PAY UP, PIGGIES
>>96432109I ain't even mad. I have so many good memories(admittedly mostly of their side games like WHFB, Necromunda, and Mordheim). And it's not like anyone's stepped up to offer some serious competition. All the rival games like Warmachine eventually shoot themselves in the dick.
>>96432109Like fucking clockwork. Not only will they increase prices, but paypigs will insist that it's fine that they did, yet again.
>>96432109This is abuse>>96432234You are mentally ill and you need help.
>>96432290Already happened. Man, I don't get brand loyalty.
>>96432234Yea, I feel kind of the same. Most of my stuff I have collected goes years back, what else do I have that has lasted that long, and given me the same amount of satisfaction? Id say nothing to be honest. Besides, I started this with just about pocket money in my early teens, Im now a working adult, with way more money to spend. Its not like I can't get what I want at this point, it wasn't always like this, I used to get a set of 10 plastic soldiers to fix, prime and paint each month if I was lucky. Sometimes I had to save for months to get what I wanted.
>>96432939>I'm just helping a good little plucky gamong compay here, what'shisname's painting videos habe really improved my skills with the brush! Blood for the Blood God! Damn, I love the Hobby(tm)!
>>96432109Ive seen scouts go from a cool plastic kit you can endlessly kitbash and get tabletop ready in a day for £15 to new scouts being £45 fused puzzle shit... In 3 years time
>>96432234>>96434618>Yes GW increased their prices again, but that's ok because I was once poor. I'm not now granted, but I have all the models I could ever want and the income in case I want more. What about....other people.....you said you were a poor kid once. Wouldn't you want models to be at least a little cheaper to the """"""""""target demographic""""""""""""?>What like little timmy? Pfft fuck em. I already told you I was poor once so now that I am rich I DESERVE to splurge my money on children's toys to gatekeep and possibly scalp them. In fact, why stop there? We should inflate prices to the point where only the 1% can play warhammer I was poor once so I am justified in making everyone else feel the same suffering I did. Hobbies are for the rich, the poor should be grinding eternally
>>96432234>All the rival games like Warmachine eventually shoot themselves in the dick.At this point it is not if but when with rival games. What causes this really?
>>96432109Yet this will only improve GW's bottom line because little piggies must keep oinking.
>>96435323>What about....other people.....not mine problem
>>96435323>Hobbies are for the rich, the poor should be grinding eternallyThis but unironically.
>>96432109>4% price increaseAAAAAA IT'S UNAFFORDABLE NOW
>>96432109The THIRD time on the last 18 months LMAO SOOOOOIE, PIGGIES!!!! COME GET YOUR SLOP, TROUGHS FULL!!
what is inflation?
>>96435339Arrogance. GW's so bad that they believe people will automatically come running to them just on the basis of being an "alternative", while still being able to reap the slave mentality of its regular customers - completely ignoring that as newcomers, the onus is on the competitor to make it appealing to leave the sunk-cost fallacy behind AND STAY THERE.
>>96435476>>96435580Kek, here come the GW dick riders and simps LMAO
>>96432234This is some intense copeTrench Crusade has been dominating GWen all this year
>>96435580>government calculates the cost of essential products have increased by 4% because of actual material factors>gw decides to increase the rrp after the fact>LMAO ITS CALLED INFLATION IDIOT>>964354764% after several other 4% increasesalso paypiggies not even questioning how this is a 4% AVERAGE increase, where they're also outright saying whole ranges of certain products aren't getting an increase at all (despite LMAO INFLATION). So the price increases are probably going to be dramatically higher than 4% factoring in all the stuff they're not increasingalso paypiggies incapable of seeing that gw use these price increases (that they decide) as a means of increasing sales (get them cheap while you still can piggies! think of the SAVINGS! and the VALUE!)
>>96432109That's pretty low compared to other industries.
>>96435688>Trench Crusade shill accusing others of copingI haven't even heard of someone playing Trench crusade across the three LGSs in my city. Trench Crusade is infinitely less popular to play than Black fucking Powder and you think it stands a chance against Warhammer?
>actually seething over edgy Mordheim for art students GWfags are truly something else.
>>96435580so why isn't my wage increasing according to it?
