What makes OSR consistently the most socially acceptable games to say you like on /tg/? They've got a lot of prestige and cachet and it's hard to say anything bad about them...Heck not even on /tg/, even Reddit and ENWorld give OSR so much love and credit...Are they basically the most socially acceptable and prestigious RPGs today?
Are you fucking delusional? Half the time if you so much as imply you like OSR games you get told to stay in your containment thread.
>>96437298simply compare the picture you thought was cool enough to save and post compared to the "modern audience" slop that WotC is plastering in their D&D products.You already know what the answer is, subconsciously.
>>96437298I am genuinely convinced 80% of people who suck OSRs dick dont play games and just pirate books. So many of you are no better than the DnDrones who buy the quarterly supplement slop.
>>96437316This. Also, 4chan has this weird tendency to get things 70% correct and then fumble the remainder. B/X and 1e are good starting points for a new (old) way to play dnd, but they need work. OSR feels more like an actual game and the aesthetics ate sovlfvl.
>>96437298Single page OSR dorks and single page modern narrativist nerds are two sides of the same cringey coin
>>96437298reddit tourists who don't play games landing here from /v/ where they've absorbed the "old good new bad" trying to fit in
>>96437393>"old good new bad"No error detected.
>>96437373Mork Borg and Dungeon World are not OSR
>>96437298The /osrg/ has one of the worst reputations on this board. It's got several of the worst kind of proxy-/pol/ trolls stationed there.You already know that, that's why you made this weird ass trolling thread just to hear people tell you that you need to fuck off.>>96437312Well that was quick.
>>96437542>It's got several of the worst kind of proxy-/pol/ trolls stationed there.what? seriously?i legit have not seen that when browsing it, but i may have missed it
>>96437447While generally true, OSR isn't even the only (let alone the best) old game. It's not even old if you use the post-2000 stuff that's part of the OSRenaissance rather than OSRevival, so it in many cases lacks that claim to prestige.
>>96437298>socially acceptable>/tg/
>>96437298OSR were games designed to be played.As opposed to nugames designed to be sold for profit to redditors.Most OSRs have in common that they want to make a good system, if not always successfully. Oh and their settings and artwork doesn't suck.
>>96438518>opposed to nugames designed to be sold for profit to redditors.Yeah because no OSR games are or have ever been sold for profit. You're delusional.
>>96438544Where have I said that? Exactly. Point is, OSR devs played their own games largely.Another sad example of /tg/ fauna literacy.
I just recently started reading Mentzer BECMI and its impossible not to become a fan. The writing, the visuals, the clean design. Its alluring, its fantastic. It really teaches the fun of the experience. D&D had earlier versions (0D&D, Holmes, Moldvay, etc), but all feel like undercook prototypes. Mentzer is the quintessential game.Gygax AD&D is a true mess of pedantic ramblings and a terrible, pointless endeavor without any resemblance of gaming. A truly entertaining read, but not for the intended reasons.AD&D 2e feels slightly cold, like a instruction manual, but its still very good. The campaign settings are full of personality and character. Some of them are too cool to be forgotten (Dark Sun and Planescape are both magnificent experiences).3E/d20 System and all spin-offs (including its own 3.5v) are truly interesting too. Overall, it feels like a "better" AD&D 2e. Love it just because of Eberron. Most of the stuff people complain about it are actually answered and explained in the books.4E is too much its own thing. It goes in a weird direction, and provides a slightly different experience.5e is good, but could be so much better. It brings nothing new to the game, just deliver simpler, lesser versions of stuff that came before. But less. Always less. It tries so hard to be straight and easy to get for newcomers, it gets boring. 5e is the other extreme of Gygaxian style. No dept, cool art, welcoming design.
>>96437298OSR are perceived as ttrpg punk. That's how you end up with shit like Mork Borg and that's why /osrg/ gatekeeps the fuck out of the term
OSR games are modular, i.e. you can borrow this mechanic from this game and that mechanic from that game.They're the best introduction to new people in the hobby, particularly GMs.
>>96438587Eloquently put and I agree with most of what you wrote.
