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You are playing a ticket deck, right?
>>96415102I'd get this Secret Lair.
>>96415109Are stickers like attractions where you need to build a deck of them first and randomly pick from a couple at the start of the game or do you always have the couple you pick?
>>96415114unfortunately you pick 10 and randomly choose 3I recommend just cheating though who's gonna know
Okay how do I build him. Should I even build him?
>>96415150doge is mandatory
>>96415109Best commander for tickets? I already have an attractions deck, mildly interested in this one too
Can someone send these to Europe?>squirreled away still 80 euros
>>96415181Something weak that cares about its own power (jenova maybe?).Something that would be interesting to clone (since stickers can bypass the legend rule).Blink shenanigans.
>>96415177I can't run yoshimaru, this is a mono black deck
>"I attack with Angel of whatever">"I block with my goblin.">"It has flying..."I swear to god, how is this so common!? You'd think people would connect angels with the ability to fly eventually. Or question why someone attacks into the token player, but no. It just keeps happening.
>>96415255just say>sending X (it's power) in the air at you
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96415261I wasn't the one attacking yesterday when I noticed it again. I'm kinda just astonished (and a bit annoyed) by the inability to connect the two things or at least ask to clarify.
Warping Wail is criminally underplayed. It's probably one of the best charms ever made. The first mode can snipe a lot of utility creatures like Esper Sentinel, Soul Warden, or Blood Artist for good. The second mode counters almost every board wipe in the game, in addition to hitting big game ending sorceries like Torment of Hailfire or Breach the Multiverse. Last, the third mode is just an emergency blocker, but you could clamp the Token or use it to turbo a 4 drop Commander on turn 3.But how much of a cost is the color pip to splash in your deck? I honestly say not that much. Let's take a Boros Manabase and how most of you faggots would build it: You always run your Painland and your Lorwyn Filter as well as Sol Ring and Talisman of Conviction. That's 4 sources base. Next you probably run Reliquary Tower, Scavenger Grounds and the two Boros utility lands: Sunhome and Slayer's Stronghold. We are now at 8 colorless sources. From there you have so many options: Starting Town is another unintrusive way to fix your colors while still proving colorless. Abstergo Entertainment is a filter land with built-in recursion and Graveyard hate. Sol Lands like Ancient Tomb or Temple of the False Gods can cast Warping Wail by itself. We can go deeper too. If you're in White, you could drop 1 of each basic for Ramunap Ruins/Shefet Dunes and run Sand Scout as a really good ramp creature (which would also give you access to Arid Archway as a bounceland). Budgetfags can run Promising Vein or Ash barrens for colorless lands that aren't completely dead.I have a 3-color deck with 10 colorless sources in 41 lands + 3 rocks and I wouldn't even bat an eye if this was castable. I think especially mono-green should want Warping Wail because every mono-green deck loses to All is Dust and Farewell. I probably wouldn't play it in Blue decks. Mono-black seems suspicious too, because you want as much swamp mana as you can get to abuse Coffers.
>>96415272>card is called warping wail>doesn't have warpinto the trash
>>96415255To be fair, angels are the worst "popular" tribal so they don't get seen as much as dragons do.
It is time.Gay Bolas tribal.Build it and they will come.
>>96415150Just remember his dog. Besides that some evasion to guarantee getting in and it should give you a base to work with.
>>96415272The colorless bit is a bit of a deal breaker for a lot of decks it feels like. But if you're playing something with enough colorless mana producing stuff in it then it's fantastic and off color counter spells are always a good trick that there should be more of.
>>96415150>>96415647Like this anon said, include the dog even if only for the blanket Menace. Go for neato, low-powered assassins and throw in things like Cover of Darkness to give them all fear, Blanket of Night/Urborg to make everything into swamps, Crypt Ghast because duh, and Filth for blanket swampwalk. Be the mono-black aggro deck you were always meant to be, anon.
>>96415272I love it and a few others like Null Elemental Blast. They've saved my ass so many times in my colorless decks.
>>96415652It really isn't that difficult, believe me>Sol Ring>Mind Stone>Talisman of Whatever>Thought Vessel>Liquidmetal Torque>Everflowing Chalice>Reliquary Tower>Scavenger Grounds>Ancient Tomb>War Room>Rogue's Passage>Strip Mine>Urza's Saga>Field of the DeadDo I have to go on? There are SO many good utility lands and rocks out there, not even including colorless sources that do provide colored mana too like Painlands or Filter Lands. According to the calculator, 10 colorless mana sources gives you a 63% chance to cast Warping Wail on turn 2. And chances are you don't even want to cast it on turn 2. It is statically more probable the average 32 land commandertard can cast Warping Wail than they are to hit land drop #3.
Played Choco last nightKilled one opponent with a 64/64 moss wood hydraKilled another opponent with the same 1,024/1,024 mosswood hydraDeck played exactly how I envisioned it
>>96415735>MosswoodMossborn, getting my moss themed creatures mixed up
>>96415735In a Gay-Off, your deck, image, and self would beat Richard Simmons cleanly.
>>96415102Not sure if CaC/customs reviewing is cool here or it's just bait to get told kys.I started with the first ability on the bottom side of the card. I just thought it'd be kind of a cool little interaction between surveilling and conniving. Let's say you surveilled 2 and liked one but didn't like the other. You get to dump that one card you didn't like and try your luck at a random with the following connive for the same amount.Everything else was built up around that and I don't think there's a lot of originality happening with it. Like I just lifted the 2nd effect on the back from Arna who's in the same color identity but made it narrower to apply to a single creature rather than all attacking.If you slept the legendary type on it for commander purposes I kind of wanted it to be this voltron and/or advantage engine that acts as a payoff for surveilling.I think the mana values are probably a little under where they should be but that's just adjusting magic number knobs.I had it as a single-sided card at first but decided for flavor reasons to make it a transform card. The idea of the flavor being that they're kind of like a lacky on their front side and then after they get some experience with things they flip over to the back and are a full-blown member. I also just like mechanic slop. If I'm going to make something stupid I might as well make something extra stupid.All that said. I'm simply looking for maybe some help balancing the card's MVs as well as maybe make it more interesting effect to replace the back side beginning of combat trigger.Also looking for help on how to make the color pip on the left the proper three colors. I was working on cardsmith and couldn't figure out how to do it besides maybe making a custom one and then importing it.
>>96415872>>>ccg
maybe im blind and/or stupid but are there karador combo lines where you start off from grave with single use of his graveyard-cast?
>>96415860Can't you people come up with a better insult than >lolgay At least find a creative way to do it or something
>>96415881If there was one I would go there. Sorry, but I didn't want to make an entire thread/general for a single card.
I wish I could die for Thalia. My life has absolutely no value. I did 40 deep squats with only 15 fuckin pounds of weight for counterbalance and my legs are still sore 2 days later. I'm 32 I'm falling apart. I'm not even fat. I've had awful congestion that only recently went away and it felt like I couldn't breathe and it reminded me how panicked it would be to die choking on my own blood after taking an arrow for Thalia. I just want to sleep. I had sex with a skinny Indian girl with a nice body and it meant nothing to me. I barely even think about it. I feel numb to everything. If Thalia loved me and was waiting at home for me, then some of my suffering would have meaning. But she isn't and never will be. And of course it's ridiculous of me to think I would be worthy of Thalia in any state. Even if I got /fit/ I wouldn't be worthy of her. I'll still try but it is sad. I wish I could die for her. Just so my life has some meaning. To know I have my life for someone beautiful and pure.
>>96415906>faggot bootymadKek.
I'm the guy trying to build a Melek deck. I also recently saw aliana from bloomburrow and she seems to be a more reliable albeit less fun choice (she lets you copy the first instant/sorcery . I figure I can run a mostly similar deck, but swapping in more otters if I run the Otter commander. I know I can run both in the same deck regardless of who the commander is.Anybody have budget friendly card recs? I'm not running shit like rhystic study on principle but I might proxxy a Sensei's divining top. Most otter and noncreature stuff with good synergy, while not being the best, is really cheap.
I’m playing a rakdos surveil/graveyard deck what are some good game closing instants and sorceries? So far I’ve got Rise of the Dark Realms.
>>96416007Morality Shift with something like Syr Konrad on the field
>>96415732>1 good card>bunch of a shitty rocks>bunch of niche landsIts a good card no doubt but the people are right. The colorless pip will mess with you more often than not. Going "lots of colorless lands exist!" Doesn't matter as they have to fit into the deck.
>>96415906That was a creative way to do it you salty fag lmao. Sorry no one was impressed by your gay pushed deck.
>>96416007Blasphemous act + Thor = ggIt even gives you plenty of grave to work with if you fail to finish off that one dickhead running only 2 (two) creatures on his deck
>>96415102Should I build stax or hatebears?
>urza's fucking saga>niche land
>>96416078You play all of these in your deck, you nigger.
>>96416123I would maybe put 1 or 2 of those in every deck, the rest are very niche and depends.
>>96416122...yes? Do you think saga goes in every deck? Why would I put it in a deck if I dont care about its niche benefits. I dont have enchantmnet synergies, I dont have shitty rocks in my deck etc. Heck saga is hardly played in cedh and only really shines in 60 card formats.
>>96416108>should I waste people's time or waste people's timeJust go literally jerk off to exposure porn if all you plan to do is play with yourself while people have to sit around and stare at you. Play a normal deck with maybe some of those pieces in it so you can durdle a little less hard.
>>96416108Yes, force them to interact with you and slow the game down. It desperately needs it at this point.
>>96416129>>9641613329.95% of all Commander decks play Reliquary Tower. 20.25% of all Commander decks play Rogue's Passage. And don't forget incredibly "niche" cards like the Painlands, which every single deck ever made runs as an untapped dual.Are you retarded?
>>96416133Saga fetches Sol Ring and that is enough to justify its existance.
Who would ever play incredibly niche cards like Ancient Tomb and Sol Ring.
>>96416021Funnily enough I want that to be my finisher in my Syr Konrad deck. Sadly, the foil is like 40 bucks since it only has one printing but it'd be a cool little treasure.
>>96415102>managed to finish my fun edh deck just in time for my friend group to stop playing this decade again awardHow do you cope with this?
>>96416136>he hasn't felt the joy of running GAAIV with Smothering Tithe, Rhystic Study, and a buttload of other stax and Persistent Petitioners Making everyone scream in despair while I chill in my pillow fort is pure bliss.
>>96415150Minas Morgul and other stuff that gives Shadow.
I finally got most of the cards for my first deck and some extra stuff i found that seemed cool, but now i'm at 110.Could you guys help me cut it down please?Also if you have any recommendations for cards I should still get i'd be happy to hear those too.https://moxfield.com/decks/JDlj0kQMn0iLfr-4bXDCpg
>>96415272>Blood Artist player>can't sacrifice it in responseI'm not mad, just disappointed.
>Sorry fog.dec and One Ring user fags- a new sheriff is in town.
>>96416482does anyone actually loop TOR? It's one turn of protection and that's rarely used to actually keep anyone safe, it's better to just win using the most busted draw engine ever printed.
>>96416491>oh you thought you were safe from my creature horde for a turn because you cast your overpushed bullshit One Ring card? Sorry fag.
>>96416514>he says while playing an overpushed card>TOR player wont just have removal after drawing half their deck
>>96416202now what do you learn from this?maybe try and play your fun edh from the start next decade
Insano smackRGInstantAs long as there are 5 or more other spells or abilities on the stack, all spells have shroud and this spell gains split second.All players take X damage, where X is the number of spells or abilities on the stack, plus the sum of their owned spells mana values. If any of these spells had their alternative mana costs paid, this spells deals double damage.
