Just got this today, what will my group think of it?
>>96445633Why does the game have two starter sets?
>>96445637Free League are bringing out new starter sets for this, Alien and Vaesen.
how am i supposed to know your group
>>96445664Alien is also getting a second edition so the new starter set makes sense and Väsen never had a starter set. The One Ring isn’t getting a new edition and already has a starter set. This shit makes no sense.
>>96445722Vaesen is also getting a second edition.
>>96445722Maybe better editing, rule clarifications, better adventure, etc that could help better represent the product compared to the first game?I can understand that because some starter sets are absolutely dog shit at representing the actual game. Starfinder, for example, leaves out damn near half the mechanics and treats a universal science fantasy universe like a typical D&D dungeon crawl but with lasers and shit. Then again all the published adventures treated SF like regular PF adventures with lasers and shit, so Paizo is apparently incredibly retarded when it comes to actually utilizing its own tools for adventure building.
>>96445792Having a quick glance at the revised rule book and they seem to have done a way better job explaining combat and the map that comes with it also has a combat zone and standees to let you test it out and help your players visualise it.
>>96445637The Shire adventure in the original starter set for The One Ring was not a very good representation of the game.
>>96445808that's pretty neat
>>96445900With standees
>>96445944looks like it should work pretty wellI mean the utilitarian aspect PSalso I feel like cardboard standees are underappreciated in this hobbyeveryone wants expensive plastic miniesand they are just not as convenient and a lot of them aren't even pretty to look at
>>96445722Wasn't the first One Ring starter set a series of adventures where you are all hobbits in the shire? That doesn't sound very representative of the game as a whole.
>>96446082Yes. This new set is a company of Men, Elves, Dwarves, Halflings and a woman exploring the lands of Eriador.
>>96445985To be fair, minis were the best choice for a long ass time because the cardboard for standees was pretty terrible until fairly recently. Hell, by the time you factored in the unique die cuts, the clarity of good printed images, and the quality of the paper stock needed at the time, it might actually have been cheaper to make a basic mold for metal minis to be poured. I'm 100% for figure flats and even those arknight plastic flats over minis. Especially for board games, however, this is only true if said flats have a good base so they aren't knocked around easily.
can someone post the differences?I have the first starter..
>>96445633Can we just play DnD again?
>>96446427>Rule book seems better especially regarding combat>New adventures set outside of the Shire and a darker tone>Minis/standeesIs there anything else you'd like to know? I could have a look for you.
>>96446131>and a womanAhh yes, one of Tolkiens most legendary mythological creatures.
>>96445633>what will my group think of it?How the fuck should we know? Ask your group.
>>96445808>>96445944I'm only familiar with the first edition- what's the reason for having the layout like that (circular design sectioned into quarters, with party in the center and "engaged enemies" zones perpendicular)? Why not just have a rectangular layout with friendly half/enemy half?
>>96447613Range bands aren't all that uncommon in games. Why is broken down into bands and quadrants, I don't know, unless the game operates on siege logic where defense of NSEW areas are common enough occurances that having such a setup just be the standard makes sense.
>>96451092Yeah, I get the concept of forward/open/defensive/etc. (I know 1st edition One Ring), just wondering about the quartered circule layout. I guess for detached groups of enemies, but it seems like a odd way to go about it.
>>96445637Are you referring to One Ring and Adventures in Middle Earth or whatever it's called? Because the latter is a D&D supplement.
>>96446082I have played one of those adventures and it was retarded
>>96447613>Why not just have a rectangular layout with friendly half/enemy half?how exactly are you going to do that?- needs to have 2 zones for back rows (friendly + enemy)- needs to an easy way of identifying 3 stances for those engaged in melee- needs to accommodate for several groups who are engaged in melee inside of the group, but are not engaged in melee between groups- not look retarded
>>96451780nah, tOR has 2 different starter sets starting this summer with the release of OPs picrelanons have said that the original hobbit/shire starter set was shat on for having boring adventures included
>>96453750Ah, that's my mistake then.
>>96445792>Starfinder, for example, leaves out damn near half the mechanics and treats a universal science fantasy universe like a typical D&D dungeon crawl but with lasers and shit. I think they wanted a Star Wars llicense, didn't get it annd made a generic setting instead.>Then again all the published adventures treated SF like regular PF adventures with lasers and shitTo be fair, this CAN work>Paizo is apparently incredibly retarded when it comes to actually utilizing its own tools for adventure building.Yes. They are a very pecuiar mix of flashes of genius, cool designs and boneheaded retardation.
>>96445637The original was the Shire and Hobbits only. As someone who thinks Hobbits and the Shire are the best things about anything Tolkien, it was amazing. For everyone else it felt like nothing but a tutorial in a video game. Since the point of these starter sets is to get people hooked it was pretty poor.
>>96453737I mean something like this. Why wouldn't this work?
>>96457933OK now can you tell which blue guys is engaged with which red guy in a glance?open and defensive blue guys don't even look like they are engaged in melee
>>96458975Now consider anons pic with the circular zoneI can add a new red dude and it will be clear he is not engaged in melee with anybody and is in forward stance
>>96459032pls ignore spelling mistakesIm a senior citizen and I have dementia
>>96459032same anon hereit seems the enemies do not get to chose stancesbut other points stand please excuse my dementia
What's different rule-wise from the first set?
>>96459201yeah you are probably meant to put enmy standees in the red zone, which has no stances subzones
>>96458975No, but you can generally keep track of that anyways, and grouping them in-line can help with that. It's meant to be abstracted anyways.I suppose the best advantage is keeping track of separate groups of enemies, or sub-combats, but you could achieve that by also having x-axis lines on the chart I drew up. The party being in the middle does add a feeling of insecurity, and better illustrates the party being surrounded, if that's the case.>>96459201No worries, thanks for the replies, Anon.
