If you had a blank slate and unlimited money, how would you set up the US soccer system?
>>157223505They don’t have it in them. Maybe if they started playing on the 40s seriously. But now they are all hypnosissy faggots
>>157223505>Promotion + relegation>regional leagues>Concentration of teams in cities with subway systems>Also allow teams from bumfuck Iowa sub 10000 population have a team>League format, National Cup and Continental cup>No 10 teams make the playoffs in the league. Just a normal league format EG the winner is who has the most points at the end of the seasonBasically an adapted English Football pyramid & calendar minus the league cup
>>157223505spend it all on alcohol, having sex with instagram models, and zaxbys
>>157223533We were serious in the 40s. In the 1930s the ASL was one of the world's top leagues.
>>157223539How many national leagues? when do you start regionalizing?
>>157223572well this works well here:1 national league with several divisions1-2 national cups/supercup50 state leagues (clubs' start point to reach the national divisions)the rest should be just continental/international
>>157223505>country made out of immigrantsYour answer is there, just pump cash into first gen immigrants especially if they're Latino American or European
>>157223505It is impossible toYou would need to break athletes being geared towards football to have a chance at developing skills towards soccer as the sport people are interested in.That culture cannot exist given that college clubs still exist from the 1860s (older than every single soccer club on the planet outside the UK) so it will never be culturally relevant. You can throw billions of dollars but you cannot rewrite history
>>157223505Make it state mandatory.Citizenship of birth in America.No university or military involvment.No rostermania, teams are teams for atleast 5 years.No women allowed.No VAC.
>>157223572>1 national league - Tier 1>Several regional/multi state leagues - Tier 2>State Leagues - Tier 3>Non-League local city/county football leagues -Tier 4
>>157223539Sounds like a great way to waste a ton of money for no reason and benefit
>>157223670>No VAC.what does valve have to do with any of this
>>157223539Why are Euros so against playoffs?
>>157223702Whatever that stupid video replay system used in FIFA
>>157223707It creates a sense games becoming pointless when a team is safely in the playoffs. Every game should matter as long as possible. MLS players coming to England have expressed this opnion themselves
>>157223729Every game does matter in the playoff system
>>157223505You would have to break the stranglehold baseball, basketball, and Football (college and nfl) have on American sports culture. Until that happens (it won’t) soccer will always remain a niche sport
>>157223729what about teams who are locked into the mid range? if you're not top 3 or bottom 3 your games don't matter either
>>157223561us soccer never really recover after the split
>>157223729How many meaningful games did Fulham play last season?It wasn't 38
>>157223729Spurs also lost 17 games last season and stayed upThey don't all matter
I would embezzle all the money and make a shittier USL to keep up appearances
>>157223953The Clippers used a USL team to get around the cap with Kawahi
>>157223505abolish itsoccer is for thirdie countries
>>1572239453 relegation spots are too lenient for a 20-club league. Having 4 makes every season a genuine threat, even for the biggest clubs. We don't see shit clubs like Everton ever get relegated because of that.
>>1572240944 relegation spots to MLS with 4 smaller regional leagues that would promote smaller rivalries>West>South>Midwest>NortheastEach relegated team gets put into the closest league to their region and one team is promoted per region, sure this may end up with your occasional "Milwaukee in the West" or "Philadelphia in the South" but it will create support for those midtable lower division teams by making the threshold of entry lower and making away day travel more feasible.
Exactly like the UK. I can't seem to care about play offs, different league stages for the top 4 teams, or anything that differs from the standard, big 5 league format. So that's non negotiable for me.In other countries there's no equity between states or cities, ironically you are sport commies by putting salary caps and making sure there isn't more than one big franchise per state or whateverIn the top league, if there are 4 teams from New York and no teams from Ohio, then it's just the way things are. Soccer fans from Ohio will have to be happy with watching their team fighting for promotion in the 3rd tier. Obviously the National Cup would be similar to other countries, but you could explore a different format with the League Cup .
>>157224191God you fags are horrendous
>>157223505just buy every great player in the world and make them residents. hire fraudiola to coach. deport them if they lose.
I would buy a magic genie lamp to make americans actually like soccer
>>157223561Nice comeback, I had no idea. Makes it even more of a mystery why things went the way they did.
>>157224263imagine going to work, and as soon as you see a coworker the first thing he says is "did you spend the weekend collecting lumber bro?" with a smirk because he knows the team that you support lost to Portland Timbersit's part of small talk when HR or management are doing presentations on Teams "and here in red you can see the losses... no offense to Benfica fans"
>>157223505replace high school&college football ecosystem with soccer (including the cheerleading/social benefits, privileges for athletes, and free education)regionalize the game more. give the northeast, west coast, midwest, southwest, etc their own leagues with local rivalries so smaller cities can actually have teams and big cities have many clubs. still have playoffs to determine the national champion and nationwide domestic cups, but otherwise you dont have to travel across a continent to see an away game
>>157223505I go /GODGERS/ mode and buy every gud playa frfr
youth clubs:>can have a max of 3 teams per age>banned from mandating third jerseys, warmups, and backpacks [yes this is a thing]>all in the same pro/rel pyramid instead of alphabet soup leaguessemi-pro/pro clubs:>merged pro/rel pyramid>salary cap X but 3 exempt players>no geographical restrictions>lower capacity requirementsthis would bolster rec league and cut down on club costs for youth.and open up the pro game to growth and overall stability rather than depending on billionaires.
>>157224454Wouldn't fix anything
>>157223505make it less gay, allow more contact
>>157224479How would that improve the game?
>>157224479Let players hit harder while strapping them into some stupid armor doesn't make you less gay
>>157223505first stop, nuking israel
>>157224516Discourage diving and crying to the ref when you get tapped on the shoulder
>>157223505>If you had a blank slate and unlimited money, how would you set up the US soccer system?A million tiers like ENGERLAND has.I want some fat 45yo can't-be-a-has-been-because-they never-been to be able to say >"I'm with the Des Moines Donkeypunchers and we play in the 37th-tier of American soccer."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_football_league_system
>>157223505a zillion free academies.
>>157224516no normal man with testosterone is watching a low stakes boring pro gay flopfest
>>157223505Use the MLB pitch/ball tracking system to cover all angles of everything at 300 fps (or whatever it is now). Use this + AI + human in the loop to track when the ball is in play, and have time count down like every other sport. When the time calculation relative to a traditional timekeeping is "in stoppage time", the countdown clock simply changes color to red. So if the clock counting down at 9:46 turns red, that means, traditionally speaking "you're in stoppage time".Recognize divegrass and refball are existential threats to the sport. The number 1 priority in all official booth review is to diagnose diving/embellishment and to issue a straight ejection on first instance, meaning the player can be replaced. Traditional red card on subsequent occurrences.Change US rules offsides to be: any body part overlap with attacker and defender is onside. Just like MLB ABS, replay must be delivered in under 15 sec.Finally, on set plays in the box (corners, free kicks) allow any amount of upper body open handed pushing. No hitting/punching or holding of fabric, hair, or body parts, but anything else goes. Allow basketball style screens, pick & rolls, etc, and I want to occasionally see someone running around not knowing they're bleeding and causing an infectious disease prevention timeout.Another thing: zero politics, no gay faggot shit, if possible all local food & drink. Also, maybe have halftime be a couple of Russia style hay ring on-grass MMA 5 min fights between a few supporter section guys on each side. 100% kino streaming sevice for $10/mo using all of those AI cameras and allow alternate/3rd party commentary w/ livethreads.
>>157223505Why do you want soccer to be here so bad?
>>157223922by that logic more than half of the teams in the nfls games are entirely meaningless.
>>157223539Nobody would watch and teams would go defunct en masse
Trademark it as football and then take NFL to court and legally force them to change their name
>>157223505>how would you set up the US soccer system?the current system is not main issue. you may change it all you want but that will never make the sport grow much faster than it currently does. i believe americans should keep focusing on developing their own identity with football, do something that works for them, not try to emulate other systems.
>>157223561>By 1924, the combination of excellent pay and a high level of play drew talented overseas players, especially from Scotland and England, with 50 European internationals good enough to play for their national teams playing in the ASL. This led to a significant amount of resentment in Europe and threats of sanctions from FIFA, including the possible expulsion of the USFA.>However, resentment continued to simmer between the league and governing body. Matters came to a head in 1928, when the ASL decided to again boycott the Challenge Cup. When three ASL clubs, most prominently Bethlehem Steel, defied the league and entered the cup anyway, the ASL suspended them. In response, the USFA and FIFA declared the ASL an "outlaw league". This sparked the "soccer war".>However, the Soccer Wars had permanently crippled the ASL and it collapsed at the end of the 1933 spring season. Ironically, while USFA and FIFA "won" the wars and established their pre-eminence over the ASL, the spectacle of a U.S. athletic association conspiring with a European organization to undermine a U.S. athletic league alienated many U.S. sports fans by creating an image of soccer as a sport controlled by foreigners. These fans turned their backs on soccer, relegating the sport to the position of a minor league, ethnic-based sport for decades to come.Honestly we probably dodged a massive bullet here, bunch of fucking rats even back then.
