>>157179261
Bro give it up no one cares about mls

>>157179261
The current calender is better, most of the country gets too cold for a winter/euro calender

>>157179261
Almost all MLS fans want to keep the current schedule. Summer Saturday night games are the best

>>157179261
This won't make more people watch soccer. In fact, they'll watch it less because it clashes with football

>>157179261
But the players are all dogshit.

>>157179345
Literally this, the only thing they have to compete with now is baseball. They’ll also have to compete with basketball and hockey now.

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>>157179261
Unlike casual hobbies like baseball, handegg and golf, football requires a lifetime of intense conditioning and training. You can't suddenly become relevant without restructuring your entire pipeline.

>>157179261
MLS is a WNBA-tier joke where the stands at every game are filled to 20% capacity by morbidly obese Reddit moderators taking up two seats at a time and literal trannies. None of them actually like sports, all of them are only there to signal that they're devoted shitlibs who hate real American culture. That's all it's ever going to be. Amd prostrating themselves even harder to le glorious Yurop will only embolden their spiteful mutant "fanbase" even more while driving normal people that much further away.

Idk why they don't just have Apertura and Clausura instead of winter scheduling

>>157179382
>compete with hockey
Lol
Lmao even

Hockey competes with college lacrosse for viewers. MLS should be okay, but compared to NBA though..

>>157179261
This is the move. Most of the MLS watchers don't care about NFL anyway. Too much hitting for them. If only every other game was not on Apple TV, the network for women (check the stats before you reply). Can't even watch the All Star game tonight.

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>>157179523
Okay and? Sorry Canada sucks at hockey but NHL ratings have been sinking and you know this. That being said MLS is shit anyway why watch that when better leagues exist

>>157179557
>Canada sucks at hockey
We are the most decorated country in the sport

I am sorry that you cant cope with the sctual reality that mls has worse ratings and social media following than even thr NHL in America

>>157179594
>most decorated
Lmao fag really pulled that cope when its been over 30 years since you won. I accept your concession. Hockey will drop down to our 5th watched sport and you still won't get the cup kwab

based, another league conquered by based salary cap chads

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>>157179631
>over 30 years since we have won
We have won a lot in the last 30 years

>5th most popular sport
We are talking about the mls not soccer. Mls is less popular than thr NHL and soccer is closer to hockey in america than basketball or baseball

But yeah soccer probably will be your #1 sport in ten years as you ethnically replace yojr population with spics

>>157179504
Retard

>>157179594
>We are the most decorated country in the sport
you hold 0 golds right now
every current champion is not-canada

>>157179664
>t. cricket nation

>>157179805
Cricket is neither a popular nor relevant sport in canada meanwhile mexico regularly plays home soccer games in the usa

>They averaged 250k viewers per game last year
That's so bad it would be cancelled on almost every channel.

>>157179261
No one wants to watch MLelSoy with you, Doyle.

>>157179405
....so people like you

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>>157179405
>MLS is a WNBA-tier joke where the stands at every game are filled to 20% capacity by morbidly obese Reddit moderators
You joke but regular american sports fans point this out too

>>157179652
MLS has always had a salary cap, they are just raising it

>>157179294
usl ledditor seething

>>157179261
>european calander
Will directly compete with the NFL and NBA ranking viewership. Not everything needs to be a copy of eurosharts

>>157181487
I mean the mls playoffs compete with the nfl season as of now

>>157179261
it means 1/3 of your teams will play when it's snowing a lot? kek rip

>>157179345
and basketball, and hockey
at least in the summer they only compete with baseball

>>157181545
not the NFL playoffs

>>157184804
They'll be on break during those

>>157179395
I unironically believe that the yanks can have that restructure done within 2 or 3 years. Besides, a stronger NA Football league is much healthier for the sport.

>>157179261
SPL objectively mogs your retirement home of a league in every measurable aspect.

I just don't think you guys have enough redditors for the MLS to grow

>>157184964
>Including a random 2 month break in your season
How profoundly retarded.

>>157186114
It's stupid but also not uncommon in Europe
Although the length is really only matched in like Russia

>>157186182
They do like 2 week breaks, not 2 month breaks.

>>157186472
I know what's why I said no one outside Russia and like Ukraine do winter breaks like that

>>157179405
Its mostly for US kids to get to go to pro soccer games and watch pro soccer. My 11 yr old doesnt understand its not a good product and he always has fun at th games and that does matter and is why savannah banmas will eventually pass MLB in popularity

>>157179298
Cant wait for those games in Minnesota in January!

>>157179405
>the stands at every game are filled to 20% capacity
avg attendance is 22k though

>>157185010
>retirement home of a league
You don't know what you're talking about

>>157179261
>retirement league that pays for 50 yo Messi and 40 yo Lewandowski
No one cares lil bro

>>157190067
MLS isn't a retirement league

I was interested in MLS until I learned that it's a kiddie league where all the teams IPs are legally owned by the controlling MLS company and team owners just enter licensing deals and become minority stakeholders in the league company in order to play. There's no actual competition taking place there, it's just centralised theatre. It's the fakest and most cursed model I've ever seen. I didn't realise how many US sports are like this. First time I remember seeing something like this was when XFL got rebooted.

>>157190299
It's just a legalese thing to help fend off the league from going belly up
Idk if you know this but Amwrican soccer leagues have a history of folding

>>157179594
Can'tnadians have yet to see any Can'tnadian team win a gold medal in 4K. Let's not embarrass you further by bringing up the Stanley Cup's 33 year American winning streak. Can'tnadians are the Dallas Cowboys of hockey where they've been ass when the rest of the teams caught up as far as organization and scouting

>>157190299
All the sporting decisions are made by the clubs. Who cares if it's single entity or not.

>>157190346
Swim back

USL did even worse capitalizing on the world cup than MLS.

