I though, I just want Argentina to win because it will piss more people off. They are great heals and draw an insane amount of heat. I want they hatred of them to grow stronger.
>>156862131That was more of a southern Italy thing, the north was fairly rich
>>156856023>italo-brazilian "men"
>>156856190Sigh...I know this won't be the last time I explain this, but I never lose hope:This country was empty, so yeah... They were promised a empty land.It was true, but none of them wanted to be pioneers except a very tiny amount (Seek german and welsh immigration).So, as most of the modern migrants, they stayed around big cities living in overcrowded rooms taking puny jobs.I have a longer explanation, but I know it will be useless
>>156856211like te japs?
>>156862227Even so, if you were from the countryside you could be very poor even in the north, some italian communities around the world came from northern italy (Grenoble comes to mind), also people escaping fascism for various reasons
>>156855943The entire Southern Cone has Italian blood, it's not something unique to them
>>156862227In the second half of 1800s and early 1900s more people emigrated from Veneto because of poverty than from Sicilia and Calabria put together, in fact almost 2x the number. There were even pellagra epidemics because people only ate polenta as they couldn't afford anything else
>>156856334Uruguay is our province, it's the same
>>156856369Which one would be the greatest to play the sport, little tanito?
Italian-Americans > Italians > Italian-Argentines Just facts
>>156864107Nah
Antonio Meucci invented the telephone and he got robbed!
>>156864124It's true tho, Italian-Americans are basically the richest people in the world second only to the American Jews.
>>156856336lmao coglione, you don't even understand footy, Messi is the GOAT simple as
>>156856164I don't think Messi was ever the best player on his own team until he got to MLS. Ronaldinho, Xavi, MacAllistar 2022, Lautero 2026 have all been better
>>156864215nah bro not anymore. The Persians, Indians, Vietnamese and Chinese in this country mog you financially
>>156864482>Lautero 2026This nigga
>>156864482kek
>>156856023>>156855943reminder that italians who moved to brazil got tricked into being basically slaves and farm equipment for their luso masters
>>156864503I mean we all saw Martinez win the game for VARgentina on Wednesday not Messi
>>156856315what happened 11 years ago?i dont follow soccer but anything pre-var doesn't count to me
>>156864107TRVKEdid you know italian-americans have EIGHT nobel prizes? that's EIGHT more than the nation state of brazil LOL
>>156856775Are you retarded or just a resented black
>>156856894Nigga the most prosper era for Argentina was betwen the end of 19th century and the beggining of 20th. It was precisely during that time when italians inmigrants arrived BECAUSE of that wealthiness. After that massive migratory influx Argentina started to decay.If anything, Argentina was a extremly developed country when it was mainly populated by ethnic spaniards and became shit the more italians and indios arrived.PD: Alberdi of course, was a ethnically spaniard, with a surname coming from Guipúzcoa-
>>156855943Should've switched to Italian language then.
>>156864140BASED AND TRVE
>>156865816Rude
>>156864107pic unrelated? He was 100% italian
Argentina didn't win shit for 3 decades with a majority Italian team, Zanetti, Cambiasso, Lavezzi, Mascherano, Biglia, Coloccini, Demichelis, Batistuta etcNow we are winning with a team made of Alvarez, Fernández, 3 different Martinez and Romero. It's the least Italian and least White team we have ever had.So, I wouldn't say we are good because of Italy
>>156869977Give me a quick guesstimate rundown of the ethnicity of each Argentine player rn
>reading this threadWhy are italian americans so obsessed with real italians? I never even consider their existence, but everytime italians are mentioned they come and post like some monkeys
>>156856164>I will celebrate Cuckitini’s loss in the streets while wearing a Spain Cucurella shirt (authentic version)Based Im thinking about getting one, idk why i havent
>>156855943I am rooting against Lele Adani, nothing personal.
there are regions in Brazil and Argentina that speak a weird form of Venetian dialectand in Mexico there's a small region that speaks something very similar to Lombard (frighteningly so, although some say there's no connection)
>>156855943We always root for each other, yes. Or, well, we did back when Italy qualified for World Cups.