>>96416565TOR only draws 1 card the turn it comes in, noob
Fracking is based!3BBEnchantement - AuraEnchant LandEnchanted land looses all abilitiesEnchated land has "Drill Baby, Drill - T: Put a Frack counter on target land you control other than enchated land without a Frack counter on it. Then Create thrice X treasures, where X is the amount of Frack counters among lands you control"(A land with a frack counter loses all mana abilities. If each land you control has a Frack counter on it, sacrifice each land you control)
>>96416741>looses
>>96416450Gearhulk and Fear of Burning Alive are not really doing a lot for how much mana they cost.I'd try to look at anything over 5.Chaos Warp isn't really worth it unless you're in mono-red. The options suck but black can take care of enchantment and red takes care of artifacts. With the downside it's just bad unless you really need it.Solemn Simulacrum also kind of sucks in your colors you have the best rituals.Other than those I would just look to cut what you can starting from the highest mana value down stuff like Kaervek.
>>96416741>Put a Frack counter on target land you control other than enchated land without a Frack counter on it>If each land you control has a Frack counter on it, sacrifice each land you controlPlease kill yourself
>>96416741Needs to give more than X as you are essentially drawing all the resource you can from that land forever
>>964160066 mana do nothing wont work even in casual pods.
>>96416202That's some really bad timing. Does your group just give up the game regularly?
>>96416741this is a red card
Are there any new toys for a suicidal black deck? I haven't been able to keep up with releases lately
>>96415735>he plays landslop decks
>>96415102>TQIrrelevant, time-wasting answer.
>>96415199Damn good deal
>>96415872Interesting enough
Holy shit i forgot how much of a pain double sleeving is
Guys, I can feel myself slowly succumbing to the power of blue. Just the other week I've replaced my boros deck with an esper one because I needed the cards. Now I look at my decks and see zero decks without blue. How do I stop enjoying blue?
>>96417357you dont.why would you lock yourself out of the enjoyment of the whole picture this game has to offer? i will never understand color nazis
>always 5 or so cards unavailable in my online order>2-4 are always staple cards that my decks really want to function properly>somehow it's always different cards so it's not like i'm just waiting for one or two specific ones to come back in stock
>>96416006All of the "not the best" otters become much much better when you can copy them with Alania. Lots of blockers on the board, lots of effects.
>>96417447>hey sorry, we are missing $0.50 uncommon due to an inventory error. we shipped you the rest and refunded you the $0.50
Anons, what are the best cards to make tokens in a mono black aristocratic deck, and how manny? I currently have 7 and im not getting enough fodder for sac effects
>>96417532Ophiomancer is one of the best at 3 mana, since it triggers *each* upkeep, not just your own.
>>96417532> God TierPawn of Ulamog, Ophiomancer, Bitterblossom, Endrek Sahr, Sifter of Skulls>Good TierDreadhorde Invasion, Jadar, ghoulcaller of Nephalia, Gisa the Hellraiser, Lord Skitter, sewer king>PlayableLiliana's Mastery, Ogre Slumlord, Desecrated Tomb
>>96417623Not Liliana's Mastery, Open the Graves.
>>96417532bitterblossom, deadhorde invasion,gravecrawler, reassembling skeletons variations, nether traitor, nim devourer, silversmote ghoul, any of the draft uncommons/rares with an alternate cost you can also cast from GY, bloodsoaked champion, the new timeline culler, there's a raid one but that's not as useful
>>96417623Thanks anon, appreciate it. Should i up the number to 10 sources? At 7 I have problems getting any out, even with a decent ammount of draw cards
>>96417623>>god tierthe generation of tokens in black continues to be in a sad state, which is a good thing. Fuck tokens.
>>96417623>BitterblossomFuck this fucking card and fuck Oko too
>>96417532in my rakdos aristocrats deck, I run 6 token engines and 18 cards that produce tokens in same way.
>>96417701Yea 7 just doesn't seem like enough,il make some changes. Thanks anons
>>96417700>want to build gix as monoblack edric because you can get a bunch of deathtouch, flying and shadow creatures for pennies>bitterblossom would be so fucking perfect but it costs like $20>figure there's no point in even building the deck if it's missing the most obvious best card for it>go back to playing regular edricSurely jotc will reprint it in Llorwyn 2 (as a special guest card available only in the collector boosters that goes for $50 maybe)
>>96417739Retarded hands typed this post
>>96415181Ukkima/Cazur or Derevi, Empyreal Tactician. Ideally you want a commander that's reliably "sticky" or can wear the stat modifications well.
>>96417750I'll note that you're unable to state where exactly I'm wrong and move on.
>>9641767910 Sources is fine but usually with aristocrats you're abusing reassembling skeleton type cards for your sac outlets more.How many cards like that are you running?
I love this guy in xenagosespecially when I get to hideaway one of the big green draw spells with him
>>96417796>I cant build a deck because ONE token producer is expensive>not even the best card Bad retard doodoodhead that wasn't difficult at all
>>96417815>not even the best cardIn Gix? Yeah it kind of is actually, unless you're going to say it's cabal coffers or something.
lorewise, who is/was the strongest character in the MtG multiverse?new to magic, joined from the FinalFantasy release and very interested in the lore overall and how big it is, but i do need to know ehos the big powerful entity.
>>96417532NTR-san, of course!
>>96417836>lorewise, who is/was the strongest character in the MtG multiverse?
>>96417836Yawgmoth. No one comes even close to the top spot thanks to him
>>96417286I appreciate the at least one response, do you happen to have any thoughts on maybe a different ability for the backside's 2nd? I'd like to keep it in the realm of combat focused but I could go with anything, I'd like to not just steal another card's ability.
>>96417802Wow, only 5. That seems like far too little.
>>96417836In terms of sheer power it's a toss-up between Urza and Nicol Bolas. No one else even comes close.In terms of actual achievements it's either Urza or Yawgmoth.Personally I'd say Urza. It's been thousands of years and his influence is still represented in sets to this day.
>>96417836Thats a tricky question, sort of. The universe recently* went through a depowering because time got so shitter-shattered everything was coming undone and the solve was for all the planeswalkers to give up their god-like powers. So before that, the list looks something like this:>Urza>Yawgmoth jockeying for first slot>Nicol Bolas in a distant thirdBut now all the planewalkers are severely gimped in power so its a much less clear set of winners. Maybe something like this:>Emrakul>Ugin>Nicol Bolas but the gap is closing quickly>*:2007
>>96417855doesn't that spirit from kamigawa dethrones him? not o-kagashi but the other one.or even urza planeswalker is stronger?perhaps even one of the 9 titans we havent seen as card yet?emrakul is a contender as well for strangest lorewise.
>>96417855Yawgmoth was just a dude, do you think he could take Emrakul or prime Bolas head on?
>>96417935There's nothing mere about that mortal, famalam
>>96417878Well first off- what DONT you like about it? The CMC on the frontside definitely should be at least 1 more, or 1 blue one white. Wizards would probably have the backsides second ability trigger at end of turn
>>96417938Sure but still his primary achievement was phyrexia's creation, not his own might.
>>96417957The Roman Legion wasn't considered powerful because Caesar could wrestle anyone else into submission. Military might and expansionism is strength.
>>96417884I'd say you want about 20 cards that are disposable bodies in an aristocrats list. Run stuff that does double duty if you can like Woe Strider to help with redundancy. It's unfortunate but aristocrats lists tend to be very samey because of how many pieces you want to make it work.
>>96417957wasn't Yawgmoth in godform like a threat to the whole multiverse simply by existing?
>>96417967If we're going by that standard then the eldrazi titans still win, they spawn endless armies of reality warping eldritch kaijus that annihilate entire planes.Yawgmoth corrupted worlds but the eldrazi can delete them entirely, not to mention that their corruptive abilities are arguably more effectively than phyresis as well so they even beat Yawgmoth at his own game.
>>96417896>doesn't that spirit from kamigawa dethrones him? not o-kagashi but the other one.Kyodai is strong, but nowhere near Yawg>or even urza planeswalker is stronger?HA, no. Even at full power, Urza had to to enact a plan over centuries just to make a weapon powerful enough to kill Yawgmoth>perhaps even one of the 9 titans we havent seen as card yet? HAHAHA. Yawg stomped them all without lifting a finger>emrakul is a contender as well for strangest lorewise.Possibly. But to this day we've never seen even a glimpse of Emrakul's full power, so the jury's still out and Yawgmoth is still number 1
>>96417935He was a dude who ended up fusing with an entire plane and went on to threaten the entire fucking MULTIVERSE. Bolas would be anally raped and Emrakul would be hacky-sacked out of the third dimension
>>96418012>Even at full power, Urza had to to enact a plan over centuries just to make a weapon powerful enough to kill YawgmothHe had to play the long game because Yawgmoth had effective surveillance over all of Dominaria; the Legacy wasn't Urza's first plan, nor his second: Those were the Bloodline project and the Metathran, respectively.
>>96417981It started as a Vincent nuke everything while Giving him indestructible, get him massive and swing for lethal, but I realized I dont want a 1 trick pony that will get me jumped by the 2 remaining players. It was going to be that Zurgo nuke everything while his indestructible saves him then just swing in for commander damage
>>96417835nta, but it must truly suck to be you, if you don't build a deck because you can't have a single card that you would have a ~1% chance of drawing that has no immediate impact anyways
>>96418056Nah anon its the best card ever cant make my budget deck without it
>>96418056>that you would have a ~1% chance of drawingBro it's a Gix deck. I have to play Feldon's Cane to make sure I'm not decking myself on turn 5.
>>96417836Not a lore fag, but maybe this guy. From what I've gathered from his wiki entry, he is written like a OP donut steel OC
>>96417941I kind of dont like just ripping the card text straight from Arna. It feels lazy and uninspired as well as off flavor from what I outlined with her being like a promoted lacky.I had a really boring lifegain effect on it before the doubling thing based on discarding cards but scrapped that because I decided I wanted it more about getting in during combat.And yeah the more I think of it, the front should be like 2W so I'm with you there.
>>96417836>all these objectively wrong answersit's aminatou. it's even said by the writers she is the most powerful everand she is canon!
Shouldn't Valgavoth be similarly powerful to Yawgmoth?They both derived their power from being fused with a plane that they had total control over and possessed non-planeswalker means of affecting the multiverse.
>>96418090It its that fast, why even bother with an upkeep only trigger? Also seems like you build it anyways
>>96418053You'll probably get more hate for playing Zurgo than for playing Vincent. Have you considered Yahenni?
>>96418105Yeah but Valgavoth is cringe 80s bait nu-WotC, he is less powerful by defaukt
>>96417836>Taysir of Rabiah was the most powerful of the PREREVISIONIST planeswalkers, and where he stands compared to Urza is debatable.heres your answer.JotC memoryholed this guy, he mogs anyone mentioned so far.
>>96418090What a bizarre lie lmao
someone confirm this before I spend money.>I activate yes-man targeting opp A>while holding priority I voltaic key targeting yes-man>I let voltaic key resolve>I activate yes-man targeting opp B>I let yes-man targeting opp B resolve, draw two cards, put a quest counter on yes-man and opp B gains control of a tapped yes-man>I let yes-man targeting opp A resolve, draw two cards, put a quest counter on yes-man and opp A gains control of a tapped yes-man
>>96418136First trigger fizzles. You cant give yes man to someone else if B has control of it now.
>>96418112>It its that fastWell it draws a lot of cards but it doesn't win with them right away. It doesn't have extra turns or overruns like Edric does so it mostly just chips until it can get an overwhelming advantage with grey merchant or exsanguinate, and it doesn't have the ramp to turbo those out into a win.>>96418133An exaggeration maybe, but I assume you don't know what Gix does. Read the card and figure out why drawing 7-12 cards each turn isn't that hard.