>>96436108because your bosses prefer to keep that money for themselves and workers unions are too weak or non-existent to stop them
>>96435443yet not your problem yet
>>96432109I'm just beginning to get very selectively priced out, at least psychologically. Its not a matter of having the money, its a matter of feeling like you're getting too bad a deal to actually enjoy the purchase. Some things I still buy from GW. I'm going to get a contemptor at some point, a forgefiend, some jetbikes, a short list of things like that I intend to get. Cause they feel somewhat substantial. Its expensive, but I kind of feel like I got something.However I have an old Eldar combat patrol lying around. I think if I ever get round to that I'm going to want a tonne of howling banshees cause I really like them. No way in hell will I be buying 20 howling banshees at GW prices. That's going to be recasts without a doubt.
>>96432109Where are the horde of 3d printer Pajeets that usually show up after these kinds of news?
>>96437531They're too busy 3d printing GW models
>>96437521Or, get this: you could stop feeding the shitty GW ecosystem and play a good game instead.
>>96432109Jesus
>>96437733What games do you people actually mean when you say this. I like buying into games and adding them to the pile of shame. I have some market awareness here. There isn't some other sci fi wargame that's a comprehensively better replacement 40K and/or Horus Heresy, certainly not when considering all the different factors that determine what game/universe/model range is most appealing to people. If you have one you like the rules for more lore and aesthetics and model quality all matter to people. Usually they matter a lot more. For newer players they basically always matter more because they don't have the experience to judge rulesets. That's not even getting into the relative difficulty of finding games for different systems.
>>96437834>What games do you people actually mean when you say this.Virtually any game not made by GW is a step above their abysmal dogshit.>lore and aesthetics and model quality all matter to people. Usually they matter a lot more.They don't if you actually play games.>That's not even getting into the relative difficulty of finding games for different systems.You don't have a steady game group to try different games with? Sounds like a personal failure.
>>96437859Its very conspicuous that you're literally afraid to name a game that makes sense to present as a no brainer replacement for either 40K or Horus Heresy.
>>96437879I said any game. Any. Game. At all. Plat Infinity, play battletech, play Galactic Heroes, or OPR or the Chain of Command Warhammer fan conversion if you're so terrified of touching models that aren't from big daddy GW. How are you people so brainwashed you don't realize what actual steaming shit GW's rules are? Have you never played any other game?
>>96436016Games Workshops womb didn't explode. What's their excuse.
>>96435421>>96432109Pieces of shit still rising prices despite being more profitable than ever.Doesnt help that their main market is usa and that fucking jew puppet king of the chuds made ot much more expensive for them to sell there.
>>96437898> InfinitySo actually more expensive per model, way more generic and uninteresting in style. Mediocre lore. Lower model count so just not even the same type of product at all. I told you this would happen. >play battletechYou play battletech with 2-5 minis. That's not a replacement for 40K or HH. Its so accessible its not even remotely an either/or alternative. You can buy the battletech starter box, paint a couple of minis, and now its just your sidegame to the GW ones. I have battletech minis, I like battletech, but also they're absolute dogshit quality compared to GW minis . And the lore is definitely good for a mini wargame, but without getting into the subjectivity of whether its as good as 40K lore its certainly not similar enough to be some universally valid replacement for it. >OPRA model agnostic game you can play with GW minis. I thought we were getting out of the eco-system. >Galactic Heroes Another agnostic game. Doesn't stop you buying into the "GW ecosystem". If you're gonna say no, buy non GW minis and play these mini agnostic games its like, okay, what minis should I obviously want so much more than the GW ones. You go from a coherent, extremely popular system you can get off real shelves in real stores to "yeah you download this pdf from this website and then go to this website to buy 3D prints of these files, all so you don't buy into an eco-system I vaguely don't like. No I will not be telling you why you should give a shit. Yes those official models will work with my pet unofficial game system but don't you fucking dare I will literally kill myself if you do that."> if you're so terrified of touching models that aren't from big daddy GWActually your initial spaz out was in response to someone saying they were getting GW models. That was when the hot wire touched your autism. For all you knew they could have been for another game system, but you specifically freaked out about "buying into the 40K ecosystem"
>>96437998>way more generic and uninteresting in style.Good joke>Mediocre lore.better than 40k.>You play battletech with 2-5 minis. That's not a replacement for 40K or HH. That's the point of being alternative, not a fix for your addiction to british cocks.