>>156870254It's always like this>italy get's started as the main argument in any thread ever>It turns to amerisharts and oriundis in general arguingaltough I vastly prefer italo descendants than this whole globalized crap that If you're born in this place then you're automatically italian in everything, not understanding that one's own culture and origins far outweights a piece of paper
>>156870768>one's own culturePeople born in Italy grow up culturally Italian
>>156856023>Brazil has moreBy volume, yes. Per capita, no. In cultural terms? Argentina is way more italian than brazil by a large margin.
>>156870586kek I've seen the memes, was it really that bad ?
>>156870795It doesn't quite work like that.People born here but with foreign parents will never automatically be Italian, this comes to Italian-descended people in general. How do you explain then that there are literally 5th or even 6th generations of peoples still celebrating their ancestry all across the new world, would It be USA, Brazil or Argentina?Here in the modern age one of the main things that gets pushed constantly is that you as an individual, is born causally in a random place on planet earth, thus you automatically develop that one culture.In reality, you are born in the only place you could only have ever been born, A.K.A. between a male and female sharing a common ancestor that goes back to generations with a solid culture, that also goes back generations.I hope I don't sound too confusing
>>156870893And while you're trying so hard to be another country (which like a trans woman you will never be, by the way) Brazil has left their mark internationally by being their own thing. Nobody can name a single thing from Argentina. Not a single one.
>>156869977That's because we had the most retarded coaches that these lands ever spawned because AFA's terrible decisions.
>>156856190The government targeted organized criminals, communists and minorities
>>156870985>you're trying so hard to be another countryNo we're not. We are Argentina. We just don't deny our roots like so many other countries. For esxample Poland is full of russian and german rapebabies whle larping as hussar purebreds
>>156856190Brazil at the time was basically promoted as global south USA. Kek the absolute scam
>>156870985>Nobody can name a single thing from Argentina.Yes, they can. And they do daily.
italians like argentina but they also like spain. personally i love how italian improved the spanish accent in argentina.
>>156870985>Nobody can name a single thing from Argentina-asado-borges -choripan-dulce de leche-eternauta-mafalda-mate-mercadolibre-obelisco-patagonia-tango-taringa
>>156871455Dulce de leche y taringa (dep) lo unico salvable.
>>156869977Mascherano was a shitter, never understood why he was so highly rated
>>156869977Messi is Italian.All these spaniards/amerindians/villeros wouldn't win shit without Messi, the Italian.
>>156856955I got the authentic italian away jersey for about 40€
Why are Italians so ashamed of Italian Americans? I could understand this of Italian Argentines who just play soccer and siesta all day but American Italians are crazy successful and accomplished.
>>156871455i dunno what most of these are but ill guess for fun1.a type of food? i think ive heard of carne asado and carne must be meat2. dunno, sounds like a footballer from the mexican 3rd division3. dunno, like harapan maybe4. a type of sweet milk or something. maybe from nuts5. no idea, sounds like an eternal astronaut6. dunno, but anulo mafa7. your friend. but also a drink made of ground of leaves8. i think its a shopping centre9. an obelisk? or the fat guy from asterix10. clothing brand?11. dance, or an underrated carbonated beverage12. dunno. maybe a type of slag like a rocha or something
>>156872799Moise Kean is Italian.You're just American.(99% of real Italians agree with me. Fascists disagree)
>>156872799We saw Jersey Shore
>>156872799i think its just everything about them that makes it to europe is badto us, theyre either obnoxious mafia wannabees who yell at everything and say fuggeddaboudit im wawkin ere, or guido douchebags. im sure theyre not all like this but thats all we get to see here.
>>156872799>American Italians are crazy successful and accomplishedNot all of them.
>>156872799they are the descendants of criminal scum who took their business to your country when the government tried to crack down on it
>>156855943>>156856257well which is it
>>156873265Brazil has less than 1% of it's population made out or Italians, Argentina is like 40%.Argentina has way more Italians than Brazil, they probably have less than America.