>>96418136yeah you can and you draw 4. the first ability only targets an opponent and says they gain control. you are not giving anything and are not required to control him anymore after the ability has been activated
>>96418165but i dont give yes man. the ability says target opp gets control of yes man. as long as yes man doesnt leave the battlefield between triggers the permanent the trigger refers to is still identifiable and should work.>>96418196thats what I believe. i guess i should get ready for lots of discussions if i build him.
>>96418196Wrong. You cannot give control of someone else's permanent. And you only draw the cards>when they doDon't mislead the guy.
>>96418202Its not yours to give control of at that point anymore im not sure why this is difficult. AND EVEN IF it worked like you want it to, player B would draw the cards, as card draw is a reflexive ability tied to losing control of Yes man>WHEN THEY DO... YOU (yes mans controller)
>>96418205you don't give anything you are just targeting an opponent who then will gain control of the permanent thanks to the ability that yes man created
>>96418176>all this fake bait about not wanting to build a deck because of a single card just to talk about your obvious run of the mill buildAnother day in the edhg
>>96418216>you dont give anything>they just going control of it>WHEN THEY DORead >>96418214You are both simply wrong.
>>96418176>t1 evasive creature>t2 evasive creature>t3 gix draw 2>t4 2 evasive creatures draw 4>t5 2-3 evasive creatures draw 6-7Not seeing how you deck yourself by turn 5 here my guy. Hyperbole helps no one
>>96418214>player B would draw the cardsthey don't control the ability so they wouldn't draw. saying people can't gain control of things you don't control is like saying wrong turn doesn't work when targeting creatures you don't control
>>96418214>(yes mans controller)no, the controller of the ability>>96418221"when they do" gain control of yes man is what that refers, and they will, thanks to the ability you control
>>96418214the reflexive triggers checks if the player controlling yes man as the ability resolves is A. an opponent of the owner of the triggerB. the target of the abilityC. in control of yes manthis is to prevent flicker effects in response to the ability from working but not the untapping.
>>96418235>>96418244>when they do, you (yes mans controller)Bring it up with a judge when you finally make the deck. You've been educated you can cheat all you want
>>96418247The reflexive trigger is tied to who controls the card. It is literally crystal clear you guys just want it to work this way, it doesnt. Trigger is the retarded anon, the reflexive trigger is whoever controls Yes man.
>>96418234You forget the part where the draw 4 are also just evasive creatures, lest this whole thing wouldn't happen consistently
>>96418219>your obvious run of the mill buildShould I be building monoblack group hug or thrull tribal or what? Please give me your approved list so that I'm not playing a generic Gix deck.No shit I'm building Gix as a Gix deck. If I wanted to build something else I'd run a different commander.It's obnoxious that there's an ideal card for the deck that makes tokens with evasion rare in black for low cmc creatures and the only reason I can't run it is because this game is held up by whales.>>96418234I already told you I was exaggerating bro what more do you want from me?
>>96418299>he doesn't buy low and then never sellsyeaaah sucks to be uuu
>>96418263straight from the judges mouth so you dont have to die dumb, tard-kun>inb4 muh no name judgeI trust a no life judge on irc waiting for rules questions to answer all day long more than anon on a mongolian basket weaving board>i was just pretending to be retardedyeah
>>96418314This. Jeska's Will was $0.50 during prerelease at one point and I bought 6 because it was obvious how broken it was. Most of my cards now worth >$30 I bought when they were selling <$5. You can build a collection of gems for pennies if you're good at evaluating card quality and power.
anyone play jund? I'm thinking of having lord windgrace be my tubo ramp commander but im not sure
In my Azusa deck should I cut Farhaven and Wood Elves for some 1 fast mana like a lotus petal, birds of paradise, llanowar elves?
>>96418408Yes
>>96418415Why? Those cost more, but give me permanent ramp. Isn't that better than just sometimes getting her out more reliably on turn 2? That's the only reason I haven't done so.
>>96418443are you running some form of elf tribal subtheme? because you can get those effects from 2cmc cards
>>96418443I never thought I'd see someone too dumb to pilot Azusa of all things lol
>>96418382>wanted to do a budget challenge with my friends>have good cards for my theme in my collection >remember these cards being a few pennies, literal draft chaff from precons>check price, all 2-6 dollars, making them off budget
>>96418478No. What 2cmc cards? I know of Sakura Tribe Elder, but that's on sack, not on ETB.>>96418482That's not really a proper critique.
>>96418526>What 2cmc cards?you have never heard of farseek or rampant growth?
>>96418482Azuza is irrelevant anyways and only exists to be Tifa's royal bedwarmer and mistress of the privy chambers at this point.
>>96418526>>96418725Not to mention Nature's Lore and Three Visits>>96418443Run the 1 mama Llanowar Elf clones, Arbor Elf and wild growth+Utopia Sprawl. Turn 2 Azuza+dropping 2 lands that turn is better than the 3 mana search elves, though Wood Elves isn't the worst as the forest enters untapped. Now what exactly are you planning to do with all this mana exactly?
>>96417836the player
>>96418401Jund is a pretty reliable combination. Planeswalker Windgrace or Soul Windgrace?
>>96418905Nah Urza would beat the shit out of me and Yawgmoth has protection from me.
>>96418299I want you to issue a public apology for misleading me anon. Make it out to "magic master micah"
>>96418935both of them became playable cards so they are no longer even plausibly stronger than the player
>>96418378>no mention of the reflexive trigger>just the ability>the ability isnt drawing you cards, the reflexive trigger isYeah id ask a better judge LOL
>>96418905>>96418935is the player still technically oldwalker-tier?
>>96418971Yeah well I'm a 7 mana 5.5/10 rocking the brown color identity. Urza would fucking wreck me.
>>96417836Urza, he's the protagonist of mtg lore
>>96418725Oh no I have. I thought you meant creature cards.>>96418758How dare you.>>96418758>Now what exactly are you planning to do with all this mana exactly?Drop down big green creatures and turn them sideways. What else would green do?
>>96419138>5'6''>Brown eyesYikes, an untouchable!
>tfw found out that hackizaki based fromsoft fantasy games on mtgit's just so obvious once you know. the item flavor text. the love for poison swamps. he's a massive mono blackfag.
>>96419393>tfw A10I definitely have the ego to believe I belong there, but my actions speak another story
>>96418114I have, hes in the 99 and ive considered switching him and Vincent
>>96417836On the hero side, Sigarda held her own pretty well against evil rape aliens, Jace is still alive so that's something too. Technically on the physical side of things my nigga Gideon could make himself fucking invincible and only died to save another planeswalker, that has to count for something. Enemy side I'd have to get back to you on since I think a lot of the ones that come to mind offhand like Elesh Norn are fucking dead so I'm not sure
>>96419480Pics or fake and gay.
>>96419604get fucked feds, you'll never catch me
>>96418096He's actually pretty low power through most of the book. He later becomes an oldwalker. The strongest creatures in mtg are planeswalkers after the lore reset for urea and co but before the Mending>>96417935Yawgmoth eventually became a giant death cloud of black mana and was only killed due to urea setting up literal eugenics programs and super artifacts that took hundreds of years tk gather and build. Papa yawgy was real big deal the power scale.
>scroll through edhrec>multiple mono color commander decks have a 4-6% use of command toweram I missunderstanding how this website works or are there a shit ton of retards playing this game? this is making me think I should disregard this website entirely what is the advantage of a command tower in a mono color deck over just a basic land?
>>96418105Valgavoth is the house not the plane. He's very strong, but hampered by being trapped/bound to the house. Most of his power comes from being able to manipulate monsters in the house to drag humans to him.yawgmoth had literal millennia to make himself into a super weapon and had zero restrictions.Imo he's more closer to avacyn/griselbrand. So very strong but not in the same tier
>>96419617t. T50
>>96419648some people just like to play it as a joke
>>96419138>7 power 15 toughness blueHell, I'd play me
>>96419596It gets really murky because yes Gideon is indestructible but what if something just mind-shattered him? Bolas punked the whole jacetice league effortlessly too, until wotc decided it was time for him to lose in war. Eldrazi are scary bu apparently not if Nissa just...sets them on fire really hard or something I guess?It's about as silky as arguing whether sonic or the flash is faster
>>96419648Most colours have a way to steal/recur this or its effect while they're on the stack, denying resources and ramping in their place.I'm kidding. Most people just put it in without thinking.
>>96419648Depending on the version, it just looks cool. Same reason I use snow themed lands
>>96419648Most people don't even run enough lands as is, they have no idea what is happening
>>96418105yawgmoth folded urza like he was nothing. valgavoth couldnt beat a gaggle of nu walkers in his nightmare realm. they arent even remotely close
>>96417836Gay Bolas when he's filled with Ugin's white mana. He's the Gogeta of MtG.Solo powerscaling is the player, followed by Guff.
>>96419617>A10>Is worried about fedsThat's T50 behavior for sure.
>>96418105
what are some other good cards for protecting enchantments/artifacts in mono b?
>>96419652the plane is the house now tho and everything down to safehouses and supplies is spawned by valgavoth which he did to stock up on humans when portals weren't randomly opening to other planeshe could yawgmoth out if he wasn't limited by his nature as a demon, over being a mortal with higher potential
>>96419648I play it in Krenko as a funny bit
>>96419740defiled crypt/cadaver lab, for artifacts you can go with any treasure producer, like pitiless plunderer, or warren soultrader of course
>>96419723I'd pay good money to see WotC try writing this only because it would completely fucking embarrass them to do worse than GBA's fanfiction.
>>96419748Not exactly. Valg was a greater demon and got sealed in the house, but learned it could manipulate the house to obtain food.this sorted throughout the plane, but a lot of duskmourne is weak as shit.Val could probably get way more powerful if not bound to be house , but yawgy had millennia to experiment and multiple planes worth of sacrifices and worship and experiments to make him as powerful as he was
>>96419648downside is negligible and it's funny, laugh more
>>96419740Warping Wail, if it's sorcery removal.
>>96419652Is Griselbrand very strong? Did the Grizzler ever do anything except lose every fight he's ever been in?
>>96419942Canon innistrad demons are weaker than angels, but their advantage is they literally cannot be permanently killed(they just reconstitute after time).He got eaten by the chain veil because he was one of lillianas Faustian bargains
>>96419942>>96419969To add, his big deal was being such a pain avacyn tried to stuff him in the helvault and got stuck herself, which is why she vanishes in og innistrad until lilli lets them out
>>96419980stuck in a hole in the wall-type plot. actually kinda surprised nobody's ever drawn that r34, would go multiplat in jap circles
>>96420116no one, and I mean no one, cares about magic lore, you're more likely to get all humans are destroyed doujin
>>96419740Proxy it.
>>96420153True. WOTC went all in on UB slop for a reason
Im gonna make a urza deck i promise not to tutor for static orb turn 2
>>96420116>>96420153There's porn of avacyn being fucked by griselbrand in the helvault if I recall. I remember threads here discussing it when the story came out.
>>96419726>implying thirdies are afraid of fedsI've seen T50's do things you people wouldn't believe. Attacking military ships in rafts off the shoulder of Somalia. I watched glowies glitter in the dark near the OceanGate. All those moments will repeat endlessly in time, like logs of shit swirling in the ganges' whirlpools. Time to do nothing.
>>96420238The game is perfect. The lore is beyond garbage. Everytime wotc accidentally makes something cool like phyrexians, racist nissa, racist lorwyn elves or vampire Conquistadors, they fuck it up and self sabotage to turn it lame and gay. UB slop spam makes perfect sense to me and I for one welcome it.
>>96420288Did you have a schizo episode half way through writing your post? The fuck are you talking about?
>>96420344The funny thing is that it has gotten so bad, fans like gay Bolas anon are handing them good writing on a silver platter yet they refuse to take it. Brandon Sanderson wrote a charity story for them and WotC couldn't resist burning the bridge in an attempt to squeeze out a few extra dollars.
