>>96453156
Only being repelled by faith in the holy symbol always felt the best for gameplay
>players cant just grab the nearest crucifix and get instant protection
>players who only know about horror tropes will get the "holy crap" moment where a vampire tells them they need to believe in it for it to work
>but someone who decided to be a priest is suddenly useful

>vampires must count all the rice

>>96453174
It also results in funny moments like that Doctor Who scene where a Soviet soldier repels vampires using his belief in communism.

>>96453178
>cleric in a classless system
So that's where its from.

'belief in anything' is just gay (figuratively) and occasionally also jewish occultism.

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>>96453175
>>vampires must count all the eggs

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>>96453206
Ghost Hunt had pretty decent take on it, where restless spirits are vulnerable to religion they believed in when they lived, but nobody knows what happens to spirits once they have been exorcised. Everyone knowing that they got to deal wit those spirits nevertheless and be pragmatic about it is a passable justification for having a multi-faith paranormal investigator squad.

>>96453156
Vampires are weak to confidence. It explains why they do horror-movie monster shit; slowly stalking prey, big shows of force, evidence of their passing. They need to terrorize their victim to approach them reliably. The cross seems to repel them because the cross gives the user confidence in dealing with the vampire. Other religious symbols could work, same as just walking at the stupid thing with the intent to beat the shit out of it.
The same sense for confidence also gives them a supernatural sense for the weak minded or awkward who could be bent for their ends.

>>96453156
Stoker's Dracula did not really differentiate what are Dracula's powers and weaknesses because he is a vampire, and what are his powers and weaknesses because he is a Satanic sorcerer. Popular culture just took it all as vampire traits.

>>96453156
Depends on the game/setting. I tend to go for "vampires are weak to things that are holy." That doesn't mean any object of religious iconography, it means objects that are either blessed or are religiously significant in some other faction. Any random cross necklace will not do you much good.

>>96453156
The cross weakness thing has always been gay. I just like them to have a low UV tolerance.

>>96453242
I like that as a way to really nail down the fact they are parasites but also know that's difficult in an rpg

>>96453156
>Vampires are repelled by perpendicular lines, which crosses happen to look like
Hate.

The best is that vampires are weak to crosses held by people who have faith in Jesus, because western vampires and their weakness to crosses emerged as a reversal of Jesus - where Jesus came as a low class man who gives his blood to drink to give them eternal holy divine life, and vampires are aristocrats who drain the life of those to sustain his unholy undead life.

Vampires being weak to any holy symbol is less good, since vampires aren't a symbolic polar opposite to anyone but Jesus, but still somewhat pays homage to the origin of the trope.

Vampires being weak to nothing is fine if all you want is a monster of the week to shoot with a shotgun.

Vampires being repelled by right angles because of evolutionary mumbo jumbo is the stupidest rick and morty nonsense that only a professional illiterate could come up with.

>>96453156
Vampires just dislike having things shoved in their faces.

>>96453156
>Which is best:

The stronger and older a Vampire gets the more weaknesses they should accrue to just stupid nonsensical obscure folklore rules like: >>96453175
A young vampire is maybe only allergic to garlic and mildly irritated by the sun, but later in unlife they: can't cross running water, can't enter houses uninvited, have to count small grains if dropped (rice isn't too bad, but millet is what fucking gets them), lose their reflection, and have to sleep either buried in the ground or in a casket with a little soil innit.

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>>96453156
I stick to tradition. They are weak to Holy symbols through and through. Anything short feels wrong. Only exception is if the vampire repents.

>>96453348
That's a good take, I'm changing my opinion. The linea thing made sense in the story, though. Blind sight was cool, if not a bit contrived and SCIENTASTIC.

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>>96453156
>Which is best
The one where it's all in their heads and is based on self-loath and the level of pop-culture and folklore they knew before being turned. Including having a capacity to figure out that it is only in their heads.
Oh, and garlic works always and for real, but it's pure biochemical reaction. They would probably run away from antibiotics if they could only smell them, too.

>>96453156
Vampires are weak to blessed crosses, not every cross

>>96453595
... so they are weak to each and every rosary, since each and every one of them that someone owns is blessed?

>>96453242
I usually like the 'true faith is what really harms them' thing (even as an atheist, it's neat), but this is really cool too (it sounds like an explanation you'd get from Discworld). That they're driven off by willpower or fearlessness and a symbol of religion is just what most people would use in the sorts of settings theyd be around. Vampires are usually shown as somewhat psychic, so it'd make sense there'd be this natural revulsion. It also makes them a bit bestial or inhuman which I like.

