People are NOT happy with the new Bills stadium as it has obstructed views and a video screen that's too small.
>>157321735Obstructed views of what? The bbcs?
>>157321765stuff like this
>>157321735>and a video screen that's too smallwho cares, you're there to watch a football game not a screen
>>157321797there's always that issue when stadiums add a roof for the seats, that's why alot of NFL stadiums don't bother with one.
>>157321735Why does it not have a retractable roof?
>>157321797Yucky. Old high mark was unironic sovl, sans the artificial turf.
>>157321826they want to keep the atmosphere of cold weather games
>>157321800people want to see replays and other stuff between plays
>>157321826No one wanted to pay for one
To all goyim.
>>157321823>americans can’t build transparent support structures ngmi
Who cares its not like you paid fo-ACK>Taxpayers contributed $850 million towards the construction of the new Buffalo Bills stadium, making it the largest public subsidy ever for an NFL facility
>>157321919I'm curious what does the city ask in return? Is it a loan? Or do they get a stake in the stadium?
>>157321987they do it the same reason they pay for museums or other public infastructure. Sports teams are a part of the city's culture and they pay for the costs of the venue.Also the team can threaten to move if you don't pay for a stadium and you lose all the tax revenue from the player salaries.
>>157321987The city usually ends up being co-owners of the stadium along with the team
>>157322014It wouldn’t work here unless the sports teams were publicly owned or ngos or something that isn’t a privately owned franchise. Our government would never pay for a new McDonald’s building
>>157322057pretty sure Wembly isn't privately owned and was funded by the government.
>>157322014>Sports teams are a part of the city's culture>the team can threaten to move
>>157322122Teams usually sign a lease to stay at the stadium for a certain amount of time so they can't just leave whenever they want to.
what about the cakes tho
>>157321735GoodKWAB
>>157321987Most deals dont give any in return its a straight gift to the owner who does not share the profits with the city. The idea is that it improves the city for people to live in it. Give them circus and bread. Some will argue that it creates jobs but those are the same jobs in a cheaper stadium. But the main reason is that the team will leave if another city offers more money.
>>157321735>That'll be $2.2B+tip
da billz
>>157321797Stadium looks like shit, but this seat also isn't being sold for handegg games. I don't know why they have a seat that won't be sold for their primary use case but whatever I don't care that much.
>>157321823>alwaysI don't know a single important stadium here where this is a problem
>>157321735>barely 60,000 seats>no closable roof or a lot of other fancy tech>costs 2.2 billionWhy? How? I know stadiums are mega expensive anyway nowadays, but this still feels like twice as much as expected
>>157321919The Chiefs public subsidy will surpass this
>>157321826because it would take away their biggest advantage
>>157321735It's fucked they aren't putting OJ in their ring of honor just because he might have killed someone. Ray Lewis is in the Ravens ring of honor and he definitely killed someone
>>157323636This is the Bills stadium, it's not important.
>>157322120And it's the home stadium for the English national team. It isn't used by any of the league teams.
>>157321823Cantilever my nigga?
>>157321735it's also kind of ugly I think, especially compared to the modern marvels that every new NFL stadium has been lately (Vegas, LA, Atlanta, Minnesota)
>>157321823>there's always that issue when stadiums add a roof for the seats,No it's not and the roof isn't the obstruction
>>157323488>but this seat also isn't being sold for handegg games.Really?
>>157323668Price of steel, concrete, and labor has increased many times in the last 25 years>>157324022There have been lots of stadiums with cantilevered roofs that didn't obstruct views, those shitty old multipurpose stadiums built in the 60s and 70s were specifically designed not to have them since that was a common complaint of the old-as-piss stadiums they replaced.
>>157323697nah it was Ray's friend who killed someone and he just helped cover it up
>>157321800Dumb take. Instant replays are nice to have whether you're at the game or on the couch. Not to mention being able to see all the other crucial info like time, down/distance, etc. at a glance. And also, with how expensive this stadium was to build, with the cost overrunning original projections by another billion, there's no excuse for it not to have the latest and greatest amenities. The obstructed views are obviously a way worse problem than the screens, though, especially with season ticket holders complaining that the Bills misled them about the views before they signed on. IDK how teams get away with this shit after what Ballmer did with the Intuit Dome, having every aspect of it designed from the ground up to make the fan experience as comfy as possible. Hell, even a dump like MetLife has basically no bad seats in the house.
>>157323888and they barely use it. It has more use by other things like concerts and neutral football matches, so it adds to the culture of London. So the same logic applies to American stadiums.