>>96417578Abhorrent OverlordSengir AutocratChittering WitchDreadhorde InvasionBitterblossomBlack Market ConnectionsEndrek Sahr, Master BreederJadar, Ghoulcaller of NephaliaGhoulcaller GisaOphiomancer
>>96420344Ixalan is such a cool setting FUCK
>>96420362>WotC couldn't resist burning the bridge in an attempt to squeeze out a few extra dollars.QRD?
>>96420362brandon sanderson is a gay hack who writes tranny literature and his magnum opus is primarily an exploration of the main character's depression for like 5 books
>>96420355
>>96420382He wrote a story for WotC under the condition that it had to be available for free online and all physical sales had to go to charity.WotC took down the free version and kept the money for themselves.
>>96419444top left is literally a fake card
>>96419138>a 3/17 for 4 mananot bad
>>96420417That sounds worse than anything GW's done, what the fuck
>>96420421
>>96420362>Brandon SandersonThis guy fucking sucks, his books are WotC lore tier writing
>>96420429WotC is just a shithead company after all. people tend to forget the Pinkerton shit that went down just a few years back.Add to that the extreme Shrinkflation of Boosters and Booster Displays and suddenly Proxies are the easiest moral high horse to take
>>96416450Blessing of Leeches has been a great add to my Valgavoth Deck. Protection but you don't have to worry about losing the counters.
>>96420429Oh yeah and Sanderson himself wrote the story for free, probably because he knew WotC could never afford him.
>>96420474Nooo you don't understand it's wrong to proxy in an unofficial setting where you're playing with friends!!! Please don't turn MtG into DnD where everyone plays it for free!!!
My parent threw out my upgraded ureni deck. No good reason for doing so. They just saw it on vacation and didn't know who it belonged to, so they threw it out and took the trash to the street. I really loved that deck. With Ureni and Sentinel Wyrm I just spammed big old dragons.
>>96420759Sucks to suck bro. My mom bought me a Amonket Masterpiece Locust God for my Birthday because she loves me.
>>96419866I'll laugh when I kill someone's fatty with defile
>>96420428What are you, a hobbit?
>>96420421It isn't, I even recall the exact card being on one of the devs desks from some behind the scene thing.I can't find it now, but here's a picture from dark souls 1 development, note the card to the left of the calculator.
>>96420248Make an Urza beatdown deck with shit like hot soup and team pennant and beat people to death with karnstructs while ramping with equipment and ornithopters.
>Josh Lee Kwai posts a list of all his commander decks>they're all linear sloprofl
nth for bristly bill
>>96420912Go back to bed, Josh Lee Kwai.
>play picrel in Bant>use Exotic Orchard to squeeze in an extra +1 counterthis was a mild but very sweet almond activation
I'm surprised how few cards emulate this effect. I can only think of like 3 or 4
You WILL use brackets.You WILL guess my bracket without me telling youYou WILL accept a game loss if you guess wrong
>>96421065this card is dumb
I WILL SHIT FIRE DOWN YOUR THROAT AND YOU WILL CHOKE ON IT
>>96421145Brackets are just the old power system with less numbers, which also didn't work.
>>96421162Not really. They are entirely arbitrary, especially the GC shit>putt 3 GC in deck and it is bracket 3>put in 4 and it is bracket 4Extremely retarded.
>>96421169per-bracket banlist
>>96421169Both systems are useless, back in the day everyone just said their deck was a 7. It turns out players can't be trusted to self regulate in any capacity.
>>96421169>get a gun thats legal>put an illegal modification on it>no longer legal wtf
>>96421169It's not retarded. It serves to effectively limit both the price ranges and power of decks to a meaningful degree.Of course 3 vs 4 GCs doesn't usually make a huge difference, but the cut off point needs to be somewhere and 3 is a sensibly low amount.
>>96421162The old system didn't have a definitive way to tell if the guy across from you was being a lying faggot with their "my deck is a 7" bullshit.It's not perfect, but it's a large improvement on the old system
>>96421153The only times I have ever had someone get salty and toss a fit is when I've played this. It has happened twice now. People are little bitches.
>>96421201The problem is it lets WotC be lazy about things. Instead of banning the obvious outliers in the format (Rhystic Study, The One Ring, Cyclonic Rift) they can just say, "Oh yeah it's a game changer."
>>96421239>banning rhystic and cyc riftpack your own interaction?
>>96421247since anything can be interacted with there's no reason to ban any card
>>96421239Lots of cards are banned in commander so i don't really think that's the reason.
>>96421239>Why won't they just ban everything I don't like?!
suggestions?
>>96421323You like The One Ring...? One of the most pushed, ubiquitously present cross-format cards in all of Magic: the Gathering?
>>96421239Doesn't banning cards reduce the value of those cards, and therefore the value of those packs??Because now you're talking about Wizards losing money, and thats what this is all about isn't it, at the end of the day
>>96421334Cards can be strong. They shouldn't be banned just because (You) don't like them. Last (You) for whiny children like you.
>>96421343So you do like boring pushed best-in-class staples that every deck should run from here to the end of time?
>>96421239There is literally no problem with Rhystic Study beyond people being completely fucking retarded and incapable of tolerating paying 1 fucking extra mana for your spells. It literally was a joke in every format until the format where's you're supposed to be shit at the game was created.
>>96421358It's a one-sided sphere of resistance when "played around" and a pubstomper's wet dream when not. It deserves to be banned.
>>96421362Just remove and pay.Don't have removal in your deck?That's on you and you should learn to get good instead of being a faggot and demanding bans.Don't answer, the fact you're whining about rhystic lets us know you're bad.
>>96421362Yes, and an one-sided sphere for resistance for 2U sees no play in any format where people aren't expected to be and stay dogshit at the game, nevermind a sphere of resistance that won't work when you actually need it to work.
>>96421371How many unusable rhystic studies do you own
just pay the one
>>96421362Yes, it's only good when you're playing against people who are bad at the game as you yourself admitted. That's why it's a game changer.
A card that relies on your opponents being retarded... where have I heard of that before?
>>96421371>>96421385>>96421407It represents an ass-raping tempo swing in everything from casual to competitive. Don't delude yourselves.
>3 mana draw 50 is fine gus
>>96421443Its a draw nothing if you have a brain cell, you clearly don't.
>>96421439It's not an ass-raping tempo swing to make enemy spells cost 1 more unless they don't feel like paying the cost, no. You're just delusional.>>96421443Pay the 1 retard
ban all "staple" cards if any two decks have any card overlaps ban them
>>96421470>staplefag gets mad when you point out he's running ubiquitous slop
>>96421443Stop being greedy and stop letting a player draw 50 fucking cards because you didn't want to be minorly inconvenienced
>>96421459It should be banned by the same principle that Trade Secrets was banned. Some mouthbreathing retard feeds the Rhystic Study player, the Rhystic Study player wins. Seen it happen countless times with 0 counterplay on my part beyond whether I have removal in-hand at the time.
>>96421499that shouldn't be banned either the other players should just have interaction if they want to stop it
If nothing else I am glad the RC showed a hint of spine banning (most) fast mana before they got bought out by WOTC.Jeweled lotus is the poster child of why WOTC should have never started printing direct to standard cards.
>>96421499If your argument on banning Study is "some player might be a mouthbreathing retard and feed it" then I can make an argument for banning fucking Gluntch the Bestower because players might choose to do nothing with the cards and counters they're getting so the player is just ramping every turn with no downside :)
Why is selesnya such a boring color
>>96421538It has green
>>96421535Actually you can't, and if you're not bad-faithing and somehow think there's any equivalence whatsoever you're simply retarded.
>>96421569Pay the fucking 1, retard. It's not difficult. Tolerate a minor stax effect instead of letting a player walk all over you.
>>96421499>It should be banned because I cannot control my opponents??? Why do you view EDH as a team game?
>>96421546Even mono green is less boring. None of the selesnya commanders speak to me in any way.
>>96421499it should actually be banned solely because hearing "do you pay the 1?" every 5 seconds is annoying
>>96421585You could always say "Don't ask. I'll say if I am paying the 1. If I don't, then just draw."
>>96421538just a lack of unique or interesting commanders really
>>96421590i always announce if im paying my taxes or not when i cast something doesnt stop other people from casting something and then forgetting it exists tho
>>96421538This but Orzhov.
>>96421584You mean make a token then put a +1 counter on it isnt fun to you? There's a reason selesnya players wear cock cages
>>96421610>I both want THEM keeping track of the trigger but also I don't want to hear them keep trackretards
>>96421578>pay the one>next player pays the one>third player has no idea how to play and goes signet, signet, creature>"not paying the one for any of those btw"And this is how you just lose to one card.
I miss being able to play what I want.
>>96421617i dont give a shit about any of that i just dont wanna hear it 30 times a match
Some of you guys sound very bitter and irritable, i don't think people are having fun playing with you.
>>96421371rhystic study is why the topdeck cedh invitation had a draw rate of 40 something percent. it's absurdly good even at the absolute highest level of play. ban it
Is there a way to build this bitch? Seems like any deck around her cannot possibly function without her always out. I can't figure out how to build a deck with her that does not immediately concede if she is stolen.
>>96415177>>96415647>>96415663>>96416443https://moxfield.com/decks/b9ZarKpZpEeCLynY2K0DLwhow'd i do bros?
Now that the dust has settled did brackets save Commander?
>>96421697They did make me start playing, the previous system looked convoluted, annoying and way too arbitrary.
>>96421697No, it basically ruined the game.
>>96421697no people just say their deck is a "3 with some game changers" now instead of a 7 and thats if they say anything at all before the game starts
>>96421707>brackets are not arbitrarylollmaoperhaps even kek
>>96421697Fedoralords still bring $3000 optimized pubstomp decks to casual games vs precons so no.
>>96421697Before brackets>play with my friends for years. Zero issues. Sometimes we let in a stray playerAfter brackets>entitled twats try to join our group and then set retarded rules based off the bracket system no one to>game and commander night has become considerably less funIt made the game far less enjoyable. And it is being used as a rules shark attempt.
>>96421718They're much more clearly defined than power levels yeah.
>>96421153God I love this card>Cast it off of my Vivi (friends hate Japanese media of all kinds so we’re already tilted going into the game). >Also puts Vivi trigger on stack>Friend tries to counter it>Dualcaster Mage the Worldfire>Spend 30 minutes farming salt off of themWorldfiring is always funny as hell.
>>96421619Seems like a skill issue.
>>96421612Orzhov is cool. The variety isn't very high, but the two colors are polar opposites. So the way the colors mesh together is satisfying.
>>96421362>one sided sphere of resistanceYou called?
>>96421754"Every deck is aristocrats" is not better than "all decks are counters or tokens" Both are equally shit
>>96421739You friends sound based, chinese cartoons is an extremely embarrassing hobby
>>96421758he cute
>>96421429i love that he sacrifices instead of destroying itself. i think without it he would be borderline unplayable otherwise
>>96421739Im fairly certain this anon just does not play magic lol
>>96421786I can think of worse. Like politics.
>>96421739you chink posted the exact same shit with the same gif before
>>96421739based
>>96421814chinese cartoons is political though
>>96421824Imagine flipping out over fucking DBZ
>>96421670>I can't figure out how to build a deck with her that does not immediately concede if she is stolen.Run more interaction and play better
>>96421849That won't help you at all with no wincon
>>96421538Selesnya is actually pretty varied in strategy>Enchantress>Counters>Tokens>Cats>Humans>Stax>LifegainThe problem is that green is big and grinds to midgame, while white is slow, grindy, and staxy. The colors paired together exacerbate these traits. It doesn't help that Selesnya as a guild is all about rigidity and unity, which is boring and makes for boring cards.It's kind of sad, really.
>>96421670I mean the whole deck is pretty jank. Just hope you aren't the threat and camp counter magic.