It's always fun taking a well known or cliche monster trope but then coming up with a new reason why it's a thing to breath some life into it. I was reading some royalroad isekai slop the other day which basically had vampires as the natural enemy of illusionists of all things. Illusionists used to be so feared that until another countermeasure was invented most courts would have a court vampire as a countermeasure. Because vampires naturally absorb light to fuel their powers and so eat illusions and make rooms darker just by being in them.
The sunlight weakness isn't because they are inherently harmed by sunlight: it's because they have to turn off their light absorbing power while in sunlight or they will overload and burn up.

I thought that was an interesting idea since burning in sunlight is one of the more awkward vampire weaknesses to explain. And it matches to the original Dracula the guy was only weakened by sunlight too.

>>96453156
I like 1, 2, and 4 but only in specific settings of Earth-like worlds, non-Christian fantasy, and sci-fi respectively.

>>96453348
>a professional illiterate

Based take

>>96453599
In case that every rosary is blessed by a priest, deacon or monk, yes. They feel the sanctified energy emanating from the rosary, which disgusts and repels them (like the most stinking and vomit-inducing smell).
And it burns them if they touch it.

Vampires are spiritually and biologically diseased, so anything that harms germs harms vampires: sunlight, silver, fire, garlic, bleach, hydrogen peroxide, and so on.

>>96453174
>Only being repelled by faith in the holy symbol always felt the best for gameplay
This is what I prefer, too. I don't play WoD, but I did steal this from VTMB1.
There is a part in that game when you encounter some random chink doing the "van helsing experiment" trying to establish kindred weaknessess, and him fearfully holding a cross did nothing.
However, there is also a different dude that you fight, an extremeley zealous catholic which can blind and disorient the PC by brandishing a crucifix.

>>96453862
Getting flashed by old deranged catholic would make anyone seize up in fear and confusion, it's not specifically a vampire thing.

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>>96453627
Every single fucking rosary that anyone ever owned is being blessed by a priest, you dumb twat. And it's impossible to get first communion as a Catholic without having a rosary on you during that event. It used to be the baptism itself, but they shifted it for first communion post Vatican 2 (which, along with removing an exorcism prayer from baptism rites, is a clear and obvious vampiric conspiracy).
Are you a prottie or something that you don't know such basic shit?

>>96453174
it's a little weak imo.
It's fine and it plays nice with writers selling things to a largely agnostic audience, as well as fictional settings where there are a ton of different physically present gods, but the reason a cross repels vampires isn't because of anything inherent to the bearer - it's because it's a symbol of the divinity and righteousness of Jesus Christ - things which are fundamentally destructive to the unnatural abominations that are vampires.

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>>96453882
NTA but it's absolutely possible to get rosaries that aren't blessed; just look online for the amount of cheap knockoffs circulating. One could make the argument that if it's not blessed it isn't a rosary but when the only way to know for certain is whether it repels a vampire that's a pretty make-or-break scenario.

>>96453156
>vampires can open doors
but cant enter without being invited first

>>96453156
>>Vampires are repelled by perpendicular lines, which crosses happen to look like

Based Blindsight enjoyer.

>>96453882
You know people can make and sell rosaries without blessing them, right? Its a cross and spheres. Easy to make, easy money. You are very naive if you think every cheap and bootleg rosary is blessed.
You are rude and ignorant. In other words: "stupid faggot thinks he will sound cool and catholic, but he is only an ignorant asshole".
Believing every rosary is blessed is dangerous, you are spreading misinformation. Obviously the vampire or heretic is you.

>>96453156
I actually really like the Rifts version: vampires are repelled by *ankhs* because that's the symbol of the multiversal gods of light, and crosses look similar enough that they trigger the same terror and pain response.

>>96453156
>Vampires are weak to crosses
Good
>Vampires are weak to any holy symbol
Good
>Vampires are not weak to holy stuff
Okay
>Vampires are repelled by perpendicular lines, which crosses happen to look like
Pants on head retarded

>>96454831
>Mom, hating Christianity is cool!
Ankh is literally a stylized cross, like the Celtic one that is circumscribed or fancy cross with the sun, moon and the stars.

>>96453296
Base it on how the players act
>So we need to ambush him with this complocated plan and if one step goes wrong our plan of retreat is...
vs
>Step aside let me solo him

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>>96453156
>Vampires are weak to any holy symbol

>>96453348
Sensible and rational.

>>96454879
>my made-up bullshit is better than other peoples' made-up bullshit!

Grow up.