>>96438046See you were specifically avoiding this because when you admit to just being an infinity and battletech fan and all of sudden there's a million angles to shit on you from.Its fine if you only care about gameplay and for some bizzare reason that led you to a hobby where gameplay is actually just part of it and its all dependent on painted physical miniatures from specific, often very detailed fictional settings. I don't know why someone like that wouldn't just get into multiplayer videogames where nobody cares about the thin lore and there's no hobbying aspect but whatever. But you're literally enraged at anyone engaging with it in any other way.
>>96432109I already bought everything for every army I intend on using. I did it in a way that was very sane, and not at all a sea of plastic.......>12 starter sets, all converted models when I get to them...>6 sets of 20 MkII marines+3 special weapons sets>some other tyranid stuff....I'm slowly working through it all....... ....... I swear.....
>>96438116Works out for the 12 sets; I bought them for 85 bucks and after tax and such, each "set" that would cost you guys 60 bucks it just costs me about 11 bucks. I will convert all the extra models, and many of the models that probably don't need to be. For three armies.The other guys coming are in the mail and is a 2000pt chaos force ready to just be assembled. I plan on carving out a chaos prince from the sprues+sprue glue.I also did this, for about... 300 bucks. It's a nearly complete 2k tyranid spider army.>all out of D&D miniatures
>>96436016Honestly would and I bet it would make her a better person. >>96437521I have no problem admitting 1. I'm asset rich and cash poor 2. It's not going to get much better for me. Unironically a box of minis, a couple of paints and a game book per month are the upper limit of what I can afford, and that's non GW stuff which is usually 50% cheaper.GW pricing is a shit test and people keep failing to leave the reservation. If you must War Ham, play an older edition and print or proxy.
>>9643804640k lore has moments but is mostly cringe. It was good when it was "fluff" ie an outline to inspire hobbying now it's overexplained garbage. Battletech lore is really dry and the kind of time investment in blandness thar I'd honestly rather just read history. Historical accounts are crazier than any lore anyway.
>>96436796NoIt's not my problem everI'm not in charge of GW. How much their models sell and how many people buy them is irrelevant to me. Kids not being able to buy them matters not to meIt's not my problem and never will be
>>96438368You're talking like a Dr. Seuss character who's not going to be able to afford models in like two pages.
>>96438100>and all of sudden there's a million angles to shit on you from.Well , certainly not from 40k side of the hobby>like that wouldn't just get into multiplayer videogamesWhat stops me from participating in both of them?
>>96437531The actual printers keep a low profile for obvious reasons
>>96438327>Battletech lore is really dry and the kind of time investment in blandness thar I'd honestly rather just read history. Historical accounts are crazier than any lore anyway.May be, but you have to give BT that it's managed to pull so many playable eras and keep shit together.
>>96438141I don't think anyone is envious of your horde of generic plastic spiders anon
>>96437998>More expensive per modelIt's mostly the same price or cheaper unless you are talking about horde models, which are cheaper but you need a fuckload of them.
>>96438377Please understand, you're probably talking to an idiot who thinks Primaris is good and obsesses over Redditors or Youtubers. It's not possible to talk sense, second-order effects, or anything about the future to him.
>>96438426In some cases but I really don't think so generally. Like I'm going by Ireland pricing so maybe infinity gets cranked up cause its coming from america. If I look at a box of space marine intercessors, I'm looking at 10 largish infantry for about 46 euro, about 4 and a half a model.If I find something from infinity where you get 9 models, but ones on a motorbike so count it as two, all meaningfully smaller than space marines, that's 80. Yes there's worse value 40K sets, but there's also worse value infinity sets. I can find on thats like 4 little lightly armoured tiny human guys for 40. Another thats like 9 infantry and one slightly larger infantry model for 110. Theres actually tonnes of sets that look like single squads(I don't think they are, but just to speak to what you physically get) and go for 80 or 90 or more. Its crazy. I know they're made of metal but that's a choice. Nobody is demanding they be in metal.
>>96438500damn they are poor
>>96432109How is the multibillion dollar company supposed to survive DRUMPF's taxes if you don't pay $70 for $2.50 worth of cheap, unpainted plastic?
>>96435339Most people who make games know how to make games but not how to finance them.