>>96421670Play stuff that lets you stack the bottom of your library, search for "bottom in any order"Either ignore or build onto the second ability hard, no in betweens. Try and figure out a way to give everyone a copy of cryptic anellid.
>>96421866Ok I am just taking this as "There is no way without 100% depending on her"
>>96421853She's a one card combo with time stream navigator. I'm sure of I bothered to look I could find a few more combos with her
>>96421857To me its less about variety and more just the play pattern. There are other grindy color combos, but they are usually doing something flashy or interesting enough to keep me coming back.Selesnya feels like it steps on its own toes too much, idk how else to describe it.
>>96421875that's two cards
>just figured out forge has a tab with all the precons up to nu tarkir
>>96421894>not knowing edh terminology
>>96421913Well, does the bracket system include the commander for "no early game two card combos" if it's a three card combo including the commander?
Who's the best infect commander?
>>96421827i am not sorry for hurting your feelings by calling your chinese cartoon a chinese cartoon
>>96421925Ok?
Think youre good at building hipster decks?BREAK THIS
>>96421921>unironically using gayvins faggot bracketsConsidering how vague they made the bracket criteria yeah probably
>>96421947Seems pretty good with catch up ramp
>>96421966>breaking your legs so you can heal laterAnon...
>>96421947>>96421966>>96421976Ramp, and land drops for mono white landfall.
>>96421947field of the deadsurprise channel lands channel effectspretend moonfolk
>>96421947There's no real way to. Any use you could get out of it doesn't compensate the effort of playing it in the first place. It's complete dogshit.
>>96421153I've been wanting to pick one up since it was unbanned but it's a bit too pricy for a janky wincon imo.
>>96421947very epic combat tricks
>>96422021desu the only nonjanky wincon is combat damage
>>96421947Potentially generates infinite mana with Nykthos shrine to nyx, amulet of vigor, and patron of the moon.
>>96421065I was thinking of slotting this into Tidus, how does he feel?Just got home from my LGS, had 3 games. Tidus (won), Golbez (won), and Ureni (got wrecked lmao). Was given a free pack of EoE, a Relentless Dead, and picked up some stuff for Golbez/Golbez(2)
>>96421901I found this out after throwing together several.On that subject I wish it were easier to import my decks from moxfield, using specific printings; anything that isn't a plain text export (MTG:O option, for example) usually has the decks getting fucked up by the different formatting the text files use.
>>96421810Incorrect as always. Got into MtG with said friend’s recommendation with Khans of Tarkir. I gave constructed play one last shot around that point before abandoning it completely and joined said friends in Commander. Vivi is also an exception to my usual rule of green
>>96422076I always just grab the plain text version and bring it in, but yeah you lose specific printings. Since it's just goldfishing I don't worry about it too much.Its mostly an issue of nobody, not even WOTC, having a unified way to format cards in text.
Which do you choose?
>>96422089I'll discard a card but the guy with a Reliquary Tower and 12 cards in his hand will still let you get the creature.
>>96421881This anon >>96421857 pretty much nailed it except for your part about being flashy. To me what Selesnya does is interesting and synergistic but it’s never flashy unless it’s something like Karametra looping Whitmane Lion a billion times to get all lands onto the battlefield. Pic is my Karametra/Captain Sisay deck (minus Gandalf who I recently swapped for Kutzil). The first time someone plays against it they’ve given similar sentiments: doesn’t appear interesting or flashy until I’m doing combos and by then it’s too late for them to do anything about it.
>>96422089How many constructs and robots even are there? Plus vehicles suck.I'm not discarding.
>>96421947Nykthos, Shrine to NyxField of the DeadTalon GatesWhite Landfall cards
>>96422089In my experience the type that refuse to discard are the same that refuse to pay for shit like rhystic.
>>96422089im not doing it just because i know the other 2 wont i also cant think of any good robots, constructs or vehicles but im sure theres at least a couple
>>96422151Gearhulks, Cityscape Leveler, Depthshaker Titan, reaver titan, cyberdrive awakener, Myr Battlesphere, and Thunderhawk gunship are a few.
>>96422089How many cards do you have in hand?
>>964222604You're the first one who has to make the choice, too.
>>96421169>Not really. They are entirely arbitrary, especially the banlist shit>>putt 3 extra turns in deck and it is legal>>put in 1 time walk and it is banned>Extremely retarded.
Is lord windgrace a good commander?
>>96422270I discard Increasing Confusion.
>>96422321He's alright
I'm going to play a game of Archenemy with me as the Archenemy and Duskmourne schemes. What would be a fun deck for the other players to play against?
Is this little fella worth running in an aggro/voltron/equipment deck?
>>96421263i agree with no bans
>>96422349No, no, and no.Unblockable is a good effect but it's an effect you can get through your actual equipment on a creature that has an actual upside for getting through, and with the right evasion or big enough numbers you're basically unblockable to begin with.
>$200Why are all the final fantasy promos so fucking much.
>>96422336I've had a lot of fun against Fynn. It has a sense of inevitability to it that gives the game tons of tension. Every creature can be a lethal threat that will always at least trade resources, and you can knock people out of the game for a rising sense of danger without it lasting long enough for them to feel bad about sitting there with nothing to do.
>>96422364What does it come from?
>>96422364>why is priceSupply and demand
Whats the general consensus on proxying a precon? I want a bracket 2 deck but I am not about to spend fucking $200 on the 40k precon I want.
>>96422364It's the store championship winner card. It's not nearly as expensive as the winner urzas saga
>>96422410Proxying is generally more accepted in higher brackets. That being said preconbabs can suck dick if they get butthurt at someone proxying an overpriced precon
>>96422410Where are you located? I have a spare set of all the 40k precons still sealed
>>96422410Pretty much only faggots cry about proxying
>>96422361Alright sounds good.
>>96422349I want to make him work in a deck but the only thing I can think of is using him in some weird cumulative upkeep shenanigans
>>96422529I like how he could hit someone in the face and remove PW counters at the same time.
>>96422410Do whatever you want? The antiproxy dipshits are gonna care wayyy less that you proxied up a precon than some tryhard/sweaty $2k deck
is there a fun way to abuse picrel?>thassa>lab maniac>jacebesides those faggy methods, something interesting.give me your best ideas!
>>96422636um psychosis crawler
>>96422657or this
>>96422636are there any cards out there that double draws for everyone? outside of that i cant really think of anything since enter the infinite is one of the quintessential "i play labman/thoracle and win" cards
>>96422636Put it in a temur deck with borbo enraged and bolt the table down
>>96422529I use him to remove counters from sagas.I also have Duelist's Heritage and he's usually my only attacker, so he gets two triggers.
>>96422699glissabros..
I can't remember if I's misremembering, but I *swear* there was a card out there that made *all* spells you cast (or maybe just instant/sorceries in addition to creature spells) into all types. Maybe "all your spells have changeling" or some shit like that. Something like pic rel but for nonpermanents instead?
>>96422705that's funny, but not as useful for Ghen
>>96418126WHO IS THAT SEMEN DEMON!?SAUCE!NAO!!!
So I'm curious, what are your favorite ways to win fast that don't go infinite? I got into a discussion with a friend of mine due to most of the decks in our pod having some sort of combo aspect to them, and he was saying he doesn't feel like he "can win as fast as combo combo using anything but combo".
>>96422713He's literally saying his name, dude
>>96422636Cards = Mana! Make BIG mana! Cast BIG spells! how the fuck has the game not ended when the blue player has 12 mana available
>>96422734>card neverit hurts bros
>>96422734kek
>>96422744
>>96415102Is this a good deal?
>>96422754very
>>96422754especially on the FFX precon
>>96419138>6 power 12 toughness>costs 4 colorless and 2 greenthat's basically just the average green creature printed today anyways
>>96419138>6/13 for 7meh
>finally found a shop on tcgplayer that has all my cards>commons start at 50 cents no matter market price>rares are $1 eachWhat the fuck. How do places like these stay in business?
Commander night tomorrow.I have returned after 15 years. Tips?Deck: FF - Limit Break (lets fuck shit up)Main: 1 Sword of the Animist1 Professor Hojo1 Cid, Freeflier Pilot1 Cinder Glade1 Razorgrass Ambush4 Forest1 Cloud's Limit Break1 Exotic Orchard1 Sunpetal Grove1 Sacred Peaks1 Selesnya Sanctuary1 Arcane Lighthouse1 Bastion Protector1 Jungle Shrine1 Swords to Plowshares1 Argentum Armor1 Tifa, Martial Artist1 Wooded Ridgeline1 Champion's Helm1 Canopy Vista1 Dispatch1 Zack Fair4 Mountain1 Game Trail1 Aerith, Last Ancient1 Wrecking Ball Arm1 Gavony Township1 Ash Barrens1 Land Tax1 Command Tower4 Plains1 Lightning Greaves1 Summon: Kujata1 Rootbound Crag1 Stoneforge Mystic1 Fortified Village1 Ultima Weapon1 Clifftop Retreat1 SOLDIER Military Program1 Arcane Signet1 Behemoth Sledge1 Heidegger, Shinra Executive1 Ultimate Magic: Holy1 Bonders' Enclave1 Skullclamp1 Scroll Rack1 Blackblade Reforged1 Vanquish the Horde1 Hero's Blade1 Heliod, Sun-Crowned1 Spire of Industry1 Sol Ring1 Austere Command1 Scavenger Grounds1 Darksteel Plate1 Sword of Feast and Famine1 Sephiroth, Fallen Hero1 Professional Face-Breaker1 Helitrooper1 Bugenhagen, Wise Elder1 Puresteel Paladin1 Hero's Heirloom1 Evolving Wilds1 Colossus Hammer1 Mirrodin's Core1 Bronze Guardian1 Furycalm Snarl1 Steelshaper's Gift1 Path of Ancestry1 Walking Ballista1 Elena, Turk Recruit1 Red XIII, Proud Warrior1 Inspiring Statuary1 Cait Sith, Fortune Teller1 Cloud, Midgar Mercenary1 Armory Automaton1 Summoning Materia1 Unfinished Business1 Buster Sword1 Rampant Growth1 Barret Wallace1 Yuffie, Materia Hunter1 Barret, Avalanche Leader1 Radiant Grove1 Conqueror's Flail1 Cave of the Frost Dragon1 Lifestream's Blessing1 Trailblazer's Boots1 Conformer Shuriken1 Vincent, Vengeful AtonerCommander: 1 Cloud, Ex-SOLDIER
>>96422773>has all my cardsThat's how. People may pay the extra because it may be less overall due to shipping costs. Stores with very large quantities of cards can charge more.
>>96422773by buying them for half that price
>>96422636Words of War and infinite mana.
>>96422780>Tips?put your list on Moxfield and don't post it here like this
>>96422773Storefront for illegal activities.This people hustle drugs and play magic.Accountants love MTG for the loopholes and exploits.
>>96421153I bet people had gotten stab becuse of this card.
>>96422789But then THEY will know...
>>96422791lol
>>96422791How to launder money.>have tons of illegal cash>angel invest on a failing hobby store>buy bulk stock of sealed products >open everything >sell singles >sell high item cards >inject cash flow>???>profitThat piece of shinny card board that cost .5 cents was sold for 5k.IRS, ok.
ALRIGHT /EDHG/, I've got a challenge for you.I want to see what your most powerful deck you can build is with one restriction, you may only use cards from the last 3 sets (EoE, Final Fantasy, Tarkir).Too often I hear people complain that the most recent sets are uber pushed and powercreep, but I want to see just how true that is if you ignore the power already latent in Magic's history already.The only restriction is that you may not use any "through the ages" style re-print cards, as it would be all too easy to simply build something off the backs of things like Yawgmoth, Rhystic Study ect. from the FF set.I look forward to seeing what you guys think in the strongest.