>>96453156
>>Vampires are weak to crosses
Eh
>>Vampires are weak to any holy symbol
Sure
>>Vampires are not weak to holy stuff
Sure
>>Vampires are repelled by perpendicular lines, which crosses happen to look like
Sure

The first one only makes sense in within the trappings of 18th and 19th century gothic romance/horror. It always annoys me when a setting with otherwise-modern sensibilities imposes "one secret trick doctors don't want you to know about" as an anachronism. If you pull that one piece out by itself it's usually pretty bad. Now, you can also set your game in a crumbling gothic manor or small eastern european village. Do that and I like it better. But pulling out just crosses when all the other shit is cell phones and teslas? I'm not a huge fan because it misses the rest of the symbolism that puts that symbol in its place.

But generally: do whatever the hell you want with your vampires. Anything can be cool if you do it well.

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>>96454929
Say something bad about muzzies and kikes to prove you're not a jeet.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDWR5RkWRTY
I don't think a vampire should be deterred by a bog standard holy symbol, unless you're using it as a weapon or something. It's just too easy. It would have to be special in some way.

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>>96454763
>Here, let me keep ignoring everything that's in your posts and deliberately miss the point while claiming things nobody said, now feed me (You)s
Fuck off

>>96453989
And you need to work on your reading comprehension

>>96454966
>I don't think a vampire should be deterred by a bog standard holy symbol.
Have you seen how crucifixes in schools and government buildings drive leftists mad?

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>>96454954
>>96454981
>>>/pol/

>>96454979
Vampire is mad because we know he is a dumb spawn of Lucifer

For it to be a good vampire weakness it needs to be symbolically rich with meaning. Sunlight is good because the sun is the lifegiver, wrathful, mighty, purifying, heat and light, contrary to the life stealer, shifty and craven, impure, cold and darkness. Running water, constant change and purity, contrary to eternally stagnant unlife. The cross was covered by >>96453348 already. Silver is acceptable as a general "anti evil" because being a noble metal, the purity, reflectivity, but is feminine and too moon-associated so probably should be sparing with this, you could frame it as an association with guilt of Judas perhaps and work something in like that. A stake of holly is quite good, the closeness to "holy" is significant, looks like the crown of thorns a bit and a splash of blood with the leaves and berries, and the druids also liked the wood for similarly symbolic meanings, but really the staking part is the important bit since it is a "binding" in both a physical and metaphorical sense rather than just "killing".

>>96455018
>Silver is.. feminine... so probably should be sparing with this
Anon did you forget to take your meds this morning?

What a load of crap. Symbolism isn't something you "find." It's something you build. Otherwise it's not a symbol--it's a cliche.

>>96454891

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>>96455033
>Symbolism isn't something you "find." It's something you build
Imagine being such a degenerate modern that you actually believe this.

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>>96455012
Let me walk you through this, you dumb twat
1) In Catholicism, to get past first communion, a child (or an adult convert) has to have a rosary on them
2) This is doctrinally their first and last rosary, the one they are going to own for the rest of their life
3) This rosary is being blessed during the whole rite, along with the prayer book and a cross/holy medal they are wearing on them
4) This means every Catholic owns a blessed rosary
5) Catholics are the only Christian denomination that put any actual care or importance to rosary, so whichever prottie sect is also using rosary is absolute minority and thus no point even mentioning them
6) All of this is a common, basic (bare fucking basic) knowledge to anyone who is Catholic or was even raised one and stayed in the Church till the age of 10.

So either you are a prottie that's completely fucking clueless about the most basic catholic stuff or you are deliberately acting like a moron. Either way, you're an idiot, the reason doesn't really matter

>>96453348
Interesting takes, however please note that:

1. For the better part of history, superstitions about vampirism not only had no exclusive ties to aristocracy/ nobility, but were more present in the beliefs of common folk. Some superstitions originated from Christian lore, some were warped by it.

2. The origin of modern image of vampiric aristocrat comes from John Polidori's The Vampyre and basically parodies Lord Byron's persona, with whom (and Shellys) Polidori held a horror story contest. Could be seething, could be admiration, could be plagiarism or whatever. We don't know that.

>>96455018

>you could frame it as an association with guilt of Judas perhaps

Now you're cooking. Tie it in with the rice-counting/chickpea-counting trope and you could have the vampire forced to count silver coins while it has forced flashbacks of the betrayals the vampire regrets(like drinking his family's blood).

>>96455033

>Symbolism isn't something you "find."

The ubermensch, creating meaning for himself, decides to build the meaning that to be below something is to be superior to something. So, the ubermensch sat in a recessed throne, below all of his peons.

