>>157176381
His career must really be in the dumps

I think he is a good coach for USA. Or am I in the wrong or what?

>>157176449
He is, the problem is USMNT has shit players

>>157176449
got tactically bodied in the RO16. he was generally good, not sure we can do any better.

>>157176516
don't think it was a tactical mistake but mostly mentality collapse

>>157176696
the first 20 mins we were completely unprepared for their shape. and mentality played a huge rule throughout, but we weren't getting into any spaces or making any sort of movements to break their set up later on

>>157176696
He switched back to the back 4 despite that burning us over and over again

>>157176381
It’s over

>>157176381
It's started

>>157176381
congratulations on your group phase exist in 2030.

>>157176381
I mean why not, not like they can get much better than him

>>157177541
>cucknada
>jessuh marsch

>>157176696
Back in my day that was called bad coaching

>>157176449
He isnt, I think the game against Belgium got fucked bcuz of the Balogun situation. Some US players admitted the entire thing fucked with their heads. Belgium probably still wins if corruption wasnt involved but I think this meddling didnt help the US players.

>>157176381
>>157176479
If you want a serious NT project for the next 20 years you need to redo your youth systems from the ground

>>157177638
what do you suggest specifically

>>157176449
He didn't even move to the USA. He's just going to live in London and wait for a good club offer to come in

>>157177623
We lost to the 5-2 back in March
They're just grasping for excuses

>>157176381
Low ambition and fat. Had a run at Southampton, ultimately failed at Spurs. Committed the cardinal sin of then going to Chelsea, where he also failed. Somehow got another big job at PSG and failed at that. He'll drift into obscurity now

>>157177758
>failed at Spurs
Can anyone succeed at Spurs?

>>157177721
we had different players and different formation in that match

>>157176381
Lock in at least 4 years wages

>>157177721
Well idk which coach would be good for the USA then. I thought they looked good during the tournament until that shitty balgun stuff happened and then the players looked shaken a bit against belgium.

>>157177768
He had one of the best squads Tottenham had for years, and still failed. But you've got a point, everyone does ultimately fail at spurs, de zebi will be the next one

>>157177777
Wasted digits

>>157177776
So did they
Same result
Don't act like no one saw this coming

>>157177803
I don’t waste any digits in your mothers ass, all 10 baby

>>157177815
are you another one of those retards who cherrypicks which friendlies are relevant and thinks they're smarter than every sports book?

>>157177794
They looked like that pretty much since he took over
It was pretty recently they even looked halfway decent, but everyone was shielding their eyes like they had forgotten what that Belgium team did to us back in March
I'm willing to let him stay, especially since it's about the players not the coach
Let him integrate some youth guys, add some more tactically flexibility and grit ao we don't look so overwhelmed by bigger teams
But I haven't been impressed by him so far

>>157177830
Friendlies aren't everything but what exactly did you see back in March that wasn't an issue in the knockout game?

>>157177644
That anon is right. Follow Spain or France youth system, or a recent exampel of what to do:Morocco. They invested heavily in youth, and the results have been showing. So for the US that means:

-Soccer can no longer be seen as a cash cow. You do not need expensive fees to participate in europe, soccer is the poor's people sport. You throw two shirts on the ground, that's the goal, and you take whatever kind of ball you have around, doesnt even have to be leather, we used to play with those colored balls with black pentagons all the time, they floated everywhere but that was good enough. So all you really need is a ball that can hold up slight, in truth. Should cost you more than five dollars. That is first and most vital thing, unless you lower the cost of entry, nothing will come out of what needs to follow.
-Early scouting. Everywhere. Need an extensive amount of people on the ground even for the stupidiest match in bumfuck nowhere to watch six years old play footy.
-Hire european staff who worked in academies before, you cant get that knowledge out of thin air as to the type of exercises are needed to develop soccer skills. You will also have to make choices here as to how you envision your future team, like how La Masia has a clear view on how any barca kids should play, like they said before, they dont train strikers or defenders, first they train kids to hold the ball, to control, to dribble, and then they pivot them to attackers/defenders depending on their strengths. Thats one philosophy, pick yours.
-Don't expect to win any time soon. Yes Morocco is doing really well, but the football culture was already ingrained in the morrocan kids a long time ago, they just didnt have the infrastructure. The US mission is quite different, you need not only to support willing youths, you actualy need to create a soccer spirit, which is much harder. ((Most countries with less corruption and US amount of money proprely allocated would be fucking scary))

>>157177868
you were talking up how worried we had to be about australia because they're better than turkey. you don't get to pretend you had any sort of elevated insight

>>157177893
>just gotta change the prevailing taste of the public so that they care enough about the sport to support it financially to subsidize youth development
that's not really an answer at all

>>157176381
>USMNT
What a retarded sovless nickname.

>>157176449
It really doesn't even matter who the coach is. The players aren't good enough for reasons that mostly are outside of what the coach can control.

>>157177933
good enough for what?

>>157177777
Digits of truth. He isn't going to be managing the US by the next WC. This just gives him security so he can afford to wait for the right club opportunity.