>>96421153>people complain about games going too long>this card ends the game within minutes of resolving, even without a comboProof that commander players can never EVER be fucking satisfied
>>96422821ButMY LAAAAAANDS
>>96422819You just want to play Standard. Check the /mtg/ general.
>>96422754No anon, wait a few months and it will be even lower, wait this one out.*buys all*
>>96422830Actually I think that the last 3 sets would have a healthier metagame than standard currently does because it doesn't have most of the degeneracy printed in foundations.
>>96422636Behold
>>96422636everybody die
>>96422846God I wish this was in blue or green. It would go great with my Pride of Hull Clade deck
>pride of hull clade
>>96422819Standard commander sounds like an interesting idea, probably. But 100 card singleton with a mediocre land base sounds bad.
>>96422900That's a good thing. People can't build 3 or 4 color value piles this way. They will have to focus on fewer colors with all its drawbacks and restrictions.
>>96422708Sounds like a stronger maskwood nexus.
>>96422729You know you can just hit people in the face, right? It's ridiculous how often you can win by having a fast token deck with some overrun effect. Or something like Kamahl, were you animate all your lands, and you guessed it, hit your opponents in the face. Players often do nothing but ramp and durdle for the first rounds and get visibly confused when someone attacks them.
>>96422900To be fair EoE just reprinted all the good shocks
>>96422925>mono W>"Its ridiculous how often you can win by having a fast token deck"red just does this better with Krenko
>>96422925no because you need 120 damage
>>96422925>swing tokens for lethal on one guy >immediately get hit with thisresponse?
>>96422951Nothing personal, kiddo
>>96422910It has to be that, but I just could fuckin swear there was something that made all your instants/sorceries into Tribal versions for some reason
>>96422973heh... it was a hologram
>>96422925She is the best at putting the fear of god in to durdling rampers and murdering them.
>>96423043post a list that actually kills a player consistently before turn 5
>>96423079He has, it's actually not bad for killing *one* person by T4, but man after that it's like infect: everyone will be spooked and now it's 2v1 and good luck, fucker
>>96423079>>96423085I've been working on the list. It's still capable of turn 3 kills but now usually presents it's first lethal damage Tifa around turn 4. I sacrificed consistent turn 3 killing speed for a grindier landfall engine that gives me a better chance to beat the other two players at the table and also get wins if Tifa is permanently taken offline with something like Volatile Storm Drake or Drannith Magistratehttps://moxfield.com/decks/DAhte3U86EabbqFWkCMDmg
>>96423100It could be improved with cards like Lunra, Exploration, Scapeshift, Verdant Catacombs and Misty Rainforest but I'm only using real cards I own. Mr Mailman is going to deliver Elvish Reclaimer soon but shit came from Wyoming and I guess they don't have many Mailmen there because it's been a month since ship date and still no reclaimer.
>>96422364>he didn't win his local store championship
>>96423043turn 3 isn't durdling by any means
tifa who?
>>96421947mystic sanctuary extra turn
>>96423136Hated having to convert Noyan-Dar to her due to playgroup’s powercreep and arms race, but it is a massive improvement >Blue and white protection out the ass>A lot of two cost cards getting reduced to one mana and the one mana artifacts becoming zero>Bunch of shitty white and blue chaff pump cards become very, very goodShe basically works as a combat-oriented version of Vivi. Won last game with her by killing the remaining two friends with her buffed by Super State and getting an extra turn off a Miracle-casted Temporal Mastery, then on the following turn just re-casting View from Above to get her to a 17/17 Double Strike, Flying Trampler to get through one friend’s board with only two Flyers and Super State taking out the other.
>>96423136do people actually build lyse? was she the azorius punchface sleeper?
>>96421065Isn't the first ability just sunburst?
>>96423425the terror of my playgroup
>>96423462how would you say that she stacks up vs (really) any narset variant? i was thinking of doing a B3/4 spellslingery monk thing and im kinda at crossroad on who would be at the helm
>>96421169>make bracket 1 monocolor deck with bunch of penny commons >include Blood Moon>it is now a bracket 4 deck>make bracket 1 deck with penny commons>include crop rotation>it is now bracket 3>make bracket 1 deck with penny commons>include 10 mana infinite combo via exquisite blood and sanguine bond >it is now bracket 3>make bracket 1 deck with the most powerful non-gamechanger cards costing tens and sometimes hundreds of dollars BUT with no combos or extra turns>include 3-5 exceptionally good tutors that aren't included on the gamechanger list which streamline the hell out of my deck>deck can consistently win turn 3 if I have a good hand, turn 5-6 otherwise >it's still bracket 1It - just - WORKS!
>>96423489>make bracket 1 deck with the most powerful non-gamechanger cards costing tens and sometimes hundreds of dollars BUT with no combosthat's not bracket 1 unlike the penny common piles you listed, because part of evaluation is intent. Few $k value pile is pretty much impossible to make into bracket 1 and not have something accidentally powerful. if your crop rotation deck is john avon green tribal then that's still bracket 1 because you just want to have ways to get out more john avon art on the field to showcase and most of these would just be forestsEbSb without tutors is dog ass combo which you're not really getting in a penny pile, altho i'd say it would reach closer to b2 unless its some really weird theme sub subtype that doesn't really have any synergypenny red is penny red and single card doesn't really do shit here so it's b1 still if your intent was to be a showcase deckgiven your intent for the post was to stirr up shit i give 6/10 for bait because i gave lengthy response
>>96423518>part of evaluation is intenthaahhahahahaha
>>96420402Fucking outplayed
>>96423533read nigga
>>96421734Indeed, the clarification is so great that not only does it fail to address the problems of the original system, it even contradicts itself
>>96423599no
>>96422819Brawl was fun but no one likes keeping up with standard
Is picrel still viable these days - or is he simply outshined by Muldrotha and Teval, Arbiter of Virtue? I remember him being a top GY commander back then, simply by virtue of having not a lot of options , and I have a lot of nostalgia for him.I don't see myself using him and his activated ability all that much
>>96423631Tasigur is still playable in cEDH he is easily better than Teval and likely stronger than Muldrotha as well though someone could probably make an argument for that one without sounding like an idiot.
>>96423599>Youtuber talking point speshul snowflake decks that don't exist irl>just a basic deck>just a basic deck but you actually put a few good cards in it instead of bulk>normal commander until brackets>cedh as it has always beenThis is a pointless system
>giving the slightest fuck about brackets>hoping WotC will "Step Up" and make this format better>Brackets, bought to you by the people who designed Nadu
>>96423658it's better than the 1-10 system we had before at least. but far from perfect
>>96423687this excuse from drones is totally insufferable.because it literally is the exact same shit, breaken down into 5 steps instead of 10.just replace the number in "my deck is a 7" with a 3
>>96419648>or are there a shit ton of retards playing this game?
>>96423631Anon, he costs 1 mana.
>>96423700Except that now there is an obvious and verifiable criteria instead of vibes. If someone says their deck is a 2 and they start chaining extra turns they just lied and there's no way around that.
>>96423726oh wow, people lie?so same shit as beforeBravo WotC
>>96423723that still makes it 5 til the first activation
>>96423631He's there for an early game Birthing Pod to a 7 cmc fuck you piece (or Eldritch Evolution if you want Razaketh) thanks to delve.Far stronger than Muldrotha or Teval if built in a cEDH mindset.
>>96423825>if built in a cEDH mindset.as we all should
>>96423518People hated him because he told the truth
>>96423631Anon, I won a bracket 4 game with vorosh the hunter yesterdayIts edh, basically everything is viable
>>96423470nta but she doesnt. narset is in another league.
What's that one card you want to add (from a recent set or old, don't care) to your current deck but can't find a spot?
>>96424054this is incorrect
>>96424072
>>96424082that’s 2 cards, retard
>>96424072I like this guy, but I wish he had a bit more going for him. For example lifelink or whatever.
>>96424141Quite clearly one card.
>>96424072Black fact or fiction sounds fun but I really don't have a deck to test it in
>>96424072I fucking love gambling
How can I abuse this more in the Sultai precon Dragon deck.Any other cards that do similar?I kind of like cards that buff the 4/4 Dragon into a Voltron kind of threat.I want to try use pic related and also a card called Sigil of Valor.Any existing card better than pic related card?
>>96424252If you want a Voltron dragon main set ureni is literally just needs double strike and haste to kill a guy the turn she comes down, comes with solid protection for a 10/10 and you can use super state or extra combats to just win the game
>>96424307great post anon and i agree but the issue with that is people will see it coming / see your doing that and will hold onto immediate removal.i have a great graveyard deck with my modified sultan precon. but i was considering adding a few cards that buff the dragons damage you deal to players subtlety and slowly so they lose track of the commander damage and get beaten.Its probably a worthless stradegy but i kind of liked it.Most players won't remove Teval and will let you freely poke them 2-3+ times. I thought slightly buffing his damage over time, even if he gets removed, would make me more of a threat.
>>96423730Nigga if someone said their deck was a 7 that meant literally nothing. It was purely vibes-based. If someone says their deck is bracket 2 there are actual, verifiable criteria that prove or disprove this.
>>96424361Okay but what if I lie? What then you didnt account for that
>>96424389then you're just a lying nigger and no amount of regulation will change it outside of capping your ass behind the store
>>96424389If you lie about your deck you're just lying? If you bring a vintage deck into a Modern tournament that doesn't suddenly make it legal nigga
>>96424389Why would you lie, Dinat Rahdeem?
>>96424437>>96424466>>96424494Casual format, not against the rules to lie about your intent. Whats your recourse gunna call the non existent judge for casual commander? Maybe cry?
>>96423825I didn't even consider that, and I have a whole bunch of homeless birthing pod effects lying around. Could be a nice addition to my Reanimator battle cruiser fetish. Thing is, I think Teval is so much more fun to build and play >>96424040el bastardo basado
>>96424517Nah I'd just scoop and talk shit about you for being a fedoralord to the cute tranner playing mardu
>>96424517>Whats your recourse gunnajust ignore your presence? whatchu gonna do? call a judge?
>>96424307Protection from White and Back specifically is so good, that it is a design mistake
>>96424072Currently these. Angel feels like it'd be good in both Konrad and Golbez, Scrapbot is fantastic for Golbez I just need to find a slot, and I'm super interested in this little ship.
>>96424517Sure, if you keep that shit up eventually you'll piss enough people off that the store owner is going to bar you. That or it will become common knowledge and nobody will pod with you.People aren't stupid and if the LGS is losing people wanting to play because of one fag they're just going to axe the one fag.If you just want to be a subversive asshole, expect to get treated like an asshole.
>>96424517First time say "hey dude, that's cheating", and you have to either take the card out of your deck and replace it with a basic land (we'll even let you shuffle the land into your deck and draw a card). If not you simply get kicked out.
my deck has the potential to win on turn 6, sometimes earlier with a godhand, sometimes later with a shit hand>NOOOOO WHAT IS IT WHAT IS IT BRACKET 2 OR 7 WTF AIEEEEEEE I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE I NEED TO KNOW stop being silly you retarded strawman>sorry anon, I don't know what came over me. I truly am a retard sometimes. lets just continue playing the gameapology accepted, old friend.
>>96424586>right, okay, so can I look at it?>boots up game changer guide>okay, alright, that's a 3. there
>>96424595>starts to sift through the entire deck while everyone just wants to start playingsorry strawman, but we are going to start now, so I need my deck back. I have no idea what those gamechangers that you just mentioned are, but I hope they won't change your enjoyment of the game.
>a bunch of nogames misrepresenting how bracket discussion goesNigga you just say shit like "mine is a decent 4" or "This is definitely a 2 or so" and everyone just plays with the understanding that maybe you should focus the guy who says his deck is stronger or pay more attention to his plays.
>>96423136She's actually a decent card, fill that shit with cantrips and you're golden
>>96424628It takes like one minute to skim through someone's deck nigga. I just want to check if you have shit like Thoracle combo in it.
