End of an era
>>158582137How did Fergie survive this but not Carrick?
He was a candle in the wind
>>158582169Maybe because fergie was a european cup winner, and the owner wasnt american. Fergie was rumoured to be sailing close to the sun, it started to turn around when they beat forest in the fa cup, he went on to win the fa cup.
>>158582169Social media didn't exist back then
>>158582169They weren't owned by parasitic private equity types looking to deflect responsibility.
>>158582169man utd were shit at the time and there was no internet.
>>158582137Thank you for the memories
>>158582137they saw the latest goldbridge video
>>158582137oh no, the nobody manager failed at united, how is it possible???? manchester united you are an evil club! the players are selfish! they were supposed to win the treble with carrick!
club went to shit after they sent JLingz awaythat's what you get when u don't invest in talented youngsters and buy crap instead serves them right
>>158582347Gary Neville made goldbridge a multi millionaire. He's on a city break in london at the moment, so its all pre-recorded shit and all his andys going live
>>158582370Imagine being this sycophantic for a squad of scum
>>158582408I'm sure you'd be happy to get in a forced wedding with a fat ugly stinky bitch.
>>158582169It was 1989 managers got ten years to be shit
>>158582432You genuinely have no understanding of the situation and it showsThe players completely stopped playing for himYou don't go from 12 wins from 17 games at the end of one season to 3 wins from 15 games the very next without a significant change in squad mentality
>>158582370Don't whether it's weirder when United fans do this bit or ABUsSomething about the club just warps conversation, same as the Orange Man
>>158582454I'm sure they didn't expect him to stay. they played hard for their next manager.and the board kept carrick.
>>158582463Thanks for proving my point
>>158582137
Remember, when Man United win it's because of the manager and when they lose it's because of the players
>>158582473well yes, players are people, and people are shit.
>>158582479in the managers defence they do keep signing shit players
>>158582173/mug/gods...he was too beautiful for this world..there goes my hero.
>bro aura farmed a 4-4 draw in relegation zonedeserved
>>158582137https://youtu.be/sxb0GeS4gL8?si=4poO-7TP8BiNMDKw
>>158582478NOT ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION2013: Ferguson staff not wanted by Moyes, £2.4m2014: Moyes & staff, £4.9m2016: Van Gaal & staff £8.4m2018: Mourinho & staff £19.6m2021: Solskjaer & staff £9.1m2022: Rangnick & staff plus other football changes £14.7m2024: Ten Hag & staff £10.4m2024: Hiring Ashworth £3m2024: Hiring Amorim £11m2024: Firing Ashworth £4.1m2026: Firing Amorim & staff £8.2m2026: Carrick & staff £5m*2026: Hiring Pochettino before additional staff costs £7.4m*Total: £108.2mWhich one is worst?
>>158582506GOODBYE /mugs/ ROSE
>>158582375He will be back in a few years as interim manager
>>158582511Damn if they'd have just kept David Moyes for 13 years they could've afforded two more Andrey Santoses
>>158582494some say that there are no bad players, only bad managers. anyway united are in a fucking quagmire. they need a strong manager with a strong tactical identity. then he'll try to do something, then get the board to give him players who suit his system for the team to get better without having the players who were here before him to sabotage him because his new system with his new players might change the dynamics in the locker room.
>>158582511Pursuing Ashworth for months, paying for him, and then sacking him the minute he wanted to actually do his job.
>>158582524i wonder where they would be now if moyes was still there
>>158582526who would win, a bunch of ligue 2 players with zidane as manager or the french national team with carrick as manager
>>158582535>ligue 2 playersdon't push it anon.>zidanefraud
>>158582506https://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/28147722/#28147722
>>158582530Thats an interesting question. Probably not any worse off. But that transition from a title winning side to being shit, not in the top 4, moyes having a small club mentality, the turnover of players it would have required. The club just wasnt willing to do it.
>>158582511>2024: Ten Hag & staff £10.4m>2024: Hiring Ashworth £3m>2024: Hiring Amorim £11m>2024: Firing Ashworth £4.1m>2026: Firing Amorim & staff £8.2mthis run was a generational disasterclass with the highlight being giving ten hag a contract extension to sack him 116 days later. it's funny to think the club was better run under woodward
>>158582590It was the wrong move but United fans were literally begging them to keep Ten Hag after the cup final
>>158582605yes but united fans are all versions of andy tate, saeed, or flying pig. just because 1m retards told you to kill yourself doesnt mean youre going to do it. you get paid to make smart decisions otherwise they could just employ any fan to do it
>>158582653They could, might as well really because they keep doing what the fans want and the fans hate them anyway. The manager is sacred at United, everyone else is collateral damage
>that fallw e w
RIP
>>158582511When you consider the fact that Jadon Sancho cost Manchester United around £130m when you factor in transfer fees and wages, this figure honestly doesn't look that bad.