>>157177937
For ever making any serious runs in the World Cup or beating any Euro team with a pulse.

>>157177916
Nothing needs to be subsidized. It's just that you americans want to make a penny out of everything. You dont need to subsidy anything if the cost of playing is almost none. My village club was able to get by with 50 euros a year per kid, they didnt get any other fundings. Did we have beautiful grass to play on? No, but that isnt needed to play football.
Now changing the public taste for soccer, that's something you cant do. It has to happen on its own, historicaly the country holding the WC sees an uptick in interest in the game. So basicaly now you wait and see. Did this WC spur something in the american youth? If the answer is no, you still can improve your team by making the sport less money focused as it is currently in your country, but you wont churn as many great talents as you have done in other sports. WIll it be enough to compete with Europe? My guess would be that you will be amongst the country betting on golden generations, instead of a constant churn of high quality profiles

>>157177954
>Nothing needs to be subsidized
Who is going to coach them and develop those skills?
I presume the scouts that you referenced will work for free?
Are you implying that your village club's budget is comparable to the academies that you're referencing?

>>157177950
but inferior versions of the team have beaten euro teams before. obviously it's not happening with regularity, but you're talking about a cap rather than a probability

honestly shocked by this. I thought he was bailing for a euro club team after the world cup.

>>157177990
You are mixing things.
I always mentionned money related to the cost of entry in this process, that's what doesnt need to be subsized. You don't need academies for your entire youth system, no country does that. What you do is your make it cheap to get into soccer, and then you have one/two national academies. Now please don't tell me that shelling dollaridoos for one or two academies for America is a lot or I will laugh.
The coaches outside of academies for local clubs are barely paid, its a side hussle that you do to gain experience, looks good on resumes. If you really want more serious stuff between local clubs and academies, you need club academies. That one is financed by the club itself, so not the public, and those pay the scouts. It's basicaly speculation so you guys should love that, betting on young talents to turn major profits selling them to bigger clubs. If you dont go for club academies, then yes, you will have to shell some more money for scouts. Now thats where you make a decision of how many you put on the ground. That can be a lot, that can be not much, it all depends on what budget considers okay for soccer, so thats entirely up to you. If you are okay with lots of money, you can cover even the smallest town you've ever heard, if not stick to the big cities, you will already get plenty of talents. ((France gets most of their in the ghettos, for example. Do the same.))

>>157178072
my point is that everything either requires subsidy (which isn't possible because there's not a lot of revenue due to lack of interest), or simply different culture. Kids aren't playing casually for local clubs or for fun on their own, it's not part of the culture. That leaves a massive gap in skill development that's not going to be addressed by anything reasonable. There's stuff that could be improved, but there's no top-down initiative that's going to change anything

>>157178072
and I didn't mean public subsidies. I meant subsidies from professional teams. Our pro teams already have academies, but they are limited in scope because our pro teams don't generate a lot of cash flow because they aren't getting too much interest outside of a couple of them

>>157177893
u.s. youth sports is pay to play. that's not going to be easy to fix. even the sports we actually care bout are now seeing the effects where they are starting to become nepo leagues.

>>157178065
He's not got a great reputation in europe anymore, so he'd basically be looking at clubs below the elite, maybe an italian club. A hard job, versus chilling in the US getting fat, beating shitty central american teams. Its the obvious choice to stay with the US.

>>157177954
>>157178072
There are cultural, economic, and geographical reasons the things you are saying will never work in America and you don't seem to understand them at all. This is not your small densley populated European country with an easy climate and over a century of people loving the sport.

>>157178119
You do not know that. The effect of holding a WC are measured years later when kids growing up watching it pick up the sport. Its the kind of statement you will be able to make at best in two years time. If, by then, nothing has changed in your youth's interest in the sport, then I will agree.
The best example is Japan who barely cared about the sport before their WC and now it's one of the most popular sport over there.
But what I am saying is that, for this bear any frutis, if there is truly an uptick in the sport's interest, you must be ready for it, prepare the road for the kids, and the first condition to that is to make your local clubs dirt cheap to get into. Not the four dollars figures I see parents talking about, which is stupid

>>157178191
you know that we hosted before, right?

>>157177893
First of all, Morocco didn't do jack shit. Most of their players came from outside Morocco. They didn't make Hakimi and Diaz, Spain forged them. We've been recruiting dual nationals for years but apparently we haven't had enough servicemen knock up slutty Germam broads to produce a world class team

Second of all, bad misunderstanding of the American soccer scene. We have free to play academies, and even cheap soccer teams for kids to play on
Problem isn't that, it's having enough professional environments. We've got 50 in this country, you probably have one within a five mile drive of your house
These pay to play clubs they complain about aren't really anything than rich kid extracurricular activities for college (they usually advertise base on that fact). They weren't ever supposed to be the main developer of talent.
The issue is being fixed. You're right: it's taken time. US soccer is no longer relying on these clubs to develop players. 16 of the 26 players in the US team came from MLS academies; most of the rest were overseas or too old to play in one of these academies. Pulisic is probably the last usmnt player to not be from a mls or usl academy

>>157177900
How do you know what I was thinking? It's an anonymous board
I definitely don't remember thinking Turkey was worse than Australia and I was shocked Turkey was eliminated so quickly.