>>157223707>>157223856The real main reason is that the league is about performance over the whole year and about playing everyone. I mean sometimes you have situations where team a can beat team b, and team b can beat team c but team a struggles against team c and sometimes loses to them. Rock, paper, scissors situations like that can happen in sport and knockouts pretend they don't exist. The only possible advantage to the playoff system is the games are more recent, but first of all do you philosophically want that, a year's league is a year, if you wanted that you could just alter the league system to give more points for recent results. Also perhaps more applicable to football than American sports is that a great team must be able to put away poor and mediocre teams. Otherwise teams will have more incentive to set up like Spain with little attacking flair. When games against bad teams matter just as much they are forced to focus more on breaking down the opposition, leading to more exciting games overall.
why do yuros hate playoffs and love pro/rel so much?
>>157225137>However, resentment continued to simmer between the league and governing body. Matters came to a head in 1928, when the ASL decided to again boycott the Challenge Cup. When three ASL clubs, most prominently Bethlehem Steel, defied the league and entered the cup anyway, the ASL suspended them. In response, the USFA and FIFA declared the ASL an "outlaw league". This sparked the "soccer war".UEFA is just copying us...
>>157225137>the spectacle of a U.S. athletic association conspiring with a European organization to undermine a U.S. athletic league alienated many U.S. sports fans by creating an image of soccer as a sport controlled by foreigners. These fans turned their backs on soccer, relegating the sport to the position of a minor league, ethnic-based sport for decades to come.lmao thirdies btfo
>>157225497It lets them protect their prestige teams from losing one random game and blowing the season while promoting the idea that some toiling bottom tier hamlet club can make it to the top some day.
>>157225113I think we may have this cycle. American footy is pretty work-heavy and likes altheticism and aggressive pressing. They don't really go chasing for stoppage via fouls
>>157226174>while promoting the idea that some toiling bottom tier hamlet club can make it to the top some day.that still happens. How many minor league teams ascended to MLB?
>>157226200How many of these teams lasted in the Premier league for more than one season?
>>157226182I liked how we were playing. A shame they abandoned the strategy against Belgium and instead chose to just turn the ball over every 0 seconds.
I would put them all in front of a firing squad and hire an army of hitman to seek and destroy any potential future united stadian footballer
>>157224275because we're just more of a rugby country. soccer is only liked in countries that didn't really have any other major sport to contend with it, with the sole exception being England. any country that had another sport option for kids to play in youth leagues, soccer is usually the second or third most popular sport. the US is no different, we just happen to have a solid five alternatives for kids to play (football, basketball, baseball, hockey, golf) so they all went into one of them instead. >>157223505no amount of money thrown at a professional league is ever going to make the sport genuinely popular here, what makes a sport take root is support for grassroots/youth leagues. and after about the junior (9-12 year old) level, only girls' soccer gets any support here. we'd have to do something like what Brazil does, with both a state and international league structure. each state has their own league with varying numbers of teams (Rhode Island for example probably could only support 5 or so teams in a single league structure, whereas California could easily have 30+ with promo/rele), and the top teams from each state also get berths into an interstate league. so a 50 team Interstate League, with say 5 tiers.
>>157226200>congrats, you get to be raped and gaped by plastic oil clubs and never even come close to winning anythingwow!
>>157223634they all switch to football and basketball within a generation.
>>157226241Plenty. Only once have all newly promoted teams been relegated the next season
>>157226323>the vast majority of teams are gone in 1 or 2 seasons>some teams dip down by accident and then go back where they belongSo what's the point of the Huntsville Humdingers moving up to the MLB just to go 2-160 on the season again?
>>157226254Your game against Paraguay was quite impressive. I thought this would be the most successful WC for the US in a very long time.
>>157226200we don't promote or relegate teams, we promote and relegate players. all minor league baseball teams are owned by major league teams, right down to the grassroot amateur bumfuck squads comprised of walkons and teenagers, so once you join that bottom rung team you're in the MLB ecosystem and could theoretically be promoted up their team ladder all the way to the majors. and this does indeed happen all the time. this is a discussion of American individualism vs European collectivism. we prefer promoting individual merit, you prefer promoting collective success.
>>157226380baseball is the #4 sport in america and does not deserve to be brought up as the "comparison" to soccerthe REAL system is College football -> NFL and to a lesser extent college hoops -> NBA
>>157226404Minor league baseball sells 40 million tickets a year
>>157226416over how many thousands of games? irrelevant. College football alone mogs baseball, minor leagues dont even come into the pictureKnow your place.
>>157226404>baseball behind hockeyare you retarded>>157226430>soccer - 2.0M30 million watched our game against Bosnia, 50 million against Belgium, and 60 million watched the final we weren't playing in. Get a new chart.
>>157226200for example, the Miami Marlins own the AAA Jumbo Shrimp (equivalent to EFL Championship), the AA Pensacola Blue Wahoos (equivalent to League One), the High A Beloit Sky Carp (equivalent to League Two), the Low A Jupiter Hammerheads (equivalent to National League), and the Rookie (NLS step 2-4 depending on league quality) FCL Marlins, DSL Marlins, and DSL Miami.
>>157226445>are you retardedare you?#1 NFL#2 CFB#3 NBA#4 MLBthis is being gracious and excluding college hoops, you're #5 if we count march madness.Also learn to read. See "yearly"? gimmick every-4-year tournaments+megabuffs dont count. Soccer's entry is the CL final.
>>157226457oh my god
>>157226463>uhhhh the real championship is this superleague thing that isn't even on cable here
>>157226430don't people watch superb owl for adds and a lady gaga concert?
>>157226556>soccerfags can't use this cope anymore:)>>157226509>noooo my shithole state/region doesn't have a good team so it doesn't countcope
>>157226479For me, it's the Montgomery Biscuits
>>157223505NFL 2
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>>157223505I wouldn't. The rest of the world has endless exposure to the American hegemon, I like that football is the thing we have where we don't have to listen to you guys.
>>157226572>:)
>>157226598>>157226620friendship ended with MLBnow MiLB is my best friend
>>157226572everyone I know did something else durring the "halftime shows" and there will never be anytging more pathetic than americans being exited to see new adds premiere.
>>157226666>beisbolpacos will never know the SOVL of college ballsad
>>157226680BTW little league softball world series is on right now. Japan vs Northeast (US teams are region-based)
>>157226724because it's funny and entertaining. why are Euros such dour spoilsports about everything?
>>157226763oh boy!https://youtu.be/fAB6las1fhM
Getting rid the pay yo play first will be a good thing
>>157226748>the sovl of college ball
>>157223505>Western conference, south/southeastern conference, great lakes and however much midwest you can pull in, and an atlantic corridor/northeast conference, winner of the conference goes to a 4 way playoff system>salary cap>get rid of title IX, invest as much money as humanly possible into setting up soccer fields across america>plug captain tsubasa/whatever soccer anime on all the kids networks, do adult swim bumps with goalazos, bicycle kicks, and goal of the week clips from epl/la liga>kill don garber>pro/rel
>>157226823softball, not baseball
>>157226927they'd fit right in with the NFL
>>157226831Pay for play isn't the problem
>>157226254I swear the Balogun Trump story put a fucking Hex on the US team, literally murdered the spirit that was brewing up to that point.
>>157228330Bro we got killed by them worse back in MarchIt shouldn't have been a shock
>>157224191We aren't a postage-stamp sized island. A league that excludes vast swathes of the country is DOA in terms of mainstream appeal, especially for a sport like soccer that is already fighting an uphill battle as it is.
>>157223505Side with the ASL and tell Europe to fuck off.
>>157223747You can do that in the 30s but ny the 50s America sees Europe as weak losers.
I would launder the money to a sport worth watching.
>>157224737I'd add, put in a fucking shot clock so we don't have to watch teams slurp the game away with endless faggy little horizontal passes like Spain does. No, you're not a cultured intellectual for watching that crap. The object of the game should be to score, not to waste everyone's time.
>>157224275Our greatest ally
>>157223505I would make it as terrible as possible and donate all the money to German football because a) we suck now and b) we don't need another rivalIf I were forced to genuinely try to succeed, I honestly wouldn't have much of a clue. I have a rough idea of what to do here, but no intricate details. But that's probably not what Americans like and what the sport needs to grow in the US
As President of the United States.I call FIFA a bunch of faggots.Call their "World Cup" a fake Cup.Host the AMERICA BOWL!Convince South America to boycott the World Cup and we form the AMERICA WORLD CUP!After WW2 I sieze FIFA and have them tried at Nuremberg.I order the CIA to fund Negro Soccer Leagues.
