Brazilian football needs a new Copa União (aka an independent league from CBF)
>>157362376It's too late bro. Brazilian football is done. Palmolengo will never accept any deal where they are not in an advantage and STJD will never allow them two to be excluded if they cry about it. Either we sacrifice Flamerda to Satan and pay for Leila's harem to change her mind or just get contempt with the Espanholização of this merda.Also, the league isn't going to solve this shit either, the main problem is the Brasileirão format which retards thought it would be a good idea to copy state leagues and meme european leagues, it funnels all the money to the top and you get this boring ass 2 team league. We need to go back to state leagues and regional cups being the most important tournament with Brasileirão being a cup with the best teams from each.
>>157362902Flamengo can be forced to accept it. Or joining to league or play alone with random whos.
>>157362376Most SOULFUL brasil club? I want to get into Brasileirao.
>>157362992Each state has their own league so its hard to give a straight answer, but probably one of the smaller clubs in the South or the mid ones in the North.From that pic I'd say it's between Remo and Criciúma
>>157362376>Criciuma>Fortaleza>Goias>RemoCoxa's bigger than all of these, if we got a new Copa Uniao with 16 teams just like in 1987 I'd include the big 12, Athletico, Coxa, Bahia and Sport.
>>157363076Okay who are the most Soulful team from each state championship?Alternatively, who are good/relatively large but still soul clubs? I need a good balance between soul and not being literal whos.
Imagine being so black that people can tell your skin color on an ANONYMOUS image-based bulletin boardPlease stop embarrassing us
>>157363197Smaller teams over here get instantly dismantled by the bigger ones once they start making the headlines. A good example would be 2002 São Caetano which was able to reach the semis in copalib.Can't think of anything current that's small yet still soulful because they all play like shit.
>>157363076So bbrasileirão is not a single league? Is it like conferences in amerisports?
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kek i love how now when Palmeiras is winning while the other big clubs ruined themselves by being retarded it's "Serie A bad" and muh duopoly, but when Palmeiras were in the gutter last decade and got relegated it was le based parity league o algoget to fuck
>>157362376Can we get Bahia out of anything. Those guys can't save a dying child in a river for their lives
>>157363319Nowadays no, it's a single "league" (all controlled by CBF since teams can't agree on shit and all hate each other) with 4 national tiers. The state leagues popped up first due to the size of the country and mobility back then. There were no national tournaments at first, but a bunch of regionals, then one day they got unified as a cup and then eventually it became a multi-tiered system with round robin and all that. I don't mean this in a douche way, but Brasil is more or less the size of Europe, and the states are more or less the size of your countries. So it's pretty comparable to the development of national leagues and the champions league in a way. All the states were usually dominated by 2 or 3 teams, the top states have 4 like São Paulo or Rio de Janeiro. So when the national tournament happened, it was pretty much a jungle fight where anyone could eliminate anyone, all the giants from different regions would constantly upset one another, and that's why we have such a variety of top teams, le big 12+n. Eventually, as the round robin shit began in 2000, the state leagues became gradually less important, and now they are practically seen as a nuisance to everyone but small teams, which currently depend on them and their matches against the big teams to survive. It's partially fault of CBF also, but I blame the euroboner. There was no need to copy Europe on this, we are a continental country and our top tournament should be like a continental cup, simple ass.The new CBF president created regionals based on previous ones, I assume so one day he can kill state leagues for good and make the regionals the 3rd main tournament, since despite being less important you could still face good opponents at the beginning of the year. Currently only teams that do not participate in international competitions can play these though, so it's only really good for the teams who used to be great and are now struggling to stay afloat, or the rising small teams.
>>157363197>Okay who are the most Soulful team from each state championship?There are 27 states and many sovlfvl histories, I can't name them all, but Remo, Novorizontino, Mirassol, Chapecoense, Cuiabá are the first ones that come to mind.This is from a /copalib/ schizo who defends regional tournaments, but it can help you learn about the other teams if you use as reference I think- Copa Verde: Amazon states, central states + Espirito Santos (green on the last map I posted)- Copa Nordeste: Already exists, only between Northeastern states (yellow on this pic, orange on the map I posted)- Copa Rio-São Paulo: A cup that has existed before between the best state leagues- Copa Sul-Minas: Another cup that has already existed between all those blue states in the map except São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro
>>157365685This configuration is better
>>157366252>São Paulo by itself>Sul by itself>Minas-RioNah
>>157366309It isn't Minas-Rio. It's East. Minas Gerais, Rio de Janeiro, Bahia, Sergipe and Espírito Santo. East was an actual brazilian macro-region with all these states before IBGE change the division and create the Southeast Region.See brazilian regions' division between 40's and 60's
>>157366309Also São Paulo state has 1/5 of brazilian population
>>157366347>>157366355I understand the argument, but its unfamiliar to people of today and there is a much better history between Rio-SP and Sul-Minas. Removing Sergipe and specially Bahia from Copa Nordeste for no reason is also dumb. São Paulo by itself is also an advantage for them since they would play less games per year. Four regional cups at least give you a neat little bracket in case they ever wanted to make a cup champions cup again and you don't need to touch the already stablished Copa Nordeste just because.
