I'll start
lmaoooo
>>158150807cheating is based. I, for one, want to see City win the PL the next 10 years in a row through illegal means. For me, that's redpilled
>>158151046kek dont care as long as it makes red cartel wogs seethe
>>158151112that's based
>>158151270LMAOOOOO
subhuman frenchoid
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>>158151465jej delicious seethe
You're laughingRedditors are hurting and you're laughing
>>158151530>>158151551kek red cartel redditors are pissing and shitting themselves
>>158151484I don’t like soccer but this arsenal team sounds like a bunch of sore losers. they should see a sports psychologist
>>158151702Fagsenal is a detestable team with a detestable insufferable brown fan base. Billions of people were shitting on them last may when they lost the UCL final kek
>>158151751ah, so a PSGay fan huh?still salty that you couldn't beat Arsenal in open play and only got that undeserved CL due to penal? you salty subhuman? No wonder you suck Shitty's dick this hard because they are the English version of PSGay: a club with zero history that only started winning after arabs bought them.But your retarded league is too insignificant and unimportant that nobody cares to investigate the shitshow of that club, so they stay under the radar. But shitty has to pay!
>>158151852I hate PSG (another wog club like yours) and you still lost to them. There is nothing that makes me more happy than seeing your faggot shitskin team get battered. Now fuck off back to your containment thread where you and the bulgayrian ape jerk each other off
/cheat/ bros, should we include city in our group? i think they are based enough ngl
>>158151933You are a shitskin.You are also shitbrain. sucking off Shitty, the arabian thugs that break 115 financial rules to get where they are overnight, while you ignore how a club like Arsenal had to endure over a decade of embarrassment to pay off their debts and liabilities to finally get to the point where they can spend large sums on players. You are a mentally ill!
>>158152091>You are a mentally ill!Ironic coming from the faggot that spams eternal arsenal threads. Get bent faggotAlso CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE YOU WILL NEVER SING THAT
>>158152091>You are a shitskin.also ironic coming from the club of shitskins and onions libtard faggots. You will get battered this year again in the UCL and I will be there howling and laughing at your shit team
red cartel simians have steam coming out of their ears
>>158152117>He has a problem with Eternal Arsenal Threadnot my problem your insignificant club doesn't have enough followers in this website to run their own general and keep it alive by having a live discussion. >>158152161You know what's more iconic? the fact that you tongue Shitty's anus while being fully aware that they represent everything wrong with modern football, but still supporting them because >muh some Arsenal fan was mean to me.
>>158152384>wall of text copedidn't read shitskin. Can't wait to see you faggots cry again in the UCL
>break the rules>get called out for itbut holy fuck look at this seethe guys, right?!
>>158152427none of it has to do with on the pitch so it doesn't matter
lifelong City fan since today, fuck the Red Cartel!
>>158152535Based
Just so you know I'm collecting all these laughing posts, to share again when man city get relegated
>>158152470>buy a player illegally >they impact the play on the pitchlook i know thinking is hard in east manchester but at least try
>>158152535game is much more fun when the red cartel is seething at some oil sandnigga spending money to break up their hegemony over the league
>>158152660>illegally
Is Arsenal the Chiefs of soccer?
>>158151852>>158152091This is not me I am >>158151408 , so mind yourself Frenchie with your schizo hallucinations.
>spend nearly 500 million in 2 years on wirtz, ekitike, isak, and barcola alone>get completely dogwalked in your home and humiliated in front of 60k people>cry about your rapist having spend too muchare Liverpool fans not the least bit embarrassed? And the other clubs as well? Is City out here putting voodoo spells on Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal and the rest that keeps their clubs being ran like dogshit? Is it City's fault that whenever a good player puts on that red United shirt, they instantly become dogshit?this loser mentality is just pathetic to read.