>>157190690
It's also just as gay as MLS and does worse player development so they're not even really contributing to the national team pool

>>157190690
usl is the pyramid scheme haters think mls is lol.
the clubs literally have to pay the league

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>>157190924
I just saw this lel

>>157190936
Galaxy did this with Zlatan

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>>157190650
Back to Delhi

They need to hire another washed up euro like Beckham or messi

>>157190216
It's a retirement league doyle

>>157190299
Yeah that's fair criticism. Our leagues are entertainment and classified as such under US law so thats why mls is going to be far behind Europe until that changes.

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>>157192076
No, it's not. You don't know anything about the league. There are a couple big name old guys but not a significant amount. The league is currently driven by young players entering their prime.

>>157179261
Every season yall post shit like this like mls is catching up very very soon to the best leagues itw and then nothing happens and then yall go back to saying mls is not ready mls needs another 4 years another 10 years another 3 decades before its ready to explode. Messi was gonna blow up mls to the next level that didnt happen and now this calendar shift which will make it compete with nfl playoffs will be the one thing that makes it a top league. Just stop with the cope already niggas

>going up to 30 million

Holy shit I didn't realize how poor the MLS was. Even the NHL has the salary cap above 100 million and star players are approaching $20 million salaries.

>>157192152
The league is run by retards, but by quality of players it's solidly in the tier just below the top leagues.

>>157192134
>posting his gayass autismo chart of average ages again
>doesn't even help his retirement league argument, MLS is still middle of the pack
Now post the average age of an MLelSoy DP player

>>157179298
Definitely not most. They'll be taking a break from mid December to early February anyway, and soccer can be played in a bit of cold, only becomes an issue if it's well below freezing. Minneapolis is the only MLS city where cold could be a consistent issue, maybe some years Chicago, Toronto, and Montreal.
>>157179345
the MLS playoffs currently clash with NFL and they won't with the new schedule. probably better to compete with the NHL and NBA playoffs than to compete with any part of the NFL season.

>>157192191
>middle of the pack means they're a retirement league
????

>>157192258
They should give Minnesota and the Canadian teams a sister city somewhere warm to play "home" games in during the worst month or so.

>>157192258
>Minneapolis is the only MLS city where cold could be a consistent issue, maybe some years Chicago, Toronto, and Montreal.
Nigger as far south as St. Louis it's consistently freezing or below freezing until mid March.

>>157179345
>YOU MUST FOCUS ON ONE SPORT AT A TIME
lol nigger, I'll watch both.

MLS is probably the best league for a luxury tax 2bh

>>157192592
nah, the salary exempt from the cap rule is solid, but they need to ditch allocation money and raise the cap to like 30m

Top jej MLS might take over the NFL in a decade or so.

>>157192650
MLS's biggest problem is that their roster system hampers ambition too much. This isn't MLB or NFL where they're competing for the best players in the world. They need Miami and Atlanta to push the league forward. A luxury tax seems like the best compromise for smaller market teams

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New commissioner candidates after Garber retires

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>>157192899

>>157192977
WE NEED TO KNOW THE DEI WHY ARE THESE TWO (VGH) WHITE MALES RUNNING FOR ANYTHING?!

>>157193023
>Berg
>Nathanson
>white

>>157179261
A long story short major leagues in europe stagger their kick off times over about a 10 hour period over weekends, and go between 5-9pm on weekdays. Nobody is going to be watching 10 hours of football then 6 of MLS. Nobody is going to be staying awake all night to watch it either. So basically it will make fuck all difference.

Winter breaks have started to fuck with tradition, but its great watching football over winter, christmas and new year, even if its a pain getting to and from stadiums.

If you've never had that tradition, I'd stay as a summer league I think. Why not.

>>157191993
Messi is my favorite European player

>>157193023
>jews
>white

>>157179337
This, although I guess I'm more of a former fan at this point. I never wanted Euro style false writhing in pain refball.

>>157193256
There are some big problems with the current calendar
It is badly mismatched with Euro leagues in terms of the transfer windows
And summer tournaments wreck havoc with MLS's player availability (and we have more of them)
That being said i don't think the juice is worth the squeeze mostly because I don't think they can really shift the games around that much. Basically the same layout

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>>157192742
>>157192650

>>157179261
africa tier league

>>157179261
>30 million salary cap

4 times lower than even furpuck? It's not taking over jackshit bro. It's the biggest joke of a sports league on the entire planet, it will continue being a league full of absolute shitter and a few way past their prime retirees that actually get people to buy some tickets

>>157180567
that vid wormed it's way on to my xitter feed and it made me crack up bc maybe like 10% of poolumbus where I live is even aware the team exists

>>157193974
To be fair, most teams outside the epl and European giants don't have a wage bill near $100 million

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>>157179405

>>157194051
they don't have salary caps at all which makes the whole structure different

>>157192899
Surprised Pissi isn't lobbying to get Infantino installed so the next few MLS playoffs can be rigged for him.

i have never watched MlelS in my life and the biggest turnoff is them trying to tightrope between larping as euros with shit like the cringe team names while still having a burger league system (conferences and a stupid playoff)

fucking pick one you absolute tryhards

>>157179405
holy based

>>157179557
nhl viewership is a complete joke compared to the other north american sports and MLS is still nowhere close to it
partially bc they made the GENIUS decision to not put it on tv at all and partially bc nobody fucking cares

>>157194278
AppleTV is better than the fucking rsns

>>157192977
The finalists are literally just whoever sucks the team's owners off the most

>>157194354
That's the fucking commissioner's job for every fucking sports league

>>157194333
idk i don't think the average person is ever gonna pay an extra subscription to watch low tier divegrass
the only reason I ever got into EPL was bc NBC broadcasted the big games before handegg on weekends

>>157194390
Okay but don't act like MLS going to Apple changed that much
They still have games in Fox

>>157194426
since you mentioned fox they need to fire their "main" commentary crew that they had during the WC (I'm assuming it's the same one for MlelS) they sound like they should be doing low tier women's college games on public access
made me actively seek out britbong feeds during the world cup

>>157194390
About 15 years ago, it was $4.99 per month for high quality streaming, and it remembered your preference for score/news display so when I worked late, I could go total news blackout, then watch while my then-gf (now wife) slept. It was super comfy and the game was more hardscrabbable. Then for some retarded reason, they shut it all down, sold everything to a grossly incompetent ESPN3, and started allowing dives, refball, and ticky tack offsides. They can fuck themselves IMO.