>>157178191
>the first condition to that is to make your local clubs dirt cheap to get into. Not the four dollars figures I see parents talking about, which is stupid
The "local club" is a sever hours long drive away for many people. The figures you are talking about seeing families spend is largely for travel teams. Due to the size of the country and the low popularity of the sport, it involves a lot of travel to face other competitive teams. It costs very little to sign your kid up for a local rec league or play for their middle school or high school teams.

>>157178241
guess it was the guy who posts exactly like you then

>>157178191
>The effect of holding a WC are measured years later when kids growing up watching it pick up the sport. Its the kind of statement you will be able to make at best in two years time. If, by then, nothing has changed in your youth's interest in the sport, then I will agree.
The US already hosted the world cup in 1994, 8 years before Japan did and 32 years before this past one, and nothing changed. The interest is just not there.

>>157176381
Wouldn't he be better at the women's team since it seems that American women actually care about the sport?

>>157178252
>nothing changed
i'm not sure that's exactly true. We now have our first ever sustainable soccer league and a few leagues below that one. and the teams have academies now. That's dramatically different from how things were in 1993. Though there's still a monstrous gulf to the large nations that take it seriously and it's part of the culture

>>157177828
Idgi.. are you AI?

>>157176381
It doesn't matter, the players are mediocre

>>157178320
We are a men's soccer country now
Everyone knows that the women's team will get BTFO in the World Cup because the rest of the world caught up

>>157178119
>Kids aren't playing casually for local clubs or for fun on their own, it's not part of the culture.
Why can't American soccer fans fix this for their kids?

>>157178181
It worked for Brazil... at least until we became mid

>>157177893
Pay to play is the reality in all American youth sports, unfortunately it's not going anywhere.

>>157177893
Here's the thing. There are soccer fields all over the United States, most of them pretty nice. There is a store in every city that sells quality soccer balls, shoes, and gear. If kids wanted to get together and play soccer (like they do in other countries) they absolutely could at any time. The fact is, they don't do it....because they don't give a shit about soccer. You could bring in the best instructors, the best teachers and taticians. It won't matter. The elite male athletes are done playing soccer by age 12 and have moved onto another sport, or quit playing sports. Quality development of youth soccer in the US is never going to happen, not because of lack of money. And there is never going to be some "magical start making them care" cure. Even if by some miracle we won the World Cup this year, it wouldn't have mattered a month later. We will always be a 2nd/3rd tier soccer nation.

>>157177893
Greentext this shit dude, I can't read it without the green font

>>157176381
>usmnt
>not usa
You faggots need to fuck off with this.

>>157176449
Nah you're right. He's absolutely a good coach based on how he had us dominate the shit teams but we can't graduate to the next level of going head to head with the elite national teams until we get better players. I still think we need him to overperform, we need to make a Copa America semifinal like in 2016.

>>157177893
This is the last thing America needs because they only think a sport has value if it costs an astronomical amount to participate in at youth level.
Also their kids see potential soccer earnings, even at the highest levels of European football, as chump change compared to the NFL, NBA etc. Rightly too, imagine somebody like Mahomes getting out of bed for Mbappe's wages lol.

>>157179894
That's the wrong way to look at it. The average NFL player is not getting paid like Mahomes, they are scraping by getting raped by their agents, taxes (interstate is a bitch) and so on. An average European player in a top 5 league probably makes a bit more than the average NFL player, or the difference is not that big.

>>157180473
The average EPL player and the average nfl player makes about $5.2 million a year

>>157180652
Well there you go, the difference is miniscule at best. So it's not really a matter of money but culture and our nogs currently do not prioritize soccer like they do with basketball and football

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>league where old stars past their prime still look good
>national team is shit
truly a mystery

>>157180686
tbf our starting xi are players that dont play in mlels, they're just average players at the euro club level. But you are right that mlels is shit and they basically bring down our potential in the sport by not doing things properly like everyone else.

>>157176381
>had a chance to win 3 trophies since joining the usmnt
>copa america, nations league and the gold
>got grouped at copa, finished 4th at the nations league ending the win streak and lost the gold cup final
>finished the same place USA always finish in the world cup but in a much more embarrassing way than usual (partially not his fault)
I feel like he's escaping rightful fraud call outs. US fans have crucified other coaches for less

>>157180866
he wasnt here for copa, gold cup squad was fucked since pulisic mckennie and musah all wanted to ignore it (the reason why musah was iced for good), nations league is probably a fair criticism. But also keep in mind that everyone knew he was just testing players in multiple friendlies trying to prep for the wc and he had to rebuild the team mentality after berhalter fucked everything up. The round of 16 exit was painful but we did win a knockout round when down to 10 men so that's why it's not a catastrophe. Belgium are a good team and our players all choked there really isnt much you can do tactically to prepare

>>157180866
No one gives a shit about nations league or gold cup
Also he wasn't the coach for copa

>>157180927
There's no need for us to send good players to the gold cup

>>157177768
big ange. Mourihno also came close

>>157180966
Ange finished 17th that year

>>157180948
poch was desperate for a good gold cup squad because he wanted to test the good americans in a tournament setting which is why he lost his shit in the media and complained about some players not caring about it last year. I also think poch caring about gc was a combination of many things like him not understanding that concacaf prioritizes wc qualifiers and nations league over gc, the fact that mls uses gc as marketing with the usmnt so we send c teams, and him having so few serious games to prep for wc.