>>156867455People talk about the Italians but the same number of Spanish arrived in Argentina in the end of the 19th century up until 1960 from all regions of Spain especially Galicia and Andalucia which mixed with the Italians since they looked the same. Spain had more profound impact in our subconcious than Italy.
>>156873105>to us, theyre either obnoxious mafia wannabees who yell at everything and say fuggeddaboudit im wawkin ere, or guido douchebagsthis , people here hate that stereotype
>>156870983It is a bit confusing butanywayFor starter I'd say that defining italian as a "solid" culture is a bit of a stretch, since before 160 years ago we were all divided in different states/republics/whatever, the "italian" culture, starting from the language, was imposed from the top to unify the masses, but we still can find nowadays several cultural differences from different regions (I don't know how old you are, but I still have vivid memories of the whole "Lega Nord vs Terroni", which basically employed the same rethoric we use for immigrants at the moment)Don't get me wrong, I wholeheartedly agree that "being born here makes you italian" is 100% ideological bullshit, but so is "you can't ever be italian if you're not ethnically one", as is also very difficult to define a unified ethnic group, since Sicilians are roman/greek/moor/normand mutts and altoatesini are basically krauts, just to make examplesI talk from my experience, I grew up with an halfnigerian and several albanian friends who were born or grew up here, and I bet that, behind a dark screen, you could converse with them for hours without ever realising they're not ethnically ItaliansOn the opposite spectrum, you can pick any Guido from New Jersey and even if he's 100% italian blood he will always be culturally more american than italian
>>156855943>largest An estimated 30 to 32 million Brazilians have Italian heritage
>>156856190Why did mine come to Belgium? I would not be an incel in South America.
>>156873559>An estimated 30 to 32 million Brazilians have Italian heritageNot even 1 million, stop spreading lies.
>>156873563Holy shit is your ancestor from Cabernardi ? Did he work in the mines ?
>>156872897Have you never heard of the Library of Babel story?
>>15687326560% of the population of Argentina could get Italian passports (potentially) when we had a huge financial crisis in 2001, this was said by the Italian ambassador. I imagine the number is smaller now, since a generation has passed, whites have a lower birth rate than nonwhites, and Argentina received many immigrants from places like Bolivia and Paraguay (although Paraguay in the last 15 years has developed and reduced their emmigration).But that doesn't mean that 60% are pure Italians, some are pure, others are mixed with other euros or even with mestizos or natives. The most famous mestizo with an Italian surname must be Di Maria, and before him Passarella. Argentines who are full blooded Italians would be Scaloni, Ginobili or Pope Francis.
>>156873603Worked in the mines but from another place. That happened in Scotland too?
>>156873401Mainly from Galicia as far as I know, after all you've used "gallegos" to refer to spaniards since. Although that was a bit lesser in numbers than the italian one (that minding the "spaniard" population that was already there).
>>156873653I'm actually half english half italian (born in the UK, raised in Italy, I feel 100% italian), but there's this little town near mine (central Italy) who has a history of migrating to Belgium to work in the mines, I think there was an accident and many of them died so there's a commemorative monument there
>>156855943>>156856023The numbers of "italians" in both of these countries are counting people who are mostly something else.
>>156873105>>156873491many of them descend from poor people who immigrated to very rough, working class neighborhoods in America. So once they finally got out of poverty they act like typical poorfags with money. Very trashy, taste. No sense of class, etc. Also it's not easy to develop class or culture in anglo america. Middle class people live in segregated suburbs and mostly interact with their own group. So the obnoxious culture is passed on through generations.
>>156862948This is wrong. It's counting people who have like one italian great great grandfather. The genepool in São Paulo isn't that Italian, that's the percentage of people with Italian ancestry. There is a gigantic difference
>>156871455Barbecue, doce de leite, mate and an obelisk aren't exclusive to or specially associated to Argentina
>>156873190Tfw no isaboo gf
>>156874022Yeah its not only them, its not like plastic paddies or chicanos have better reputations in europe or in their home countries.