However, one day, the laws of physics, gravity, and spite all whispered into the inferior's ears, and they remembered they could all spit.

>>96455042
>>96455077
You guys just finish your klan meeting or something? Jesus you're tiresome.

>>96455042
>Serf was more free, because he just was, ok?
Open a dictionary and check what's the root of word "serf", you absolute fucking moron

>>96455033
Would you say you resent or merely disdain the field of semiotics?

>>96455049

NTA, am Orthodox, consider the following:

Most people of any religion are shit at being members of their religion. Ergo, most Catholics are shit at being Catholics, regardless of the standard dogmatic requirements.

The dogmatic requirements and standards are there, and are standards that ideally should be followed and in traditionally pious families/actually traditional communities are actually followed, but actually consistently meeting them en masse is simply not happening, especially as modernism encroaches and overtakes piety with worldliness.

Case in point: We're literally posting on 4chan. We're both shit at being members of our religions.

>>96453156
>>Vampires are weak to any holy symbol
>>Vampires are not weak to holy stuff
I like these.
But I like to view it as where young/not powerful vampires are repelled by holy stuff.
But when the vampire is old enough/powerful enough then holy symbols don't really bother them, mild discomfort maybe but they don't ultimately care.

the best is establishing a guideline before the campaign starts and being consistent with it throughout the entire game to the campaign's resolution

>>96455049
>Rosary breaks or get lost
>"oh no, i lost my rosary. I need a new one."
>scumbag seller appears
>"hey, you want to buy a rosary?"
>"it is blessed?"
>"of course (its not, was 3d printed 1 hour ago)"
>not all rosaries are blessed, not every cross is blessed.

Its not that hard anon. Stop being such an imbecile.

>>96453156
>Vampires are repelled by perpendicular lines, which crosses happen to look like
This literally only works in Blindsight. It's utter shit in all other settings where it pops up

>>96455096
Someone in solitary confinement, or supermax, or whatever is a prisoner just like someone under house arrest with an ankle monitor on. There are degrees to slavery, it's not a binary. Whether a serf is more or less of a slave than a debt slave of the 21st century is up to debate, but the means of control of the 21st century slaver are obviously more sophisticated and far-reaching. Even a cursory study of work (labor for others) across history can show the ebb and flow of workers rights.

>>96455042
That image is retarded.
Peasants worked as long as the sun was up because that's how labour intensive farming was.
I'm going to be generous and assume those 20 hours count only labour provided to their feudal lord IN ADDITION to working all day long on his own land.

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>>96455042
>feudal serf
>owned his own land

>>96455042
What kindbof retarded fuck made that image? They know what a serf was? Work 20 hours a week? Owns land??

>>96455108
>But I like to view it as where young/not powerful vampires are repelled by holy stuff.
>But when the vampire is old enough/powerful enough then holy symbols don't really bother them, mild discomfort maybe but they don't ultimately care.
Opposite would make more sense. Fresh vampire is a human with chronic health condition, he might be repelled by a sign of the cross just like half the faggots in this thread are but not to the point of being paralyzed.

And old vampire is an inhuman abomination and reminder of God's power and mercy, and his own almost-assured damnation (this is actually a contradiction to the established doctrine, but there are not many repentant vampires) just send him into a state of utter terror.

>>96453242
>same as just walking at the stupid thing with the intent to beat the shit out of it.
"Hoh, you're approaching me?"
"I can't beat the shit out of you if I don't get closer."

>>96455153
I prefer my idea.

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>>96455049
>This is doctrinally their first and last rosary, the one they are going to own for the rest of their life
bullshit
maybe in your lokal folklore blend of Catholicism from podlasie, but there's nothing about it in Catechism of the Catholic Church or any other source of doctrine

>>96455042
Failure to understand what corvee was, the image.

>>96455177
>I prefer my idea.
It is because you hate sign of the Cross and what it stands for. It's not some kind of 'energy field' which compares numbers with the vampire's 'edginess field'.

>>96453884
the knowledge that it's a symbol is inherent to the bearer, otherwise it's just two sticks
you can of course rule that God put a divine trademark on crosses everywhere and their holiness is now an inherent property of the universe regardless of observers, but that actually sounds more lame than a priest believing in it

>>96454995
>>>/lgbt/
>>>/out/
>>>/hell/

Someone please post the webm with the Jewish vampire and nazi swastika.

