>they have the money>they have the best league>they have large experience and expertise>they have the passionWhy is it taking them so long to win the wc again?
>they have the players>they have the coachpick neither kek
>>157284798the best players from their league are all foreigners
>>157284798Having the best league isn't always great, it means domestic players have a hard time getting play time themselvesAlso, the passion can easily backfire, as can be seen with England from time to time. Pressure is enormous, expectations rise very high as soon as any good result comes along. Media everywhere. It's not easy to deal with that
lack of good domestic coaches and lack of domestic player developmenta foreign coach has never won the world cup for a reason
>>157284798As other anons said, the best Premier League players are foreigners. Their national team is full of ngubus and doesn't have the cohesion that winning teams do. People jerk off over their market value, but teams that don't have the "best" players on paper or in terms of market value can still win big if they function well as a team and the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. This has never been true of England, at least not since 1966.
>>157284798They have the choke gene in their DNA.They blame the coach every single time they lose.They wildly overrate and coddle their players.
>>157284798There is var now
>>157284979There wasn’t var between 1967 - 2018
>>157284798we would have easily won the last two world cups and the last two euros if our fa didn't appoint retarded managers who are incapable of not parking the bus after going 1-0 up
>>157285115>blaming the coach againThis is why you lose. You can't accept that your players are deeply flawed. Last month, England lost possession and momentum to Argentina at least 15 minutes before Tuchel began the defensive subs to salvage England's lead. Tuchel initially told them to keep pressing, but the English players couldn't maintain that, just like they couldn't maintain a defensive wall against a much better team than Mexico. What exactly did Harry Kane and Jude Bellingham do during that entire game which was so awesome and justifies all the hype they get?
>>157284798They overpay insanely for their own players between the same league's teams due to and sign good foreigners, also at ridiculous costs. And EPL is like the NFL here in in a sports marketing sense, which started way back when I was growing up which has helped allow EPL overspending.
>>157285146>Argentina againFuck off, shill
>>157285146>coach does the same thing as the last coach>"omfg are you blaming the coach again?!?!?"retard
>>157284798>they have the best leagueIn case you haven't noticed, most of their league is made up of imported ngubus, not English players. >they have the passionRandom third world countries have tons of passion, it doesn't mean anything.
>>157285115You have it entirely backwards. Your coaches park the bus BECAUSE your fans and media do nothing but hurl abuse at them and blame them for everything. No coach is going to be comfortable taking big risks and playing super aggressive when they have no job security, will get 100% of the blame when things go wrong, and are given a roster of players who aren't actually as great as the media/fans insist they are. If Tuchel hadn't gone conservative, you would have lost even worse and he would have been fired before he even walked off the field. England needs to develop better players if they want to play like the big boys do, and a big part of that is you all have to stop coddling them and blaming it all on the coach when they lose.
>>157285268If the players started parking the bus even when Tuchel initially told them to keep pressing, then that's on the players, retard. If the players can't even man-mark and defend properly despite having a height advantage, then that's the players' fault, retard.
>>157284798They always have good teams but not the "best teams" at the tournaments. I would say the only time they had the best players in the world all in their national team was 2006 but muh premier league rivalries got in the way and their coaches refused to bench the fraud Gerrard and played Scholes in wide positions. Now most of the best players in England are foreign, they scout abroad in their academies and being "home grown" adds a surplus to your value because it is so hard for teams to justify getting high level Bongs in their squads.
>>157284798They are pecho frio
>>157284798They don't have balls.
>>157284798they spend it all on breeding their white women and create a generation of Jackson-Smiths
>>157284798Curse of Argentina which has afflicted all of their main football rivals post-2014 (Germany, Brazil, the Netherlands) and in England's case post-1966.
>>157284847It's the most obvious thing. I thought OP was larping. But Brazilians might literally be IQ70 on average
An ingrained inferiority complex when wearing the England shirt, which is ironic considering so many anti-English people think the complete opposite is true.It's 100% in the mind. We are dazzled by anyone wearing a Brazil shirt, Argentina shirt, Italy shirt; doesn't matter if the players wearing them are absolute dogshit, we put them on pedestals and play within ourselves.