>>157180932
You have to give some shit about them. You can't just only ever turn up with your A team at the world cup or copa america and expect to ever get pass where you always stumble with a team that never plays together. Mexico gives a shit somewhat and they had a better round of 16 showing against a semi finalist

>>157179007
This pretty much sums it up. Not sure why it's so hard for non-Americans to understand. It's never been a problem of access or funding here, we just fundamentally don't like soccer very much compared to other sports. We have 250 years of revealed preference as a society to prove it. The development pipeline that does exist is a pay-for-play system for trust-fund kids precisely *because* there is no overwhelming grassroots demand for anything better. Also, at this point, the sports that are actually popular here would have a vested interest in preventing soccer from muscling in on their domestic talent pool if it ever came to that.

>>157181006
Won a european trophy though, counts as a success. Might be the only trophy they'll have for decades

>>157180673
And soccer is even more doomed now that kids are opnely being paid millions to play football and basketball in college before they even make the pros. Hell, there are some states that have even allowed high school athletes to get NIL money. There is no financial incentive for men to play soccer in America, that's why it only attracts anchor babies/immigrants from soccer-playing cultures and richfags who weren't good enough to play real sports.

>>157176449
He's a better coach than we deserve

>>157177933
Yeah most of our homegrown players are a bunch of rich soccer kids that probably don't take sports that seriously as a pro from Argentina. Probably clapping for the other team that beats them 2 minutes before the game ends and after the game saying "At least we had fun". Our soccer team are literally the london silly nannies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBQiaR4h8ME

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>>157180686
America is never going to overcome the fact that all our best athletes play other sports. "Imagine if we really cared" is a bit of a meme but there's some truth to it too. All the guys we have who would be truly elite soccer players are point guards or power forwards in the NBA, or tight ends and receivers and quarterbacks in the NFL, or short stops and outfielders in MLB, or even a big chunk of hockey players in the NHL.

The US has too many other powerful sports leagues that hoover up our best athletic talent, and soccer is a latecomer that's not ingrained in American sports culture like it is in Europe and South America. Soccer gets the dregs of US sporting talent, even at the World Cup level.

>>157181022
MLS doesn't use the gold cup for marketing
Hell the tournament being in the summer causing the league to lose a ton of players every other year is one of the reasons they're switching to the new calendar
They don't need to have this shit every other year

>>157181029
>You have to give some shit about them.
Nope
>You can't just only ever turn up with your A team at the world cup or copa america and expect to ever get pass where you always stumble with a team that never plays together.
Do yuros or South American teams suffer from not having extra tournaments?
>Mexico gives a shit somewhat and they had a better round of 16 showing against a semi finalist
They were playing at altitude

>>157181306
>Do yuros or South American teams suffer from not having extra tournaments?
Euros and south Americans aren't gimping themselves by never playing their best players in their regional tournaments. You don't see spain sending a B team to play their nations league games because its not the euros or world cup. south americans aren't only playing their youth teams in qualifiers because its not the copa. How can you expect your team to get better if they are never playing together? A month long tournament format is way better for development and tactic adoption than two one off friendlies and a week of training

>>157181380
Spain isn't playing an extra month of games in the nations league
We did send an A team to the nations league because it was more convenient put i don't think playing Guatemala is going to help us beat Belgium in 2030

>>157181285
>MLS doesn't use the gold cup for marketing
they absolutely do. We even have unofficial friendlies at the start of the year for mls players to be showcased. But your point about the gc is correct it should stop being every 2 years and move to every 4 year cycle like copa and euros and it should be expanded to include south american teams but on an odd year so that it doesnt conflict with copa or euros and south american teams can send in some good squads to play in our tournament.

>>157181461
US Soccer has had camp cupcake longer than MLS has been around. A lot of federations have camps outside fifa windows. They only use mostly mls guys because outside the windows teams don't have to release players
Fuck you and your retarded takes. Idk why American soccer is nothing but retarded schizos

>>157181380
We send our best players for Nations League because it's aligned with the European calendar and it's an official competition. We stopped giving a fuck about the Gold Cup because Concacaf's execs made it into a joke and treat it as a cash cow instead of a serious tournament that should only be played once a cycle not twice.