>>96424679In that case, I should warn you, I run a 8/8 trample mammoth and a few power doublers in this gruul deck, which can really add up if you don't watch out.
>>96424586Gay zoomie hands typed this post
>>96424732Oh that's nice. thanks anon, let's play. I'm running Balmor aggro, want to take a look
>>96423687It's not better.
>>96424243This card fuck with the omenkeel
Any ancient egyptian enjoyers try this precon? I am goldfishing it on forge, I like.
>>96424586Turn 6 isn't even an early win kek
>>96424946yeah it is, my commander costs 8 and I haven't even gotten it out yet!
All i really want to do for my next commander deck is run this card. I'm a huge FF fag and I'm running Kefka and Mardu Terra already but Urza doesn't really synergize with Kefka too much. But like, I'm just getting back into this game after years and won't have the tech to make it *that* Urza deck. So, how good or bad of an idea is it to run Emry (mill and res artifacts) as my commander instead? Will it paint less of a target on myself? Should I just go all in for Urza?
>>96423470giving it a thunk i think i will just do triple narset tribal with cantrips and rotate them in and out on feel
>>96425032You don't have to build THAT urza deck. Yes the card is very strong but it's also very adaptable. Personally, I would recommend building an ultrabudget beat down list built around cards like team pennant and prying blade as well as flickers and bounces to build a small army of karnstructs and beat people to death with them. It's an interesting way of playing mono blue and it's a ton of fun in edh. I had an urza beatdown deck and it was one I got asked to play often because it's also fun to play against. Or you can just toss it in an artifact list as a value piece if you just care about winning, I guess.
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/29-08-25-alania/?cb=1756479582I made a deck for Aliana since she's a better commander than Melek for a instant/sorcery centered deck.It's not done yet and I want to keep it cheap. I am going to use it against my friends who are new (they got the FF and LotR premades) so certain cards like Bria and Ral seem a bit too strong. Any suggestions so far? I have a hunch that I'm running too many lands and treasure token producers without any X spells or mana sinks to make them worth it. I think right now the otter creatures and passive pinging from Guttersniper-esque triggrers are the most viable win-condition.
>>96425115Might be private, link 404'd>tappedoutI too still use the best deck builder
Lets say your deck meets all the criteria to be a 3, would you really object to playing against a 4?
>>96425253depends on a person piloting the 4
>>96425253Depends on the pod and the table. Because of WotC's piss-poor delineation, the gulf between 3 and 4 can be oceanic. If it means you're hard-tutoring for a combo and trying to win on turn 3, fuck off. If it means you are running a fourth game changer or Blood Moon or something, yeah sure whatever.
>>96425253If you're play a commander that isn't meta, yes. Even if you have some degen bullshit, I kinda want to see how it works.If you're playing a "fair 4 winota, ur-dragom, kinnan, etc" go fuck yourself.
>>96425253it depends, give more information about this hypothetical
>>96425348Lets say this>>96425348 is the situation
>>96425358Dammit, this>>96425309
>>96425309does 4 have a meta, technically? I thought that the way 4 works, that if there's any meta-anything it means it's no longer a 4
>>96425309Ur-Dragon is a 2 to 3 retard-kun
>>96425381it can be a 4 if you build it to be
>>96425381>>964253762 more examples why the brackets are dumb
>>96425393And get slaughtered by any good 4 yeah
>>96425400There is an obvious difference and easily-observable difference between an Ur-Dragon deck that's 2 and one that's 4
>>96425407yeah? proof that bracket isn't power level? and a 3 can be as strong as a 4? that's my point?
>>96425253No? You would have to be really brain broken by brackets to let that stop you.
>>96425381It used to be a premier cedh deck
>>96425448AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA
>>96425253this happened to me last week. for those wanting a more specific situation, opponent A has been playing strong 3s, opponent B is relatively new at least to commander and has 2s at best, and opponent C has been playing decks all over bracket 3 and just won with Ur-Dragon "that hasn't been updated since original tarkir (added silumgar)"opponent A pulls out K'rrik and says 'want to play a bracket 4' to opponent C who pulls out Narset. they explain that their decks are no longer good enough for bracket 5, the meta has gotten a lot faster, etc.assuming you don't have/didn't bring any dedicated bracket 4s, do you play, and what?
>>96425423You telling me you can look at 2 stacks of cards, ones a 3 the others a 4, and tell the difference before the game even starts? No, that was my original point here>>96425253
>>96425452Boring slop. I'd play but judge them for ever having enjoyed such commanders. From a gameplay standpoint they are statistically more likely to win, and any victory from them will seem unearned/like a pubstomp. HOWEVER, if they beat them they will look bad and it will be satisfying as my bad deck will have earned the win.
>>96425442Im with you , that has been the point ive been trying to make. Play a game, ask them to switch after if its total bullshit. Easy as
>>96425253no but i have decks of nearly every powerlevel so i would probably swap unless i really wanted to play the other deck
>>96425451Woops i got it confused with the other 5c ur dragonScion of the Ur-Dragon used to be a good cedh deckIve certainly lost to it enough
>>96425458To expand on this: there is a spiritual malediction that inhabits the average EDH player. OR it might be more accurate to say they lack spirit at all; some of this can be attributed to newer players, but in the one format among ANY card game where deck building permits almost every strategy imaginable, it's glassy-eyed Hylic behavior to enjoy something linear and high-powered.When I sit down for an EDH pod, I assume I am sitting down with empty vessels.
>>96425381Scion was absolutely a cedh deck and probably would still shitstomp bracket 4
>>96425504He was referencing Ur-Dragon, not Scion of.
>>96425506How can you be certain? They are both calked ur dragon
>>96425452> how fast is the deck (free mana, ramp, cmc)> how consistent is it (tutors, efficient draw)> how much free interaction do you have> what/any combos do tou have >"why are you asking all these questions, just shuffle up"because I don't know you, if you're a shit head looking to fget free wins against weaker decks or a good sport looking for a fair game
>>96425491Il see you on /x/
>>96425516If you asked this much info about my deck before shuffling up im finding a new pod
>>96425524Bro its basic conversation, i know a lot of you have issues with that but damn. NTA
>>96425516sounds like you're not a good sport
>>96425524okay, shit head
>>96425516This is the most onions way to start a pod ever.
>>96425535Im not giving you my decklist, part of the fun is the unexpected You dont need to know my group hug deck is running pact of negationGrow a fucking pair
>>96425569" hey you run any combos in there?" its that simple, thread it in as part of the conversation. Use your words.
>>96425563Yep...>No! I need to feel safe and secure about what deck I brought to a casual game night!I bet this is actually kinda common
>>96425569"just the one free spell, but it's not full of moxes or anything like that."damn, that was hard and i didn't have to give a deck list or anything
>>96425600Nice goal post moving dipshit
>>96425614You dont need that information and if you feel like you do, id rather not deal with you.
>>96425625sounds like a win win
>>96425606Most I'll ask is "how strong are these decks?" And if anyone's cagey about it I know to target them.
New thread doko?
>>96425615Your just telling me you dont know how to talk to people. You really think i would go through those questions like a checklist? Dont be dumb, use your words. Explain to me how I shifted the goal post. Use your words
>>96425631I'd do the same. Rule 0 is important, but let's not turn it into penis inspection day. There's nothing worse than giving people with bureaucrat tendencies what they want or worse a sense of duty.
My favorite was when I saw my friend in a pod with a guy who had a NOTECARD. And he kept asking the most Reddit questions.>before we begin, how do we feel about touching each other's cards?
>>96425535Nah.>>96425516>acceptable>acceptable>none of your beeswax>none of your beeswax>thats right lets play
>>96425653Did you even look at the list in the post I was replying to? Come on man. There's no way in fuck you have even given every person at the table this rundown before playing. This is unironic no-games tier shit.
>>96425653>if you dont follow my retarded autistic flowchart ermm ummm ahhh you just dont know how to socialize!Ironic. I would use my words to tell you you can find out during the game
>looking at precons>"minimal packaging">they opened the box to get the collector boosters sample and left the deck in its wrapperAre people THAT desperate to satiate their gambling needs?
>autism checklist >autistic screeching >both will leave, thinking they won and complain about no gamesneither of you know how to communicate, as expected of /edhg/
>>96425690What? I said i dont follow the flow chart. Read nigga read!>>96425687 do you not have pre game table talk anon? Conversation is important no matter the setting. Im going to drop it though, my original question>>96425253Became a shit show so claim victory if you want
>Labelled confirmed 12th of this month>Still haven’t shipped because some of the sellers “had an unfortunate inventory mistake”>Doesn’t tell me which cards so I can make of list of what I need to reorderChrist on a bike
>>96424586Turns-to-win is a way better metric over brackets and power level
what ways to protect her once she hits the field i can use?
>>96425982What I find hilarious is that my bootlegs from Usea came faster than some moron on tcgplayer.
>>96426012what if my deck needs like 40 turns to win though
>>96426019Creatures for attackers, counterspells for other shit
>lost 3 games to t1 sol ringthat's it. I'm putting mental misstep in my decks
>>96426043Sol ring should be banned with the other fast mana, but WOTC will never ban a commander card.
>>96426039i got my counterspells, what are good creatures for her?
>>96426065
>>96425253No. My 3 decks can sometimes beat out three of my 4 decks, as it should be in a game with random hands.
>>96426073Heh. I thought I was the only one to play this. Love it in my pillowfort planeswalker deck.
>>96425786The level of detail was what I had issue with, not having any conversation at allI thought this would be clear but I guess I have to spell it out
>>96426073>>96426105thats a great thing!any other similar to protect?
>>96426058They can't really ban a card that's in every deck ever. Same reason why Brainstorm isn't banned in legacy despite it being widely acknowledged it's incredibly fucking stupid; it's just ossified into the format now.
Are superfriend decks still pretty frowned upon? I really want to make a deck with this bad boy as a centerpiece
>>96426174Frozen Aether is an underlooked cheap stax piece that will halp.
>>96426198yes, because your turns take forever with mostly very little impact.
>>96426019Boardwipes. If you really want to continue to protect her, use her demons. Toss in a wonder to let them be able to block fliers. But in general you should make peace with the fact that she's a pretty shit commander costing 5 mana and only drawing you a card when she comes down.
>>96426198I use it in my Dihada legendary matters equipment deck to decent results
>>96426198as long as you can play in a timely manner i wouldnt mind but superfriends decks almost never do
>>96426261I'd be pretty fast since I just want to try and get this fucker to reach a win state as my goal with the sword
>>96426073>>96426105>>96426174Shiiiiit I thought I was the only one that ran these bad boys
>>96423599Prove my deck full of overpriced staples isn't bracket 1. I'm not focused on winning, I'm focused on making as many tokens as possible which coincidentally let's me dominate the table because I can have 30 by turn 4-6. Nothing about the bracket systems says I can't include a 40 dollar copy of Doubling Season and Elspeth Storm Slayer. They fit my theme, show me the rule that says otherwise. The only actual hard clearly defined rule for bracket 1 (which you conveniently left out in your pic, totally unintentional I'm sure lmao) is that I can only have a "few" tutors, and what a "few" is is never defined either so some people might think that means only 2-3, others might interpret that as less than 10."Muh intent" means fucking nothing. You can't prove I intended to win when I built a turbo fast green queen Tifa Lockhart deck that adheres to the hard rules of Bracket 1 deck building, I can't prove I wasn't building a deck to win when I show up with a rabbit themed Hare Apparent deck where I tried to use as many Rabbit art cards as possible and I still have 20 tokens on the board by turn 4. All we could do is fruitlessly argue about unprovable intent until someone decides to leave the table because wowie zowie turns out making a vibes based ranking system is actually really fucking stupid!
>>96426621whats the difference between 4 and 5 supposed to be?