>>156874242Yes they are lol, ask anyone
>>156872897>dunno, but anulo mafaKek
>>156873621no, but i know the ryan of babel story if that counts
>>156874278Anyone inside of argentina? We have all of that stuff here in Brazil and I never had anyone associate it with Argentina. Internationally only mate might be associated with Argentina but barbecue is common in many countries and doce de leite is part of any iberian influenced cuisine as far as I know
>>156874366at least for the anglosphere argentinian BBQ is pretty well known i think. more so than other south american BBQs anyway.ive seen dulche de leche in spain, until now i thought it was from there, maybe they stole it from argentina though.i first knew of mate because of uruguayans, but maybe they stole it too idk.
>>156871455>asado>mercadolibregot 2nd hand embarassment from this post
>>156870254They're of sicilian descent
>>156870705Yeah, we received italians as well, I'm guessing because we also received a lot of south french (i am of south french descent) . My town had both french and italians
>>156874366Barbecue in general obviously not, but argentinian steak and grilled meat is recognized internationally, Dulce de Leche has more of a mixed history but even Americans started selling "Dulce de Leche" frappés (Notice how it's in spanish) The obelisk is fair though, I would say that internationally only the Vatican Obelisk is recognized
>>156874418Is the Argentina style of BBQ different? This is a legitimate question. I thought asado was just how they called barbecue like we call it churrasco hereDoce de leite is common food in the Northeast and Minas, parts of Brazil very far away from the Hispanic border, so it came with the Portuguese and must be a common thing to Iberia or Europe in general
>>156867455Alberdi was a raging Anglophile most of his life and tamed his obsession when late 1800s England made kids die inside mines and factories to sustain muh capitalism. And it shows in his works later in life. He was devout Catholic nonetheless. He explicitly wanted British, German and French immigrants in the 1850s, but the country ended up fixing its shit 20 years later and the Welsh and Volga Germans was the closest he got.
>>156874471Of course Americans would use a spanish name for it. They have billions more hispanics than they have Brazilians or Portuguese
The funniest thing is reading random countries having an existential crisis about us and demanding we become the global superpower and winner on all sports to even have an opinion.I could get it from neighbors and the Anglos, but that Polish faggot? what did we even do to Poland? We took your ass as refugees multiple times LMAO.
>>156874418Technically Mate does not belong to any nation since the first consumers are the native Guaranís, so if we go by which country is closer to the Guaranís we would say Mate is Paraguayan.Uruguay is the biggest consumer of Yerba Mate per capita, while Argentina is leading in total volume, even though we consume mate on very similar levels, the grinding of their Yerba is much more finer and dusty, therefore more grams per serving, which might influence their consumption per capita.
>>156874497This sounds like a cope ngl
>>156874474I think the Brazilian cows or meat cuts are not as good as here because the BBQ I ate in Brazil was not enjoyable at all. The other issue was that you guys for some reason don't like bread.But I really liked the ham and cheese pastels and I wish these were sold here.
>>156874603Sounds perfectly logical to me. They probably learned about doce de leite from mexicans>>156874622BBQ varies as much as any type of food. You probably eat some churrasquinho de gato of dubious quality
>>156874660I understand this but on my way to Brazil I stopped at the middle of nowhere in Corrientes to eat BBQ in some shitty roadside home/restaurant and I still liked it a lot more than the Brapzilian one.
>>156874265would fuck this boy's ass as HARD as if he had no cock
>>156874660>Sounds perfectly logical to me. They probably learned about doce de leite from mexicansWell, no, they call it "Cajeta", not Dulce de Leche, again, you're coping
>>156874691Brazil meat in general sucks ass, it gets worse the more North you go, but the southern regions have decent meat, still not as good, but similar to our low/medium tier at least.
>>156872799therizzler
>>156856164BASED.
>>156874724You just proved that mexicans also have a version of doce de leite kek, I just assumed they had. Why do you want to claim something that all of Latin America and Iberian peninsula has? Why don't Argentineans promote more specifically Argentinean things like tango?
>>156874834It's also stupid as fuck because he could have said alfajores instead, which is a dish we actually excel at.
>>156874834I literally mentioned that Dulce de Leche has a mixed history of different nations, but we're talking about international association, if it was because of the mexicans, they would use the mexican name for it, are you retarded by any chance?