>>157228314Pay for play arbitrarily limits participation
>>157226291>we just happen to have a solid five alternatives for kids to play (football, basketball, baseball, hockey, golf) so they all went into one of them insteadgolf is too expensive. football is too dangerous for the new gen. baseball is getting expensive and takes a lot of skill to be fun. basketball is the only real competition, but it weeds out short people quickly.
>>157228730We have such high soccer participation because of pay to play. If we had the Euro system, they'd tell 95% of our kids playing soccer they'll never amount to anything and cut them from the academy.
>>157223505Put it indoors, cut the needlessly huge teams in half, reduce field/goal size to compensate, add air conditioning, put guys on skates to speed it upoh wait
>>157226200None of those teams have ever won the pre-1992 First Division or the Premier League, so no, they didn't make it to the top. They made it to being temporary fodder jobbing to the actual top for a few years until they're relegated back down again. You would have to be retarded to think this is worth celebrating or bragging about vs. diversity of actual champions at the highest level.
>>157228798>golf is too expensiveno it isn't. a junior club set is less than a hundred dollars, municipal courses have discount rates for kids and sometimes even have free days for them. I don't know about other States but here in Florida most high schools have golf teams who help cover the cost if you're on the team. it's legit cheaper to get into than baseball is, and baseball has been the defacto 'little league' sport for a century. there's a reason why, if you're count the number of people who actually play rather than just TV viewers, golf is the most popular sport in the US.
>>157228730The issue isn't participation it's getting kids into professional development pathways and there's really only 40-50 teams in the US that has something that can grt a kid from 12 to the senior teamPay for play clubs are mostly just to help rich kids get into collegeNothing more
>>157228837why should i care about a diversity of champions when pro sport is a business? they won their place at the top by out competing their opponents. do you think there should be some sort of mechanism to stop amazon and walmart from running every mom and pop shop out of town too? why should there be any mechanism at all to protect failing businesses like the browns, nationals, jazz, sabres etc from losing forever?
>>157228847If you're legitimately arguing that golf is less expensive than baseball at a recreational level, and this is not bait, then you are retarded
>>157223707Turning a league into a cup is nonsensical , you have a cup already
>>157226780cuz they hate jews
>>157229989It's a separate cup
>>157230030That is literally what I said
>>157230042What's wrong with another one?
>>157230045Why have two of the same competition instead of two different competitions?
Disband it and cash my check
>>157230053It's not the same competitionFa cups are random whereas league playoffs are based on league position
>>157228657Great idea, maybe once you've had the ball for 2 minutes you can no longer pass it back into your own half. The other thing I was thinking is that corner kicks should be given on some penalties (like the one above).
playoffs should be a final or only 4 teams
>>157230103>league playoffs are based on league positionIt's still a cup, having 2 cups instead of a cup and a league is nonsensical
>>157230144Sure let's just have it so a team with a bad start is doomed to at best mid-table mediocrity after the first month
>>157230186>a bad team is actually good!!1lol
>team with 5th most wins over 162 games is actually the best because they won 13 games in the fall
>>157223505Copy baseball, and mostly ditch college soccer.
>>157230290The point of sports is to entertain, not to determine a boring statistic
>>157230290Baseball playoffs are great. If you lose a 7 game series, you're not the better team.
>>157230186Yeah that's how leagues work, it's based on a season not one off games
>>157230485Boring and pointless
>>157229515>why should i care about a diversity of championsBecause sports are supposed to be fun, and it's boring when you can always pencil in one of the same 2-3 teams to win every single year forever. But maybe you see things differently in India.
>>157229989not really nonsensical if you consider the history of sports in North America and some of the geographic realities that result in conference/division alignment here.
>>157223707Because the unlimited oil money teams who run their leagues with an iron fist are scared to damage their brands by choking in them. Any other explanation is just an excuse.
>>157226254you don't think belgium tactically had anything to do with that? our press wasn't working
>>157229854>dweeb who has never been within a mile of a course trying to speak with authorityI golf, compadre. Courses have rental clubs, especially for kids. lower level courses have greens fees of $30-40 for 9 holes for an adult. driving ranges are about $20 including a bucket of balls. There's a million 5-10 year old decent clubs some "I can buy skill" moron is trying to offload on Ebay for 30 bucks so he can make space for his shiny new driver. I'm sorry your conception of the sport is seething California libshits saying it's the sport for only "uber wealthy boomer retirees", but you absolutely do not know what you're talking about so I suggest you shut up.
>>157230144>>157230485playoffs exist because historically the conferences in American sports were separate leagues. the playoffs were a postseason special event to put the champions of the two separate leagues together, essentially like the Euros in UEFA. the NFL and AFL didn't merge until 1970, the NL and AL in MLB didn't formally merge until 1999.
>>157231509so you play golf for 1 week and now are down over $200 in green fees. what type of rec baseball league are you playing in that costs $200 a week?
>>157231527The NFL implemented a championship game in 1933 after needing one in 1932
>>157231575when people talk about playoffs they're not normally talking about single championship games.
>>157231561nobody golfs every day, moron. if you want to pull that card, then in baseball you have to rent time at a batting cage which is usually as expensive (20-40 dollars). and further, unless you're a batter, you need multiple people to practise with. there's nothing stopping you from practising your swing at home or a public park, either. a bag of plastic/foam balls is maybe 15 bucks and you can hit them around your own yard without risk of hurting someone or damaging property.
>>157223505You need "semilleros". Get the niggas in the hood playing soccer. Build little courts everywhere. Sponsor youth clubs. Once a player gets famous, get them sponsorship deals where they can flash money and dab on how much bitches they get to fuck and weed they get to smoke. The European system will never work for USA, you need grassroots love for the game South American style.This can also solve the crack/fent epidemic since it's also a social aid tool to get these people help, get them playing sports and doing something useful.Above all it needs to stop being seen as a sport just for white middle class girls.Build from the bottom up. First the little hood associations. Those create the players. Then the big teams.
>set up massive, nation-wide free alternative to paid travel youth soccer organizations - free for everyone. may involve buying a bunch of youth travel soccer organizations and making them free>pay to have people from this organization go around speaking at every elementary school in america about soccer>after this is successful and these teams are built up with players, MLS teams draft teams across the country to be their "affiliates" - goal is for every possible jurisdiction to have multiple MLS affiliated youth squads for every age, where the MLS teams get first dibs on signing players that come through their youth affiliates>continue to subsidize these youth teams>lobby (with lots of $$$$) to allow players on professional contracts with teams in the US to play college soccerimplement this and give it 15-20 years and you'll be competitive for world cups. college soccer will serve the role of the pyramid in other countries by allowing talented players not ready for the top level a chance to develop, there will be much more robust youth level talent development that isn't prohibitively expensive for the average joe
>>157231733That's fucking retardedGiving thousands of kids free training but like only .5% get any professional development at all?What a waste
I would set the whole system up so the players would have to perform sexual favors for me and me alone in order to make any team. The coaches would be completely owned by me and I’d have a dictator like control over the entire system. Anyone who didn’t buy in would be taken out and disappeared. All to feed in to the sexual tournament at the end of the year where is pick the winner to be married to me. This is all for women but is do the same for the men since they’re all twinky fags anyway
>>157223505have south american teams like argentina, brazil, uruguay, etc bring their coaches and play and train regularly with the burgersdouble the funding of NFLmandatory scholarship programs for young soccer talents in all universities
>>157223505> MLS would retain 1st tier status, but have to share part of its profits with USL> MLS future expansions would be aimed for even more regionalization, meaning multiple but small conferences> USL would accept its place as 2nd tier, regionalize and focus more on development of players instead> Obligatory affilliation system between USL clubs and colleges> Creation of a National Sawker Development League 1 that would focus mostly on 5v5 futsal and beach football for kids under the age of 13> Creation of a National Sawker Development League 2 that would focus mostly on 7v7 football, and tactical 11v11 for high schoolers> Affilliation system between colleges and NSDL registered schools> Futsal, beach football and 7v7 football, propaganda for high school sawker development (development only)> Scholarship programs for kids who do well in the NSDL in which they move up to associated schools/colleges of a higher level> Creation of Regional Cups involving the best colleges, USL teams and MLS teams, with higher ranked teams only joining at the latter stages. Similar to Japan's Emperor's Cup.> Creation of State Teams for: NSDL1 (u13), NSDL2 (highschoolers), College; > Creation of State Team Cup involving all 50 states> Creation of yearly NSDL Invitationals where tournaments involving the best teams of NSDL1 and NSDL2 plus the best youth academies from each FIFA Confederation> Creation of some bullshit events where NSDL, College, USL and MLS teams can practice together, maybe some open practice type of thing> Push for the merger of CONCACAF and CONMEBOL into a single entity, with heavy emphasis on not losing any spots; OR, the creation of a joint continental tournament between both entities> Hollywood movies and animes about some guetto nigga rising to become the best players in the world and carrying the USMNT to winning the WC> Limit number of foreigners in MLSTLDR: Development pipeline, higher competition, cross level connection, propaganda, etc
>>157232783>>157223505Oh shit, just realized you said blank slate kekUh... I wouldn't change much from what I said except I wouldn't have USL and MLS be a thing at the same time. Instead I would have the top league be a cup between multiple MLS-like leagues which operate only in their own regions and share revenue between them. Like Conferences, but they don't interact. This way it would mimic what Brazil had before the enshittification: state leagues, regional tournaments and a national cup between the best teams of each. This guarantees that each region will have their own big boys, and then when they eventually get too big and you merge them, you will have many big boy teams that can beat the shit out of each other. I imagine with the salary cap and draft stuff of American leagues that system would be even more balanced. I believe that's ideal for a continental country.