>>96438550>OSR devs played their own games largely.Tons of modern RPGs have actual plays either by or associated with their creators, you're talking out of your ass.>Where have I said that?>What is implication?
>>96437298Bait used to be believable but also fun. This ain't it.
I've been considering shifting my setting's gears towards something more akin to OSR because I like having a world that's painted by player, yet I am still kinda tied to my love of freakshit (races that are a little more removed from humanity). Is there any recommendations to where I should look first?
>>96439819I'll put my hands up and fully admit my bias on this one but have you considered ACKS?Because it's basically a toolkit that lets you make your own settings and you could go full 'humans don't exist' if you fancied, that and it does something with freakshit I've never seen done before but that was a real lightbulb moment for me.Race-as-class is replaced by 'Several-classes-as-a-race.Dwarves aren't a class. But Vaultguard is, and only a dwarf can be a vaultguard, or a sporecaster, a machinist, ect. Same as only a human can be a fighter, thief, et al. Other races might have equivalents, but they're culturally unique versions of the same concept rather than being a repaint.It's honestly the coolest way to lean into 'No, these races are separate groups' I've ever seen.
>>96439850Honestly, I've never given it a fair shake but I do like the idea of several-classes-as-a-race. I think I remember something like a class-builder within it. I'll look into it and see what I can cook up. Thanks Anon.
>>96439904Glad to help, in fact someone posted their custom race a while back, let me see if I can find it.https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94451498/#94452803
>>96439820Wow. Thank you for telling me.
>>96440351Funny how every time your worthless ass turns up I can point to the archive and your previous posts, meanwhile all you can do is attempt to will reality into existence using the Odinwords of the Discordvulk.But hey, I'm sure you're completely honest and I'm lying, given I treat words as a way to communicate information meanwhile you treat them as spells, where the right combination will hex your enemies with Jannymagic.You gobby, self-indulgent little faggot.
>>96437298Its the Eminem of TTRPGs
>>96440384You point to the archive because you're counting on no one being as autistic as you to care enough to check, because anyone who would care would be able to take a look and see thousands of your deleted tantrums and call you out on your bullshit.You lie, lie hard, and lie often, because that's really your only tool aside from your superhuman autism.Wait, superhuman? What am I saying?Your subhuman autism is what you rely on. Hence why you're willing to throw yet another tantrum now.
>>96440414explain this analogy to someone who knows nothing about rap music
>>96437501Your hack sucks, mine is the trve OSR.I really do hate most of the "hardcore, old-school DnD" people. Literally the most retarded and mentally ill trash you'll ever meet.Imagine if you will, your friend gets accused of Rape. Capital R rape, the accuser says Rape Rape Rape over and over again. Instant cancellation, people coming forward with their "I always knew it and hated him". Eventually the details come out and it turns out he raped her in a DnD game. Okay, you might think he tried to make it sexual. More research later, he didn't. They were playing a game and had a "Cast the evil object into the fire!" moment. He was DMing, and the accuser is trying to keep the evil object. Dragged the game on for an hour. So a different player, not the one being accused, uses Word of Command or something and finishes the question. Everyone laughs it off and 3mo later the accuser contacts her "Rapist" and tries to bait him into typing out an apology. Maybe he does. Now she has the evidence of him "confessing" to "raping" her. You see, her consent was violated, so she was raped. And if you go "this is bullshit, you can't just do that" then you, my friend, are supporting Rapists getting away with the Evil they do. As a bonus the person getting their life burned to the ground would happily be participating in the burning if it wasn't happening to them, and once the internet moves on in a few weeks to a new monster that must be slain, they will add their voice to the chorus, having learned nothing. That's a real incident that happened by the way, I've known of so many. I remember a guy got accused to rape because he fucked some chick at the con (consensually) and she later found dog hairs on her clothes, and he didnt tell her he owned a dog, so technically, she didn't give informed consent, as she is both allergic to and afraid of dogs. The dog was obviously not present.