>>157365588The state leagues, as you say, are more like the European system than having these national leagues. It’s a misunderstanding of what Brasil is in comparison to Europe. I think you need to go back to the state leagues, have those as double round robins. From there you can look at what was done in Europe that worked on a continental level, things like Cup Winners Cup (the winners of each state cup) and European Cup (this became the Champions League, which was ok too before they started allowing non-champions into it). The old UEFA cup was really fantastic as a straight two-legged knockout, the more teams in it the better you can have 64 or even more and it really gives something for smaller teams to overachieve one year and then go on these amazing runs, and you get a great variety of teams, and you can do a coefficient thing so the stronger states get more teams in there but it needs to be in such a way that the smaller states are still represented in the eyes of fans.European level competitions are not as good now as they were, they’ve gone away from the formulas that actually made the continental competitions popular. European football is strong primarily because the domestic leagues are mostly organised properly, fans prefer to be able to travel to away games for example and it’s much easier to do that when it is more local
>>157363338Don't watch our league. It sucks and only >we understand and feel it's cultural impact on our lives.
>>157363076Criciúma isn't soulful, catarinas in general are very boring and many of them don't even support local teams, which is beyond patheticChapecoense is more soulful since their city being founded by gaúchos means they have some self respect unlike catarinas
>>157363197Portuguesa from SPOlaria from RJSete de Setembro from MG (this one is defunct right now but is planning to come back)Pelotas from RSCentral from PECoritiba from PRBahia from BA
>>157370867Thats why i hate North/Northeast people. They dont even root for local teams then go and say "muh xenophobia". Nigga not even u value yourself why should others do
>>157383401>completely ignoring they have two teams and that they only root for eixo teams due to globosta pushing it for 50+ yearsIt's not too different from gurizinho rooting for grêmio and some english team, both are gay, but at least merdestinos have the excuse that they didn't have the option to watch something else unless they had money to go in person
>>157363197>I need a good balance between soul and not being literal whos.Its hard to say because Brazil has a fuckton of clubs and there is a culture of creating multiple teams per city to have derbies.As such, you will get some 4th division clubs that still have some fanbase and importance within the city.For example, in Rio de Janeiro, i consider Serrano soulful, but nationally they would be considered literal whos, but they do have a good fanbase and rivalries in the city AND surrounding cities. But yeah its as tiny as it gets compared to an actual big club like Vasco da Gama.The state championship system made it almost impossible for a club to not have any history or fanbase at all. I generally consider clubs with derbies as relevant by default.
>>157383475Its cheap as fuck to go to nordeste games though, its only an excuse when they are in the "cu do sertão" (will not translate this to english but read it as some irrelevant desertic shithole). But even so, its extremely normal among nordestinos to root for combos like Náutico and Flamengo etc.Nordestinos are a pathetic people, even when they do follow a local club, they need to bandwagon flamengo too. And they think they can brag about the wins of a club in Rio de Janeiro lmao
>>157383533Nowadays yes, but during their parents time? Not so much. And most stadiums are in the capitals
>>157363511based
>>157362376For some reason there's this idea that doing that is better for club football but it quickly becomes a shitfest. And I'm not sure what it'd solve in the particular case of Brazil.
>>157365588>>157365588>The state leagues popped up first due to the size of the country and mobility back then. There were no national tournaments at first, but a bunch of regionals, then one day they got unified as a cup and then eventually it became a multi-tiered system with round robin and all that.It sounds like what (West)Germany was before the Bundesliga came into the fold and well it had a different evolution...
>>157383401The map is misleading because not many people live in those big spaces. The majority lives in the big cities where the local football clubs are cherished.
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>>157370867I know this map is bullshit, but just have in mind the demographic density in the country.
