Imperator EditionPrevious thread:>>96437676>Legacies: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Thread Question:Compared to the more modern titans and knights do you think the classic Imperator's aesthetics hold up?
First for Iron Warriors.
>>96446708>TQI don't like that model very much, but a titan with a cathedral on its back is such a classic Warhammer concept that I have to defend it. However, in the case I'd ever buy a titan, I'd go for a more modern design. How does solar auxilia play in 3.0? Having those mechanicum detachments looks pretty fun, shame that they can't get ursaraxii in those. But I guess that's what allies are for.
>>96446708>tqYes, it helps that for the new titan types they took very direct inspiration from the older sketches.
>>96446735>cathedral Not all emperor titans have it. Iirc it's an option even in the older AT stuff.
>>96446708>TQImperator was made with the predecessors of modern titan designs in mind. Current Mars pattern Warlord and Warhound are just evolutions of the original (pre-)Epic ones. Now, of course a Numperor titan would tone down some of the fancier elements and add more of the rounded body paneling found on new super-heavies (as seen in more modern art of the things), but unless they go full redesign for production purposes, I don't see how it couldn't fit design wise.
>>96446776You're thinking of the Warmonger, which put AA guns on top and a small landing pad in the middle, along with other changes.
>>96446735>How does solar auxilia play in 3.0?
Reposting from end of last thread, do ranged armigers have a spot in mech lists? You can get TWO Lightning locks or graviton pulsars, at the same price as a Krios. Lightning locks are D2 and breaching 5+, so they can even threaten termies and veterans, and the grav guns have pinning (2) in case you want to gimp the lucky few survivors,What about the daemon engines like Brass scorpion and Kytan? Blood Slaughterer and Decimator look kinda mid but I don't know how the big boys standAlso, how did the demon engines fare when making
>>96446735>How does solar auxilia play in 3.0?Still very reliant on its tanks to do the heavy lifting, but it's an actually functional army now.>>96446823As opposed to vanquisher battle cannon spam in 2.0 or dracosan demolisher cannon spam in 1.0?
>>96446708TQThey certainly need an update, but nothing too extreme. I'd mainly change the legs. What really needs to be resolved is the scale issue. How big are Imperators exactly? Are they building sized? Are they kilometres tall? Are they 40m tall? depictions are all over the place
>>96446708Mostly, it might need a few scale changes and details. Also a lot more secondary and tritary guns.
>>96446855tfw you have 4+ save but they're all running 7.62 ap2
>Newrecruit put legacies inTime for theorycrafting
>>96446860Dracosan Demolisher Cannon spam is back, actually.
>>96446921Legioncels fear the quirked up Legatine chad
>>96446921The difference is that SA have options besides that now that also work. And demolisher cannons still are reduced to small blast AP 3, so it isn't as devastating as it used to be.
>>96446823>>96446860What if I want to focus on infantry and ogryns with some robot support? Aren't the ogryns a decent melee unit and the heavy flamer guys can do volleys with them?
Threw up in my mouth
>>96446841Brass scorpion is amazing, especially now it can be buffed. Definitely recommend it.
>>96446980Thank you for reminding me of how much I hate redditors.
Fuck off to /pol/ or /his/ or even the war rekt threads on /gif/. You gormless faggot who have to turn every hobby space into a discussion about [Current IRL Topic] are such fucking losers.
>>96446980>pr*maris model with zero modifications>"legion champion"
>>96446990Really? What's good about it? Are you meant to charge stuff or shoot stuff with it?
>>96446914Noice...but i build lists by picking which units I actually want, then juggle them into place and see how much Character tax I need.I don't think I can do that in NuRecruit
>>96447055No you don't get it, it's a headswap and a pauldron swap. It's absolutely heresy-kosher.