>>158152721More like the cowboys of soccer. They think they're a big club yet they haven't won shit since 2003/2004
>>158152685yes illegally as the verdict was given by an independent paneldo they not do any thinking in burnhams manchester
>>158152801>current champions>haven't won shiti am convinced that dembele here has been held back in school for 5 years
>>158152845>but we've won last season in 2025yeah after 22 years...that's exactly my point you dumb retard. The cowboys of soccer
>>158152802they didn't conclude that City bought players illegally broif City want the player and they got the cash, it's none of your or the league's biz
>>158152792That's just how scousers are.
You have to admit it's bullshit. When the PL finally deal with City they should revisit EVERY ONE OF THEIR GAMES in the past 16 years, including TODAY'S, 3-0 is bullshit and DOES NOT REFLECT AN ACCURATE SCORELINEAlso it's a few days from the 37 year and 6 month anniversary of Hillsborough, which is disgusting timing - Why didn't the PL immediately suspend all of City's future games once the charges were laid?
>>158155492Contrarian board, incel. We will support the destruction of the PL if it makes redditors, normies, and sex-havers seethe. It's that simple
>>158155657you have to be 18 to post here
reminder that all that Man City's "cheating" was was spending the same money as their rivals
>>158157004We dont have that problem in the NFL
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I've been consuming influencer seethe and it's amazing
>>158157004and they say it's cheating because Everton, Fulham etc did not also do the same thing which supposedly disadvantages them despite the fact that most other owners would not have done that even if they could
>>158152792>>spend nearly 500 million in 2 years on wirtz, ekitike, isak, and barcola aloneLiverpool is a proper club with istoreh so it's okay when they do it.
the whole football world is just filled with this seetheTHEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT. SOMEBODY DO SOMETHINGGGG
The seethe is indeed funny. Liverpool fans etc are insufferable as well, no pity. Especially the really „political“ ones, especially the foreign onesCity are still scum and should be nuked
>>158161520The reason the other clubs aren't saying anything is because they probably all have some degree of financial irregularities
All „big“ clubs do this, the thought of global Liverpool/etc bandwagoners complaining is somewhat hilarious. But City was especially blatant and has to go first
https://youtu.be/wfn0ZTFZH5g?t=9772
>>158167696Later in this stream he sounds like he's going to cry and describes the result as soul destroying
>>158157004true, me hearing english team fans complain that city is outspending them despite them doing so consistently in europe every year is extremely funny. my team can never hope to reach the same level of wealth that your foreign bought club has so I don't give a fuck if an even bigger fish showed up
>pride yourself on being a capless mickey mouse comp set up to be a plaything for foreign billionaires >people actually fucking support this and think they "have a club">WAAAAAAAAAAH U SPENT TOO MUCH MONEE DATS NOT FAAAAAIR IDS CORRUPTION IN R FOOTYmy sides, please. you voted for this.
HMS Pisstheleague will CRUSH the hopes of City and the Red Cartel alike.>HMS stands for HULL MUST SUCCEED btw.
>>158152915>point out the retarded take you made >you get triggered and lash outyou really are subhuman
>>158152927but city did not have the cash little brothats the point
>>158167996They did though. They didn't fake any money, they just routed it weirdly in a way the league didn't expect.
Nooooo you can't spend all your money you cheaters
>>158151046are you a balkan immigrant by any chance?
>man city found guilty of financial fraud and will inevitably be relegated>counterargument is: "nooo they are only guilty of spending as much money as the RED CARTEL">next game: stuff red cartel FC 3-0 away using players that club could otherwise provably not affordmakes you hmmm
>>158168246>Noooooo you can't use that money. Only this money.
If it was just spending money, why did they have to fake records? Apparently, they broke some rules some times. Like 114 times, I guess. You can argue that these rules should totally be different, but they exist - and City blatantly ignored them, they didn’t even do a good job at hiding it. So they should be punished hard None of that changes that many other clubs are also doing shady shit and should receive punishment. Their fans shouldn’t complain about integrity in this perverse system. But they didn’t do it as blatantly as City, so City has to go first
>>158168246It's not City's fault that red cartel clubs are badly run and make horrific recruitment decisions even with the spending advantage they have over other clubs
>>158168308Literally every perennial EPL franchise and the overwhelming majority of aspirational perennial EPL franchises blatantly ignore said rules hence not saying SHIT about City doing it and letting them get off scott free lol.
