How come no one cares about the steroids professional athletes use? Sure they sometimes suspend guys for it but everyone is on gear. Do we just accept it's a part of having a high skill level?
they just take care to not take anything from the no-no list
>>157402812Of course we care, why do you think LeBron James is called LeBALCO, LePEDs, LeVitaminShop
>>157402812Because they are there to entertain us. We want them to destroy their bodies and souls for our enjoyment.
>>157402812There's a group of bad ass baseball players who will never get in the HOF because of roids. Old ass faggot baseball sportswriters care a lot.
>>157403975That's been disproven many many times now with how many not just alleged but actually tested positive roiders they've let in. It's just old bitter sportswriters pretending to care and using it as an excuse to get back at guys who were meanies to them
Where do you draw the line for when a performance enhancing drug is too much? Creatine, vitamins? Are those over the line? Smelling salts? The only reason they aren't taking literal meth before a game starts is because the trade off of performance versus long term health isn't worth it, you're better off on hGH than meth so that's what they'll doMy problem is I'd rather they drop the facade. No one gives a fuck that it's bad for them, so is ramming your skull into another man's skull and they do that every Sunday too. Throw their steroid cocktail on the stat line with their height and weight and move on
>>157402812>but everyone is on gearThis is a narrative roidmonkeys use to justify their own use of dangerous and illegal steroids. Real sports (unlike say, bodybuilding) have rigorous drug testing for a reason.
>>157402812Tommy John died the other day. He was the first well-known pitcher to have surgery to repair his elbow, and pitch at a high level afterwards.They took ligaments from other parts of his body and replaced the torn ligaments in his arm, and after healing and therapy his pitching arm was better than it had been before the rupture.How is this not artificial performance-enhancement?
>>157406578Lance Armstong lost seven Tour de France titles for "blood doping".If you don't know what that is, it is a cyclist withdrawing some of his own blood two days before a race, allowing his body to replace it, then injecting it back into himself just before the race. It increases the oxygen reaching the muscles and cardiovascular system. He literally took his own blood and put it back in and lost seven titles.
>>157406587He also used steroids and EPO.And the blood doping artificially increases red blood cell count and comes with serious health risks by making your blood too thick among other things.>>157405873>There is a grey area>Therefore no line should be drawnYour argument makes no sense, it is like saying we should legalize crystal meth because caffeine is legal.>>157406578That is for specialists to decide. The surgery is risky and there is not enough proof to say it makes you better afterwards.
A friend of the family was doing really great as a cyclist, won a few semi-pro races and stuff and a big sponsor/team (can't remember what the system was, this was late 90s) from Spain got him, so he went there and was starting to train with them and so on.They literally wouldnt let him race under their team unless he took PEDs given his teammates were (and was implied basically everyone at that level did) and it didnt show enough commitment if he didnt and alll that shit. He quit and gave up on going pro after that.
>>157406707The 90s and 2000s were peak EPO years, drug testing got stricter afterwards.
Non athletes always vastly overestimate the effect of PEDs
just watch the fights, kid
>>157402812People do care, that's why there are rules. However the financial incentive to do so is overwhelming. Sporting agencies make it so the cost to do so is pretty high and is "enough" of a deterrent. There's a cat and mouse game of "don't take meds from this list and it's okay" forcing people to search for new drugs (expensive and legally tricky). By the time those drugs have made their rounds, they've been added to the list.
>>157406520>he thinks testing is done to catch doperslol, lmao even
It'd be pretty surprising if the steroid cocktail wasn't fairly standardized across the top level of a given discipline. There's not much point getting assblasted about it when it's essentially the water raising all ships 2bh.
>>157402812You can usually tell if someone is on roids: always vascular, thin blotchy skin, bad skin droopage once off cycle. With all the testing required by major American sports leagues, I don't believe there are as many guys on gear as the average fan thinks.
>>157406820saving this for when I want to come off as a smug prick
>>157406820you're a moron.