>>157194447
What's wrong with Strong and Holden?
I can't fucking stand the britbongs

>>157194426
Just going off MLS cup ratings, it actually did a lot. 2022 was an outlier where they broke the 2M mark, but 23, 24, and 25(the Apple TV years) they haven't been able to break 1M views. They hadn't had that problem since the early 10's.

>>157194473
I mean those numbers do only count people watching on fox

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I don't fear MLS teams winning shit or signing Messi and such.
I fear when the average 7,5/10 player from here realizes that he's never playing in Boca or River, and that neither Racing, Independiente or San Lorenzo (LMAO) will ever pay him the average MLS yearly contract of 400k-500k USD.

Martín Ojeda is the perfect example, not even good enough for Racing, went to become the captain of Orlando, lives in the US, is a much richer than he could ever be grinding here.
>and that kind of player are the base of any league, maintain a proper standard of play

NHL salary cap is like $105m and rising annually for the foreseeable future, and the floor is ~75m I think
how poor is the mls

>>157190299
That’s because it’s the safest way to guarantee it doesn’t flop financially. It’s the lowest risk option

Who the fuck is going to watch MLS when they change the schedule to compete with college football and the NFL? The fanbase is going to get even gayer.

>>157194682
especially with college handegg recklessly expanding their postseason to last until almost February

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>>157194558
MLS is $6 million right now. They're 5X'ing it. That's a big deal.

And MLS lets you have 3 players that don't count towards the cap. Which is why Inter Miami's payroll is over $50 million

https://www.capology.com/us/mls/payrolls/

>>157194682
>>157194716
A lot of people, including me, are completely done with NFL and NBA (except for social reasons when we fake it). It's nice with so many small, comfy CFB games that overlap with NHL. When MLS wasn't so fucking turbogay it was nice to have as a MLB alternative. The MLS already has a huge faggot fan problem that is borderline unfixable, competing directly with handegg will make it permanently unfixable. Also this WC did nobody any favors, every single person I know is just glad it's over and that stray Euros are no longer walking along expressways and frontage roads.

>>157194729
where is all of this money coming from

>>157194682
>>157194716
I have football fatigue, constant bs calls in NFL and college football being a mess with the whole NIL shit and mega-conferences.

>>157179261
>$30 million cap

what is this, a women's sport?

>>157194798
i think that's actually my biggest problem with mlels rather than the actual product, it attracts the worst and most obnoxious people on the planet for god knows what reason, especially the west coast teams but it's in the whole league
i am pretty much done with cfb at this point, they pushed the conference faggotry too far for me

>>157194813
Gulf Arab money iirc

It's funny that when MLS started the white lib fandom were snobby Europhiles. Now they have to love trans stuff and brown people to be a good white lib.

>>157194828
Watch some MAC conference games this year, shit was absolutely retarded last year, anything can happen, and most kids are doing it solely for pure glory and the college pussy they get to smash afterwards. It's refreshing.

>>157179261
We're going get some comfy, late night snow games.

>>157194864
it will just make me sad how far it's gone off course from when I was younger
i didn't watch at all last year and it was nice having Saturdays to do other stuff instead of stewing in anger honestly

>>157193414
this is not wrong. i remember people talking about an arab team joining as a wild card in champions' league years ago, when penaldo went to al-hilal or whatever it's called. in the end it never happened, but you also had people pushing for nba or nfl teams in london (retarded in my opinion, but whatever). to cut it short they should ask for a wild card to play with the big guys. that's the kind of stuff it helps to grow your image, and nope, friendlies or mickey mouse cups dont count. and if you can tell a good player they will still manage to play the champions league it will be easier to sign, nobody wants to play for the mid tier french league, yet if psg calls then you know it's completely different. there's probably less distance to travel from madrid to miami rather to baku or astana anyway.

>>157194847
They're still snobby Europhiles on top of that though.
>>157194997
Baku is a shorter flight, Astana is longer. Not by much in both cases. The problem is what happens when they have to fly to Seattle or Vancouver, and instead of 9 hours it's 13.

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>>157179345
>>157179382
>>157192258
dude LMAO

an average nfl game is 3 hours and 15 minutes, and in all this time the ball is in play for 11 minutes on average
it's a meme sport comprised of mostly ads and replays, you can easily watch soccer than change channel and see some replay of the 11 minutes total of the nfl game

>>157195429
>11 minutes of getting your absolute shit rocked against a 200 minimum pound guy running at your at full force
Vs
>90 minutes of light jogging and shadowing another player, with 1-2 minute spurts where you’re actually running after the ball, before going back to light jogging for another 5 minutes

>>157195457
>11 minutes of getting your absolute shit rocked against a 200 minimum pound guy running at your at full force
sandwiched between 3 literal hours of ads, replays, shots of players standing around and "planning"
most of those players will became non functioning retards when they're 35

as a "sport", american football was completely exposed let's be honest, nonsensical, i bet most of the people watching that shit are boomers

>>157195429
sure, if you don't understand football you only think 11 minutes matter. But if you actually know what's going on it's far more than that.

>>157195547
people watch sportsball because they want to see the action and the ball rolling they don't want to see retards talking to each other while "planning" for an hour+2 hours of ads and replays
i have no idea how this garbage even became the most popular sport in america, how do you even play it with friends when you're a kid? you can't

>>157195497
> sandwiched between 3 literal hours of ads, replays, shots of players standing around and "planning"
Correct. The players need time to rest and recover from going full force on the play otherwise they’d all be broken and literally crippled before the first quarter ends. These guys hit way harder than rugby league does.
> most of those players will became non functioning retards when they're 35
Vastly overstated but who cares, they’re multi-millionaires who know the risk that comes with their profession.

>>157195580
>how do you even play it with friends when you're a kid? you can't
you need two people to play catch. three people to run routes with a defender. you don't need a helmet and pads to play football recreationally. flag football is in the next olympics.