>>158168308>why did they have to fake recordsRecords weren't faked, they had to route the money through a sponsorship deal because the PSR rules say you can only spend as much as you bring in in revenue and they regarded sponsorship revenue as part of that. Therefore if City want to raise their spending ceiling to compete with the top clubs they were incentivised under the current rules to increase sponsorship revenue which meant they made sweetheart deals with sister companies connected to their owners.
I can see city dog walking their way to a title next season
>>158168387Still true, and still no counter-argument provided.
>>158167961BASED
>>158168345And that is allowed? And if not, they were open about it and declared it? If not, they cooked their books to inflate their value
>>158168396Counter arguments were provided, you constantly deliberately misunderstood them every time one was provided.
>>158168431Surely it’s all just bait
>>158168426They wanted to spend their owners money and the league won't let them because the rules are only being enforced to protect City's rivals when they told everyone these rules were only brought in to stop small clubs from overspending and going bust.
>>158168431Your counter-argument is "Man City aren't allowed to do that, but my yummy red cartel clubs are so fuck off!" and you wonder why City's lawyers are going to town and trying to cause as much damage as possible.
>>158168438Okay, so … it wasn’t allowed and they didn’t declare it?
>>158168437Yes, that Anon admitted he was baiting in the thread where that screencap originated: https://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/158000968/#158004684>>158168448>Your counter-argument is "Man City aren't allowed to do that, but my yummy red cartel clubs are so fuck off!"That's not my counter-argument whatsoever and never has been. If Man City can prove the Premier League are running a protectionist racket for four clubs, fair enough.
>>158168475I love this gimmick of coming in and showing how absolutely rattled you are by me. You are definitely posting in the right thread. Give me some more red cartel salt please.
>>158168451The league didn't care until Man City conveniently got illegally hacked and confidential documents got distributed showing this was the arrangement. Only then did it suddenly become a problem. Can't imagine who would be behind such an intrusion like that. Really makes you wonder.
>>158168396you say this every time, but you are again corrected. you actually made the argument you were attempting to refute.
>>158168515Okay, so it really wasn’t allowed and they tried to cover it up. Good to knowDo not worry, City taking down the other „big“ clubs as well before going down themselves would be the best case scenario
>>158168507>gets repeatedly called out for being dumb as fuck and eventually admitting you were badly trolling all along>gets reminded weeks later>still claims anyone else is rattledlmao>>158168515>Can't imagine who would be behind such an intrusion like that.This should be a laugh. Go on then, who asked Rui Pinto to hack into City Football Group's emails?
>>158168527it's been telling how much of the city defense has waffled between>they weren't doing anything wrong>The rule is stupid>ok but the other clubs did it too so they should be in troublewhich is it?
>>158168328missing the point there bit thick aren't u x
>>158168519So you agree with me then, and yet you keep posting an argument you are in agreement with while pretending there is anything wrong with it yet never elaborating.>>158168536>who asked Rui Pinto to hack into City Football Group's emailsWe may never know since he's living under red cartel protection. We don't know who paid him.>>158168588The media and the league are attempting to turn Man City into a scapegoat to distract from the mismanagement and underperformance of the red cartel clubs.
>>158168536The best way to troll you customers is to make factually correct arguments that you can only seethe in response to.
>>158151852nah he's a swansea fan on a VPN
all of this will just make the city group closer, watch them win the league without losing
>>158168680i agree with what you actually said, but not the point you were attempting to prove (and continue to). you literally admitted that they created bogus revenue in order to comply with rules, and that is itself against the rules. you struggle with this basic and obvious fact.