>>157232783>>157232808Ah yes, broadcasting. Make as many games as possible free. Put it on youtube, give the rights to streamers, whatever.
I'd import hundreds of millions of people from countries that love soccer. Then I'd let nature take its course.
The problem with the MLS is that its not the best of the best and sports in america is overinflated with many great options. Whenever europe decides to stop pretending to have integrity for the game and does the world super league, having MLS teams host real madrid and manchester united will do more to spread the game than any academy
>>157231635You think a round of golf is $25?
why do euros love capitalism so much?they should embrace artifical handicaps and share like our socialist model
>>157233396not that guy but my local 9 hole is $23 before 4pmhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1bA8RKVZKeCY1DEjJpBF-pHGfHvHiNavh/view
>>157233675Can you rent clubs?
>>157233681don't think so, those 4 courses are city-owned so it might be different at privates
>>157233681my local university has a 9 hole golf complex with club rentals. I haven't thought to check elsewhere.
>>157223505>blank slate and unlimited money You are too pussy. Yeah I'm being serious. Whenever we tell you how shitty little towns in the middle of nowhere here produce a Julián Álvarez from a family that never had a pro athlete, you pussy out and claim your kids would die or some hysterical woman shit. >w-what do you mean the pitch is not perfect>w-whoa! the installations are not premium>wdym parents have to travel once a month to a tournament in a neighboring town>wow bud wdym I have to send my kid on his own on bicycle to the club or bus>wtf, making a small football club for kids in the middle of the suburbs? THAT'S AGAINST HOA!!In the end you do want to spend incredible amounts of money....and if blacks are not dominating you feel weird and uneasy and abandon the whole thing anyways. You are cursed for this sport, a tiny little town can do what a giant trillionaire city in the US could never.
>>157223505>pay to play sorts for IQ-- for profit youth academies need to deemphasize ball handling for combination play, tactics, vision>public schools need to have futsal K-12, and proper soccer teams only starting in Middleschool; Physical Education hiring needs to be 1 salaryman absorbing the training excercises of Assistant Professor temps specializing in the major sports coming in on a rotation[Gut Department of Education, give Athletics federal funding power to NIH]>Federal incentives lowered for bullshit Olympics niche sports and put that toward structured sporting initiatives for all the major sports>^to the point of scholarship applications by Academies, travel ball sports in general, for federal grants ect.MLS can't be hiring jobber journeymen from LATAM league washouts-- it's against the culture driving the sport (actual legacy Americans of means), and they should - if anything - strongly favor European lower division signings, and poaching Commonwealth countries + Japan/South Korea: there shall not be more than 40% LATAM foreign nationals per side. MLS has to remain a Late Spring to Early Fall sport, there isn't competing with foreign leagues' quality as entertainment, or the big domestic sports. College and below can do whatever. 'Relegation': never happening with the Franchise System. It CAN fly with the lower league(s) and/or College Soccer. The Solution is a lower bracket distributed across MLS regional divisions to form Groups. Each of the 6 Divisions has 5 MLS teams, and 3 of the Top College Teams (or more if it makes travel sense). MLS sides that finish LOWER than or with negative goal difference to their Division College Teams don't play MLS Cup Playoffs. College Teams receive funding that directly pays for teams' tuition, and the remainder is earmarked for that College's sports department 60:40 Soccer Dept vs. School's in General. Best of 3 is out. Copy Champion's League, home and away goals ect.
>>157235982Domestic Cup is gone. Split the country in half, 'Western & Eastern Conference Cups' -- the winners face each other for The Liberty Cup. Those three teams are the CONCACAF teams (3rd place is awarded to AWAY GOALS DIFFERENCE of the losers). NO FUCKING LEAGUES CUP with Leafs & Mexicans. Someone pays Alexi Lalas to stay off of the air. Keep Zlatan shittalking and Henry smooth talking as the main commentator voices on television. Let Eric Wynalda do whatever he wants with a blank cheque to unfuck youth to college ball. OH, and have Ichiro Suzuki buy or organize a Japanese feeder team like they did in lower division Bundesliga.
>>157223505>blank slate and unlimited money,1) Remove the salary cap2) Give every owner a 500M purse to spend every year3) Import every international star on ridiculous contracts I done it.
>>157223505Anyone who complains about pay to play should be shot in the street like a dogIt's clear you heard a buzzword and don't know or care about anything else
>>157231344I don't think they had anything to do with two guys in their defensive half not able to complete a pass to each other with no one around, no. Nor did they have anything to do with Matt Freese coming out of his goal zone to whiff on a clearance kick, no. They choked which this board is absolutely addicted to pointing out in all other circumstances where it didn't happen, but here they want to blame it on Trump >>157228330 because it's just /pol/ now.
>>157230290>team that won their first 19 games and lost their last 18 games is actually the best because no one else won 19 games
>>157223505Dictate it so by law it's called football, and American football is called nancy pansy sissy pissy little girly ball.
>>157223572The US is so big that it should only be the first one national
>>157223505By playing grid iron football instead of faggotrocious eurotrash sports. Alternatively by lobbying Congress to make it so we can legally deport any football fan for being unamerican.
Like anywhere else just start a pyramid.
>>157236617You don't really have a pyramid
>>157236499>no one else won 19 gamesyes
>>157236781>the best team is the one who lost their last 18 gamesYou do realize I looked up how many games there are in a Premier League season and that scenario is completely possible right? You have no problem with the best team of the season losing their last 18 games, but the team with the 5th best record winning a best of 5 and two best of 7 series is fake?
>>157236833i do think the best team has the best record at the end of the season, yes. other teams should've won more if they don't like it.the hottest team doesn't mean they are better, unless you think minnesota and columbus were the best hockey teams in 2016https://sports.yahoo.com/blue-jackets-victorious-in-unsustainabowl-extend-win-streak-to-15-games-022729202.html
>>157236883If the teams that lost to them were the best teams they wouldn't have lost to them.
>>157236906>doesn't know about variancemakes sense
>>157236930>NOOOOOOOOOOOO BEATING ME 4 OUT OF 7 TIMES DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE UHHHHH MY REGULAR SEASON RECORDcope
I wouldn't set up a single thing. I would listen. And that's what noone did.
>>157236940>MY ONE OFF IS MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE......IT JUST IS OKAY!!!!!!!!!!!yeah i see you, maybe we can give out championships weekly instead of only once a year
>>157231655This is the answer
>>157236950>one offI see the problem now. You can't count.
>>157236960true, it needs to be more than just 7 games though, maybe 9 or 13 or 162, then the best team will always win.
>>157236943Why does it feel like Tim Ream is in the highlight video for every one of our game losing goals against?
>>157236977yea but those 162 games matter infinitely less than the 3-5 games that come after it.
>>157236981because nobody highlights good CB play
>>157236977If the best regular season record makes you the best team why can't that team just win 11 more games? Are they stupid?
>>157236984only because some jewish commissioner said so to keep people interested in their shit teams.>>157236991>only 11why stop there?
>>157237002>NOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO PLAY ANOTHER 162 PLAYOFF GAMES FOR IT TO COUNTseethe
>>157236481So you are saying that a handful of disaster moments were because we abandoned the strategy?
>>157237011why not a single game? why do you need 4 wins when 1 is enough?
>>157230290I get what you're saying but we don't have balanced schedules in any sport
>>157237014Yes. Their defensive strategy up until then was to be on the attack at all times. They got in their own heads about it. Poch was literally just mumbling to himself on the bench. Complete and total mental collapse.
>>157237017How is 1 enough if they've decided it's 4? Maybe contrarianism is just a mental disorder.