Can Carrick in continue the levels of highest premier league when games he more likely up to end managing or in the championship teams and what manager? I think the likely it’s former continue and can in the league
>>158582511>2018: Mourinho & staff £19.6mThis was is arguably the worst. Not only was he ultimately right about the squad, and the structure, ownership; Mourinho had them by the balls, hence the massive pay out. He made sure, if it did turn sour, he'd be cushy, and he was. >2021: Solskjaer & staff £9.1mThis was the start of the interim madness. He did well. They gave him a contract. he lasted another 2 years right? How long was that contract? did they renew it?>2022: Rangnick & staff plus other football changes £14.7mThis needs expanding on. Rangnick spoke a lot of sense. I doubt he cost them 14.7m. >2024: Ten Hag & staff £10.4mRenewing his contract was the killer. They didnt want him, tried to replace him, then renewed his contract. They just burned that money. >2024: Hiring Amorim £11mJust all wrong. Unless they were going to give him 11 players he wanted, it was never going to work. What were they thinking. They didnt have the money to do that. Panic decision. >2026: Firing Amorim & staff £8.2mPaying for the panic decision. I mean thinking about this, the whole amorim escapade, is probably even worse than mourinho. >2026: Carrick & staff £5m*He made them more than that getting back into the champions league. So they can probably stomach that. >2026: Hiring Pochettino before additional staff costs £7.4m*Unless the ownership change, they're going to be paying him out in a year or two.
tl, dr
>>158582758Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't clubs supposed to pay the managers they fire until they get another club and the tab is picked up by the new team?
>>158582665I'm so confused, they would have won the league if he was in charge for a full season I was told
>>158582790That can happen, but these things aren't standardised.
Just seen the big news. Ultimately out of his depth, but I'm sure Palace will bounce back.
>>158582137Sad day for /mug/
>>158582530They would probably be like Crystal Palace or Newcastle. People wouldn’t think about them at all, they’d be irrelevant, but they would also be a lot better than they currently are.
>>158582370>it's Moyes' fault the players are shit>it's van Gaal's fault the players are shit>it's Mourinho's fault the players are shit>it's Solskjær's fault the players are shit>it's ten Hag's fault the players are shit>it's Amorim's fault the players are shit>it's Carrick's fault the players are shitWhen will they realize?
>>158582454You do if your training methods consist of kickabouts in the preseason and rest days during the season
>>158582137man u has the opportunity of a lifetime
it's been painful watching Carrick try to manage. Even when we were winning last season it was clear he didn't know what he was doing
>>158583061A lot of people have switched on to this, but they'll fall back in line when the newest manager starts showing results, whenever that happens to be.
>>158583061Fellaini and Pogba throwing yet another United manager under the bus
>>158583087>A lot of people have switched on to thisThey have. its been slightly different this time. The ownership and executives have been targeted. The players have also got it in the neck. They will toe the line once results pick up. But what happens when poch fails. Its probably going to be 15 years of failure by the glazers, and more recently ineos. When are the glazers and ineos going to hold their hands up and say sorry, we're shit, we don't know anything about football, we're out.
what that means?they stick him inside sack for why?
>>158583132Never lmao, if they sell it'll be a business decision not a sporting one, honestly Utd fans deserve it for unironically falling for the very obvious paid pr Ratcliffe had done through various papers when he got involved
>>158582521>posting AIslop
>>158583061I only see two elite managers, van gaal and mourinho. van gaal was washed, mourinho became toxic like he always does after a while
>>158583061youre rightbut the main problem is those managers wanted those shit players. if im a chef and choose to buy a bunch of rotten food its my fault if the meal turns out inedible
>>158582685>RIPwhat does Wayne know?
>>158583406hes on the shortlist for new man utd manager
>Rashford poised to be big winner of Pochettino appointment. Sources close to incoming manager say he has ‘always loved’ the forwardHere we go again. Deary me Poch, you stupid wanker
>>158583162It was very predictable that a failed Middelsbrough manager would struggle with 2 games a week. The sacking culture at Man Utd has gone mad, its almost as bad as Chelsea. 2 permanent managers sacked in a single calendar year is honestly staggering (still, i guess there was only 14-15 months inbetween Ten Hag sacked and Amorim sacked so nothing new). The fact that they dont sack him until thursday and they have someone in the building tells me that Poch wasnt really their first choice. Howe, Nagelsmann and Conte doesnt want to touch that job with a six feet pole. The players are now inevitably going to put a shift in because now there is suddenly stakes and jeopardy towards their future. Poch aint the guy, his record post 2019 UCL final loss speaks volumes. He showed at PSG he cant deal with big egos in the dressing room and massive expectations from fans and owners, he showed at Chelsea he cant deal with incompetent owners and his stagnation at Tottenham showed he cant deal with not getting backed. guess what, he’ll have plenty of all 3 of at man utd. The time to hire him was any of the other sackings between Mourinho and Ten Hag. That said He’ll probably get a tune out of them to the extent that they’ll get european football next season. Man Utd fans are probably happy going on the managerial hype train and that they’ve found the guy to become the next Rednose once again. But that time has passed and they will genuinly never become as dominant as they once were, thats the crucial part they fail to realize time and time again so they just default to blaming Glineos. But things will genuinly never change as long as Man Utd is a profitable venture
>>158583061They are going to do the same thing all over again:- Sack manager before Christmas- Hire new manager- Get a few good results in Dec/Jan/Feb- Declare themselves "back"- Miss out on Champions League but it's ok because they can "focus on the league"- Season starts bad- Get a few good results in Dec/Jan/Feb- Declare themselves "back"- Miss out on Champions League again but manager holds onto his job because of a cup run- Season starts bad- Sack manager before Christmas
>>158584454If Poch starts Dalot, then he already deserves sacking