>>96432109>we've never sold as well as we do now>our company has never been more profitable or higher valued >we hold a major market share and there are no serious competition>but what if we could make... more money? I hate greed I hate greed I hate greed
>trump puts tarriffs in place>or not because of how fucked the US is because its apparently "illegal" but no ones gonna do a thing about it or whatever>rather than increase prices in america to reflect the tarriffs>increase the prices of everyone globally to subsidize it, because GW doesnt want to treat americans unfairly
>>96438844Truly, GW are the patrons of fairness and equality. Contemporary saints, we do not deserve them...
Warmachine eating good
>>96436016Jesus Christ what a hog.
>>96438927Privateer Press was in a position to overtake GW during the 6th-7th years only to somehow to make every bad decision the Bongs did and worse.
>>96438972Good thing PP is out and SFG is in. Everything I see from Wamrachine so far is kino.
>>96432109Oh dear, if only I had purchased all the things I needed or wanted in drips and drabs over the years and now possessed enough to play older editions of 40k and whfb with my friends. However will we enjoy fun scenarios and cinematic games now?Oh, wait, I have...The only stuff I'll be buying will be 3rd party minis for some stuff like allied pdf to my fallen Sororitas, or stuff for other game systems. Gw paypiggies can squeal away, the jewtax doesn't affect me one bit.
>>96438920>posting those twookay open wide anon.
>>96438458Tbf, in Infinity 9 models is pretty much a complete army
>>96438368>naturally occuring dr suessfuck man.but what if you played with them in a store?what if you played with them in a club?Do you play it at your home?Do you play it all alone?I don't think so anon-i-amI don't think you can.
>>96438116booomer, this is a warning"....." i gives you away as an old person.this is text we don't need to emmulate speech, but when we do we have the, "," and line breaks.
>>96435339Because Privateer Press cared more about appeasing trannies and having black characters than running a business. Many such cases—Sad!
>>96438844Trump started very concept of tariff warfare, is on his second term and his tariffs will likely leave with him.GW has been raising prices before and will be after orange man. Fuck off with your lame excuses
>>96438458>Yes there's worse value 40K sets, but there's also worse value infinity setsthe pricing made more sense when they were metal, i thought they were moving to hard plastics but something forgotten in this analcyst is infinity is a skrimish game. I buy an action pack, depending on the faction that's a 300 pts force.>slightly largerbro HI are fucking big now. back in 06 these guys used to be 25mm, they've largely gone from infantry to terminator size.there is more detail on the infinity models than marines too, marines tend to be very detail light.Gw tends to set the market and others follow it much to my frustration.but here's the rub, the real kicker, we aren't talking about conversions or kitbashing say with like wargames atlantic because GW doesn't do that no more.
>>96437834Warmachine despite being put through the tranny gauntlet is still a much better game. It’s lost a step since its best incarnation in 2nd edition though.
>>96438141And you’ll still be painting that when they change all the rules to obviate all of those models. That’s why GW is fucking gay. You can’t even buy in before they start squeezing your balls for more money.
>>96439217I don't know of a single black character in Warmachine, even the Protectorate of Menoth, which is supposed to be an empire that has territories in many different cultural regions, has NotArabs all because they took over NotMiddleEast. meanwhile that bitchfaggot company Games Wokeslop has a nog front in center in every showpiece either has the captain of a squad or as a Space Marine, and is slowly inching its way to turn your Space Gays into transMarines or full-fledged femMarines. They already sidelined you with Bitchstodes.
>>96435339it's fucking horrifying how often this happens90s off the top -Warzone killed by company death-battltech Harmony gold but they got better00s-vor -AT-43-confrontation -void10s-warzone again-warmahords-monsterpoclyse20s-everything cmon made espically Asoiaf-all of the FF Starwars-apparently warzone again (where's the store res nova, where's the fucking store?)-2000 ad warlord's shit-fucking a historical for some reason (flames of war)
>>96438707Gotta move that decimal point, my friend. It costs GW pennies per runner frame crudely injection molded.
>>96432939>Man, I don't get brand loyalty.That, and football, is the only tribalism allowed in kike-infested formerly White societies.
>>96439247Warhammer and Games Shitshop were floundering in the 2010s and a lot of people were leaving 40K to play Warmachine, but things just suddenly fucking works out for them out of nowhere. Vermintide and Total War Warhammer releases bringing in a whole new group of fanboys to make AoS successful, and 8th edition suddenly became popular out of nowhere to become the most popular edition the company has ever seen.For some reason, there is always a group of retarded faggots that come out of nowhere to save the company and make it explode exponentially at that point in time, like a barrage of normos just suddenly deciding to get into the hobby. The same thing happened with D&D 5e, growing popular to expectations unheard of.