>>157195603
>Correct. The players need time to rest and recover from going full force on the play otherwise they’d all be broken and literally crippled before the first quarter ends
it's boring, i believe americans only watch american football out of pride, no one could possibly find it entertaining
>These guys hit way harder than rugby league does.
rugby league is a real sport where the ball is in play for the majority of the run and doesn't require you to dress like a clown

>>157195663
>it's boring, i believe americans only watch american football out of pride, no one could possibly find it entertaining
now you're just coping about people and a sport you don't understand. not even interesting rage bait.

>>157195676
when a man watches sportsball, he wants to see the ball rolling, he wants to see the players catching the ball and scoring, we can all agree here, no one wants to see the players talking to each other. you're just larping as an intellectual now, pretending non americans are inferior for not understanding the big brain strategies of american football, this is just pride

>>157195717
just insane cope to think that americans pretend to like football to spite foreigners. no one cares whether italians like football. americans don't even think of italy as a living country, just a historical place.

>>157184989
> Besides, a stronger NA Football league is much healthier for the sport
Why is that?

>>157195789
it's not cope, it's the only explanation, without national pride nothing would incentivize americans to watch 3 hours of ads, replays and players talking to each other just for 10 minutes of play

>>157195816
football is ~150 plays per game, each play is high intensity and important to the outcome. many americans like it. you're a european who doesn't. it's not that deep. you're not making any anti-football points a million other europeans who don't know the sport make.

>>157195863
they are valid points, yes millions of other europeans obviously came to the same conclusion, that watching 11 minutes of play in a 3 hours+ game is boring as fuck and even the most boring soccer matches are less boring than that. yes there's some strategy behind those 11 minutes but that hardly makes it better i'm here to watch sportsball with my friends not a documentary

>>157195789
>americans don't even think of italy as a living country, just a historical place.
I've never seen this explained better than that

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>>157193360
all of this shit is a non-issue. Mls doesnt have a large pool of players that europe wants but wont buy due to differing tranfer windows because mls overprice most of their players and they arent that good enough to warrant european attention either. Like no european club is fighting to sign max arfsten or tristan blackmon but then say "aww shucks we cant make the signing because of different windows", they just arent that relevant in the european market when mbungu tungu can be bought for 1 million from a ligue 2 club and is a far better player already with an eu passport. The transfer availability on mls side also doesnt matter either because the regular season is a joke and utter trash and mls forces itself to go on break anyway during summer for their gay chicanobux leagues cup that no one cares about.

>>157193302
Honestly, considering that he left Argentina when he was 11, it's not completely unfair to say that.
He never even played in Argentina. He should arguably declare for the spanish NT.

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>>157186595
Please do not mutilate your children's genitals

>>157195457
idk man, soccer guys are falling over exhausted after games whereas nfl niggers seem like they haven't done much

>>157196761
You say that like Vancouver didn't just lose one if it's better players

>>157195916
If you can't appreciate the difference in strategy and play style then you just have shit taste

>>157196761
Funnily enough Middlesborough just bought Arfsten

>>157195429
Isn't the ball only in play for about 50 minutes in an average soccer game? And if we did it like this graph it probably wouldn't be hard to get it down to 10 minutes of actual forward progress being made and not just faffing about passing to each other in the middle of the field.

>>157196847
It's cleaner, women prefer it, and can help you last longer.

>>157198966
>It's cleaner
so is removing your fingernails
>women prefer it
no, also you shouldn't be altering your body for the opinions of women

Messi's been carrying the league for a few years. When he's gone there will be no one. Griezmann doesn't move the needle.

>>157198728
only because of the uk visa points system due to mls marketing caps on the usmnt making him a viable transfer target. It'll probably be a 5 million pound or a 7 million dollar transfer too, sebastian berhalter's transfer to boro was 2 million pounds. So both players who are some of the best of mls in their prime age of 25 yo and marketed heavily on the usmnt are transferring to a championship side for meager pocket change transfer fees sounds about right considering the levels involved.

>>157199805
This is some dumb schizo bullshit lmao

>>157199830
all of it is true, that's how these transfers work doyle. National team caps for mlelsoy shitters makes it easier to transfer to english clubs because of their visa point system for players. And none of them are paying large fees for them so they get to experiment and buy a cheap lottery scratcher for some mlelsoy shitter who can be a squad player at worst or if they're shit the financial pain is minimal. Anyways both will be back in mlelsoy after 2 or 3 seasons just like james sands

>>157199871
7 million is not chump change for a championship team

>>157199805
>marketed heavily on the usmnt
lol

>>157179294
I like the MLS and love watching early hours matches that kick off at 1am

>>157199894
It's chump change for that club doyle, 7 million pounds doesnt even make it into boro's top 10 record transfer arrivals.

>>157199931
>>157199871
for all 24 champ clubs, only 15 transfers in have been 5m+

boro transfers over 5m
1 this year
2 last year
2 in 24/25
1 in 23/24
0 in 22/23
1 in 21/22
0 in 20/21

>>157190216
Yes it is

IF! MLS goes through with this its over for Liga MX, they will never win again

>>157193557
MLS is better than your league and it isn't even close. You don't throw rocks living in a glass house, thirdie

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To be fair the $6 million salary cap comes before all the insane allocation measures MLS takes
Every MLS team spends more than $6 million on payroll

>>157179261
>salary cap

How is this a good idea for soccer in this country? The Saudis have already shown that the best (possibly only) way to compete with Europe on getting top talent is to throw a ridiculous amount of money at the league

capping salary seems like the antithesis of competing for talent

MLS is great. Just find it hilarious people go out of their way to put it down when they support an even shittier league. I watch MLS to have fun. Soccer and sports are supposed to be fun. I don't get aggressive and demean people because their favorite soccer corporation plays in different league. I will put down USL losers though because those are the most delusional "fans". Can't even sell out any playoff games and think they're on MLS's level top kek

>>157200161
The collapse of the Chinese Super League and the impending collapse of the Saudi Professional League shows that there's no place that can sustain spending billions on players forever

>>157200161
>How is this a good idea for soccer in this country?
I like paying $25 for my tickets. I don't care who is on the field. Soccer is meant for going to hang out and make new friends

might go to my local mls next pro game tonight

>>157200408
>mls next pro
Its outrageous that those teams can't get promoted

>>157200176
>$25 for MLS tickets
You're a supporters group sth, I'm not paying for the entire season to larp with commie faggots waving troon pride flags

>>157200441
Would be awkward if Man City's literal B team was allowed to play in the EPL

>>157200465
There is no such thing as a B team. There are youth teams and a development squad. The development squad, is basically an under 21 side, senior players recovering from injury sometimes get a run out. Those development teams, can be promoted and relegated.