>OSR>acceptableLOL, you will be lumped into being a brownoid larping as a gorgnard
>>96438587i've run about 4 sessions of wight-box so far and im liking it :)
>>96438262>>96437298>socially>/tg/
>>96440663>I remember a guy got accused to rape because he fucked some chick at the con (consensually) and she later found dog hairs on her clothes, and he didnt tell her he owned a dog, so technically, she didn't give informed consent, as she is both allergic to and afraid of dogs. The dog was obviously not present.Is this the infamous Liz-Fong Jones?
>>96437298The OSR thread in /tg/ is full of insufferable, dismissive faggots;Modern "OSR" is often like this >>96437501HOWEVERThe OSR principles concerning the type of game, ruling, sense of genuine danger, relative simplicity, relationship with the gameworld can be really enjoyable. I recently went back to low level basic D&D and for me it remains the best one even if I am also a huge 3e/1ePF fan for different reasons. Also old creatures catalogues are so charming.
>>96437298>>96440720>>96438262>acceptable>/tg/
>>96437298>What makes OSR consistently the most socially acceptable games to say you like on /tg/? They've got a lot of prestige and cachet and it's hard to say anything bad about them...Lmao no they fucking don't. OSR shit is full of poseurs and Gygax-worshipping culture war retards. There's a new "TRVE OLD SCHOOL" game every fucking week and none of them can even agree on what OSR means or what it's supposed to entail or if it's just a "vibe"
>>96437298No. You're a retard. OSR is a fart in the wind and wildly unpopular with the mainstream RPG crowd. It's barely tolerated on /tg/ as well.
>>96440740This writer has a somewhat different opinion of what something being OSR is, and feels like a very odd mention in a forward to a comic trade.
>>96439904I did a whole splatbook for the system and can strongly recommend it.
>>96437298It's popular among people who like the idea of playing a romanticized version of a game that they've never played, while also never intending to actually play it. So basically 90% of /tg/ at any given moment about any RPG.
>>96440570Its a safe choice to say you like.
>>96440742It's kind of incredible how up their own ass the little K&KA clique is. They will say things the entire rest of the world knows is wrong, but pretend it's an established fact.
>>96440960>Again, ACKS is an entirely new systemI like ACKS (at least, the part I can find online as SRD) but a lot of it isn't new. Even the trading part is taken from old BECMI gazeteers.
>>96441085Take anything from BECMI, and make it worse by making it overcomplicated and take forever to resolve while producing boring results. That's ACKS.
>>96441159Yeah I hear this all the time, it's a bit of an exaggeration and more importantly it's not the point of my answer you functionally illiterate retard.
>>96441173>it's a bit of an exaggerationNah.
>>96441088>The need to imply the people they dislike are a tiny and irrelevant minorityTo be fair, they're right. Both sides are right, because anyone part of any part of OSR is part of a tiny and irrelevant minority.
>>96437298It's just (reactionary) conservatism and appeal to authority>it's what Gygax intendedThat said I don't have a problem with OSR, I have problem with the bitter cunts at /osrg/
>>96441085Shit if anything, if he was right that'd make it even worse. After all, what's worse than a heathen? A heretic. Someone who doesn't believe in your god can be won over, someone who does but thinks you're wrong or in a different way? That's the real threat.By his own argument, people in /osrg/ should be seething incandescent over ACKS and its balance changes, its attempts to give mechanics for things that were intentionally left open, ect, ect, so on, so forth.But they're not, some are disinterested, some take what they want, others go for the whole thing.Want to know something really funny? I used to agree with this absolute drongo.Go back in the archive and you'll find posts from yours truly calling osr a bit of a cargo cult, people following the way things were done for the sake of following the way things were done. I didn't get it when I first poked my nose into the threads.But I was wrong, people do know what they're doing and that's playing a specific genre in their campaigns, a particular method and way of play that's as unique as, say, the original Doom games compared to modern Cawlwadoody or LoL.OSR has its own culture and set of design principles that you could, if you were autistic enough, run with any game system.Shit, I could run a PbtA OSR campaign, I know both PbtA & OSR well enough to do it.But I'm not going to insist everyone talk about PbtA as if it's OSRCore, because I'm not a cocksucking retard.
>>96441245True, I just find it funny that they have to emphasize it errytime. It's like admitting that your specific method of play isn't for most people is the same as admitting defeat.