>>96439367That's all common fan lore but it's all bs.In reality GW only lost money during the 4th 40k era due to a mix of factors. And the current boom began with the AoS GHB and 8th 40k featuring new marines (after everybody was tired of the now "classic" manlets)And 40k 8th+ is not like D&D 5e at all. While in both cases thye got a lot of new players, in 40ks case actual active players remained while adding many old guys coming back from their teenage years, not just noobs.
>>96439367>in the 2010s and a lot of people were leaving 40K to play WarmachineWarmachine was nothing and never put a dent on 40k.The real 40k competitor was X-Wing, which was everywhere and had a huge following until the company self-destroyed the game out of corporate retardation.
>>96439399>muh million fliesIronic how the more shit the product is, the more it sells.
>>96438458Corvus belli is from Spain
>>96432109It's okay. As long as I keep getting fun kits to collect. People gotta just stop being so broke
>>96439417>Warmachine was nothing and never put a dent on 40k.literally revisionism or europoor.
>>96437998>I will make any excuse to keep consooming GW product! Oink oink oink oink!
>>96439948Warmachine was only popular among tourneyfags and people tired of the shitty 3e+ 40k ruleset (ironically now shilled as the best evar). It never was a real competitiion to 40k in terms of sales or models, and no amount of online campaigns ever changed that.Once GW decided to pander to the tournament mindset, it was over.
>>96439399I'm sure you have sources to post for all the numbers in your retarded chart.
>>96440027>now you don't understand, it wasn't that the 5-7 slump was bad, warmahordes was never popular and wasn't ever competitingokay so where's your proof?
>>96439367Warhammer 40k is popular because it's popular.
>>96435339You need to do several things-sell your product cheaper, all while marketing and pushing for nerds to buy-inconvince players your product is worth 20+ years of effort, and more than GW's products they already have and could play insteadActually put out quality products, probably at a slight loss, for at least a decadeconvince stores to buy and stock all of your product to sell at LGS, taking up space, while making less margin because your products cost less than GWAlmost all rival companies do only one of these, some two, but never all because it costs a shit ton of money to un-entrench the major competitor
>>96440038you can find them in GW's corporate site. It has been a public company since 1990, retard
>>96440044>the 5-7 slumpthere was no such thing. 5e was a recovery to previous profit levels and later stagnated. >warmahordes a transient nothingburguer. The lack of sources is proof of that,. There's nothing to say about something that has little to no presence. X-Wing was the actual competition of 40k in the early 2010s (like Pokemon before in the early 2000s)
>>96440060No. GW is succesful because they consistently release products that people WANT. People see warhammer figures and they WANT them.Everything else is retarded copium dreamt up by desperate anti-GW manchildren.
>>96439417>>96439948I live in burgerland and I never saw warmachine in any LGS across a dozen states.X-wing was fucking everywhere because it was cheap, accessible, and stockable because everyone knew star wars
>>96440135GW makes the vast majority of its revenue from people who never touch the game or models again.
>>96437834Unsupported GW specialist games are generally fun (get the models all the files are online).Corvus Belli's Infinity and Warcrow are both great, they are releasing (well re releasing, the original release got drown by 8th edition 40k) Hexadpke legends, which is a excellent Choose your Fighters melee boardgame.Everyone shills OnePageRules, it's .. alright, and if you work in all the expansions it's got more depth than 40k.Morpheus has some decent games on well know licensed properties, for example their Fallout Game(s) are pretty good (Wasteland Warfare is incredibly in depth and covers essentially FO2-FO4); Fallout Factions is a great little game you can do as a campaign or just squeeze out a few games a night (also you basically need two boxes to play).TTCombat, while a garbage company, has a few really good games (under hostage); Rumbleslam (it's wrestling with the teams as fantasy creatures) and the DropZone/DropFleet game lines (the Drop games are generally excellent).Just go to the /awg/ thread and look around
>>96439247Confrontation is my "favourite" example. I still have a few minis but never really finished my army. The reason I was building it was because there was a small but very nice and active scene in my area and they had tournaments running and really good looking terrain.The entire scene just vaporized into thin air when the final edition was released.The decision to transition the miniatures range to pre-assembled and pre-painted soft plastic still boggles my mind.IIRC correctly it happened after new investors moved in. I imagine it went something like this.>"Nice product, but there's still only a 100,000 customers or so. So several billions of people have rejected our product">"Yeah well, not everyone is into building and painting minis">"So make the minis pre-painted">"Our customers probably won't like that">"Who cares if we lose 100k customers when we will gain 8 billion new ones?"