>>157181459
The extra month of games part was about explaining the benefits of playing your A team in a cup setting not spain. Spain has the euros for that which they also take seriously. Spain also plays their group stage nations league games which helps with getting to know your squad.
> i don't think playing Guatemala is going to help us beat Belgium in 2030
Its not about the quality of the opponents its about actually having the time to coach and train your team to play the way you want them to play at the best of their ability. Playing friendlies against afc and caf with the occasional eufa and conmebol friendly throughout the entire qualifying cycle didn't help you beat belgium either. The one off games aren't enough for poch to do what he can do with this team to the max of his potential. You have them for a week and then club football just undoes everything because they spend more time at their club

>>157181551
Gold cup has never been a serious competition
Hell they used to invite the brazil u23 team to come and kick our asses

>>157181569
So Spain uses regular windows and the even year tournament is what you're saying?

Mexico didn't give a shit about the gold cup until recently. The result: out in the round of 16, as usual

If anything we should use the gold cup as prep for the Olympics

>>157181530
why so assmad about this? It's an open secret that us soccer sucks mls dick and mls guys run us soccer in the board why pretend this shit isnt obvious? We dont need camp cupcake games in the first place we only have that stupid friendly and another unofficial friendly in april to play mexico's liga mx c team as excuses for tv money and to showcase mls players.

>>157181638
Your ignorance annoys me
We haven't played Mexico outside the normal window since 2023
You clearly don't know much of anything

I could talk about this a lot... How come the world's best nation at sports, economical center of the world, etc. is shit at the most popular sport in Earth? Will they ever get better?

I do think they just might actually. Now on certain things I am very ignorant to what the paper or research doesn't tell me.
There is a myth though, that US football...soccer gets the dregs of what NFL, NBA, etc didn't want. Completely unknown on the tactical, mind, personality level but on the physical, athletic level it's actually quite wrong. US players at the World Cup have equal if not a bit more stamina and running (the physical hard facts you could say) to UEFA players.

I believe the following. it might be a problem of grassroots interests? Possibly. Yeah. Most likely?
I believe it's more a lack of serious competition, that leads to a lack of positioning and scanning practice. Remember that football is played more off the ball, more happens outside of it. That makes Messi a great player, the very best btw.

Coaching, poor coaching and poor strategy. There should be more coaching and a better level of managers. The Belgium game showed naivete again, same as the Netherlands game did. You've seen the webms. The athletic capital is there for QF. The strategy and scanning, the decision making keeps piling up to not meeting that potential.
Playing more conmebol teams would help a lot. You saw how unprepared France was against Paraguay, if not for the penalty thanks to foul on Mbopi they could have made it to their strategy, penalties. Playing better teams in conmebol, sending players early to get minutes to Europe.
Not enough diaspora compared to Morocco, those guys have a shit ton of players to pick from. If the US had the same amount of kids playing in Germany, Netherlands, etc they could have a Moroccoteam. Player on Germany NT, goal scorer on Curacao, Nathaniel Brown is a dual national. US-Germany. Picked Germany and is going to Bayern, so theres some material now and later

>>157181673
Even having stars and being a powerful football nation with a good or decent team doesn't earn you a win if you have poor managers. See Argentina before Scaloni. They were getting fucked a lot, a final against Germany but then lost and of those years iirc that's one of the best things.

Croatia constantly punches far above what it should, same for Morocco. (who I believe should win or WILL win one of the next 3 world cups just by statistics and human capital as a nation)

See England and it's managers, on paper they should win stuff they keep losing. Premier league, full of talent and one of the best leagues in the world for competition, no English manager has won it in a good while. Poor managers, poor strategy, poor results, poor culture.

Spain has say, La Masia and their integrated system, they know there will be harmony on the NT. Statistically they were going to win and the fact they won sort of leads me to think Germany is winning one of the next 2 worlds. But moving from that...if the US ever truly gets better I do see them winning a world cup (competition remaining you know what we mean by that - not taking into account FIFA-UEFA classes as of today)....around.
If theres an actual improvement, not the ideal one but even just tiny increments that add up, mid century. If things remain the same...later to never. Mexico and Canada are on far worse terms and trends, if any North American nations will win it it's the US...eventually with some work. I don't see a new winner on the continent at all. Football is headed to Europe and Africa for new winners.

I just dont see another nation in Americas with the chance to ever win the WC. Argentina will go through a rough rebuilding but they will likely be ok, even if their league is suffering from a decay in level. Love the Brazil league but they really need to do a heavy rework I am not sure they will do it. Football for Brazil looks dar worse than for Argentina post Messi.so who else is there? Colombia? No way. Uruguay? Has beens. The Hungary of south America. Costa Rica did a great attempt but it's dead now. So yes, the US is the only other nation in America with long term potential to win the WC with some rebuilding and long term thinking.

Africa will have Morocco "soon" then likely one day Senegal, Ivory Coast maybe? Not sure on that one.
UEFA side, England needs way better managers so kind of same issue. England is spiritually having the same issue as Netherlands, always tiny mistakes that add up.

The US has like what? Four stars with the women's team, they had a 20 year headstart and now the rest of female football is catching up but still, that's something, that proves something. Not directly nor a perfect analog but something I think.