In Spain, they do have B teams that play in their league system. From what I understand they can't be promoted, but they're mixed in with proper football clubs that can.

Teams in the MLS can't be relegated. Teams in the league below, can't be promoted. That is quite simply outrageous. From what I read Next Pro has 3 independent clubs, Carolina Core FC, Chattanooga FC and CT United. Why shouldnt they be able to be promoted at the expense of 3 MLS sides?

The entire system, is a joke.

>>157200544
After reading more about this, the next pro is essentially the 3rd tier. The USL Championship is the 2nd tier. Why shouldn't USL Championship teams be able to be promoted, its nonsense.

Lets take Brooklyn FC. Lets say they've got loads of local talent. A great development programme. Great coaching at grass roots. They get a generation that comes through, that are capable of being promoted. Lets say a rich local wants buys the club, invests heavily. Why shouldnt that club be promoted at the expense of an MLS side that finishes bottom of the league.

>>157200544
>>157200614
Soccer isn't that big here, owners can't afford to pul pro/rel unless they want MLS to go bankrupt. Soccer leagues have a history of folding here, by not having pro/rel investors can be sure their isn't any risk with investing or buying a team. We already have a salary cap for competitiveness too, it's a great alternate while ensuring the soccer league doesn't fold.

>>157200614
A lot of hypotheticals there
And USL doesn't exactly have a long history of keeping teams alive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Former_USL_Championship_teams

>>157200161
The Saudi league is subsidized by the government. It's a cultural project. MLS has to be economically viable on its own.

>>157200165
No one wants to watch MLelSoy with you, Doyle.

>>157200441
No it isn't. Minor league sports are kino. Minor league baseball is pure Americana.

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>>157200650
Owners don't want to do it because closed leagues are good for valuations. 7 of the most 30 valuable teams are MLS

>>157200614
owners would never approve

>>157200989
I mean they have a point
It would take a hundred million in investments to get the average USL team to MLS standards
Where exactly is the ROI? That money has to come from somewhere

>>157200650
>>157200757
I think a long story short is, I don't like the franchise model, I think its bullshit, I think its abhorrent, and I'm not sure why americans go along with it.

From a country that has the mentality of, I will fuck you over to make a profit, fuck you pay me, fuck you I'm alright; it seems strange that the narrative you push is "We're actually protecting everyone by doing this". I think as fans, you're having the wool pulled over your eyes.

Why shouldnt half of MLS go under if they're not sustainable. Why shouldnt Rhode Island buy a plot of land, put a pitch on it, start as amateur, develop as a club, build a fanbase, be fan owned, get promoted at the expense of an MLS club that is shit, had a bad season, isnt sustainable, doesnt have a fanbase. Why shouldnt a rich man be able to transform a football club. Why shouldnt your sports teams be fan owned. Why shouldnt sustainable USL teams replace unsustainable MLS teams through promotion and relegation.

You're basically creating an artificial product, and a monopoly. Its not football. Its not even sport in my view. Its no different to what hollywood creates. As fans, you don't really have any link or connection or ties these clubs at all.

>>157200942
No idea what kino means, I'm a middle aged white man. Whats minor league, semi pro? amatuer? you want to keep them that way? Its still a franchise? Why deliberately hold them back? Why not let them rival major league or whatever, why not be promoted. If they're not very good, they stay amateur, everything you love apparently. If they're half decent, they flourish.

>>157201057
>Why shouldnt Rhode Island buy a plot of land, put a pitch on it, start as amateur, develop as a club, build a fanbase
The market is too small for an MLS club, it would compete with the much bigger New England team which is already the de facto club for all of New England including Rhode Island.

>>157200148
People get confused and mad about GAM, but all it is in practice is tradeable cap space, which is actually pretty cool.

>>157200544
>MLS Franchise Teams
>Relegation liable top College Teams whose league games count toward their conferences & have college tournament bypass to knockout stage
>all revenue goes toward player tuition first, the remainder at average league salary, then the rest earmarked for that college's sports programs' scholarships and/or soccer program
>Trash MLS teams have to play regional group stage of college ball tournaments and host all their games in their stadium; MLS sides that don't top their group have to play the rest of that tournament starting against group winners
>The MLS Relegation Zone is just having to split league game ticket revenue when they play the College teams

>>157201080
Its defacto because they're protected, because the owners investment is protected. Why shouldnt Rhode Island emerge as a genuine rival. If they're shit forever, ok. But give them the opportunity at least

>>157201057
>Whats minor league
Minor leagues are like B/C/D teams. But dedicated leagues. Mostly for young developing players.

In baseball every Major League team has a farm system, with teams in each of the 4 levels of minor leagues. They're pro players. They sign with the Major league team, and the team allocates the players throughout the system.

>>157200464
I am not actually. I know how to use the Internet and find cheap tickets

>>157201057
The franchise model is terrible but it's older than pro/rel in England. Idk why scouts allowed the AL and NL to have their anti-trust exemption in 1922, but they did. I mostly follow college sports because in part it does allow for the locality that is missing with the mandrama in the NFL and NBA

But soccer in the US has a bad history of collapsing over here and MLS, through all its faults, has survived
Pro/rel would take a lot of investment and a lot of interest in communities where it's not a given like it is elsewhere to be close to viable

>>157201057
>From a country that has the mentality of, I will fuck you over to make a profit, fuck you pay me, fuck you
No those are jews and jew adjacent. The rest of us have morals and integrity

Why has Middlesbrough bought 3 Americans from MLS? Is this a marketing stunt?