>>156874863This. That's one thing I actually associate with Argentina not fucking doce de leite
>>156874882Doce de leite is not internationally associated with Argentina bro. That's like saying cookies are associated with the UK or bread is associated with Italy or some retard shit like this
>>156874903>Mexicans call it Cajeta>Colombians and Venezuela call it Arequipe>Argentina and Uruguay are the only two countries who call it "Dulce de Leche">Internationally it's always called and marketed as"Dulce de Leche", which is the association we're discussing>Nooooo dude it definitely has NOTHING to do with association with ArgentinaAgain, you're either coping or you're just retarded.
>>156874987We also call it dulce de leche, cajeta is its own thing actually
>>156874987Doce de leite or dulce de leche (literally milk sweet) is just the actual name of the thing. Those other names you are mentioning sound like slang. I didn't even google this but I'm sure they call it dulce de leche in Spain and that's the formal name in those other countries
>>156875074>I'm sure they call it dulce de leche in SpainYeah I'm sure that's the country most commonly associated with Dulce de Leche, Spain
>>156875153No country is associated with doce de leite, that's the point. It's like trying to claim barbecue or bread
>>156875168>No country is associated with doce de leite>>156874987Tell me why they market it in spanish, then.
>>156875153Well, I'm european and I always thought dulce de leche was from Spain. Sorry to break it to you but no, we don't associate it with Argentina, blame the castillans for stealing the honors, but the other spics are right
>>156875192Because it's a thing from iberian language countries and spanish is by far the most popular iberian language in the US so the obvious choice? The English translation sounds bad so they should just pick the most common local name, which is dulce de leche
Kek do Argies really want to claim milk sweet, barbecue, the guarani grass tea and italians? Do they even have a culture of their own?
>>156875332>>156874581No?>>156875205>>156875250The other argiebro was right, Alfajores is definitely more recognized as argentinian, although now I'm wondering, Dulce de Leche is definitely used a lot in both alfajores and pastries in Argentina. Do the other countries implement Dulce de Leche a lot? How is it used?
>>156855943The ghost of Italy lives on in Argentina.
>>156870985almost entire world seething about us at this very moment, your point?
>>156875699i was in a balkan thread a few days ago and they all agreed greeks were a bulgarian/turk hybrid and not actually meds and the original greeks are north macedonians now. could just be banter though.>>156875453i think for spain they mainly use it in tarts, ice creams, or just drink it. but i asked AI where it originally came from and it said argentina so maybe youre right
>>156871160which hispanic countries spanish accent sounds best, which sounds worst? argentina best mexican american worst?
>>156876264The paraguayan accent is funny but I think chileans have one of the worst ones
>>156876264Worst I'd say Chilean because it's fucking unintelligible, they speak like andalusians but worse, always mouth wide openI personally love Galician because it's deep and guttural, and I'm fond of Mexican because of ex gf and frens, also colombian is very pleasant to hear from cuties
>>156855943>>Argentina has the largest Italian population outside of Italy. An estimated 20 to 30 million people in Argentina—roughly 50% to 62% of the country's total populationThat explains so much
>>156856023Kek based.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8q19W2z5LRU
>>156875453We eat doce de leite in regular base kek
The Italian-American mafia stereotype needs to die. At this point the “American Mafia” is basically a few dozen old guys and half of them work for the FBI.
>>156861644>want x to win because it will piss more people off.A true spee connoisseur
>>156856190>What was so bad about Italy in the 30s?Nothing.Southern Italy though? Oh man that place sucked
>>156873893Nigga you from Arezzo by any chance?
>>156862464>So, as most of the modern migrants, they stayed around big cities living in overcrowded rooms taking puny jobs.fuckers did the same thing here kekbased shitalians refusing to work the fields
>>156875453lemme guess, pizza is argensimian too?
>>156875453We mostly eat doce de leite on its own, in tablets or as paste, not so much as an ingredient to make something else
>>156872799too much media exposure
>>156877864Nope from Fabriano, marche but very near the umbria border
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