>>96455049
You're either LARPing so hard you lost the plot or you converted late in your life and got into some secluded catholic community that brainwashed you hard. I was born and raised catholic, come from a country with 70% population of catholics and NOBODY gives a shit about their first communion rosary, and if they do the chance of having them at hand at any time is madly thin. Also, the slop devotional articles business is booming in every little town tied even remotely to something historically important from a catholic point of view and there's tons upon tones of cheap, mass-produced Chinese merch, rosaries, figurines, pictures, flasks, whatever you like. You must be deranged to think these articles came anywhere close to holy water or a priest.

>>96455240
>you can of course rule that God put a divine trademark on crosses everywhere
What repels the hypothetical vampire is the fist of God Almighty himself
>a priest believing in it
Power comes from priest's own will, making him some kind of a pseudo-psychic

Doesn't take a genius to figure out which is metal and which is gay.

>>96455110
Best answer in the thread.

>>96453178
Don't forget the lolbert who brandishes his credit card and repels a vampire attack through his unflinching devotion to the Free Market™.

>>96455265

Consider that the power of the Almighty God flows first and foremost through His flesh and blood in holy communion, and so a pious believer, including priests, are the strongest conduits for the fist of the Almighty God. It's not necessarily about the faith itself, but the synergy of the faith with the cosmic throughline from their human nature -> Christ's new human nature -> The Eternal God.

That's not to say that there can't be holy/miracle working crosses that are holy by themselves, but they are typically made special note of.

>>96453884
it is more consistent with actual catholic beliefs
catholic stance is that religious symbols dont have power by themselves, to believe so would be to risk idolatry, a crucifix is just a wooden cross
catholic symbols have meaning because of your faith

and of course, having random people unable to use crosses to their full extent only for the pure hearted to actually burn a vampire with it is cool to show

>>96455229
>it's because [random bullshit I came up with]
No.

>>96455049
Anon thinks every Made in China/India, 3d printed, god forsaken market, bootleg religious object is blessed and not a cheap way to make money using the beliefs of others.
In your ignorance, pride and wrath, you are a servant of Lucifer. Congrats, you idiotic faggot.

>>96455106
>Ergo, most Catholics are shit at being Catholics, regardless of the standard dogmatic requirements
Doesn't change the fact that a child age 9 or 10 (depending on which year is it) is given a blessed rosary.
And that's what my original post was about.

>>96455112
>>96455261
>>96455326
>t. clueless faggot multiposting to appear even dumber than he already is

>>96454954
Kikes and mudshits are vermin, and your god and scripture are jewish.

>>96455285
Well, an inanimate crucifix cannot beseech God for intervention in prayer, so, you're absolutely correct. My point is that power that checks the unholy in this scenario comes not from the believer, but from God. And we have a biblical evidence (Acts 19:13 thorugh 16) that mere symbols of faith invoked by a hypocritical believer are not enough. But even hypocrites are capable of genuine prayer.

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>>96455191
Sorry, missed you when replying:
KKK, 1674 and 1675
And first communion rites have it explicit to bless a rosary, either before or after the mass (usually is done before)

>>96455341
>Kikes and mudshits are vermin
Checks out
>God is Jewish
God is transcendent and has no attributes. Jewishness is an attribute. Therefore, God is not Jewish.
>Scripture is Jewish
Only half of it.

>>96455402
>muh gawd is transcendent blah blah blah
Your god is jewish.


>Only half of it.
What was Saint Paul's actual name again?

>>96455337
Im neither of those 4 anons (and you missed this one too >>96455191
), but they owned you

>>96455455
>Your god is jewish.
Please, provide me with your understanding of God and how concept of earthly lineage might apply to Him.
>What was Saint Paul's actual name again?
Saul of Tarsus (Syria). He still wrote in Greek, addressed to non-Jews, and New Testament represents a significant break with Judaism. By the time Nicene Creed was adopted, vast majority of Christians had no relation to Jews or Judaism. "Jewish Christianity" is an oxymoron since modern Judaism is more less defined by its' opposition to Christianity (and, to a lesser extent, Islam - piss be upon Mohammed).

There's a mention in Hellsing that anti-vampire bullets are made from melted-down silver crosses that were blessed by an ordained priest beforehand. What about other religions? Shinto priests bonking vampires with staves covered in ofuda? Hofgothi etching runes into their bullets? I'm speaking from a very cursory understanding of course, so if anyone is better informed feel free to correct me.