>>157201130
So what would you prefer.

Your current model. An owner has the franchise, has teams at 4 different levels. A monopoly.

Or its a free for all. Grass roots, semi pro, pro. Hundreds, thousands of different owners, fanbases, their own grounds/stadiums, own sponsors, some owned by rich local men / women, some fan owned, some private equity. You all compete. The strong survive, the weak go under. Is that what US is intrinsically, isnt that what you take pride in being

I honestly feel like owners have american fans by the testicles, and fuck you over, and you just accept it

>>157201159
You say it would take a lot of investment. But does it. At that very bottom of a footballing pyramid, you essentially have teams that do it for the love of the game. 11 men a side, few footballs, a pitch, meeting up on a weekend to have a kick about. A pub, a workplace, friends you knew from school, a gym, a church even. If they're part of a legitimate league system, everyone finds their level. Some are better than others, eras come and go, investment differs, good recruitment, local talent, coaching quality, fan base, some get relegated, some get promoted. Sky is the limit. Going out of business. Going back to playing as amateurs is a real prospect. Players emerge with genuine value, get sold etc, external investment and locals start sponsoring.

Don't you think its kind of tragic, or a travesty, that you can't do that in america.

>>157201223
Middlesbrough will have 5 players they've signed from MLS in total
Although McGree never actually played for Charlotte

>>157201258
>But does it
It would take about a hundred million dollars to get a USL team to MLS standards

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This is where my local USL team plays btw because their old stadium got bought and sold for commercial development

USL should try to be the right wing league. MLS already has the gay lefty market cornered. There's an opening for a chud league.

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>>157201327
They have these faggots who make Portland look right wing

>no one gets relegated
what's the fucking point

>>157201327
that's what NISA was, but it's almost completely dead now

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>>157201223
Boro came out ahead, t.bh. Malanda at least is very good, and Latte Lath is trash
>27 goals in 59 games for Boro
>9 goal in 44 games for Atlanta
Is MLS a higher level than the Championship?

>>157201282
Judging by the quality of the MLS, I'm not convinced. I think if there was relegation and promotion, you would see some of those USL sides emerge, and gain a foothold in the MLS.

We're not talking about "This team needs 2 billion spending on it to compete in the MLS". The gulf in class isnt anywhere near that big.

There is something off with the franchise model, and I don't think americans are ready to address it. Its not right when you think about it.

Doesnt want relegation and promotion, willing to distribute wealth among the inner circle, but not through the footballing pyramid, doesnt even want a league system. Wants to gatekeep ownership. Very strange

>>157201349
What's the point for all the teams in the middle of your table that have no chance at a top spot but are in no danger of being relegated?

>>157201258
i don't think you understand how expensive it is to run a team in america lol.
i ran a sunday league team for two years in my local men's league
every guy paid $350 and i still put over $2k/year of my own money in because field rental alone was $200 per game

>>157201367
That's just incorrect.

>>157201376
In the UK a lot of public parks have football pitches and goal posts, rugby pitches. You can pull up and play on them for free. There are a lot of council owned 5 a side artificial pitches. You don't have similar in the US with other sports? Couldnt the state fund something like that. Help reduce the cost

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>>157201365
Right now the Tampa Bay Rowdies are the top team in the USL Championship
They play in a 7,500 seat Al Lang stadium
US Soccer requires that stadiums for D1 teams to seat at least 15,000
I know the EPL doesn't require that but it would require extensive renovations
I see here (https://ballparkdigest.com/2025/12/05/al-lang-stadium-lives-under-new-st-pete-plan/) that there is a plan to renovate the stadium for at least $49 million

USL championship payrolls are set at a million. San Diego FC spent $20 million on their initial roster.

The Rowdies don't have a development academy so there's another few million

More front office staff, office space, etc

It's at least a hundred million without the franchise fee

>>157201471
we do not, nor would the gov help with that lol

>>157201590
Why can't they add 7500 temporary seats, gather the best squad they can, and compete? They get around 5k fans each game, its not insignificant, its part of the community, why can't the local council help with ground development.

>>157201363
not getting promoted with mlelsoy

>>157201755
Bro you really don't know what professional sports are, do you? It's not just a kick around with your local buddies except much, much better

>>157201764
Why are you so triggered by this?

>>157201367
that does happen but it's unsustainable for said clubs, and they usually end up sinking or swimming

>>157201810
You clearly don't want reform. You want to maintain the status quo.You secretly love the franchise model. Don't try to deflect on that by casting doubt on my knowledge. Adding temporary seats isnt an outrageous concept, teams do it all the time when promoted, or during cup games. Youre deliberately putting the bar higher and higher, because you don't want tampa in the MLS. Just admit it. If you did, you'd let them be promoted rather than making it impossible.

"The barrier to entry is about 100m" if you can't find that you're out of luck. "They need to capital to meet the minimum payroll". Show me your nose.....

>>157201826
no one's triggered I'm just laughing at some stupid english club.

>>157201898
I'm just telling you what it takes to be a professional team now
It's not the 30s. You can't just have a bunch of guys playing on the field and nothing past that. It's a business and business require employees and capital investment. Having a team play in a stadium where half the seats are temporary forever is not a sustainable model for professional sports

>>157202013
You're not getting it. Your opinion means nothing.

Tampa should be able to get promoted, whether you like it or not, whether you think its possible or not, and fucking stick it on whoever you support. Wealth should be filtering through the footballing pyramid as well.

Majority of the MLS barely fucking get 15k fans. Tampa are already at 5k playing in a toss league they can't even get promoted from. Stop fucking hold people back and fucking them over you dirty jew.