>>158168718>bogus revenueIt doesn't become "sham revenue" because you don't like where it originated. For the purposes of PSR, it's just revenue. There is no such legal term as "sham revenue" despite the PL constantly trying to push this PR phrase into the soft and feeble minds of their innocent victims (you).
>>158168709Haaland will do a stint in Shenzhen City for a year just to statpad
>>158168734it's not a matter of what I like. It's literally connected to associated entities, which is obviously disallowed because otherwise this functionally could not be a rule. And as has been explained to you multiple times (which you refuse to accept), such a determination isn't unique to this case. It's been established tons of times in tax court, family law, and corruption cases across the globe and very pointedly in salary cap circumvention cases in the american sports. problem is, this was all news to you until a few days ago, and regrettably after you already made the cited post in which you didn't realize what you were admitting.
>>158168734also, nobody ITT said "sham revenue" you're quoting something repeatedly that wasn't submitted by me. And unequivocally, for the purposes of PSR, it's not just revenue.
>>158168765>sham revenueThat's what the PL's phrase is, and you were paraphrasing it by saying "bogus revenue". >which is obviously disallowedPlease point to the relevant section in the PL handbook where it is explicitly disallowed.
>>158168758>It's been established tons of times in tax court, family law, and corruption cases across the globe and very pointedly in salary cap circumvention cases in the american sportsHow many of these involved sister companies inflating sponsorship revenues in order to comply with PSR? Oh, none of them? Cool.
>>158168788I wasn't paraphrasing it, I was acknowleding the obvious issue of sourincg revenue from your owners when the whole purpose of calculating revenue is to limit owner capital injections. Not a coincidence that the PL uses a similar phrase to describe this. And to answer your question"Rules E.56–E.73 (pp.137–143), Associated Party Transactions and Fair Market Value. These rules are the main controls on revenue.The guidance at the start of this section says the aim is to stop clubs gaining an unfair advantage by inflating revenues through arrangements with entities linked to their ownership.Every Associated Party Transaction (E.56) and every Threshold Transaction (E.61) must be submitted for a Fair Market Value assessment.E.59.2 is the most direct rule on revenue in the calculation. Income from an Associated Party Transaction is excluded from revenue in Form 3A until the Board approves the deal.If the Board finds a deal is "evidently not at Fair Market Value," E.69 applies. The Board sets what it considers fair value, and the club must end the deal or return any consideration above that value. Only fair-value revenue can support the club's figures."
>>158168797>>158168855
>>158168855Yeah and City already took the PL to court over APT and got the high court to rule parts of it unlawful and unenforceable. The exact same thing is going to happen here in the appeal.>the whole purpose of calculating revenue is to limit owner capital injectionsFirst off, that money stops belonging to their owners when it takes the route it does. It's not his money anymore. But this shouldn't even matter. >Every Associated Party Transaction (E.56) and every Threshold Transaction (E.61) must be submitted for a Fair Market Value assessment.This part of the APT was not part of the rules during the period under which City are being charged. FMV was brought in as a response to this case. You can't prosecute a club for breaking rules that did not even exist at the time they are accused of having broken them.The whole issue with FMV to begin with is that the "Board" is setting price controls and preventing an actual market from forming. It shouldn't be up to them to decide what a contract is worth or not worth. That's picking winners and therefore breaches competition law.
>>158168908>admits they are paid by associated entities, explicitly >also tries to deny thst they're associated entities You don't have to keep responding you know, right? Obviously you commented extensively before understanding the basics at hand. It's not like anyone knows your address
>>158168948Are you threatening me, anon
>>158168680>We may never know since he's living under red cartel protection. We don't know who paid him.As expected, you didn't even bother to try and answer the question.>>158168686>factually correct argumentsLove this cope.>>158168908>It shouldn't be up to them to decide what a contract is worth or not worth.There would have been absolutely no issue from the PL if the invoices were not being paid in such a convoluted manner which suggested the majority of the revenue was not legitimate.