>>96441085ACKS is simultaneously old as stone, tried and trve dnd as gygax would have wanted it, but also fresh and new and not re-used ideas that kinda sucked and people had mostly gotten bored of before the turn of the century.
>>96441348I just steal what I want from OSR stuff, AD&D 1e 2e etc to add to my heavily BECM-ed B/X>>96441316>DoomIt just clicked to me that people nowadays still play and dissect Doom because it has stuff that they cannot find in later game, it's an apt parallel.
>>96441455>It just clicked to me that people nowadays still play and dissect Doom because it has stuff that they cannot find in later game, it's an apt parallel.I mean shit, you can extend that metaphor far as you like. People still use GZDoom to build modern games with old Doom principles that people fill their gussets over.Ashes 2063, ect.And there are games in the Doom franchise that don't fit with the original Doom formula and that people outright view as 'Not Doom'.Mainly Doom 3.That doesn't mean Doom is the only game that should or does exist, but pretending that Boomer shooters aren't a genre because you want to hoot and rave about Gears of War in the Doom discussion forum isn't going to make you welcome.It's going to make everyone hate your guts and rightfully so.
>>96441496>And there are games in the Doom franchise that don't fit with the original Doom formula and that people outright view as 'Not Doom'.There are also Doom mods and wads that are built on the original Doom but don't capture the same feel or gameplay, intentionally or not.This also happens with OSR
>>96437298pretty much because it's the excuse to like simple systems, which most people do, without being a "casual"also keep playing d&d while saying you are playing something else
>>96442918>also keep playing d&d while saying you are playing something elseKinda doubt that's anyone's intention
>>96440663I think you forgot to include the part where the story had a point, anon.
>>96441647>There are also Doom mods and wads that are built on the original Doom but don't capture the same feel or gameplay, intentionally or not.Any game that's not absolutely identical will, by the nature of that statement, be different and have a different "feel". It then becomes a question of who decides what elements that are the same can be said to allow it to have the same "feel" as the original Doom.You can endlessly debate the qualifiers. To some, the exact gameplay is paramount, so a reskinned direct doom clone like Chex Quest is TRVE DVVM and nothing else is. To others, a vital component is the near-total disregard for story/character elements beyond it being a tongue-in-cheek joke about revenge over a bunny. To others, it's the enemies, continued lore, and other trademarks that determine whether its TRVE DVVM or not. To others, it's Doom's role as an innovator and flagship of the FPS genre, and that TRVE DVVM means reflecting the tastes and graphics of the current period. And, to others, it means graphical/technical fidelity to the period it was originally released.No one is absolutely, objectively correct. And, the only way you're going to have a civil discussion about Doom is if you accept that other people will have different opinions and ideas of what is TRVE DVVM.
>>96442918OD&D is fascinating, because on the one hand there are lots of elegant design principles that would be great to bring into a more modern iteration (minimal mechanical character customization, stats do very little so 3d6-down-the-line works fine, gp turning into xp, almost every attack is just an unmodified d6, etc), but then it just randomly gives you an impenetrable chart of all the saves for no real reason.Also it explains why every edition of D&D seriously starts to break down after, like, 12th level or so - the game stopped there originally! There weren't spells higher than 6th level, and most classes stopped at L10.
>>96441455>It just clicked to me that people nowadays still play and dissect Doom because it has stuff that they cannot find in later game, it's an apt parallel.It's mostly for nostalgia or familiarity. Doom was an insanely popular game, and a few manchildren who cling to the past stuck with it, and are occasionally joined by hipsters that want to associate with retro stuff, but who also want a larger social group to receive approval from.It's good, don't get me wrong, but there are hundreds of boomer shooters that do the exact things doom did, but more. There's a reason the world moved on from it.
>>96446892levels correspond pretty much 1-to-1 with how much "standard" damage a character can take. a 12th level character can tank about 12 sword or axe hits. past 5th or 6th level, it's basically super saiyan territory.
My upbringing in videogames will always influence my preferences. And I'd argue the osr genre doesn't cater to that.
It's the only significant "movement" in the TTRPG space that isn't irredeemably woke, and even then there are woke branches.