>>157237025interesting enough, baseball actually could29x6, 3 home 3 away vs every team174 gamesthis would obviously destroy any interest in baseball, seeing as nobody cares until late august anyway
>>157237047>How is 1 enoughbecause you get a winner and a loser lol, 4 is just some scheduling convenience.
>>157237050>and here it is, the last regular season game, this one's for all the marbles!
>>157237060>my argument is so heckin clever i'll get him to say that 1 isn't enough which means 162 has to beWell congratulations you spiked my cortisol, what's the next step in your master plan?
>>157237073>162 has to beit could really be anything, see >>157237050 for balancei don't care about baseball
>>157223539this is a good start but I think you need to basically have like the 5th tier in some places with regional leagues (6th tier england equivalent). SoCal has 20 million people alone, 2x the population of Portugal. It could have 5 tiers of football itself. Extrapolate to Texas, Florida, NorCal, Pacific Northwest, New England, NYC, Chicago/StL etc etc etc.You get promoted from your region into a higher league sort of thing. Also allows grassroots and you don't need to pay some shit coach (the level of US coaching is horrible) to be on a "travel team".The big one is, no kid should have to travel more than 1 hour to get to a practice. I was pretty good at sports in high school, then my dad got a promotion. Turned into a rich kid, but we lived it butt-fuck nowhere. I could play for the school team, but the school team was ass and my high level sports days were over.
>>157237104>calls baseball jewish>employs the jewish culture of critique ideology against itdon't you have some VAT to go pay you yuroboo faggot
>>157237127i didn't call baseball jewish, i called playoffs jewish.a balanced schedule with enough games to basically remove all variance is the only way to determine the best team with 99% confidencecope and seethe as you like.
>>157237151>muh variance muh confidence intervalsStat nerds have ruined sports and need to violently exterminated.
>>157237163>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE IT FAIR AND BALANCED THAT DOESN'T LET ME WIN NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THERE MUST BE TONS OF LUCK INVOLVED WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHfaggot
>>157237188>winning three multi game series is luckYou literally just hate it because it's how we do it. You conceded single game eliminations because that's how the UEFA World Cup does it and you MUST gesticulate to Glorious Yurop. Faggot.
>>157237163> I want to talk about this topic, but I desperately don't want to understand it.
>>157237207>You literally just hate it because it's how we do it.i never said i didn't enjoy playoffs lolthe fact that you don't think luck is involved says a lot>what are injuries
>>157237040Lol
>>157237219>i'm just countersignaling btw people don't get hurt in the regular seasonok we're done here
>>157237207Bad baseball teams can sweep a series in the regular season bud
>>157237245If they just won 3-4 games in a row how are they bad? Are you just a Dodgers fan who's mad they have to actually play the games and not just win on paper?
>>157237230>people don't get hurt in the regular seasonnever said this, but a long season removes the variance of your starting pitcher's elbow getting destroyed right before the WSfucking retard.
>>157237253>MUH VARIANCE>THE WRONG TEAM WONWho the fuck cares? Fall down a flight of stairs while you fumble your $2 game program you kept score in you fucking faggot.
Buy Real Madrid and Barcelona and move them to LA and New York.
>>157237252>how are they bad?their record in the other games
>>157237215I don't want to talk about this retarded topic at all.
>>157237230i can't tell if this guy is retarded or just being obtuse. there's no way you thought this was a coherent response
>>157237271What does that say about the team that just got swept then? Cope.
>>157237266>Who the fuck cares?you do apparently, simply pointing out that playoffs don't determine the overall best team, but the hottest one, has you unraveling like thread at an old ladies quilting class.
>>157237272>i'm posting on the sports board repeatedly during work hours because I don't want to talk about sports
>>157237291What does crying about hot teams beating "the best" team have to do with sports?
>>157237284that they lost three games out of many. you're a newfag using words that you think help you fit in, but I have nothing to cope with.
>>157237299nobody is crying. And the topic i was referring to was sports. that's what I was saying you don't understand.
>>157237288>literally can't look at this without filling his colostomy bag
>>157237315i don't watch baseball, boomer
>>157237309>you don't understand sports now let me just use this calculus formula to determine the best team
>>157237325>a simple win/loss ratio is like calcus to anongrim confession
>>157237300>muh sekrit clubgo back to /pol/ with your fellow double digit IQ havers
>>157237339>dood the world series is retarded because the wrong team can win sometimes it's so much better for the season to end at 3pm on a thursday in augustI forget if you're the one who does or doesn't care about baseball but either way kill yourself.
>>157237151100% bitch made hands typed thatsports are about being great when greatness is needed not cumulative points and "remove all variance" I bet you never played a sport in your life
>>157237340>being so bad at reading that you don't realize this is exactly the thing someone was making fun of you for
>>157237353alarming number of green texts that people never said. it's a strawman festival for the unemployed today
>>157237353>the world series is retardednever said this>it's so much better for the season to end at 3pm on a thursday in augustdidn't say this either>>157237357>when greatness is needed not cumulative points and "remove all variance"we can remove the regular season altogether and just have playoffs from the start.
>>157237362I get that you're carrying on like five different reply chains right now but I think you got the wrong one this time.>>157237368>also posting during work hoursI'm happy that you found a group home with a working computer but I think maybe the other residents want a turn now.
>>157237382>nooooo i didn't word it exactly like thatimagine not understanding how greentexting works and calling someone else a newfag
>>157223505It wouldn't matter if we started all over because our culture is so fucked. I drive by massive youth soccer training facilities all over FL and we still suck. The problem is American narcissistic and 'me first' culture. No one cares about attaining to the height of a sport or vocation or skill or art in and of itself, it's all about what that sport or skill or vocation or art can 'do for' or give them. We would need a sweeping, widespread change to the fabric of our entire nation for us to ever reach the top of soccer. It's also why, despite our widespread cheating and rule bending every year, we're likely going to get surpassed by China in the next Olympics in both Golds and total Medals. China already tied us in Golds last olympics, which are all that matters.
>>157237406you are so fuming mad you don't even know what the argument is lol, go take a walk
>>157237410>china will win next time>the next time being at home>china won 58783275327 ping pong gold medals so they're The Best countryinsane how gay people are now
>>157237419The argument is you are Mad about how a team that didn't have the best record in the regular season can win the championship and are trying to point out how "absurd" this is by proposing every single possible alternative to determine the winner. You really aren't that clever.
>>157237385no, i was making fun of you for using the word "cope" when it was inapplicable because you're desperate to fit in. which is newfag/polfag behavior. pot kettle by you
>>157237420The dominated us in swimming. Take your 'patriotic to a retarded fault' hat off for a second, we're the bad guys right now.
>>157237433then why did you pretend anon was claiming a bunch of other stuff
>>157237433>you are Mad about how a team that didn't have the best record in the regular season can win the championshipnot at all, you should learn to read lol.
>>157237436I kind of got that's what you were trying to do but it was confusing because it didn't make sense at all. Why would the best team ever lose to the worst team?
>>157237438>WE'RE THE HECKERINO BAD GUISE RIGHT NOW
>>157237445I didn't? It was all to mock him for being a pansy.>>157237447I can't even accurately and plainly state his argument back to him without him completely abandoning it because of how ridiculous it looks.
>>157237449your reading comprehension skills haven't really shined so far
>upsets don't existholy lel
>>157237050interleague play is stupid and destroys the purpose of the World Series. they should add 2 teams for an even 32, split both leagues into two conferences of 8. this way each Conference plays the traditional 8-team 154-game schedule they did for 60+ years. playoffs are Conference v Conference semifinals to determine League champion, and then the world series for the MLB champion.
>>157237463Thats including mens and womens. Womens doesn't mean anything, only rhe mens do. They bested us at mens, and the French bested both China and USA.
>>157237469>all those greentexts that i fabricated and attributed to other people dun count
>>157223505I would offer a bounty to our Black overseas military members for each European white women impregnated. Letting European countries develop our players is a more pragmatic solution than trying to upend the economic and societal forces at play in American youth sports.
>>157237478>only the methodology where china wins countslol
>>157237463I mean we're the bad guys because since WWI we have slpwly been destabilizing the world. It's why more countries hate us.
>>157237475They do which is what bothers them so much. The best team followed all rules and regulations so why aren't they the champs???
>>157237498Why do you care? We're #1 in GDP which according to this thread means we're champions of the world or something.
>>157237512To me being #1 in GDP doesn't mean anything good. I'd argue that's a bad thing, especially relative to our enormous national debt.
>>157237481It's not really a fabrication to assume that you think you don't like the World Series if you say that you don't like championships being determined by playoffs.>>157237517Doesn't matter, those are The Rules. We must follow them...
>>157237501so the best team can lose?