>>96446957>SA have options besides that now that also workHonest question, like what? I heard their artillery is peak, but it's hard to look at anything else when Dracosans axemen are finally greenlit>And demolisher cannons still are reduced
>>964469572/2>And demolisher cannons still are reducedI still think swapping the las for demolisher should cost some transport capacity. Like go from 22 to 12. But maybe it should also be free? Irdk :(
>>96447125It did cost half the capacity during 1.0.
>>96447084You can add as much as you want, it will just be covered in red ! until it's legal
>>96446676>>96446841The armiger autocannons eat 3-4 Vets/Thallax a round on average, not too shabby. The armiger meltagun is a gambling weapon against heavy units, 22% of the time you pick a Land Raider off the table at 12" range and the rest of the time you do very little, since you probably aren't getting to 12" melta range without moving and losing S10. Still, pretty decent for a 150pt walker that's fast and decently tough, compares well to dreads.Moirax is 2" slower for some reason at move 8, didn't notice that before. Lightning locks eat basically all infantry, although again I prefer them on Mech Karacnoi that get more guns more cheaply. Volkite is a bit lame, moirax grav is reasonably scary. You can get 4 shots with Shock (Pinned) and Pinning (2), and while they don't really hurt anything bigger than a Marine they can happily status vehicles and pin squads forever. Just remember they can't split fire like vehicles can, so you can't pin two squads with one rifleman armiger.Brass Scorpionposting hit character limit, one second.
>come to hhg to see minis, post a WIP maybe>it’s just politisperging about russia and a repost from reddit
>>96447077In melee you get up to 4 attacks at strength 10 ap2 with armourbane, Crits (5+) and armour-breaker(4+) mean each attack can do up to 5 damage (and against av14 all your attacks are effectively damage 4)You get to volley fire a crapton of guns before charging, and the Unstoppable subtype means you can move in and out of combat as you please. It's guns are pretty fun too, and you can buff it to bs5/ws5
>>96447137>Mech Karacnoi that get more guns more cheaply.Aren't both a Krios and a rifleman Moirax 170-ish points?
>>96447164I completely overlooked the fact that it can volley fire.
>>96447130It was also a S10 AP2 5" blast gun in 1.0. Retards who cry about nerfing transport capacity are all nogames netbabies, or they'd realize that a S10 AP3 3D 3" blast isn't that much better than 2 S9 AP2 D1 shots, definitely an upgrade but not "halves your transport capacity" level of upgrade
>>96446841>>96447137The Brass Scorpion is a nigh-invulnerable ridiculous engine of destruction and I love it. 15W, T8 2+ 5++, EW (1), has implacable advance to fire its large blast demolisher cannon twice and then charge every round. Can move through other models, can't be locked in combat so the cannoning never ends, hits hard enough in melee to fold up a Kratos or a Spartan in two rounds or so. It doesn't really have the attacks to deal with infantry in melee, but it doesn't really care. It is a bit slow, though, since it gets a lot of its firepower from Volley and so wants to be close. Run at people, blast basically any target with the guns and then go chew on a vehicle in melee, repeat forever. It doesn't hard-counter anything in particular offensively, especially since as an automata it can't split fire its anti-infantry guns while firing the main gun at vehicles, but it will happily rip large chunks out of essentially anything you point it at.10 Thunder Hammer Justaerin beating on this thing at once don't even take it to half health. A Sicaran Venator or a Kratos firing at it do maybe 3 wounds on average, because you can't get melta rule benefits or Shock(Status) against non-vehicles. Get an Archmagos or a couple of techmarines to repair you and throw some cybertheurgy buffs and you fear nothing that doesn't have a Volcano Cannon, although Cerberoi and Knights Atrapos should still be murdered with extreme prejudice. Get some Vultarax friends and status the hell out of them while you kill them, it makes all the Ordnance (D) neutron lasers lose half their damage.>>96447170A lightning cannon Krios is 135 and extremely fast. A Karacnos is 225 and gets two independently firing lightning locks plus the incredible Pinning (3) phage barrage, and all of them are defensive weapons.