>>96440126The numbers come from the trade publications that the distributors are part of. They list top selling product by category. Warmachine was the top selling for a solid year and a half. The way people get so fucking but mad that someone dare challenge their game always astounds me. Especially in a thread about getting as fucked with absurd prices.
>>96440188I thought it was the mythical "whales"? Cope harder.The actual majority of GW customers are just regular dudes who play casual (but with the competive rules). They don't play in stores or tournaments but exclusively in their garages and man-caves. They have friends over for a weekend and play warhammer and drink beer and eat some BBQ.Every year they get some new units to paint so they have something new to show off for their friends and spice up the action on the table-top a bit. It's also a great feeling just watching your army grow over the years.
>>96440273NTA but that anon is correct. GW business model relies on attracting new customers that leave the hobby within 6 months of entering but spend a fuck ton in the meanwhile.
>>96440126utter retard>5e wasn't a slumpthe fuck are you talking about? we talking about the same period where GW starts pulling back on their product, removing all specialist games, rebooting it's main game and then finally capping it off with completely revising the flaghip's rules.not a slump my fat fucking ass. are you so fucking MUNTED that you have to lie to pretend a company was always on the up and up? >where are your proofsoh i can't find proof from 15 years agonigger half the people in this thread wouldn't know shit if it wasn't for GW publishing their shareholder shit. if you have the x-wing sales numbers why don't you just fucking threw them over here? >>96440153every LGS from 2014 i've been to have stocked heavily into warmahords during this period.all of mine region is east coast, cross about 2 regions. 3 cities
>>96440622Where in east coast? I was in most of new england and maybe 1/5 stores had any except for maybe a tiny row of blisters by a register at best.
>>96440837>new englandfunnily enough, maine, nova scotia and then down past the SLL to new york area.why i say regions instead of states.
>>96432109Don't you know? They make the best miniatures in the world.
>>96440915>Here's that space fascism I was telling you about, Billy.
>>96432109Unironically, where is this? It's not on warhammer.com and not on warhammer community. Do you have a link?
>>96440915I've never understood the hate for these models, is that the pose? the big guns?Better looking than the centurions, venerable dreadnought or that fucking kart
>>96441122Same shit.
>>96440622>the fuck are you talking about?look at the numbers here >>96439399, retardYour microscopic personal anecdotes aren't worth a shit
>>96438414most people printing figs aren't using the exact same 1:1 models as the official stuff, it's lot of off brand slightly different looking models. Exact STL's do exist but people don't just show them off everywhere>>96438141>300$ for 60 plastic spidersyou could get the same size plastic spiders on amazon for $15 and even with paying for seperate bases you would have saved hundreds. It's not even like you were buying very intricate or large models it's literally just plastic spiders lmao. You are a fucking mark and would buy anything GW branded
>>96432109Everyday I look at my 3dp and smile
>>96437859>>lore and aesthetics and model quality all matter to people. Usually they matter a lot more.They don't if you actually play games.We're not talking about buying games anon we're talking about buying miniatures.
>>96439183Right but then why are you comparing it to 40k then when killteam is closest analogue?
>>96441618>They don't if you actually play games.this may shock you, but most people that own models have never played more than a handful of games if that. Even if your into 40k, your likely not going to get to play more than one game a month, if that. 90% of everything to do with the hobby isn't actually playing the game, it's putting together models, painting them, reading books and having them sit on your desk for months before you and the boys can get together for an afternoon for a session. Aesthetics matter more and are most of the reason people buy and enjoy the mini's, not because they've got a slightly better movement and control score.