>>157201755
>Why can't they just temporarily double the size of their stadium?
Jesus Christ

>>157201755
>Why can't they add 7500 temporary seats
where? lol there are roads on 3 sides

>>157201122
>Why shouldnt Rhode Island emerge as a genuine rival
Something similar was tried in NHL, Hartford, Connecticut had their own team called the Whalers but they struggled with attendance because no one gave a shit about them. People want big market teams and in this case mostly everyone preferred to be Boston/NY fans so the Whalers relocated to the South where they now have a decent fanbase under the name Carolina Hurricanes. Small market teams don't work outside the NFL.

>>157202059
>Majority of the MLS barely fucking get 15k fans
avg attendance is 22k though

>>157202059
while i agree with this statement in general, i would note that the protections afforded to MLS owners (in the form of a closed system with no relegation) have dramatically increased the investment dollars flowing into our teams and academies. The situation here, in terms of fan interest, is very different from everywhere else. So in terms of justice and fun and keeping grubby hands away from the sport, I understand your point. But from the standpoint of establishing an actual sustainable system that is still kind of fledgeling, I think your opinion (also meaningless, btw) completely ignores the pragmatic realities of the situation here.

>>157202133
pretty sure this is heavily skewed by a handful of big drawing teams. and some of those get one-time bumps by newly joining the league or signing messi.

>>157202100
>>157202119
Now and again, teams will get promoted that don't meet certain regulations. They overcome this either which way. There are loads things, temporary seating, extending a stand, standing only, club has value to the community and its in the interests of local government to be part of the development etc etc. They're given a period of time to make changes. The point is, there is a willingness to make it work.

Your brains are fucked. You've been jewed. You can't break out of the "capital", barrier to entry, franchise mindset. You're literally holding a team back with a 5k fanbase, in a city with a 400k population back, and see nothing wrong with it, you try to defend it. Cretins

>>157202131
Can't make it to the NFL? No problem. But don't stop them getting there.

Everything else is pure aids. The anti competition, monopoly, franchise model fucks everyone on the outside over, and limits those on the inside, detaches fans from teams and locality.

"We had a shit fan base, so we just moved and got a new fanbase" jesus christ.

>>157202223
>You're literally holding a team back with a 5k fanbase
i'm not a fan of the franchise model, but what are we holding them back from? Winning the MLS?

>>157201327
>right wing
>soccer fans
>american
Vanishingly small market. Just make a league that’s politics neutral and family friendly

>>157202263
You're holding them back from developing, progress, competing, rivalling, promotion, external investment, growing that fan base, becoming a more integrated part of the community, from having a season in the MLS and gaining financially, from exposure, to live the dream. You don't want a club with a 5k fanbase replacing a toss side with a 12k fanbase that had a shit season and ended up being relegated, because it would be a "bad investment" for the wanker that bought the franchise and wanted a guaranteed return. Everything about it, is wrong. Its not sport.

I've said before, your mindset is fucked. How hard you've been jewed is incredible. You're not even conscious of it. Imagine being jewed so hard, you shill for them lmao

>>157179261
kek, kekkaroo even

>>157202319
You're confusing me with other posters, my flustered and self righteous friend. Tons of USL teams have actually gotten investment and gotten into the MLS. They still compete in the open cup and can qualify for the champions league. Half of your list was just the same point about the money available from top flight participation, yet you don't realize that the revenue from the top flight would be much lower without the closed league protections. I get generally where you're coming from, but you need to put more effort into educating yourself on the specifics here if you want to have that sort of tone without sounding like a retard. It's not quite as simple as you're painting it.

>>157202375
>Tons of USL teams have actually gotten investment and gotten into the MLS
No they fucking haven't because they can't even get promoted. They "attracted investment" to become a franchise. What the fuck is this...... its not sport thats for sure

>>157202390
So because they bought themselves into MLS, it doesn't count as investment?

>>157202390
They literally did, and I don't want to hear from you on the topic you're going to deny basic facts. Being loudly ignorant isn't good for credibility.

Also, you're conflating entity organization with the actual competition on the field.

>>157202407
It doesn't count because it dramatically weakens most of his previous rant. This is what happens when you get too self righteous about something you dont understand fully and now have to admit your booboo

>>157202223
>"We had a shit fan base, so we just moved and got a new fanbase" jesus christ
What's wrong with that? Business move all the time. A relocation made sense

>>157202429
The obvious answer is that most fans are better off if teams aren't treated as businesses.

>>157202412
>Has a USL team ever been promoted due to on pitch performance and a MLS club relegated due to on pitch performance?
No. In the United States and Canada, no USL club has ever been promoted to MLS based on sporting performance, and no MLS club has ever been relegated because of its league results.

MLS operates as a closed franchise league, so membership is determined by expansion, ownership approval, stadium plans, and financial criteria—not by where a team finishes in the standings.

>>157202313
It has to be a little right wing, or lefties will take over it. UFC does this fine without going full NASCAR.

>>157202510
>I changed the words, and here is my AI answer
You're making yourself look even worse. USL teams have joined MLS on a number of occasions. They weren't promoted, and nobody said they were. Several of the items you listed were not necessarily related to promotion, because that would be circular. Time to apologize amd get better at reading

>>157202548
We're on 4chan bud, leave the corperate buzzwords at your office desk.

The original point was centred around stopping promotion and relegation. You argued it happens, and cast doubt on my credibility. It doesnt. So you look retarded. What were you even getting at, because whatever you were getting at, wasnt related to any of my points.

There's no need to think about pro/rel until we have at least 50 teams that meet D1 professional standards and the 30 teams in MLS barely meet those

>>157202562
No corporate buzzwords were used. And i literally didnt argue anyone got promoted (otherwise show me ITT where it was claimed). However I did show that several of the issues raised here >>157202319 unequivocally aren't conditional on promotion. That's all. And you dont really have credibility. You asked AI and inserted key words that weren't used lol

>>157202522
UFC has billions of retarded brown Muslims and Brazilian favelitos willing to watch it when American viewership dips not the same.

>>157202585
Eh what's D1 quality mean in this country? The biggest issue imo is that the money likelihood dries up (both revenue and investment) if relegation comes into play, and we are right back to the parade of defunct teams and our babby academies go away. That's not good for anyone.