>>158168959You are really bad at reading
Can someone summarize this thread for me in layman's terms
>>158168976Sure, just look at the picture posted here >>158151112That about sums it up
>>158168976Man city violated a soft cap a la balmer Leonard. They are hoing to be punished. They probably aren't the only offenders, and the cap is structured in a way that favors the existing top teams, so there's some seethe. The most pointed seethe is being supported by outright denial of basic facts
>>158168908lel this dumnigga trying to say that it's price control and you can't estimate FMV if you exclude entities paying themselves
>>158168976Manchester City is a club with super rich owners, it won many titles because they pulled financial shenanigans to hide that they went over the salary cap by $1.2 billion over a decade or so. They used financial engineering and shell companies to hide this. It was blatant and used obfuscation to hide their rule breaking to gain financial and sporting advantagesThey were charged with 115 offenses and declared guilty of 114, but they contest it. Based on the punishments other clubs were handed for single offenses, City basically have to get relegated for it to be somewhat proportionalThe thing City also cry about is that the financial system is indeed primarily catering to clubs that were already big before, City rose to prominence by cheating that system, so some people think they were justified. It still was a systematic breaking of rules and most people want them punished, that is clear
>>158169319>to gain financial and sporting advantagesTo level the playing field between them and the top clubs
>>158168709>watch them win the league without losingya they won't lose a game alright...IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP
>158169351You must be one of the the most easily entertained spastics on this board.
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>>158168246>argument is entirely "no, you aren't allowed to compete with us, we'll make rules to stop you"
>>158169492not why the financial rules were brought in + man city agreed to them
>>158169499>we're going to pass rules that conveniently secure our position under the guise of "fair play" and suppressing the wages of labor
Why are Brits treating "Man City are proven cheaters" like it's a big deal? Nobody is getting punished for it. It literally doesn't matter at all. "B-but they cheated! They broke the rules!" Who gives a fuck? Do something about it thenOh wait, your favorite sports League won't do anything about it at all because your country is cuckolded beyond belief by oil baron brownoid Muslims? Then shut the fuck up about it, it literally does not matter at all. And actually, it was strategically well done by Man City to cheat and call the League/country's bluff. "Yeah I'm cheating, so what, fuck you." That's how winners win.
>>158169499That is exactly why they were brought in you little red cartel monkey
>>158169654nah
>>158168354>I can see city dog walking their way to a title next seasonya I can see it too...IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP!
>>158150807another humiliation for Man United tonight
bloddy red cartel basterd. fuck your mother!!
>>158169492united are rich because they earned it legally. nobody is forbidding city from being a top club, it's just that it should be a slower process with legal sponsors and not hidden wages. because it wasn't just about city being allowed to compete with the same strength as the other big clubs, city were overpaying everybody from players to managers so they would work for them, it's unfair and they knew it was unfair because they hid the wages.
>>158191218>it's just that it should be a slower process with legal sponsorsThey invested their own money, faggot. It's not like they stole or embezzled money from others with misleading charities, etc.
>>158181024keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
>>158191221which is illegal at a certain extend, faggot.
>>158157004they outspent their rivals though? Were spending like the dodgers in MLB at one point
>>158191404>car is behind 4 other cars>car overtakes other cars>wtf they accelerated more thats unfair
>>158151112Are nafris wogs
>>158191218Manchester United are rich because they happened to be on top when English football went global. If that had happened when Clough was at Forest we'd be talking about them in this position and Man United being midtable nobodies.
>they're getting literally Jew Team Six
>>158191631This man isn't human
>>158169492>muh red cartelokay, but city have had 18 years to buy a fanbase that could generate legitimate revenue to fund their transfers and they still havent done thata small club with a big wallet is just a spoiled rich kid with no friends
>>158191777If Man City haven't managed to bridge the commercial income gap despite financial doping and winning everything in sight and having the world's most famous manager and dozens of world class players then what hope do the clubs playing by the rules have? You're proving our point for us.