>>96447154They did it in the last /hhg/ as well. Just keep reporting them for being Off Topic or whatever. Mods will wake up eventually.
>>96446980>comments calling out the zero effort MKXat least those have a lot of upvotes
Vehicles should go back to not having hull points and the 5th ed damage tables.
Idk how to use Dynat. He is a praetor on foot, meaning he is for melee and needs a transport......but he also infiltrates his unit, meaning that he won't be using a transport, and he will begin close to the enemy but also won't melee them until T2. And he won't shoot them either, as to not risk Return Fire.I'm at an impasse. I'd rather have his 1.0 rules back (in the enemy's DZ, his army rerolls sweep (Pursue?) rolls, and gets +1 to vehicle pen)
>>96447232You're nostalgia blinds you to the fact that this would just be a massive nerf because unlike 5th 40k it's easy as fuck to get a massive spam of anti-tank weapons to just make all vehicles crippled hulls, and no I'm not even talking about WAACfag lists or the new FOC.
>>96447294People aren't gonna be able to put their tactical squad on an objective turn 1 when Dynat and a squad of 10 praetorian command squad chosen are standing on it.
>>96447203>>96447319Horus Heresy???
>>96447301>a massive nerfGood! IRL, if a tank gets penetrated, it's probably destroyed. It should be the same on the tabletop.
>>96447333Ah, its the anti tank fag again, got it
>>96447294He's not actually that good at melee compared to a regular praetor, since anything that either struggle to kill in a duel will have a 2+ save and so he basically rounds to a normal praetor with -1A unless you are specifically killing MEQ. As far as I can tell, Dynat is a cheap transport for one of your non-infiltrating infantry units who happens to come with a praetor statline and MOTL, which is pretty handy by itself. Use him to shove chosen or some Rewards of Treason elites in the enemy's face, or even set a HSS up in optimal firing position for round 1, although that is a bit of a waste if you do actually want to melee at all. Personally I'm liking the idea of 10 RoT Suzerains, they're relatively affordable and they come with invulns and at-initiative AP2. Alternatively, you can go for the chaos configuration, join him to 50 levies with whatever provenances you like and infiltrate a giant wall of bodies onto the board's centreline. React/move them forwards to block off the objective, leave a deeper checkerboard of infantry at max coherency ahead of enemy transports to stop them driving across the line and enjoy all the midfield space you just created as the enemy infantry have to kill you off to break the line. Augmented Levies won't rout when meleed but can't Reposition for that 3" of extra zoning when going second.This probably isn't good, and it will probably get Dynat killed if he doesn't detach and end up in your backline, but it is funny.
Mechanised list, except it's slightly more infantry/line focussed than just running tanks and tanks and tanks. Thoughts?
"Spoilers" for Kyme's Immortal Duty:>He gave no recognition of the fact I had just spoken his name. I thought he had died and yet here he was, aboard the Obstinate. But something was very wrong. His flesh looked cold, gelid, like the severed heads in front of me. Azoth’s fire had been extinguished. Ice filled his veins and countenance. A dead man stood before me with the axe, dead and yet animate, bereft of any sense of cognition that would mark him out as the warrior I once knew.What's being implied here?That they rescued Azoth, same as Gallikus, from space but he was wounded enough that when they put more cybernetics onto him to save him, it essentially turned him into a servitor? Or something similar to that, basically lost enough of his flesh that he lost his soul too?Or is there some deeper, darker IH lore I’m missing here? Maybe it’s punishment for failing in his duty again, but that doesn’t make sense since Gallikus failed in the same way and he’s being kept as an Immortal.
>>96447195It's not about balance it's about fluff. That thing can't carry as many people because you gotta carry the shells for the demolisher too which 1.0 represented with the different capacity depending on the hull gun. Also it sounds from your post that your problem isn't how many saux a dracosan it can carry or how much it costs but rather the stats of the demolisher.