Financial incentives to be a football nation (having it be bigger) absolutely, the WC this year made a lot of cash. I think this Uefa-fifa deal is a perfect example of American money and investors seeing how lucrative it can be...I think. Balogun's red card decision...it was better for betting sites and money that the US won against Belgium so at least you could make the cynical argument that they will at least get a bit better thanks to possible earning potential or corpos wanting an expanding market

>>157181938
>England needs way better managers
England needs way better players. They've scapegoated and fired the manager every time they lose for decades. Then their retarded fans/media can't understand why every new manager they hire goes ultra-conservative and immediately parks the bus whenever they score a goal. It's because they're paralyzed by fear of taking any risks due to the toxic combination of overrated coddled players who are worse than the best teams' rosters, intense media/fan pressure, and nonexistent job security.

>>157182068
You might be right. I did overlook that problem a bit. Regarding Tuchel I think his team actually turned cowardly, the defense subs came in wag later after he tried to get them to attack, if I am remembering that correctly. I guess that does add to the case against them winning a world cup soon.

I do agree, yes...hmmm
Well what do YOU think about your team? Culture and development?

>>157176381
where's David Smough

>>157177916
That's also not what he said

>>157176416
easy job, good money and good perks. a champions league team manager position is a busy life consuming job. USNMT coach is flying around the USA in a gulfstream, staying in 5 star hotels and watching 2 football games in person a week.
it is semi-retirement.

>>157176381
>>157176449
>not playing Pulisic as a 10 or false 9

They're not good enough, and the only thing that would ameliorate this at their level is incessant drilling structured defense. Can't cargo cult en vogue possession build up with split centerbacks and that bungling keeper with a back 3 [and not 5]. USMNT should be aiming for Klopp on steroids and transition maxxing with pace merchants and Italian defenders doing as much legal injury damage as possible on challenges with hockey-esque targeted foul circulation on opposition top players.

>>157186405
Any American who mentions f*lse 9 again deserves the electric chair

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False 9 is not fucking shorthand for a player who isn't a conventional striker to play as a striker

It is specifically playing a withdrawn center forward, usually done by a player who usually isn't a center forward, but it doesn't mean any non-center forward playing center forward is automatically playing a false 9. Hell you can play Lewandowski or Haaland as false 9. It would be dumb but it's possible

Pulisic played as a pressing 9 several times for the US, including after Balogun had has red against Bosnia

>>157176449
That game against Paraguay was something else, but I don't know if it was because Paraguay was shitting their pants or USA got fueled by their patriotism.

Anyway, they really got fucked mentally with the Balogun fiasco, they delivered their worst match in the most important match.

>>157186650
I mean Paragay did alright vs Germany and France defensively speaking, so it's not like they're a complete joke

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>>157176479
If Christian "pussy-ass bitch" Pulisic is on the team again I give up.

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>>157177541
Congratulations on your silver medal, bitch

>>157176449
He's not. For US someone like Milito (from Chivas Mexico) is better but they'll never admit it.

>>157190504
>another Argie
How would he be different?

>>157190504
>Mexican rating literally who shitters from ligma
Please stop embarrassing us bro

USA will improve at football, it's just a very slow process. You literally have to wait like 16 years to see the results of any reforms.

>>157181127
JAJAJAJAJA, mejor quedate jugando beisbol

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>>157189381
>Congratulations on your silver medal, bitch

>>157191669
thats what they said 32 years ago

>>157176381
>was completely unprepared for belgium not jobbing to us
i guess if there's literally no one else out there sure why not

>>157193548
We're the only country that cares about women's soccer at all and they still lose like half the time. They should have to pay the men so they can be competitive too.

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>>157193548
Still butthurt, poorfags?

>>157191669
>mls and american soccer
>reforms
lol, lmao even

>>157195957
Do you only count pro/rel as reforms?

>>157198463
You have to understand that it's impossible to build a legitimate fanbase without pro/rel, because there are no stakes whatsoever in the league and no punishment for playing like complete shit. Who wants to watch that boring crap?

In our league, there used to be decent pro/rel rules which meant even the big teams could be relegated (in fact, it happened to one of our two biggest clubs) but after that fiasco there were a LOT of retarded changes so that would never happen again and now the Primera División has 30 teams instead of 20 AND it went from 4 to 2 relegations, so it's straight up impossible for any serious team to be relegated because there are too many shitters in the league. So now, the level of our league keeps going down since clubs keep selling their good players to Europe ASAP since as long as they stay in the Primera División their fans will keep watching them anyway.

>>157198556
>You have to understand that it's impossible to build a legitimate fanbase without pro/rel
Seems like correlation without causation

>>157198710
What's the point in being a fan of a team in a league without pro/rel? If your team wins, they stay in the league, if your team loses, they stay in the league, what's at stake?

>>157198734
Is that the only reason you can pull for a team? To stay in the league?

>>157198754
A league without pro/rel doesn't have the same tension as one with pro/rel, when the 2nd place team and the 20th place team get the same result, not being 1st place, it removes the fight to not be relegated that often takes place among the lower teams even late into the season when they have no chance of getting 1st place. Some American teams even tank to get 1st draft picks, losing on purpose just kills the competition.