>>157403947>aint no party like a diddy partythis is when leFRAUD fell of for me
>>157406820It opens up an addition layer when you max out natty mode; |°°°°°°°°°°°°°••••
>>157407428It's a comforting thought for people to say these guys are all on roids, it gives them a faint excuse that these atheletes are not that special after all, and they themselves could do well in sports if they took PEDs.
Do you actually think that most people realize that everyone roids? Like 95% of people think that Hollywood actors just train hard and have personal chefs.And even if bad Norwegians roid at least our record breaking girls are clean.
>>157407428>the testing required by major American sports leagues
>>157406743I’m sorry but this is just wrong. The doping today is such a precise science that it’s become virtually undetectable. You do realize that they use a combination of bribes, masking agents and a rigorous schedule to pass tests right? Do you think that bike technology improvements can explain how modern day peloton riders can crush records set by confirmed epo users? Absolutely not, they are just incredibly good at doping. It’s in every sport, and virtually every top athlete across the globe use PEDs. There’s an entire sub-industry of doctors, test insiders, and drug manufactures who work together to create the maximum effect with minimal risk of detection.
>>157408156For the most part it's using small enough doses at specific times so that even if you get caught you can explain it away because the visible amounts will be almost non-existent (examples: Sinner and all Norwegian athletes ever). It's very different from just pumping yourself full of experimental horse hormones like they used to.This only goes for sports where some kind of testing exists in the first place, lmao at the obese retard who thinks that American leagues ever test anything.
Whole thing was basically just boomers being mad at their records being broken. Pre-internet the sports journos had a lot of institutional control over information during sterioid era and wrote the narrative. If it happened today most people would tell the journos to F off and go back to liking Arod and Bonds but back then our society actually valued their input
>>157408041I think this is it. I'm not even that big but I am an unironic gym/cel/ with a ztrict diet and workout regimine and a lot of people think I'm on roids and I'm not. But they tell themselves that's the only possible way to be fit and vascular as an excuse to not have even the most basic level of healthy diet, workout routine and self control.
>>157406968What are they testing for? Like. What are they testing for...?
>>157408041>>157410404They're all on roids and they're special on top of it. There's just too much money and fame to be achieved in sports that there will always be people willing to cheat. And while roids won't make everyone a world champion they'll carry people that are already world class into world champions. The testing windows are such that it's possible to micdose shit like EPO and HGH without a fear of getting caught. With EPO and blood doping the only issue is sports with biological passports. But you can even game that by "altitude camps", starting before you require a bio passport or increasing your levels consistently over the years but slowly enough to not raise suspicion. >>157410433They're testing to make sure the athletes won't kill themselves and to sell an image of clean sports to normies. Modern doping testing started as a direct response to Tom Simpson dying at the slopes of Mont Ventoux. It has never been about wanting to prevent doping, but to prevent the athletes from overdoing it and killing themselves. Because athletes killing themselves with dope is really bad for business. And sports are business after all. What's good for business is superhuman feats broadcasted right into your living room. The sports federations don't even care about doping as long as people don't get caught. And if a big name gets caught they'll somehow explain it away with contamination, a rogue doctor, masseuse, or whatever. Then once in a while some jobber gets caught and is made an example of to sell the image of clean sports and to show how doping is taken seriously. Some sports, all of the big American sports for example have even more relaxed testing and banned substances lists than WADA has. But they still test to sell the image of a clean sport and to keep the athletes from killing themselves.
>>157408296not necessarily true if there was no social media to centralize a common take then the contrarians wouldnt know what they should be mad about.
>>157402812Didn't we have the steroid olympics and they didn't break even the natty records?
>>157412462proof?
>>157408223You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, Pekka.Small doses of anything are immediately flushed through your system and have no effect. It's how it is for conventional medication, hence why dosages are so fucking important, and it's how it works for PEDs. "Microdosing" is a meme someone with absolutely no knowledge of physiology came up with either to sell their shit, or keep the Kafka trap alive for athletes in order to get attention for making unproveable claims.Even more pathetic is when retards like you parrot aid idiotic claims in order to feel better about being a fat, degenerate waste of space.