>>96447426Suzerains were a mistake
>>96447436Prpbably the Keys of Hel. IH haf tech to resurrect dead astartes using cybernetics, but their personalitiies were dampened, much more automaton like. And with each rez it got worse, and of course the marines were in massive pain throughout. Ferrus banned the technology but after his Chemosian haircut the remaining Iron Fatjers wen't fuck it and opened the warcrime vaults
Legions Imperalis. cause this seems to be the only place to talk about it.tiny tiny infantry...cause evidently I'm a freaking masochist. Plasma, Missile and Termies. And I still have 17 more stands of Tacticals to do.
>Iron Hands with Feral Warrior/Unending Horde Militia allies to choke enemy guns while the robo-marines close inBased or retarded?
>>96447343It's not being anti tank, it's being pro realism. It's a wargame, not a vidya game
>>9644746910/10, would let my morragul ligma stuff drop a moon on these.
>>96447436It’s the Keys of Hel. Like the other anon said, the IH have tech that basically turns a fallen marine into a cybernetic zombie, but it hollows out the marine’s personality in the process.
>>96447472Based, but grab some of the cheap and cheerful rocket arty and field guns while you're at it, they're fun and Immortals are already incredible frontline so you don't really need any better infantry than the cheap meat. Infiltrate (18) instead of Unending Horde is also fun.
>>96447469Are the moulds as bad as the macros suggest?
I don't know why people compare Kurze to Batman, his story with Vulkan is more Joker shit.
>>96447550Kurze is RAPEMAN.
>>96447462>>96447507Ah nice, this sounds familiar somewhere in the back of my mind. Might have already read about it in my first attempt at reading HH, but now that I'm reading them in "actual" chronological order this short story precedes whichever book I might have read in it at that time.Thank you anons.
>>96447322>>96447426Eh he's okay. +35 pts over a similarly equipped Praetor for infiltrate I guess, plus that hammer trick of his.>Vehicles can drive through infantry>But they cannot park on top of themLmao
finally got around to working on my EC project again
Do you think chaos warrior shields would work for storm shields on word bearers indomitus? Tempted to replace the combi bolters on my unit (6) with them for the shieldwall
>>96446708Imperator aesthetics are fine but the thighs and arms shouldn't be flimsy bare pistons like that anymore
>>96447696Looks great anon, love how you do your armour
Why do you fags insist I should read the HH black library novels when they're absolute dogshit?
>>96447909I never told you to do that
>>96447909?
>>96447909Who even dares suggest this
I like putting rust and oil streaks on my vehicles because I the implication that they've been deployed for a while and the match we're playing is an engagement deep into that deployment.
>>96446807Dies Irae apparently fought without a cathedral.Making it a manlet Imperator. Very appropriate for Legio BORE-tis.
>>96447909I don't suggest anyone read any warhammer lore beyond unit descriptions.
>>96447988The BFG ship flavor texts are still some of the best lore written.
>>96447472that is why the IW were hated by Mortals
Anyone have any suggestions for cool stuff to take with Coils of the Hydra? Leaning toward AL since I like Grave Wardens but also want to run(steal) other stuff and AL isn't a nightmare for me to paint.
What’s up /tg/? Need some input from anyone that feels like it. I’m a wargaming noob who played 40k off and on many years ago, orks in 4th edition iircLong story short, a friend who has invested a lot of time and many thousands in the hobby is trying to get me onboard the new HH edition that just dropped. I think it could be a fun way to spend time with him and as good a reason as any to go out and meet people, but I’m way out of the loop, and don’t know much about factions, rules, lore, player culture, etc. It feels like a lot to digest for a green player, so maybe share some of your experience and wisdom with me?>What’s a good source to start learning the lore and timeline? And maybe figure out which factions appeal to me? Any “required” reading?>What are good armies for inexperienced / kinda retarded players, easy to understand and play? And maybe, not too expensive? Might be asking too much there>What are some bad player habits that might not be obvious to outsiders? Cardinal player sins and such? i.e how can I not be annoying or off putting to long established members of the hobby?Or just advice you would give a friend who you want to get into it. Feels like I need a semester at a community college to be caught up. Any advice is appreciated.