>>157237501but you said that the team that wins is the best team, otherwise the team that lost couldn't be the best
>>157237523>>157237524And we've arrived at the point where you don't even know what side you're on anymore. Outstanding.
>>157237518>you don't like the World Serieswho said this?
>>157237518wrong but also all of these>>157237325>>157237253>>157237266>>157237230>>157237207>>157236940
>>157237534this is about the 4th time you've attempted to accuse someone else of the dumb thing you're actively doing.
>>157237534so you think the best team can't lose?
>>157237555>>157237571You know you can delete your posts if you want to change your mind right?
>>157237535Whichever one of you doesn't like baseball being decided by playoffs. It's not my fault that you can't comprehend implications.
>>157237583>you want to change your mind right?the irony, and here i was, thinking the best team couldn't lose.
>>157237498>buying into the third world copethe rest of the world has worked double overtime to subvert and undermine us because they lack the economic and military might to do it directly. literally every single problem we currently suffer originates either in south america or Europe. communism, feminism, gay pride? euro. massive crime and drug waves? Latin america. systematic destruction of our industrial sector and exports? China. get real, stand up for your own country for once.
>>157237596>doesn't like baseball being decided by playoffswho said this?
Cut salary cap, if owners dont like they can sell the team, cut taxes for players under 22 that join america from overseas, next is make regionals where schools play, and make sure pro teams academies watch to find players, reduce the cost of being a player to the max, another thing owners hate
>>157237583you quoted two different anons, and you seem generally confused. nobody changed their mind, but you did subtly contradict yourself.
>>157237598Yes you did, which is why you want to protect them from losing in the playoffs.>>157237605You did.>>157237650>two different anonsbold of you to assume
>>157237667where'd i say i don't like playoffs?
>>157237604>stand up for your own country for onceHe is, that's the problem. Flag unrelated.
>>157237671Somewhere up the page about an hour ago.
>>157237681sure bro, whatever you say
>>157226174You can still have your losing a random game making you a meme in stuff like the Champions League
Make something like little league world series for soccer and have it on TV in the earlier part of summer. Ditch the training academies in favor of cheap local small group drop-in training ($5-$10/head) and cheap local (non-travel) leagues (<$250/season) until kids are around 12 then they can start playing for middle and high school teams. Stop with the $5000/year 15-level pyramid local club travel teams for kids that will burn out before they hit 14. Good players will be very easy to identify, but you don't need to worry about them until they are about 14-15 or so. Allow kids to go pro (USL) at 16 if they are good enough, otherwise go to college. Pay the NCAA to promote college soccer more and SEC should have college soccer too. Also, promote the kids that do make it at 16, because you can get paid way earlier than other sports and not have to worry about school if you are really nice.We will have a slightly older (2-3) year difference in pro age, but thats about it. Have high school lacrosse be a different season than soccer so kids can play soccer and do lacrosse or wrestling in the off-season instead of cross country making them a bitch. Anything but cross country.Basically pour money into local youth soccer getting more kids to play and keep them playing until they hit puberty and decide to make it their main sport. The country is too big to make nearly a thousand soccer private schools. We already have two competing pro leagues plus pro indoor soccer too. Let MLS and USL continue to do their thing. I watch USL when baseball is not on because it comes on the same channel.
another thing i see is moving up game modes too quick, another year of 5v5, 7v7, 9v9 could really help the middle kids that haven't hit their growth spurt, which leaves them behind
>>157225137Jesus Christ I think we all dodged a bullet
>>157237604We let all those things happen. Our own country. I do stand up for my country, I oppose all those things. It's been a slow decay since WW1. Our ancestors took for granted we would always remain the most virtuous, religious, thoughtful, industrious and sincere nation on earth, but they were mistaken, and were careless, so here we are.
>>157223505It will never happen because football is an answer to the question "how do you have fun as a child when you have limited space and no money?" hence why it is popular in cramped cities. In America they have space fucking everywhere. It's actually too big, even the cities are too biv for football to thrive. In many European cities a kid can leave his front door with a football and immediately find 5 kids who will want to play just on his street. An American child leaves his house with a ball and has to walk 50 metres just to get to his closest neighbours houseSo really if you have unlimited money you invest in making American cities as dense and cramped as possible
>>157237759Europoor cope. Americans being able to kick a ball around their own yard is an advantage if we ever start caring about soccer.
>>157237759>It's actually too big, even the cities are too biv for football to thriveonce again, we thank the jews for that
>>157237759dude wtf are you talking about. basketball???
>>157237759>An American child leaves his house with a ball and has to walk 50 metres just to get to his closest neighbours houseIn America it's basketball, kids have hoops at their houses and at least when I was growing up as a 'kid' (10 to 18 years old) from 2002-2010, you'd leave your house with your basketball and bike to your neighbors house where everyone was playing, or the local rec center, or the park. It's why we dominate everyone in basketball, basketball is the American 'soccer' for all intents and purposes. Same with American football, we'd play two hand touch in the streets or go to ansoccer field and play tackle football there, ironic that we actually would go to soccer fields but never play soccer lmao.
>>157237788Retard. Football is the best sport for having limited space. With lots more space, especially for children, the game loses its appeal. Ywn know the feel of playing football in back alleys, or making a brick wall with spray paint a goal and playing 66 seconds, playing nut meg rush in the street on the way back from school or even just the idle joy of playing kick ups while you wait for your friend to come out. I'm sure with a large back garden there are plenty games more fun than football but in the city there is nothing more fun that football and that's why it will never work in the US, because why play football when you have so much space.
>>157237759>>157237857>bong thinks he understands America because he watched some movies
>>157237856>>157237845Not the same>>157237881I've been to at least 15 states and countless cities. You guys just don't have the layout for it
>>157237895It's exactly the same culture, just around basketball and american football and not soccer.
>>157223505You don’t have to do anything. Some washed up stars have joined the mls Messi, Lewandowski, Suarez, and the rest. Hype up the mls on espn, have Stephen a smith screaming and people will go watch the games and kids will go to the games.Americans don’t have a bad system, they literally just don’t care. Have Stephen a and skip do Messi Ronaldo debates.
>buy Time Machine (trademark)>kill Teddy Roosevelt (or convince him to leave football the bloodsport it was for only college men)>promote soccer as pastime for poor people because “all you need is a ball!”That’s what it will take.
>>157223505Depends on what you're trying to achieve. Set up a new system for what? To become the most popular sport there? It's not happening, you can't buy that with money, not in the real world. Want to win a WC? Start giving promising foreign young players citizenship and benefits, build good training facilities for them to develop until a certain age, let them play overseas for big clubs, never stop calling up the best ones for the NT (U-17, U-20, etc). Keep doing this and within 10~15 years you will have real chances at winning a WC.>but they would be just mercenariesWho the fuck cares at this point.Now if you want to have a league like EPL in America then just remove salary and ownership caps, it will take a long time but the market itself will do everything that's necessary.
>>157237693There should be at least one drop in coach per 10k people. No scheduling, just drop your kid off for like 45 minutes and they get to work with small groups for $5/head. $10 goes to the local league, the coach keeps the rest, open coaching like 4-6 nights a week. The coaches are teenagers/college/grad student type deal its a part-time gig that pays pretty well and starts building a coaching pipeline early. I know most of the refs in my area were also kids doing it part-time. There should be a college soccer video game with both men and women's soccer. More soccer media for kids that is US based/focused (no euro shit). Stuff like Friday Night Lights/Varsity Blues/Remember the Titans but for soccer. In TV shows, have the jocks play soccer. Music artists should have lyrics about playing soccer instead of basketball or football. Open Cup needs to be promoted WAY more. For college soccer, you could have an open cup style tournament with juco/D3/D2/D1, plus conference championship, and divisional championship, so three in-season tournaments/hardware/competitions to shoot for.
>>157237857a soccer field and football field are functionally the same size, give or take a few yards. if millions of american kids have no problem finding space for football, the same can be said for soccer.
>>157238879>video gamereal college soccer can't get butts in seats, precisely four people would buy an NCAA soccer game. wake me up when there's a college softball game with a good budget behind it.
All of this is cheaper than trying to build and staff at least one private school per 100k-150k people per metropolitan statistical area. There's about 360 MSAs with at least 100k people. People are talking about trying to find some kid in the middle of nowhere and convince their family to pay for them go to private school at like 10 or 11 in the nearest city the person who runs the academy probably did not even want to live in. MSAs like Chico, Joplin, Yuma, Bowling Green, Evansville, Fargo all need like two academies (if you wanted to build them) or you would be missing out on like six pro players a year.
>>157223707It's an artificial attempt to create higher stakes matches at the expense of finding a rightful winner. It would be pathetic if the Premier League introduced it, for instance.