>>96432234god damn the americans have some good looking women
>>96441122Suspension of disbelief has limitations.(also, Primaris, so automatically shit, but not applicable to your question)
>>96441367you aren't very smart are you?\LOOK AT IT, YOURSELF YOU FUCKING RETARD.>loss cutting starts right before 5e>starts closing EU/NA offices>one man store initiativethat's only on the (my forecast) which is to my knowledge not really their own internal data but sure. what also happens during that time>cutting everything but the "big three." >cutting MESBG shortly after >Rebooting fantasythis is separate to knowing privateers press's sales which is my point, an absence of evidence is a matter of access because frankly, it'd be hard to talk about the 2010s restructuring and sales dip of the industry leader GW particularly because 10s were the last gasp of internet forums.when forums go under all that info goes with them, same with news websites becoming jeet SEO bait websites
>>96442499>please don't look at how 6th ed 40k was the best ever selling and profitable era of GW before the later 2017 boom>GW changing product lines and policies was a sign of their doom, it doesn't matter that they had been doing that forever before and also now>the lost marketing bs of a random american distributor trumps the legally binding corporate docs still available and published in offical websitesok, retard
>>96435339It's the nature of the business. You cannot make a war game without inevitably shooting yourself in the foot. The trick is that GW shoots itself in the foot just as hard as anyone else, maybe even harder, but they've got endless momentum to absorb shots that would outright kill smaller companies. Same exact situation as WotC and MtG
>>96437531I'm here, I've printed 18 armies this year, 10 fantasy and 8 40k, a number of them using 1:1 scans or sculpts (and some of them I could have used scans but preferred original creations from independent sculptors, or pretty close proxies that I sculpted extra details onto to make them fit the setting better).I would have continued lurking if you hadn't summoned me, but here I am, so I will say: I knew the announcement from GW was coming, we all did, but with each new price hike announcement (and each new fuckup in general like the terminus decree, the changes to HH3 that they backpedaled on) I become more vindicated in deciding to go 100% 3dp a couple years ago.
>>96438844It was never about tariffs, bud. That was just a convenient excuse to justify GW trying to turn their plastic army man game into a luxury brand.
>>96442578>>please don't look at how 6th ed 40k was the best ever selling and profitable era of GW before the later 2017 boomyou mean right before they start closing offices?could it be because they cut so many costs?there are clear slumps during this fucking period, including in 7th, read your fucking graph, revenue literally plateaus off from 2009 to 2011 but the operating profit is increasing because of the cost saving measures.>>GW changing product lines and policies was a sign of their doom, yeah, fucking unironically. i'm sorry mr faggot but if you're removing everything but your flagships and then cut down on your flagships, shit ain't good.>>the lost marketing bs of a random american distributor trumps the legally binding corporate docs still available and published in official websitesthe fuck are you talking about you absolute fucking retard?nothing i said relates to that at all, did you not fucking read your graph and got confused?or did you get confused about the entire subject line of the conversation?seriously though why don't you get all of the yearly reports and break them all down from 2007 to 2017, please i insist, you know people do lie in those right? likely more particular and it's clear you're interested in the granular details.
>>96439173thanks doc
>>96432109>They're still using AIDS of Failmore in their marketingTime to wrap it up guys
>>96432109I first quit GW in 1998 largely due to prices, I wanted ten ogryns and realised that even if I got £50 (then £60) I would not have spent it on ten ogryns. My mistake was trying to collect IG who in 2nd ed cost literally four times in real money what SM cost for the same points. I had a high elf army and wish I had just collected Necromunda and Epic as side games instead of wasting money on 40k. Many armies, especially chaos in warhammer and SM in 40k or epic as a whole really could be collected with pocket money then, you could absolutely get a small basic army for £25 or a big lavish one for £100I got back in in 2006 when it was actually more affordable in many ways and I had a bit more money, you also had ebay at the same time as the bitz service was still going so you could often get real steals.The prices long ago went from outrageous, to comical, to preposterous. I have got no fucking idea who is paying for this shit now or who can even pay for it. They must just have no interest in younger boys getting in to it and so anyone who does get in will just be a fairweather collector who quickly drop sit
>>96435323posts like this remind me of that golden wisdom:"It's easy to hate the rich, but do you have the courage to hate the poor?"Thank you for helping me find the courage, anon.