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>>96453156
>>96453174
>5 dots in True Faith
https://youtu.be/JeTKw_RD4QU

>>96455515
>Shinto priests bonking vampires with staves covered in ofuda
paper talismans are already a generic anti-evil weapon in shonen anime

>>96455377
not sure why you referenced passages about folklore religiousness
nothing in KKK or in first communion rites says it's
>doctrinally their first and last rosary, the one they are going to own for the rest of their life
I'm also not sure why you even started to argue about that
god bless you anon

>>96453156
Most vampire weaknesses that people know of are made up and popularized by vampires because they don't want you to know what their real weaknesses are.
Vampires can survive in daylight just fine, they are just weaker, but they popularized the idea that vampires burn to death in sunlight to give themselves an easy way to 'prove' that they are not a vampire. "It's mid afternoon and I'm fine. Nice day out. See, can't be a vampire."

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>>96455594
This is homosexual modernism. Need to be subverise for the sake of being subversive. It's not funny, it is shit.

Vampires getting repelled by strong faith in random stuff like in VtM is cringy Josh Whedon-writing shit and I'm tired of pretending it isn't
No, the vampire patriarch isn't terrified of your absolute belief in Sonichu or trans rights or the free market.

>>96455147
Feudal serf was considered as much an owner of the land he worked on as the noble was of the land he lent to the serf.
In both cases the land belonged to the top liege.

>>96453156
How about holy symbols the vampire believes in? Some interpretations of Dracula depict him as religious like his historical namesake.

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>>96453213
31,357.

>>96455623
It's not about being subversive, its about treating the vampires like intelligent beings with human level intelligence rather than passive npc stat blocks to fight.
Anything with hard-counter weaknesses like a vampire would ABSOLUTELY do everything in their power to hide what their true weaknesses are and put out misinformation. They would have to be stupid not to. However, you cannot make players forget their OOC knowledge and engage with the obvious in-character lie, all you can do is make their OOC knowledge itself the lie and force them to engage with the premise of figuring out what a vampire's "real" weaknesses are in-game to regain the advantage they thought they already had.

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>>96455623
>COPTИP
Don't you think it is a little bit ironic for an orc to complain about "subversive people" since subverting others is all they do for all the time?

>>96453156
>Vampires are weak only to genuine, deep faith of a non-evil religion. Casually religious people can't repel them even with a bandoleer of holy symbols, but a truly holy person can ward a vampire away with just their presence.

>>96455858
Dresden files fucking sucks, I really dont recommend anyone read it, but there's a bit in it about how there are multiple different kinds of vampires (the social fey white vampires, the berserker blood addict red vampires, the undead black vampires etc.). It states that the book dracula was specifically written as a hit piece on the black vampires to out all their weaknesses and now they're almost all extinct. That's a pretty funny idea and the sort of thing you'd actually expect in an urban fantasy.

>>96455624
>Josh Whedon
>Josh
holy shit LMFAO

>>96455858

>Anything with hard-counter weaknesses like a vampire would ABSOLUTELY do everything in their power to hide what their true weaknesses are and put out misinformation.

This point would also be consistent with vampires being weak to the crucifix + faith. They could just start using all that vampire cash to fund efforts to suppress/subvert/discredit Christianity, by spreading anti-religious messaging and moral degeneracy in pop culture, and promoting the idea that you are a Smart Person if you disbelieve in stupid folklore superstitions like vampires or God.

An intelligent being with human level intelligence is perfectly consistent with having glaring, huge, extremely exploitable weaknesses.

Heck, if you really wanted to run a game about this, you could either have the PCs try to look for an actually holy person (hard, because the vampire is hiring hitmen to wack the holy person), or for any of the PCs to try and truly have faith in God, which would in turn lead to plot hooks where the PC is attempting to shed certain things/vices preventing their full faith in God, since faith isn't just believing that God exists, because being faithful to someone is way more than just believing they exist.

>>96455112
Speaking as a Lutheran, if any sect is going to have the infrastructure in place to keep blessed rosaries on call in case one gets lost, damaged or stolen and take legal action against bootlegging, it's gonna be the papacy.

>>96456263
> Faith and the crucifix works on vampires
> but only if you are catholic
> Protestant religions don't count... except for the Lutherans. For some reason it still works for them, but not any of the other groups.

Still very upsetting for the groups of people that get what is apparent confirmation that they picked the 'wrong religion'.

>>96456312
>>96456319
Lutherans-mind

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>>96455515
>Ok goy, take these shells, take the ballbarings out and replace them with summa dis
>If they get wounded, it's a vampire, if they yell and shout and holler abiut stinging, human, if it heals them.. well we'll worry about that later..