>>157202618
Well first thing's first
Teams have to be the primary occupant of their stadium
Or at least not have playoff games moved across the city to a different stadium

>>157202586
You're one of these faggots that debates, for the sake of debating. Its very tedious.
Your original post was

>Tons of USL teams have actually gotten investment and gotten into the MLS
Yes they have! Because a cunt produced the cash to make franchise and then fellow jews in the MLS voted to let them into it! Hows that chud! I really showed you! Sport is brilliant in the US!

You: Teams can make it.......... providing......
Me: You can fuck off, take your capital investment, and vote on a franchise up your arse, Tampa should be able to go up regardless.
You: Reeeeeee

>I did show that several of the issues raised here >>157202319 (You) unequivocally aren't conditional on promotion
Because they can do all that in the USL right.... lmao just go away, stop youing me

>>157202522

UFC PPV numbers have been dipping in recent years due to overall decline in fight quality and the organization making a mockery of itself. It was much better when it at least pretended to be an apolitical professional organization

>>157202710
Its not tedious. Your point wasn't as powerful as you suggested. You cant limply dismiss it without ever acknowledging how there are pivotal aspects about which you were completely ignorant. One of us is reeeeing its not me sweetie

>>157202742
You've got a very odd demeanour. You're either autistic, a tranny or still in your office suit. Maybe all 3

I wasnt ignored about anything. You came at a topic of conversation from a completely different angle with tranny mental gymnastics. The theme was, promotion, relegation in general. Then you pluck forming a franchise out of your arsehole and shill it like its promotion.

>>157202710
Does this guy not realize that he was the one who brought up capital investment first?

>>157202782
Its not mental gymnastics. I asked you what were biggest issues with being locked out of MLS. You provided one (which included a series of redundancies) and I pointed out that promotion wasn't a necessary condition to realizing those things that you identified as boons or virtues. Its not nitpicking, its the precise heart of the issue. USL teams.can get as big as they want, compete for a national trophy and qualify for the continental league, even the club world cup. The actual thing they're being blocked from exists largely BECAUSE they are blocked from it l, at least in a codified way. This makes the situation in the US different from everywhere else. Its an important set if facts that have been expressed to you numerous times ITT and you sneer despite your glaring lack of comprehension. Then you mix in some lame ass stock insult attempts as you sit at home.boiling at midnight on a friday

>>157202827
>I asked you what were biggest issues with being locked out of MLS
Lets keep it simple then. Being locked out of the MLS, is the biggest problem. Hows that

>>157202782
You have some kind of belief that sports can be devoid of all financial pressures and the greed of capitalism
And yeah MLS owners would fight any legitmate pro/rel attempt tooth and nail because franchise valuations would collapse overnight

But European soccer involves money. More importantly in the conversation, they involve professional standards that evolved over a hundred plus years. Stuff that USL teams don't comply with

>>157202874
That's better, but it's still circular. You already made your case, and it's fine. You just couldn't resist trying to make it grander by forcing a bunch of bullshit that didnt belong

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>>157201327
This is the now current and now former democratic candidates for senatw from Maine at a USL game

I watch my team every week and go to every game I can
I hope mls gets better

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>>157179261
>no pro/rel
Don't care. Will never care until it's an open league.

>>157203421
>I watch my team every week
A franchise, isnt your team, and never will be. There is no difference between an MLS team and an Indian running a subway franchise. But you're choosing to support one over another.

>>157199921
And I like watching Hull play at 10:30am when I’m day drinking instead of working, we aren’t the people the advertisers want to advertise to. We don’t buy whatever is printed on the jerseys.

>>157203453
Cry about it, I'll be watching >my team and having a good time

>>157203453
No need to seethe, I’m sure the Indian Super League is fun to watch too, Sanjay

>>157203467
You're having fun being a good goy you mean. Don't forget to buy the 2 foot hot dog, bud light, shirt

lol, how dogshit is Toronto?

>>157202782
>You're either autistic, a tranny or still in your office suit.
It's "Doyle" he's been doing this autistic MLS shilling crusade for the last decade on USMNT and MLS threads

>>157204528
/talents/ is dead

>>157203453
Who owns your favorite club?

>>157204528
>still assblasted about a ghost you imagined
Lmao

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>>157203495
You on the left

>>157202874
Being locked out of the MLS is a bade of honor. Nobody in their right mind wants to be associated with Reddit: The Tranny League.

>>157204528
Who?

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>>157205236

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>>157204528

Playoffs are more exciting than pro/rel battles.

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>>157179261
>mls is switching to a european calendar and $30 million salary cap in in the next year.

How does a salary cap make American soccer teams better? Won't the best players just go to Europe, where they can get a bazillion dollars?

>>157205360
It’s to make it so the league is relatively competitive and so the richest teams don’t buy all the talent

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>>157194278
>partially bc they made the GENIUS decision to not put it on tv at all

I was a Red Wings fan back in the days of Yzerman, Probert, Federov, etc. when they were winning Stanley Cups (even went to a few games) but when they switched to FOX Sports pay cable channel, I abandoned them.

>>157205360
As people have said itt already, they are not adding a salary cap, they are increasing (by a lot) the existing one.

>>157205390
The most communist capitalist country I've ever known

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>>157190346
>33 year American winning streak.

Whatever, most NHL players are Canadian anyways. The problem is Canada is a commie-pinko arctic hellhole where teams can't afford the best players and the players don't want to move to Canada and give up 90% of their money in taxes.

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>>157194390
>NBC broadcasted the big games before handegg on weekends

That's how American soccer ought to do it if they want to get viewers.

>>157194729

Where's Detroit?

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>>157194818
>college football being a mess with the whole NIL shit

This is so easy to solve, I dunno why it's still a problem?

Simply mandate one year contracts, which protect both the player and the schools and the amount of money is whatever the school and player agree on.

After the contract expires, the player is a free agent and can resign or go to another school for whatever money they agree on.

What's the problem with above?

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>>157195429
>you can easily watch soccer