>>157226323>using an article from 2023>just before two seasons in a row where it happenedI missed this thread at first but fucking hell lad, check your facts next time.
>>157223505>make it closed pyramid>only allow 20-30 owners to own the league>make sure that no worthwhile investment happens in lower divisions so that youth players have no options>make the regular season a joke and force playoffs where everyone gets in, that'll generate artificial excitement that no one gives a fuck about>do nothing about the product on the field aside from making my league into a retirement home league for 40 yo players from Europe>invite gay faggot commies, shitlibs, nerds and losers that were bullied by Chad and Stacy in high school as fans of this league so that the league is perpetually a reddit Antifa gathering, ensuring no Americans ever watch it.>call it Major League Soccer, a name that is a farce and a parody of its actual status in the global sport just because>continue being a gay jewish homosexual that subverts the sport here because I don't give a shit about anyone else only that my investment generates returns for myself and myself onlyThat's what I would do.
>>157223505I don't think you can create a fanbase just by pouring money into a sport. It takes time and starting small. You need to cultivate a hobby gradually and let it grow organically. I would choose a state and form clubs by city within that state, then create a state league. I would foster camaraderie among players from different cities, promoting healthy competition—something not too difficult since it's a niche sport. Over time, local sports heroes, rivalries, and more fans would emerge. From there, the sport could expand by pouring money into it.
Instead of trying to built it top down, make it bottom up. Built soccer pitches across the country and encourage young people to play and form teams. Organize local leagues and a national cup in which all teams can take part. As they grow and professionalize, divide the leagues into tiers with relegation and promotion.
>>157243607There's already a national cup like this and nobody cares about it
>>157237857Most of our population lives in urban areas m7
>>157237681Bet you can't find the post (because it only exists in your head, retard)
>>157223505Embezzle the money and run away to a tax haven without extradition
>>157224528based and world peace pilled
>>157243751The players care.
>>157243891right but the lack of interest results in most of the potential best players never getting involved in the sport, which is the primary issue at hand.
>>157223539-Promotion/relegation already exists (USL), but is otherwise financially untenable for our biggest leagues. As other anons have hinted to ITT, the US did have strong leagues historically that functionally disappeared bc of financial problems-regional leagues already exist (I played in one, it’s one step above amateur with most players having played at the collegiate level), but they’re not connected to one giant pyramid -teams are naturally concentrated around cities (hence why most of our national team players come from the same handful of regions/urban areas)-the US open cup is more than a hundred years old, granted, about 40 years younger than the FA cup but there’s still history there-Americans love playoffs because they’re addicted to underdog stories, though I do think that it rewards teams who have a string of mental fuck ups somewhere in their season whereas in most leagues elsewhere, that gets punished by just missing the league titleHaving actually played soccer here, the problem is simply cultural/institutional knowledge at the youth levels. Soccer is THE most popular sport at the youth level despite all the bitching and whining about accessibility, it’s just that nobody knows how to develop kids for the long haul. It’s all about winning, even with 5 yos running around the field like mice. The *only* fix is time. That’s it. You need time for adults who played soccer to raise the next generation of kids to play a bit better then them and then rinse repeat over decades. Nobody seems to talk about this as much as “wahhh soccer is structurally fucked in the US causing our players to not reach their true potential (TM)”. It’s basically the same line of reasoning as black people complaining about institutional racism for all of their problems when it’s simply their own culture holding them back.
>>157244043you're telling me that yet another yurpoor had a strong opinion on this without building the minimum required knowledge of the situation first?
>>157244043>Americans love playoffs because they’re addicted to underdog storiesWhy isn't the US Open Cup more popular then?
>>157244046It’s not just europoors, it’s also other Americans whining about “pay to play” when there already are cheap/free ways for youth to play soccer in the US. I live in a city that’s majority black (St. Louis) and you see plenty of poor black kids playing soccer but in leagues hosted by organizations like the YMCA. The coaching they get is obviously shit-tier, but you can’t fix that with a magic wand. You need time for people to have played to then volunteer in these organizations. But like most problems in the US, people blame some “thing” rather than admitting we simply suck.
>>157244068It IS popular (for people who actively follow/participate in soccer here in the US). Lower tier teams get $$$ and the winner gets a CONCACAF champions league spot.
>>157244074there are cheap ways to play, but there are limited opportunities to get the most out of all the talent. those kids aren't getting high level training at the YMCA.
>>157244086There's no reason to give every kid professional development
>>157244105of course not, but there's a difference between YMCA for 8 year olds and getting the right support for 100s of thousands of pre-teens who are on the cusp of getting really good or not. that's how you maximize a talent pool
>>157243607we do this. there are probably more public free use soccer fields in the country than any other sport. kids use them to play catch or tag football (american kind)
>>157244086>those kids aren't getting high level training at the YMCAI agree, and the only way to fix that is for YOU to volunteer and help. US scouting sucks? Go advocate for the poor kid, talk to their parents and let them know that their child has *it* and that you know some academies that’ll provide a scholarship if they can make it to practice. Maybe pitch in and help their kid get to practice. If you care about youth soccer, then actively try to help.
>>157244115most middle and high schools have a soccer team. that's how kids get into baseball and football here and the NFL and MLB aren't spoiling for players
>>157244135can't stress this enough. It's a big deal that this isn't the sport that kids casually play in the street/pickup in the local field. In the absence of that unstructured skill development, we have to lean on a broken formal system of organized teams, replete with leech ass coaches and people who don't know enough about the sport
>>157244115There's no way to get thousands of kids cheap professional development with professional clubs with senior soccer and we have like 40 of those50 if you're being generous
>>157244168high school is too late. notice how other countries that care abotu baseball seem to punch way above their weight? Notice how NBA is being swamped with foreign talent even though ~15 countires give a fuck about basketball?
>>157244178that's the point of the thread. if there were unliminted budget, then you could have a bunch of training organizations subsidized by magic money in the OP. in the absence of magic money, academies need to rely on revenue that doesn't exist because of limited interest. hence the issue of our team being stuck in the 12-25ish world ranking
>>157244145>i love the national team so i drive strange kids to practicebased grassroots supporter
>>157244043>Promotion/relegation already exists (USL)usl doesn't have pro/rel
>>157244219it will in>2 more years
>>157244198Training organizations would do absolutely nothing without first team minutes
>>157244225it would basically be free to play travel teams, who would in theory compete with academy teams and other clubs of the same ilk
>>157244168those teams are dogshit lol.who are the best american MLB players? and isn't the NBA dominated by foreigners as well?nobody else plays gridiron
>>157244232Again useless because there's still no path to actual professional soccerYou're lacking any mechanism to turn a promising player into a professional one
>>157244248so you're saying there was no path for 75% of our current team to professional soccer? it's the same path that exists today, but it doesn't exclue pre-teens based on income
>>157244257Actually it's much worse than thatLike there's only a pathway for 1% of kids in soccer academies to professional team minutes
>>157244272how is it worse to expand what already exists without removing anything that already exists? of course most players won't make professional teams, that is necessarily the case everywhere in every sport. We're talking about the way to maximize the quality and size of talent pool for high-school age kids who then go finish in the best places possible. you're literally arguing that abandoning many of the 12 year olds is better for the talent pool.
>>157244283Because subsidizing these academies so poor kids can play means instead of improving the soccer skills of future stockbroker you're improving the soccer skills of factory workers and Walmart employeesPretty much every single soccer player in Europe is in a professional club by the time they're 12. Even Jaime Vardy, the working class player, was playing for Sheffield Wednesday when he was 9.
>>157244187not really. no different than little league baseball, and most football players don't pick it up until high school. >>157244237>muh Japanese baseballthey start in middle/high school too, same as us. >foreign NBA playersbecause American basketball revolves around ghetto kids trying to farm clout and highlight reel dunks rather than actually play, so they get fodderised by anyone who bothers to learn fundamentals. the average NBA player today would get his shit pushed in by the likes of Magic or Bird.
>>157244313>insteadincorrect. that's the point. it's not instead. you're subsidizing mostly people with no chance in order to foster the small handful with a chance. it's shocking that this needs to be explained to you. Considering we don't have the interest to have the same number of professional teams, how can you apply hypothetical unlimited funds to replicate that effect as much as possible?
>>157244342you're confused bud. football players who start in high school aren't competing with a world full of players who start at a younger age. And it's noteworthy that many of the good QBs are training from a very young age these days, even if it's not full tackle 11 v 11
>>157244342>so they get fodderised by anyone who bothers to learn fundamentalslike.......someone with professional training from a young age?
>>157244410dumbass doesn't realize he just made the argument against himself
Americans taking a predictably jewish approach to sports development I see. Social economics, box ticking, and money at the forefront of their minds.
>>157244410it's because they're white, dawg.