>>157284798mental midgets
the best england players play in foreign leagues
>>157284847>>157284867>>157284950>>157285280Having the best league doesn't really hurt at all. Yes a lot of the best players are foreign, but the money the league brings and the requirement for home grown players for registration rules means all the teams invest massively into local talent development. The English pyramid is also by far the deepest in the world from the Championship down to the National League, giving any talented player plenty of playing time at a decent level. The fact that the top Prem teams are full of foreigners doesn't really mean talented English players don't just get loaned out to the Championship for experience. The real answer is they just haven't been able to put it together because of random variance. They don't hire the right coach or play with the right style or all their best players play similar roles. If you look at the depth of talent they're producing, it's probably second only to France in the past decade.
>>157289836"Random variance" my ass. They had one ancient World Cup rigged for them and have consistently won fuck all else for decades. It's not random, they just aren't the absolute top-tier soccer nation that their media deludes them to think they are and the results reflect that, they might even be a little better than they should be. They aren't producing better players than Spain, they didn't even have better players than Argentina's washed-up retirement home squad. They're overrated.
>>157285115I am argie and I agree with this. You could have ended us there. Tuchel was a retard.
>>157289930>hurr generics from multiple decades agoin 2026 our squad is number 2 or 3 in the world, regardless of whether the shitters from 10 years ago or 20 years ago were overrated
>>157284798>EPL> Pays 5 times the average La Liga sallary>You play in a shitty uncompetitive team whose stragegy consists of "patapum p'arriba" score then park the bus>You play next to three other Englishmen in that team, pacey winger Nbombo Mbomba, dumb as a brick 2 m CB Johnny McJohnson and tap-in CF Harry Harrelson >La Liga>You play next to 10 of your bros that you've been playing with since middle school>Kino coaches since early stages teach you to play the mental game and pass and be aware of your surroundings>Every player has the brain of a #10
>>157284798Brazil needs it more than England
>>157290113FIFA and to a lesser extent ELO ratings are a joke. No way is Mexico a top 10 or top 15 team. They farm points against easy CONCACAF competition.
>>157289836How's the vacation, Nigel?You're overdoing it a bit
>>157284798They have good players but dogshit mentality. They always break under pressure, it doesnt matter the quality of their opponent or what their coach wants.
>>157290143Sad this guy has never seen Brazil win
>>157284798Harry Kane is too weakmind for us to win a major trophy
because they take all that and put it into hands of a german fraud and then they are surprised it didn't work
>>157284798It is funnier when they don't. Also chasing the dream is more important than reaching it or some other cope.
>>157289969It isn't Tuchel, we don't have enough players who can handle big game pressure. Maybe one or two can do it but it's no fun when you're surrounded by 9 pecho frios.
The pressure of playing for the most successful national team of all time is too much for some of the modern-day players. But that's okay, I'm sure we'll add to the tally one day even if it is in 20 or 50 or 100 years.
Why the fuck did they let a non-English coach be the coach? Literally cuckholding
>>157291457Why don't you revive the Home nations championship with England fielding U23s?
>>157291887NTA, but when could you? Calendar-wise, I mean. There are Euros at pretty much every age level (and England have actually been doing quite well with the u21s) and in any case u23 isn't really a thing here, seeing as we don't enter the Olympics (2012 was an obvious exception, and that took a lot of negotiations) and when it's not the Euros/Nations League it's the World Cup.
>>157292010Perhaps during the Olympics. Play 3 matches knockout style at wembley one year, next edition play in Scotland, and so on. And if you field all U23 for England and some U23 for the rest then you basically have something similar to the Olympics calendar and age wise.
>>157292187That's actually not a bad answer. I think it would lose something of the ... heritage (for want of a better word) not being every year, though, and it's still going to run into the problem of increasing player fatigue/burnout. Or you have essentially second string teams competing (the good lads being either in the u21 or senior squads anyway). Don't forget an Olympic year is also a Euros year.I don't want to be a naysayer, it's an intriguing idea but I think that the international calendar has been ruthlessly optimised.