>>96447634The hammer trick is cool but mostly a downgrade, I think. Standard AL Praetor can already use their god tier gambit to lock the enemy down to I1 and then beat them mercilessly with a normal thunder hammer.Power-wise Dynat is about a 6-7/10, I have lists that use him, I have lists that don't use him, but his infiltrate trick is the kind of army-supporting buff that really isn't on that many characters any longer, so it's good to have him as an option. Went through the books on a whim, the characters that have any kind of squad-support rules are Ventanus, Sedras, Qin Xa, Pollux, Lotara, Abbadon, Maloghurst and Dynat, that's it, and half of those are pretty puny. Ventanus is really handy, though.
>>96448031Hi anon.>LoreRead the Black Books here https://gofile.io/d/huUWLK.>Starter armiesSince you're new, the Saturnine box is a good starting point. It gives you 40 tactical bodies, 6 of the new terminators, the terminator praetor and the power armor centurion, then an emplacement. The emplacement is decent for starting out, as are the terminators.You'll want to find a legion that resonates with you, and start looking into getting some special weapons and heavy weapons to turn some of those tacticals into support squads.>Bad habitsWe like to see Heresy as a semi-historical game, so it's encouraged to run units that are thematic for your legion over what's currently Strong. For example, running a lot of flamers with Salamanders, a lot of heavy bolters with Imperial Fists, etc, over running multiple Kratos tanks.
>>96448031>What’s a good source to start learning the lore and timeline? And maybe figure out which factions appeal to me? Any “required” reading?black books are a good start but theres a lot to digest there. Luckily theres also plenty of warhammerslop youtubers that regurgitate the 40k wiki >What are good armies for inexperienced / kinda retarded players, easy to understand and play?marines because they're everywhere and you can recast them for cheap or custodes since you only need like 20 infantry guys and some vehicles. There also several gaming youtube channels that give a detailed breakdown on how each legion plays the game but that will also depend on what edition your doing >What are some bad player habits that might not be obvious to outsiders?just dont be lazy when it comes to modeling/painting and keep your army relatively close to the lore. Most Heresy players aren't meta chasers either so dont go in expecting the typical 40k power game standard>>96447903thanks its greenstuff worlds Persian violet with a matt varnish
>>96448031Seconding the other anon on the Black Books. The last couple fall off a bit, but the first few are some of the best campaign books. Read the lore sections of the first one or two for the vibe and some highly important battles, then the others if you're enjoying it or want to learn more about the particular Legions in them. BB1 Betrayal and BB2 Massacre are some of the best campaign books ever written in my opinion.
>>96448088>Dark metallic purple ECKino.
>>96447709Tbqh use the discontinued stormcast liberators shields
New to the hobby and making some scars, I've got resin topknots I'm gonna stick on some of the lads but they're plastic kits so plastic glue aint going to cut it, should I just super glue them on or attach them via green stuff AND super glue?
Where the actual heck are the MK2 assault marines and the plastic breachers?
>>96447980>atheist faction: cathedrals>god worshiping faction: no cathedralsBL is a big fat mess.
>>96448067Wow, thanks for the link bro! I’ll check these out. I’m actually relieved to hear that HH had a more emphasis on thematically appropriate battles and not just dick-kicking meta lists. That sounds like more fun, and will hopefully ward off meta players who are only focused on W/L ratios>>96448088I try to avoid youtubers in general and wikitubers in particular. Any recommendations on good channels? Also, I don’t have a lot of modeling experience, but my friend has thousands of hours experience with paint and green stuff. I’m sure he’ll guide me well, and I’ll do my best to give opponents something cool to look at. Thanks mate.>>96448098Black Books seem to be the consensus and now I have two to focus on. Much appreciated anon
Will the resident homosexual of the thread please identify themselves?