>>157244492somebody has to pay for shit. Euros view money like children because Mama Government pays for everything and they can't connect the dots enough to figure where that money comes from.
>>157244503the foreign professionals?or the ghetto kids?
>>157244518yeah, euros don't understand that our gov needs to spend its money on military, old people, and healthcare
>>157244545We barely spend any money on the military
>>157244545>government should fund my hobbiesgrow up.
>>157244598who are you quoting
>>157244588You spend nearly a trillion on military and pay over a trillion on debt interest. You clearly spend a hell of a lot of money on both. What you meant to say is "Well its a fraction of our GDP" because you're short sighted and retarded defending that orange retard to the bitter end, or you're jewish. If you werent jewish, you'd be thinking "Could this money be better spent". >>157244518Is this you by any chance? Screenshot it.
>>157244630we spend more than twice as much on welfare compared to what we do on the military. >overfunded militarywas always been a lefty talking point to try and shame people into voting for disarmament so Soviets or China could become the preeminent world power. no surprises the politicians who promote that stance take shadow payments from one of those nations.
>>157223505>If you had a blank slate and unlimited money, how would you set up the US soccer system?I would grease the necessary palms to ban soccer as a male sport
>>157244612you, bitch. own your own arguments.
>>157244518>>157244545>>157244598>>157244656Screenshot this anon You're posting nonsense. Nonsensical ranting. Making things up. Accusing people of saying things they haven't. You're happy to fund certain things but not others, largely based on politician bias and identity politics. Not what is in the interests of humans. You don't give a fuck about the sport, you don't give a fuck about your fellow americans, never mind other people around the world. All you care about is yourself, and winning two party politics. You're a complete dickhead That mentality, should be kept out of sport.
>>157244698>you want to fund your national defence but not children's hobbies? hypocriteyou're not even attempting to argue in good faith. why are Europoors always such slimeballs?
>>157244503>giannis>white
>>157244698>soccer is the "interest of humans"you're not necessarily wrong about parts of your post, but the bigger package you're fronting is just as retarded.
>>157244698Your youth development is paid by the clubs themselves, not your government
>>157244656We don't spend $2 trillion a year on welfare. You're just making up facts.
>>157244693i never said that though
add a premier league to NCAA soccer, have the south go ape shit about alabama or florida getting relegated and duke or north carolina getting promotedcollege sports is the only thing remotely similar to european club structure, regional and passionate, taking children at a young age for scholarships (club training) away from academia to compete in sports
>>157244771yes, we do.>27% on medicare, medicaid>19% on social security>14% on unemploymentmore than half our national budget is subsidising poor people. fucking retard. >>157244779why are you such a slimy double speaking faggot? what do you gain from it? you were clearly being sarcastic implying that we are "wasting our budget on the military" when we could be spending it on youth sports. this was either your argument, or you were making a nonsense non-sequitur. which is it? are you a retard or a faggot?
>>157244711You see sport as a business. Not a sport. Not a physical activity. You see money, before personal develop and the wider benefits of physical activity on society. You're willing to fund military. But not healthcare, education, transport, environment, welfare, housing. Two party politics is your identity, its who you are, all roads lead to it. You're literally that guy>>157244723Of course its in the interests of humans and society as a whole. You're clueless about sports development and human development. All you're doing is your two party politics shill. I don't care about it. Have you not cottoned onto that yet. Your society is unhealthy. Your society is deeply divided and fractured in many regards. Don't tell me a sport that improves health and social cohesion isnt in your interests as a human. Its not in your interests though is it, you're shilling something entirely different, the complete opposite. >>157244758I live in a small town. It has probably 30 grass pitches with goal posts maintained by the local council and an artificial turf pitch. The local football club, which recently built a new stadium without private equity, as part of a wider regeneration project, also including an artificial turf pitch with they rent out (at reasonable cost) to locals. Sport is part of society, not a separate business. The jewish american mentality "Can I make money from this" "No, well fuck that" "Will niggers benefit? Will it be good PR for democrats?" The intelligent person "Does this improve society. Does this improve development outcomes. Does this save money in other areas. Are the benefits worth the funding. Are we willing and able to fund it. How do we fund it. Is this part of our culturally identity" etc etc thats not even touched upon football clubs and our footballing pyramid, which is completely non-existent in the USYou don't have the foggiest idea about sports or human development, you're just doing your usual shill.
>>157244804why don't you understand the words you read and write?i never said we SHOULD spend the money on soccer, i said we have more important things to spend it on, like military and healthcareyou took this as some slight and conjured up the idea that i personally WANT the gov to spend money on kids soccer
>>157244826>like military and healthcareAre you willing to spend less on military and debt interest, to have universal healthcare?
>>157244630I say let's kill all the boomers and spend the money on bombs to target brown people with
>>157244046The scenario asked for a blank slate so the current state of association football in the US is irrelevant.
>>157244851i personally would love to spend less money on healthcare so we could have universal healthcare, since it'd be cheaper n all.
>>157244824I'm with you anon. I posted >>157237410 and still stand by it.
>>157244824>>157244872I'd take a lot more of what you say seriously if it weren't for the fact your state funded theater and television programs promote the most overt socio-political corruption imaginable: DEI, disfigurement or complete deatruction of gender roles, gays and trannies. The UK does this more than any other country. It'd be one thing if it were private wntities doing it but it's state funded. Doctor Who basically became a mouth piece for gay/tranny ideology and so has your theater, with it's genderswaps and editorialization of the greatest English speaking playwrite to ever exist in Shakespeare. The majority of modern film and television thematic corruption can be traced back to the UK.
>>157244931The thread is about development of football in the US. You've ended up talking about the UK and Doctor Who. Stop using the problems of another country, to deflect from the problems in your own. The only things you care about are yourself and shilling the republican party. That transcends into your views on sports development.
>>157244043Ok, so you already have the foundations. Imo you just need time. I guess you just can throw money into promoting soccer (football) so the fanbase grows but I think you just need to be patient.
>>157245012I wasn't that other anon. I'm just saying your country isn't free from what amounts to socio-political corruption either, so your points ring a little hollow.
>>157244804social security and medicare aren't welfare.
>>157244824you typed a bunch but "of course [being top 5 instead of top 20 in global soccer] is in the interest of humans and society as a whole" is so stupid and delusional that you should be embarassed and go back to whichever board you came from when the world cup started. holy shit lol
>>157223505I’d ban men in the US from playing it, declare it a sport for girls, and field a full squad of MtF trannies to dominate the sport for the next 100 years
>>157223539ever been destroyed as a hobby player by a fifth league shitter. no? it teaches respect.
>>157245012lol who shilled the republican party ITT?
>>157237488sometimes the best solution is the simplest
>>157244826>important things to spend it on, like militaryyeah lad just spunk a few more billions up the wall because your israeli masters told you to v. important stuff
>>157246430I'd rather spend trillions to kill brown people than give seniors more for another yacht, yes
>>157223505I would give all the money to myself and shut the system down permanently.
>>157246455the trillions spent is buying seniors yachts tho
i'd close it all, men and women nationals and the leaguesopen a porn studioand profit
>>157246482...y-you're al-already doing that mls-dono....
>>157244824>You see sport as a business. Not a sport. Not a physical activity.This is a bizarre thing to say when European soccer is the most ruthlessly hypercapitalistic business in sports, with no salary cap, wild-west style player movement, teams becoming the pet projects of Saudi princes and Russian oil barons, and every league's target audience being bandwagon fans in India and Nigeria. Meanwhile most American sports at least pretend to care about competitive balance and have common-sense rules in place to prevent the competition from devolving into who can spend the most, and there are some teams that are still owned by the families who founded them. I would say that we see sports as athletic competition and entertainment, while yuros are living in a delusional dream world where it's still 1973 and a club like Leeds United or Derby County can actually win something at the highest level without needing a miracle. We aren't perfect, but you can't bear to admit how soulless your consoomer product has become, so you project onto others.
>>157223505Relegation, get rid of commie salary cap, buy talent around the world, join libertadores
talk to ze germans and see if I could extrapolate their system after euro 2000 embarrassment and see if it could be extrapolated to roughly 4x the population and 28x the land size.
>>157247613Some of his points are true, but his general reductions are false. With the internet, there aren't really socio-political differences in the west anymore. Not broadly speaking, anyway.
>>157237881I've seen High School Musical 1, 2 and 3, retard. I think I know a thing or two about American sports.
Gather every soccer player together in one place, drop a gigantic atomic bomb on them and then use the rest of the money for something else less boring.
>>157247613It's like any other aspect of European society, currently. It works if it's just Europeans involved and you have local businessmen funding their hometown clubs. As soon as you open the floodgates to the rest of the world, the whole system is ripe for exploitation.
>>157226200I miss Pompey