>>157324175Totally. Also, I think the field has been monopolized a bit, there aren't many ways past a few dominant companies like Populous. Still, it's a lot of money for this specific stadium. Many recent stadium projects were larger and still cost less. >2 billion for a stadium of that size with no obvious tech gadgets seems like a new level
buffalo is a huge humiliation ritual, it's honestly sad
>>157324022>>157324175>>157324252De Kuip was the first, blueprint for stadiums.
>>157324252>I think the field has been monopolized a bit, there aren't many ways past a few dominant companies like Populous.I forgot about this, it's basically them and maybe 2 other firms that specialize in stadiums. After that it's a roll of the dice and they know it.>>2 billion for a stadium of that size with no obvious tech gadgets seems like a new levelIt is, and who knows how much of it is straight up waste and graft. When Jerry World opened 2 decades ago, it was considered mind blowing for its retractable roof and 'only' cost a little over a billion dollars. Apparently now that won't get you a basic bitch open air NFL stadium. I don't get it either
>>157324360they're doing major renovations to jerry world now that will cost hundreds of millions
>>157324444Par for the course. The team usually throws in some cash as part of the deal (imo the team should cover all renovations but NFL economics have never made sense). 15-20 years after those are done, the team will start telling the press they're in need of a new facility to "stay competitive," and the process begins again.
>>157324360New Nissan Stadium also seems to be on that level, I suppose? It's also quite small and very expensive. Comparable yurofootball prices haven't been witnessed yet, I believe. But it still has exploded ... Bayern building their 75,000 seater for 350 million in 2005 is impossible nowadays, even with inflation. That stadium isn't particularly modern nowadays and would still cost at least twice as much today. And it's still getting worse, I'd sayClubs will get in big trouble soon. Especially here for example, where they don't have big corporations or billionaires behind them (unless you're RB Leipzig and such garbage). And since the competition is so lopsided nowadays, you cannot expect to get a lot more new money as a club that isn't a huge top club alreadyMy favorite club will definitely need a new stadium in 15-20 years if they want to stay competitive. It will need to be quite a lot bigger than the current stadium. There's no way to build a stadium of the demanded size for under 750 million, and that's probably very optimistic already, even if you leave away the crazy tacky stuffThis is going to be very very tough for >us and everyone else to handle. Just asking sponsors won't make things easier. And it's not like cities themselves have a lot of money to spare
>>157324521I think Nissan Stadium is being designed to be a concert venue that can also host NFL games. A smaller capacity is fine since it's just the shitty old Titans playing there. It'll probably have a bunch of amenities and technology that other stadiums don't since a big part of its usage is supposed be for entertainment events other than football games.>And it's still getting worse, I'd sayYes costs are easily beating inflation imo. Another thing worth considering is the fact that local and state governments are the only willing buyers. Desire coupled with public sector incompetence/greed will lead to incredibly inefficient and wasteful spending. Firms like Populous and especially big construction contractors are well-versed in fleecing public coffers.
Isn't Buffalo one of those places where a dome actually makes a lot of sense? With their lake effect snow and all.
>>157321735god i'm so glad that my governor is from fucking buffalo
>>157324827yes but much like their fanbase the ownership is also retarded
>>157321735KWAB
>>157321987they get to say their city hosts an nfl team, which for a rustbelt shitkicker city like buffalo is worth it
>>157321797>obstructing goal posts so fans never have to see another WIDE RIGHT ever againvery considerate
>>157324827They want the cold and snow
>>157322416>Can't fathom how an NFL team would be profitable for a city, especially a smaller one like Buffalo.No wonder your country is an economic basket case.
>>157323677Except our stadium will actually be good
>>157327556We're doing pretty good tho
>>157322200yeah and then move when their lease is up LOL
>>157327579>OurOh word you own it?
What's going to be a bigger waste of time and money, the Bills new stadium or the Browns new stadium?
>>157321735football is a television product
>>157323888>It isn't used by any of the league teams.Technically it is, with the various cup semi-finals and finals, as well as playoff matches. Rugby league matches are held there too.
>>157321797>That will be $700 plus tip
>>157328512Usually they don't
>>157321735my tax dollars payed for this
>>157328749The Bills, easily. The Browns' stadium appears to be far better designed to avoid obstructed views while only costing $400mil more and the Haslams are covering more of the costs themselves than the Pegulas did. Imagine making the Browns look competent.
>>157321797I get this kind of thing when a stadium is like 100 years old, but how the fuck does this happen with a modern design? Was the architect a jeet or something?
american sports are for goycattle eat up sloppos! don't forget to buy merch on your way out!