>>96448031>What’s a good source to start learning the lore and timeline? And maybe figure out which factions appeal to me?The lore section in the HH2 and HH3 rulebooks is a good brief summary of the setting and main events/factions up to the Siege of Terra (the final campaign). It's the only thing you need to play the game, really.Then the traditional advice is to read the first BL HH series books, from Horus Rising to Fulgrim/The Flight of the Eisenstein. They're pulpy but essential to get the mood of the setting as a prequel to 40k. Then get a reading guide and focus on books of the factions you like until the lineal Siege of Terra series. Some are shit, others are great, you'll need to make up your own mind.Other anons recommend the HH1 Black Books, which are great high effort products and also mandatory, but you need to be aware of the following that anons here will not tell you:1.they low-key assume you've read the BL books they're based on2.they're incomplete, they only cover the start of the war. Besides the initial Issvan trilogy, the rest focus mostly in events outside the main BL books narrative.3.they also have accuracy/retcon issues. Made up units, factions in battles they never were in the original BL books, etc. If you need any books, just ask.
>>96448040Any highlights of Dynat's infiltrate? Idk what to bring with him lol>Hammer trickAww rip. Would've been nice for it to cause one hammer attack for every successful sword hit during duels
>>96448031There's also lexicanum dot com if you wanna quickly read up on the lore of any warhammer subject.
>>96448278>I’m actually relieved to hear that HH had a more emphasis on thematically appropriate battles and not just dick-kicking meta lists.Don't be fooled. Everybody from anons here and GW themselves will tell you that the HH is more narrative game, but in reality the people playing can be just as WAAC as in 40k despite some house rules becoming common to reign on it (like 1 dread per 1k points in HH2)
>>96448319It is somewhat less prevalent, depending on the local group of course. There's enough people that post huge, impressively painted armies and "bad" units to prove that HH has less meta chasers than 40k.
>>96447430Pls respond
>>96448296So much of AL already has infiltrate that sometimes you straight up don't need him, but he's good for melee praetorians, and you can make a reasonable case for shooty squads that like being set up ahead of time in a good midfield position. HSS, TSS, vet tacs with special weapons.Rewards of Treason or allies opens this up a good amount: my good idea is Ultramarines Suzerains, my silly idea that I need to test against a proper rhino rush is the levies here >>96447426.Mech has a few units that don't mind a forward position either, but the only non-Bulky ones are the Arcuitor Magisterium (Sigismund-tier duelist for a much lower price, add Paragon of Battle and attach to a Dynat melee squad like Suzerains or Vet Breachers to go hunt praetors) and Scyllax (don't neatly fit in allied detachments, you can do better with your own melee elites).
>>96448396What about infiltrating a squad of DA interemptors? Nothing is gonna want to charge into that.
>>96448396You can't use Guide on the Arcuitor when they're mixed with Marines, so an allied one is less scary, but you can detach them from the squad before the shooting/charging so they can self-buff if necessary, and a paragon/hammer Arc without Guide is still going to flatten all but the very best SM duelists because the main use of Guide is going from WS7 to WS8 so that people like Siggy hit you on 5s.>>96448425Would be an amazing pick if they weren't Bitter Duty, but Dynat can't join them since they are. Same for most Destroyer-type units.
>>96448450Ugh forgot about bitter duty, of course. Guess I'm gonna stuff them in a drop pod then.
I'm buying another 6 saturnine terminators
>>96448471Any particular reason?I'm still waiting on the saturnine command squad rules. Squads of 3 with either gun seem good enough already.
>>96448471I admire your decisiveness. I can’t even pick a legion despite having almost 100 infantry.
>>96447430I like it anon, I would have included a artillery's tercio for the indirect fire instead of the stormhammer but that is a fluffy list. Go forth and make those marines pay!