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>>96455515
You ever wonder why you never hear about vampire attacks in Japan? Its because Shinto doesn't fuck around. The local yokai can tell vampires from humans at a glance, and lots of yokai *hate* vampires. But the Shinto priests there have stuff for fighting things a lot scarier than vampires, and its best not to end up in their crosshairs.

Vampires have tried to make footholds in Japan before. It rarely works out for the vampires.

>>96453156
Hot take, but early vampire concepts basically presuppose that Christianity is the only legitimate religion. Back then it was Christianity, Agnostisism, or Atheism. Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, whatever the fuck, it would all seem borderline nonsensical to even consider a sane, non-retarded human would believe in that shit.
Modern morals have changed, and maybe vampires have changed too.
BUT, if you want them to be repelled by holy objects, you have to just fucking pick a religion to be correct in your setting. Because faggy bullshit about how everything is equally legit is just narcissistic and stupid.
The reason they're supposed to be repelled is the authority of God and Jesus. You start introducing concepts like "It's actually faith itself!" and it's just whacky psychic bullshit.
Either make Christianity fucking real, or don't use the concept, for fuck's sake. It doesn't make sense otherwise. What if my religion is masturbating and I have plenty of faith in that, would that repel vampires? Fucking why? Consensus reality mental magic, IE, idiot postmodern bullshit? Why the fuck would a vampire by repelled by postmodern retardation?
Yes, I have this problem with World of Darkness. Shit is just stupid garbage for redditors, fight me.
t. Agnostic, leaning Atheist.

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>>96456623
> Vampire: "Okay, new country and a new start. Things will be better here, barely any christians at all in this country so they shouldn't have any way to deal with a Vampire."
> Shinto priest: "Lol get Rocked loser"
> Vampire: "Wait, wha-"

>>96456745
>BUT, if you want them to be repelled by holy objects, you have to just fucking pick a religion to be correct in your setting.
you don't actually if you are a blanket theist. A lot of modern monotheistic thought is all based in greco-roman philosophy and so all have a mutual connection there so you can basically have any monotheistic religion in your setting tap into the power of the one true god. One can be more right than the others but all can protect men from creatures from the night.
Buddhists are fucked though. Hindis at least think all their gods are aspects of a the singular god-head.

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>>96453242
>, same as just walking at the stupid thing with the intent to beat the shit out of it

>>96455273
Why? It doesn't actually elaborate on which guideline to use

>>96453156
I don't know why, but for a second I thought it was Linkara holding that crucifix.

>>96456867
Deciding that blanket theism is correct in your setting IS deciding on a religion to be correct in your setting, so you're literally agreeing with me.
You just want a gayer, more broad and inclusive religion to be real than anything specific. Okay, fine. Better then vampires being repelled by psychic feelings.

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In my setting good vampires are immune to crosses. Either thanks to their faith, good deeds or good behavior.

Evil vampires, along with other evil creatures like evil-men and demons are still weak to crosses. But you need a powerful belief for that to work or else you're just going to be teared apart like a pitbull snack.

>>96455147
>Me when I don't know history

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>>96456623

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE8MyNIX__o

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>>96453156

Well, Bible supports the True Fate resolution of the VtM (or at least Christian version of it) since...

"Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded."
Acts of the Apostles 19:13-16 (King James Version)

So I would assume people sanctimoniously waving crosses and cruxifices at vampires would get their asses handed to them. Like most "christians" on 4chan, for example.

Of course more lightly "all holy stuff" is supported by venerable Hammer Horror, as we can see in
https://youtu.be/NEznDXkx7R4?t=2746

But of course since vampires are fictional creatures you can make them anyway you like in your own game, don't let anyone in this thread to tell you how "real" vampires "should" work.

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>>96457075
Wrong timestamp in a video, see one minute before (45:30).

For any non-Earth setting vampiric weaknesses can be whatever you want. Probably SHOULD NOT include a cross however, unless Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour in Forgotten Realms (or whatever) as well.

>>96457031
If you take Christianity at face value, priests don't DO anything they just make sure that everyone knows how cool God is and wait for him to both create and solve every problem himself. They provide emotional support, and make requests to god on your behalf, but he isn't actually obligated to listen to them and indeed it would be blasphemy to suggest he should be.

If you take Shinto at face value, the world is full of magical bullshit around every corner and its the job of Shinto priests to make sure that humans can live their lives carefree from a neverending and constant attack by malign spirits that seek to corrupt and curse mankind to bring madness, evil, and misfortune into being.

The former is a salesman for god, the latter is a professional ghostbuster. If I was a horror movie monster, I'd be much more scared of the second guy.