>>157284798>they have the best league
To win the world cup you need the power of friendship unironically. English players are very shallow, full of ego, divas, then the English fans hates every coach so nobody wants the job
>>157284798Because Spain and France are betterShould have been Argentina but wouldn't have beat Spain
Too many neets with too many tv loicenses
>they have the moneyforeign money>they have the best leaguefilled with foreign players>they have large experience and expertisedoing something badly for a long time is not really a good thing>they have the passionthe fans do but that doesn't win you trophies
Pound for pound Uruguay has the better history
>>157284798because football is a low IQ sport in England. coaches are anti-intellectual, any attempt at constructing a philosophy is ridiculed.
>>157284798Clubs in the country have no interest in developing home talent when they can just buy players from all over the world. Which to be fair doesn't excuse our performance in years prior, but still. It's a big factor these days.
>>157294269trvke
>the best leagueThe best clubs in the world are Real Madrid, Barcelona, and Bayern Munich. If none of these clubs are in your league, you do not have the best league. The best teams in the prem are usually Atletico tier and bongs delude themselves into thinking the league is better because West Ham is better than Elche.
>>157294269True. The 1966 world cup is as much a dinosaur cup as Uruguay's 1930 and 1950 world cups. Uruguay's 2010s golden generation was better than any England generation between 1966 and this year. Even beat them head to head and grouped them in 2014.
Extrapolating from tournaments that happen once every 4 years is kind of pointless. Have you any idea how incremental the difference is between England having won what they've won now, and where they win the 1986 and 1990 World Cups, Euro 96 and Euro 2004, which we're talking pre-VAR refballs/tiny moments that stopped these from happening. then consider that relief having won all of that would have resulted in for this last 8 years where the mental block of those other results not happening, meant the team couldn't get over the line when they've been so close to it.It's tiny tiny differences between England sitting with 3 or 4 World Cups and 2 or 3 Euros, and where they are now.
>>157284798Hardly anything about top english football is english anymore.
>>157285115/thread
>>157291572Why would any Englishman in their right mind take the job at this point? It's completely thankless and when your team of overrated coddled headcases gets exposed by the first real team you play, the media throws you to the crowd as the lone scapegoat.
>>157284798Isn’t like only 4 clubs for the upcoming PL season actually majority owned by English? And two of those clubs are owned by “English” Jews so it more like 2 and 4*
>>157284798Were more of a darts nation
>>157284798Weak DNA
>>157284798They go for speed, pace and height.
>>157284798We don't pay the bribes
>>157284798>They have the passion I don’t think foreigners realise how many people in England fucking hate football and hate the England football team and that whole culture. In England, football is a low class sport associated with low IQ racist patriotic Norf FC types. Lots of middle class English people despise football and its culture in England. Lots of very left wing English people despite England and any expression of English patriotism and actively want the team to lose.
>>157302793
They're just not that good.
>>157284798What happens when they run out of roses to hit?
>>157306066we go on chevauchee in france and beat gallic roses instead
>>157284798Going to play ball a little with this. As a former colony of theirs, it starts at the grassroots. When younthink of the Italians, Germans and Spanish and the like, you have a sort of cultural identity when they come to mind. A complete sincerity in what they do and an "approach" to it. England do not have a cultural identity. If anything, their cultural identity, if they ever had one, is a mix of "what would the neighbors think" and to look busy with bureaucracy but to never genuinely accomplish any change by design - England must stay the same as all that. Any "acting out" or genuine individualism that isn't mandated is struck down, not for the collective, but because it would be a "fuss". There is no culture around an approach, a "way we do things", but a "way we don't do things" instead, if that makes sense. It's basically self-sabotage. An Englishman's obsession is with making it "look" proper and respectable, while not having the character or methods to make it actually so, and that extends to football, where one's culture, passion, drive and methodology have to come together to make something brilliant. They have 2 of those 4.Ironically, the English FA (and other sports associations for that matter) embodies this. It doesn't operate like am FA, but a collection of snooty aristocrats who are reactive because the job, to them, is not actually doing things actively, but reactively, because making sweeping changes and points of emphasis is just not cricket. Things may be "changing" now, but they have been "changing" for over five decades. England seems to want to return to the pre-WW2 or WW2 days of national pride, when they had their commonwealth and were the eminent superpower and are in a sort of "bitter realization" stage but are trying to maintain the illusion.
>>157289836>If you look at the depth of talent they're producing, it's probably second only to France in the past decade.let me guess you think Saka and Rashford are good players.