>>157198754
No, the biggest motivation is rooting for the local team of your town/city. Hoping for them to reach the highest division of your national league is one of the main attractions for fans outside the big cities. This motivates fans to get involved with the club and makes every single match far more important overall, so you also get more consistent watchers + more stadium attendance, which also will inevitably breed a club culture that gives it identity which can then be built into a brand or cultural staple.

This is obviously not going to happen in America so pro/rel is the second best thing available.

>>157198784
So you only pull for your local team not out of pride but the exciting possibility of staying in the league and literal nothing else?

>>157198807
Why would you even want to be in a system that doesn't allow your club to have a path to glory? For many small teams yes it's unrealistic. But without the possibility of promotion, you don't even get to dream about it.

>>157198820
Being American you should know full well that survival here doesn't mean staying in the league the team operations survival
How many fucking leagues and teams do we habe to go through?

>>157198807
Sports is entertainment, part of the entertainment is in the competition to win. Pro/rel system makes it so that teams play as hard in the very last match of the season as they do in the first match, they don't stop trying to win just because 1st place has slipped out of their reach. Often times the games that the teams at risk of relegation play at the end of the season are even more entertaining than the games that the 1st place team plays, because the at risk teams are fighting to avoid relegation, while the 1st place team had all but won and takes it easy.

>>157198864
Look I understand that's how your leagues work, but it's not a prerequisite for enjoying a sports league

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>>157176381
15 years really changes how one looks huh

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>>157195801
>He couldn't win against Turkey
>He couldn't win against fucking Belgium

stick to baseball next time

>>157199549
4-1

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>>157199591
Thanks for the reminder

>>157199613
How embarrassing is it to lose to that team by the same scoreline

>>157198463
yes because without it there's nothing to grow the rest of american soccer with you retard. There's no point to supporting your lower division grassroots team or seeing that grow bigger if nothing is on the line. Our soccer pyramid is beyond fucked right now with usl corporatism and mls lording over everyone else leading to the current environment of american soccer where despite having one of the biggest soccer player populations in the entire world we dont produce enough international standard professionals. Clubs go out of business all the time now with entire leagues banding and disbanding in a few years and you shills pretend its everyone else's fault but mls holding the pyramid hostage.

>>157199714
You can't say it's MLS's fault when American soccer history is a graveyard full of failed league experiments dating way back before MLS was even dreamed of
Hell MLS had like 3 votes on whether the league should be disbanded itself
It's the first long term success story in American soccer
So why are we acting like we need a pyramid? Because then we'd look like Europe? A place where the sport has been popular for more than a few decades?

>>157176381
Boo. Give us pep

>>157199779
>So why are we acting like we need a pyramid?
Its the only way to grow the sport professionally. Young footballers get fed through the football pyramid, with the best usually ascending to the top. Without that pyramid, you're left with: 20mls teams, 22 players on each team, that's 440 places, half of which are taken by foreign players, so only 220 professional spots for American players, in a country of more than 340 million people.

>>157199904
Putting the cart before the horse here
I understand the desire, but everyone seems to think there's unlimited money to be spent here and no need to worry about ROI
Do you know how dilapidated most USL teams are right now compared to MLS? Would take at least a $100 million to get most of them to the bare minimum standards that DI soccer has. I know this because USL is attempting to start up a DI league and they've gotten 4 teams to sign up

>>157199779
>So why are we acting like we need a pyramid?
Why do mls retards like you think you're the only league that deserves to survive in american soccer and that you're the only league that needs to be a closed off division 1 league with no domestic competition? Answer that without sucking corporation balls

>>157199978
I think it's suicidal to go full open system considering how rocky maintaining a professional league in this country is
Stop looking at England and thinking that's how it would be over here
It's not
Interest in soccer is too sparse to think like that

>>157193694
Japan started out of scratch in the 1990s and now Japanese players are everywhere in Europe

>>157200061
>started out of scratch
It was just a reorganization of an existing league Nearly every team in the system in between 80-100 years old

>>157200061
Soccer is also their 2nd most popular sport and growing

>>157200085
>>157200158
excuses. They professionalized their league at the same time that mls came into the fold and they have a better player production pipeline despite far less money invested in the J league pyramid

>>157200953
The point was it wasn't from scratch
Japan already had a soccer culture to build from
There really wasn't one in the US at that point in time
They had to build to get up to where Japan was in 93

>>157198556
>>157198734
>>157198784
>>157198799
>muh pro/rel
I guess this is just one of those things the American mind cannot comprehend. How is winning the league's championship not motivation enough?

>>157177828
Digits are fingers

>>157201192
>How is winning the league's championship not motivation enough?
Because your teams are franchises, corporations. What do they care if they win the league as long as their games still sell out seats, they get their share of tv deals, and they get 1st draft picks so that they can maintain the illusion of "this year is our year".

And another thing, a lack of pro/rel just permanently locks out teams from competing, there's no chance of a local team outside of the big leagues from ever getting promoted, so what do fans do in a city without any teams from the big leagues do? Support a team far away from them without any connection to their homes? Their cities will lack the sporting culture and history of the big leagues, no rivalries with other cities will be formed.