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>>96457133
In Glorantha (world of the RuneQuest) Humakt is the god of Death and lord of the Death Rune wich is cross; in-world explanation is that the cross is stylised version of a sword, a tool of death. Vampires in Glorantha are afraid of all depictions of the Death Rune including crosses (and swords since those can behead them).

>>96457204
Kinda funny how I had your whole mindset dead to rights after you spoke like two sentences, lol. You're an actual steroetype caught in the wild.

>>96457256
I still have you beat, I knew your mindset before you typed a word. The meme image was all I needed.

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>>96457243
Not only a tool of death but death itself is a sword in Glorantha it was discovered by Eurmal and used to kill the first human making all of his descendants mortal by accident.
Then Orlanth used death to kill and ussurp Yelm but that fucked everything up as that allowed chaos to come in Orlanth had to quest to revive Yelm and swore to never wield death again giving it to Humakt and Yelm is bound to return to the underworld each night.

Honestly Orlanth fucked everything up for everyone.
Yelm is the rightful ruler and protector of the cosmos.

>Vampire self-immunizes by gradual exposure to garlic, silver, holy objects, and all that stuff

>>96457340
Been done. Terry Pratchett's "Carpe Jugulum".

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>>96457340
"You, of all of us, should respect the power bestowed by a limitation overcome."

>>96453241
I have forget this great anime

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>>96457340
>vampire develops masochistic streak and gets hooked up on abusing garlic, silver, holy objects, and all that stuff

I like the version where it depends on the faith of the person being attacked by the vampire that defeats it. I remember a scene from Salem's Lot where the priest tries to repel the vampire with a cross, only to have it give out and fail and the vampire taunting him by saying that if he had had enough trust in God to begin with, the cross wouldn't have even been necessary.

>>96453156
Holy symbols shouldn't work at all against master vampires if the person wielding it does not have real faith.

>>96456319

I'll take "things I never said" for 1000, Trebeck.

But what you said applies for literally any setting in which literally anything is actually canonically true. Suspending disbelief to take a narrative on its own terms is something you learn in preschool with playing pretend.

>>96457204

The second line applies to priests, especially those of more traditional denominations like Orthodox and Catholic, in places that aren't brainrotted by modern western atheist materialism. That's why priests do house blessings after the celebration of theophany, do processions in the cities/towns, bless things with holy water, etc.

>>96457380
There is more art if that character?

>>96454879
Crosses are an ancient symbol, the Christians are not unique in using them.

>>96455265
>What repels the hypothetical vampire is the fist of God Almighty himself
You mean God™ Almighty©

>>96455513
>Saul
No, it was שָׁאוּל

>>96455018
>Silver
it's because of the antimicrobial properties

>>96456448
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ-sIm-qsgE

>>96455049
Fucking literal retard consider the noose

>>96455291
>because of your faith
>only for the pure hearted
that's protestant shit (vanity), though it's better than jewish shit where you just have to be born into it. You're putting too much focus on the person being special, whereas with catholicism the point is nobody is special - everyone's shit and a sinner.
In reaching for the cross in their time of need that is a tacit submission to God and a plea to his mercy, regardless of whoever that person was before. Even the person returning to sin after the fact isn't a barrier to that (frankly it's expected).

>>96455515
Where I see shintoism sorta overlap with vampires (aside from touhou of course, but let's ignore that) is the general central tenent of the separation of the divine or pure, mundane, and profane into their own specific spaces. And that lines up with a lot of the traditional "anti-vampire tech" out there, if not all of them. Stuff like being unable to cross running water, having to be invited into homes, even garlic as a ward - it's very easy to find parallels with that and Shinto traditions such as Shimenawa or Ofuda (or even like setsuban if you want to stretch it). So in that hypothetical, I think that if you are running with the premise that shintoism affects vampires at all, warding and sealing are definitely within their wheelhouse.
Killing Vampires however? Less so. That's more within the realm of what gods would potentially do themselves than anything a priest or priestess would be doing.

>>96453882
>>96454979
>>96455049
>>96455337

You are a ultra retard who think like a third party cult lost in the ass of a tiny country with a weird name that nobody knows. Please dont post anymore

>>96457133
>Probably SHOULD NOT include a cross however, unless Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour in Forgotten Realms (or whatever) as well.

Fun fact: Nobanian is Aslan is Jesus Christ.

Ed Greenwood himself added him into Forgotten Realms in an old Dragon article and straight up called him Aslan in it.

>>96455752
>Oy, oy! You've got the wrong vampire!
https://youtu.be/goqj9oWFhMw?si=4D3qFvkrleV2ze-R