>>96438100your posts were very satisfying to read anon
>>96435443I love when faggots like you get their comeuppance, especially Americans who are never more than a few seconds away from total financial disaster and suddenly you're one of the people you've always despised and now people despise you for the moral failing of poverty
>>96445756just stop being poor lol its not hard money isnt even real
>>96435339The types of people who are able and willing to make a good game are not the types of people capable of running a successful business. In order for a wargame manufacturer to be a successful long-term company, it needs to be heavily anti-consumerist like GW is, but of course buying products from an anti-consumerist company is a very unappealing prospect for consumers. You compete with GW by being less anti-consumer, but that means the only competitive edge you can have will also directly eat into your profit margin. It is a fundamentally unworkable equation. You need to be able to eat huge losses for years while you build brand loyalty in order to be able to seriously threaten GW's position, which no small start-up can do.
>>96445698Hating the poor is easy: they're retarded bullies.
>>96432109I already have all the models I need so no. >>96435688No it hasn't as much as I wish it was. Anybody know what the real life TC community is like? It just seems that the TC fanboys in the online spheres are hipsters with a rusty bayonet up the ass.
>>96435339>At this point it is not if but when with rival games.>What causes this really?The core issue is that they get too greedy, too quickly. People forget that despite GW's changes, they built up a really strong foundation in the 80's and 90's. Rogue Trader was 1987, 2nd edition was 1993, 3rd edition was 1998. 10 years to build up a following, with a lot of really solid releases, interesting fluff, cool characters. Even 3rd edition for all of its faults was fine enough, and helped the game evolve into what we know it is today. The biggest differentiator is that 40k has always been more fluff and narrative based. A lot of the other games center themselves around mechanics and competitive play. So even if an edition of 40k sucks (as they have since roughly 5th edition), you still have the lore, you have campaign books, all that jazz. Other games don't have such an incredible foundation to fall back on, so when they screw up, that's it. Trench Crusade seems to realize this so they're going heavy on the lore aspect. Unfortunately it's a dice rolling probability simulator so I have no interest in the game side of it nor do I have interest in its blasphemy.
>>96444161>mentally ill inability to admit being wrong2013 was the year with highest revenue and profit for GW until then, and that's a fact. You could at least try to argue about that being offset by inflation or something, but your bare faced lies and retarded fanboy memes about those being their worst years as a company are bullshit, period.Stay mad about being a retard, subhuman
>>96448379>So even if an edition of 40k sucks (as they have since roughly 5th edition)This is midhammerfag cope. In technical terms of wargaming rulesets, all 40k editions are janky but serviceable mediocrity at best. GW has made much better "games".The newer editions just as bad as the old ones, just in different ways.
>>96435688Trench Crusade can barely support a community that isn't motivated entirely by spite and trying to prove that they aren't insane tranny hipsters.
>>96448494what in the fuck are you trying to argue right now?like are you literate or are you just a subhuman degenerate.first thing to remember while it's relatively better than other years this doesn't indicate that it's optimal or preferred. GW is still doing cost saving methods during the upswing. they are literally trying to cut down on labour costs, reducing SKUs, molds, product lines also labour and material savings. it's also why we got failcast during this period.if i operate from this graph, (which appears to be the data collected from a forum user) what i'm saying is correct, read the damn graph.06-07, bad, 08 turning it around with a spike in revenue, operating profit staggers up to match.2009-2011 profit increases despite no revenue increase, this indicates that cost cutting worked.revenue increases 2010 to 2013, operating profit does so but less drastically.2013-214 massive revenue downturn, this stops at 2016 and reverse course.profit is barely affected after 2014 and in fact rises with the down turn in revenue. something consistent in this is every new edition coincides with an increase in sales EXCEPT 7th. while fantasy has little impact if your sole problem is that Gw during a period of 10 years had a highpoint between 2011 and 2013 according to this forum user's data, why are you arguing the point?07 to 2017 had enough slumps and plateaus, GW's behaviour indicates a concern. it's pretty clearthere's no fucking memes here.
>>96448701The data comes from official docs in GW's and the Uk gov sites.The point is that the common fanboy perception you parrot of the early 2010s being almost the end of GW are wrong. It doesn't fit the facts.GW changing lines or cost cutting is meaningless because they've done that all time like any other company. In fact, they actually made MORE new SKUs and games like the HH or Space hulk 4th ed.It all comes from 7th ed being just a barely updated 6th Dark Vengeance starter set, rules being a mess (formations), huge competition from X-Wing, the Dawn of War III debacle, killing WHFB/Gathering Storm being polarizing, and the start of the stupid current culture wars shitshow. And that's it. That 7th ed was not as succesful as 5-6th.So you're the problem. The idiot that needs to shut up and lurk and read more.