>>157201305
>Because your teams are franchises, corporations.
Aren't all European teams owned by Saudi oil conglomerates now? What's the difference? Some of our teams are actually owned by the same families that started them decades ago.
And baseball literally does not have this problem, with its several tiers of minor league teams. People living in the smaller cities with those teams still support them because it's their team and they're kind of proud to be a stopping point on some kid's way to the top. Same idea except it's just individual players getting promoted.

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>>157201350
>Aren't all European teams owned by Saudi oil conglomerates now?
Not all, but sadly a lot. I don't support clubs that sold out to oil sheikhs and other evil billionaires.
>they're kind of proud to be a stopping point on some kid's way to the top.
That's loser mentality. Why don't those people want THEIR teams to be at the top? Why are the fans in those smaller cities content on signing away their best players to richer teams who locked them out of the big leagues that don't have pro/rel?

Look at pic related, imagine you were a Swansea fan in 1977, your team is in the 4th tier of the English pyramid, 3 entire levels below the big league. 5 years later, your team is in the big league, shooting up past tiers 3 and 2 to compete against the biggest teams in the pyramid, you're confident that this year you're going to be the top of the country(England, even though Swansea is from Wales, it's complicated). Imagine how ecstatic you and other fans would feel to have supported your team all the way to the top. Your city that was barely on the radar to fans of the big league team is suddenly being looked at as a threat, and it's because of the hard work of your team and the support of their fans. You can't have such a story in leagues without pro/rel.

>>157201474
>That's loser mentality.
The loser mentality is having promotion dangled in front of your face just for Manchester United or Chelsea to win again. Where is Leicester City now? Is the last time anything like that happened really 40 years ago? Doesn't seem often enough to be a real selling point.
>Why don't those people want THEIR teams to be at the top?
It's just different here. The point I'm making is that this is not the reason why soccer is the 5th sport. In southern cities/regions with both an NFL and a D1 college team, the college team is often more popular. What you saw during USA's World Cup matches was actually more a reflection of college football culture than anything that will ever happen at a pro soccer game.
Maybe this sport in particular lends itself to that way of doing things but the lack of it has not been a problem for fans of any other sport here. Soccer is unpopular because it's seen as eurofaggot shit, which is ironically also the reason MLS redditmod trannies like it. If anything the rapid expansion of MLS full of new teams with names such as "City FC" and "SC City" is making things worse. Giving sub-50k suburbs a team isn't going to change anything.

>>157201474
If you were an American soccer fan in 1977 pro soccer is about to die again for the umpteenth time

>>157201604
>host the best world cup ever
>mls dies
who has more fun than us

the amerigolems completely shit the bed that one last game. they had the entire country on their side just to get their shit pushed in. sad! they were the worst of the 3 CUM

>>157176381
good. hiring an mlshit coach is going backwards we should at least keep him for 2 years for the copa america

>>157203113
Yeah if we hired a MLS coach we might have crashed out in the round of 16 again

>>157203227
An MLelSoy coach got raped by Panama in a Copa America group stage.

>>157203342
And then poch got raped by Panama in the nations league

>>157203227
nigga no one cares about your berhalter hes fired and gone for good get over it

>>157203227
hello niGGGer

>>157176381
…what does he do during the years of downtime?

>>157203412
>>157203425
I don't give a shit about mls
You fags got your big foreign coach
And what did that get us? Probably the most embarrassing loss in the history of US soccer at the world cup unless you count the 5-1 loss to czechoslovakia in 90
Considering his embarrassing losses in the nations league and subpar gold cup, can't say the program has moved leaps and bounds since his hire

>>157203535
That had nothing to do with the coach that was trump motivating the other team, blame that retard.

>>157204697
So losing 5-2 to them back in March
That was legitimate?

>>157198784
We have playoffs m7

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>>157176381
>USMNT
Kys chud OP

>>157181461
>rant about SUM for years
>forget to change your script when the old premise disintegrates

>>157177600
no need to make cute new names for the jeet, "canuck" is cucked enough and something they are very proud of

canada + __???__ = canuck
simple as

A lot of people have it backwards. Soccer in the US isn't a rich kid sport because poor kids can't afford to play. As others have mentioned, youth soccer leagues are usually very cheap and kids as young as 12 can play for their middle school and then high school teams essentially for free.

Soccer is a rich kid sport because only rich kids ever dream of being a star soccer player above a star football, baseball, basketball, or even hockey player in the US. I'm sure there are plenty of first generation American kids that might grow up thinking that for a time because of their parents' interest, but it's pretty hard to maintain that goal when all of your peers are massive fans of different sports. Lots of our top athletes, even the ones that grew up poor, played soccer. They just gave it up when they had to focus on the sport they were most passionate about.

>>157204895
why don't you guys collab football programs with the south americans? you guys have the infrastructure, nutrition, physio programs, while brazilians, argentians, paraguayians, etc have the coaching and player talent. have an exchange if you will, for world class playing and coaching experience for what these poorer countries are looking for