>>96426621So bracket 3 can contain endless tutors?
>>96426621I mean it's not really possible to create a bracket system that's completely defined without it having literally thousands of rules.The current system works fine enough to communicate the ideas of what the brackets are and if you decide to be tryhard and push the limits in a casual game mode then people just won't play with you.
>>964266454 is no-holds barred, 5 is actual competitive.like with any other format, standard for example, you and your friends can make decks of varying power and play each other, but if you go to FNM you're going to see people with actual decklists that compare to actual tournament winners. your friend might make RDW (RakDos Wins) and hit you with a hasty 3/x on turn 1 or 2 and be capable of winning fairly quickly, but at an actual FNM you (previously would) see mouse or cutter RDW.
>>96426668>RDW (RakDos Wins)
>>96426621I said so as the grand arbiter of bracket assessment. Your punishment is death.
>>96426412EDH is about having fun, and I threw together a Bant wall deck years ago with all my walls I wasn't using and then just threw in good planeswalkers as the wincon. Blink effects and some white recursion worked well too since many walls or wall like creatures have great ETB. Mystic Snake is a good example. Why have single use blue counterspells when you can just keep bouncing around Mystic Snake? Very fun and chill deck that doesn't draw any hate until you start getting a bunch of PWs out there.
>>96426684yes he thought it was very funny too
>>96426764>Mystic SnakeMy first ever rare along with Yavimaya Embrace. It came in the Apocalypse simic precon. I fucking love that bastard.
>>96426665>if you decide to be tryhard and push the limits in a casual game mode then people just won't play with you.This has always been the case. Brackets, and vague power levels are entirely unneeded, when tables should be capable of self-regulating even outside of Prof's "just focus them down" suggestion>If someone is consistently being an obnoxious pubstomping fag, then you don't need play with them. Fucking talk to them about it and get them to change deck, or shun them>If it's a rando, then their word means nothing anyways so you're not going to get anything out of a vague bracket statementit's unnecessary oversight, when this an explicitly social game mode, with a community that should be able take care of itself; the only thing brackets accomplish, is an appeal to authority where someone can cite WotC (in their infinite infallibility) for why you can't play That Deck, at This Table. Ultimately, Brackets exist as a safety net for annoying people incapable of social interaction>uh, you can't play yuriko at this table, she's bracket 4!!!!!! wotc said sowrong>yuriko? nah, fuck off, cuntright
>>964266454 are cEDH decks built by people who don't understand the game and/or who want to pubstomp and pretend they're not playing cEDH. 5 are cEDH decks built by people who know how to play the game and want to play competitively with other competitive decks.>>96426665If you put 20 players in a room, gave them the definition of what Bracket 1 is supposed to be, and asked them to agree or whether decks XYZ are bracket 1 you'd get 20 different answers with 20 different reasons. When a rule is based on vague interpretations and vibes there is no rule. I can put Ocelot Pride and pic related Doubling Season into my bracket 1 deck because it's based around a cute animal theme. I can't put Ocelot Pride and DS into my bracket 1 deck because they're extremely strong Commander cards and are worth more than $30 a piece. Both statements are equally valid and refuteable.
>>96426895>5 are cEDH decks built by people who know how to play the game>know how to play the game
I'm convinced that MtG as a whole is just turning into D&D where it's functionally unplayable outside a closed group because the as-written rules are completely useless for an enjoyable experience.The only difference is that in D&D you have far fewer autists saying you need to buy all the non-functional books instead of pirating them, which is why it's not profitable.
>>96427006In actual friend groups I can't imagine anybody cares about proxies.
I am planning something probably stupid and was pointed to this thread for advice:I have never played MtG and would like to get into it. I was told commander was a good beginners format.I am mainly interested after watching some tutorials and after learning Innistrad inspired Bloodborne. The Innistrad Commander precons are somewhat pricy though and I thought that I might have this proxy (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16KApTcRd9gJ7OpWisBwgofYsE_xeEELi?pli=1) printed which would cost me about 150 euro (getting the actual cards would apparently cost over 500 USD). I have two friends that would accept this as a legal deck.Is this worth it or am I being a retard?Is the deck any good mechanically speaking?How hard would it be to learn this?
>>96427018Commander isn't a good begginers format, but WOTC gave up on supporting all other formats.You can get 'undead unleashed' for like $90, which is a blue/black precon. Definitely overpriced but not abysmal.For custom proxies use MPC in the OP, it's like 40 cents a card.
>>96427076>commander isn't a good begginers formatIt is. Just because draft's power level is low doesn't make it easy for a begginer.
>>96427108It's not as much about power level as card pool. EDH is basically just casual legacy, with over 30 years worth of mechanics and keywords. Precons usually do an okay job, but unless you are in a precon only pod you will have a ton of potential mechanics to learn all at once.
>>96425090This post convinced me I should follow my heart. I was kinda looking to make it a karnstruct spam deck, i want to make custom magitek armor tokens to use as them. Thanks anon
>>96427155Could be, but I think his deck isn't that hard to operate for a newbie. He'll probably have more problems with priority and stack interactions, rather than with the cards and mechanics themselves.
>>96427221nta, but>re: karnstruct spamWhite gives you access to a lot of token doublers.
>>96427108yeah draft is actually awful for teaching playersstandard is king in my opinion but then again standard hasnt been standard in a long time. I learned to play about a decade and a half ago with draft and EDH and I wish someone would have told me to play standard. I could have learned a lot more much quicker.
>>96427275I think "block" 60-card constructed is good for teaching new players, just cram your draft chaff together.or if they still made vs decks.
>>96427254Well thats why I think the precons are good, the real issue is what other people are playing.
>>96425659>There's nothing worse than giving people with bureaucrat tendencies what they want or worse a sense of dutyboy howdy
>>96427275Standard even used to have precons, but they got rid of those forever ago. But even if they didn't, standard is just dead in paper. I have about 4 LGSs near me, none of them host standard events.
>>96427108>draft probably second worst, after commander. standard is best for new players but worst for wotc, and commander is best for wotc
>>96427287>vs decksLmao, 2017 one had a wincon where you storm off with mind's desire. Mark was probably drunk when he made those decks.
>>96426621The funny part is the bracket system did its job here, you would be kicked out of a bracket 1 game before or even started. We sit the autists who bitch and moan about quantifiable rules at the bracket 3 and 4 tables, since a 5 minute conversation with you would prove you're too retarded to understand what b1 is for and would ruin the experience for all involved
>What's the bracket system? ay I'm just a new guy put together a little deck>Attacks for 500 on turn 5
When does prizing turn the meta competitive? Is a $6 buy in with a pack on entry and a pack per win considered competitive? Does it need to be for a dual in a 32 player tournament to be competitive? Is free play the only non competitive scene by definition?
Brackets bad.Playing bloodmoon against precons good
>>96427444If there's ANY buy-in or ANY prize on the line (even a single 10 year old booster pack) you should 100% expect people to go full-sweaty mode
>>96427446based based based (desu precons have a ton of basics, so it's not like they'd be as stymied by it)
>>96427453My lgs is the first I mentioned. $6 buy in and you get a pack with entry, plus a pack per pod win. It's usually not very competitive at all with everyone still having the rule zero talk to match power levels.
>>96427474>(desu precons have a ton of basics, so it's not like they'd be as stymied by it)>Go look at the EoE precons>9 basics
>>96427484Count yourself lucky. People at my LGS go full fucking retard when there's anything on the line
>>96427018Commander is a fine way to start. It's about the most popular format anyway so it helps to know it. If you already have friends to play with them you should be fine. The deck seems a bit janky but as long as your friends play something similar in power I don't think there should be any issue
>>96427493That's a lot. Don't play Blood Moon against me btw, bracket 4 go away
>>96427155Learning the card pool as you play is part of the fun though isn't it? I don't think that's really an issue as long as your playing with people who know you're new.
>>96427444>per winThis right here. If there is any prizing on win, even if it's shit, people will be thinking competitively.
>>96427541It is, it's just a lot of them to all take in at once. For us it's easy, we have to learn like, 6 new keywords a year.They need to make some arena style game to get people into commander proper. MTGO exists but nobody bothers with that.
>>96427549>it's just a lot of them to all take in at onceYeah you know, on second thought I sort of see what you mean as well. Worst case scenario you're a new player having to not only learn your own deck but also three others as you play. It helps immensely if you have friends to play with who have one or so decks that are around the same power so you can get used to things and their plays first. If you enjoy looking up cards and replays on your free time then it'll be a fun experience but if you don't then it could be a lot to absorb at once.
I've been trying to do the 32 deck challenge with a twist: 32 deck spellslinger. I think I'm gonna make this as my simic deck's commander, anyone ever seen him run? If so, any cool tech for him?
>>96427588>>96427549>>96427541As someone coming back after a long while, theres SO many cards i run into every game that I don't know. My threat assessment is wildly off sometimes because people will bury the lede about what cards are secretly gonna get them a lot of value. After like 2 months of weekly local games im starting to feel pretty comfortable but still pretty much every game I'm seeing a new commander/mechanic
>faggot didn't ship my demonic tutor yet despite ordering it on the 27thFuckkkkk i wanted it for my first commander game next tuesday.
>>96427018I have neglected to post the actual deck. This should make judging it easier:https://moxfield.com/decks/xFUo0OhHhEi29HrqV2OhPQ
What the fuck how is this card only 5 bucks?
>>96427607yeah this card is bullshit
>>96427734gimme
>>96427734Fuckin where? The cheapest I see are $15 on TCGplayer, and thats damaged.
>>96427759Cardmarket but that's europe only
>>96427746its 8 mana do nothing what on earth are you talking about
>>96427607If I'm not mistaken, Jadzi is a her. That aside, I think you have to make sure you have plenty of card draw (Archmage Emeritus will do a good chunk of the job since you're working with Magecraft) to support things. I can only assume that you want to be bouncing her or her spell back to hand fairly frequently. Doing so with the spell will help clear the pesky lands cluttering your hand, and with her, for protection (and possibly also casting the spell occasionally). But for both keeping stocked with spells to cast and to have something to discard. Ways of getting some of the stuff from your graveyard back on top to be cast from her Magecraft trigger is good, too. Seeing as you have plenty of ways of getting lands down, too, some landfall won't go amiss, either.At a glance at edhrec, it seems people are trying to do storm stuff with her. Wild.
>>96427734lots of recent reprints idk tho. maybe it's just too slow? it has won me many a game
>>96427690You'll probably want more mana rocks considering how expensive mana wise your commander is.
>playing duel commander rules with budget bracket 2 decks>aggro deck just keeps winning because friend runs no interactionhow do I teach this kid
>>96427734it's a xenagos staple and usually a guaranteed win when it resolves
>>96427350The fact you think there are bracket 1 games between randoms proves you're a larpfag lmao you wouldn't shit if someone said their pubstomp deck wasn't bracket 4 and they sat at the 2/3 kiddie table
WOTC hire me
>>96427811Are you genuinely retarded? How could you possibly extrapolate that from what I said?
Can cards like deflecting swat also just choose no target?Also, can i stop a counter with deflecting swat?
>>96427824this is already a card
>>96416202Go to nearest LGS. Find a few people who aren't totally retarded>hey you know we could just hang out at my place hahahaNow you have a new groupIt works every time.
>>96427880I don't want those ill-breds anywhere near my house
>>96427734Europe regularly doesn't remember cards exist and the market is small so the supply can outstrip demand and crater prices.Europe is going to be the new japan where burgers will fly over to load up on cheap-ass cardboard
>>96427880this is how I met a pauper commander group made up of MIT students
>>96427734Why do they do this
>>96427857Not one that hits everybody. Blood seeker only hits your opponents and is 2 mana.
>>96427901with how the dollar devalues against the euro currently I dont see burgers going on shopping tours in europe any time soon.
