A lot of stupid fucking faggots have been posting some bullshit about how AI art is "good" and "fine for the hobby". I am here to tell you, no, you are a FAGGOT who will not pour BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS into his game. You know what AI slop is? You coveting the ability of others and compensating by using tools. You are a fool with an automatic drill acting greater than a true carpenter. Continue down your path. One day you will awaken and see yourself in a pit of disingenuous tar. An inescapable muck that you have built into your home, a fitting place for a wretch unwilling to unabashedly display their love for their fellow players in any form. Anyway, post art from your campaigns. I need to update this, but its mostly my current party. Goblin and the orc died during the end of the last dungeon.
OP is highly homosexual.
>>96453299>A lot of stupid fucking faggots have been posting some bullshit about how AI art is "good" and "fine for the hobby". I am here to tell you, no, you are a FAGGOT who will not pour BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS into his game. You know what AI slop is? You coveting the ability of others and compensating by using tools. You are a fool with an automatic drill acting greater than a true carpenter. Continue down your path. One day you will awaken and see yourself in a pit of disingenuous tar. An inescapable muck that you have built into your home, a fitting place for a wretch unwilling to unabashedly display their love for their fellow players in any form.The last artist I approached was a "non-binary vegan anarchist" who wanted $80 for slightly polished MS paint slop, and had a melty because I asked their fujo ass to draw a female character. They all deserve replacement lmao eat shit.
Artists are barely even human anyway.
>>96453299I commissioned an artist for dirt cheap and he drew some sick art of my BBEG. This was like 20 USD.
AI art is inhuman and OP is based.
>>96453399>BBEG>but smirking and rounded Yo dude they don't look evil or imposing
>>96453403Supposed to look smug as fuck so the players enjoy kicking her face in
>>96453299>You coveting the ability of others and compensating by using tools.That's kind of our whole deal as a species, that's how mankind conquered all of animal kingdom. Blades of stone and metal to compensate for our underdeveloped claws and so on.
>>96453299>OP makes a post on 4chins rather than mailing a letter to his local paper
>>96453299>AI sucksYeah
>>96453399I can fix her.
>>96453299>You coveting the ability of others and compensating by using toolsWhat is digital art for 200.
>>96453299>A lot of stupid fucking faggots have been posting some bullshit about how AI art is "good" and "fine for the hobby".It is. AI, like anything else, is a useful tool to reduce busy work.>I am here to tell you, no, you are a FAGGOT who will not pour BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS into his gameI put the effort I would spend drawing or editing the art for dozens of NPCs into making actual content for the players to engage with.>You know what AI slop is?A useful tool for NPCs that the party will probably meet once or generic enemies.>You coveting the ability of others and compensating by using tools.Humans' greatest trait is their tool use and intelligence. That's why we're the dominant species.>You are a fool with an automatic drill acting greater than a true carpenter.The automatic drill will provide me with work equal to or greater than the carpenter's work. It's more precise, faster, and allows me to focus on other parts of the job rather than wasting days screwing in every single screw by hand.And I do make art, occasionally. I'm working through drawing art for all the subspecies for my own original Modern Fantasy RPG slowly but surely. I do art comms where I draw myself. AI is just a tool to make GMing easier. Anyway, did this for a DDA 2E game I play in, me and another player 2v2'd some NPCs in a tournament (we're trying to save Angewomon, Mirei - yes THAT Mirei's - Digimon from a Cendrillmon and have to win the tourney to do it) and my digimon basically walked away with only a few scratches and dealt tons of damage to the enemy, basically walking through them.
>>96453399Tell the artist they can probably charge more. That's really good, better than my best, and I charge 30 bucks for a shaded full body comm (this was after the insistence of some people I know saying my initial rates were too low). That's easily worth 50+.
>>96455201>AI is just a tool to make GMing easierHasn't made mine any easier. Nor harder. Honestly, AI has been so utterly superfluous in the field of roleplaying games I have to wonder what the point of it is. From what I've seen, the only people who even seriously use it are people who are such lazy fucks they can't even be bothered to just steal shit themselves like people used to do for decades before, and want a computer to do it for them. And I can't even feel upset at that. I just feel pity.
>>96455169It's still reliant in part on actual artistic knowledge and skill. Maybe it's what I use (Paint Tool SAI) but I still have to draw everything myself. Mind you, I do like the stabilizer since I hold my stylus (and thus pencils/pens/other writing implements) wrong, but I'm still drawing everything myself. Using tools is what makes humanity the dominant species. Without our tools, we'd be little more than upright chimps and we never would have risen to the apex of the planet. You aren't hunting mammoths with your bare hands.Like, I've been drawing since before tablets were even common, I hated the screen-tablets we had to use during my brief stint in art school, but I've had my current one for like 12 years now and as soon as I started using it my art quality started improving drastically. Using tools is, ultimately, part of being human. We're not mindless savages, our keen intellect and tool use is what made us what we are today, and if you think that using tools = no talent or ability, suck a bag of fat cocks you braindead Luddite.
>>96455264You're lying out of your ass, or you don't know how to use the tools. Which means you're retarded. Like, genuinely mentally handicapped. Tool use is a basic human skill. It's why we're what we are.It makes it easier for a number of reasons. Need some art for a one-off NPC or low-tier mooks but don't want to spend 30 minutes editing an existing image just to get what you want or worse, 1+ hours drawing to get something presentable? Gen an image with AI. Having trouble coming up with quests to give your players but can't bounce ideas because your players are your friends (as they should be)? Write a prompt to Chat GPT, see what it spits out, and use it as a sounding board (this is different from going "HEY CHAT GPT GIVE ME QUESTS TO GIVE MY PLAYERS" and it feeds you irrelevant stuff you use wholesale btw). AI is no less a tool than a booru or google images or a fucking stylus and tablet, and to denounce it entirely is the pinnacle of foolishness. Using it as a replacement for everything however is also stupid, because it's just a tool. It requires a human hand to guide it. Like all things, extremism is a cancer and those who cling to extremes are incredibly low IQ and will inevitably be left in the past.
>>96455293>you have to use this!WhyIt's also easier to play a computer game
>>96453307>>96453340>>96453371Not arguments. Find a based artist to buy from instead of generating a woman with 8 tits
>>96455266>>96455293AI image generation is like using Bryce 3d's noise tool for generating terrain. Technically I did make it, but all I did was adjust the prompts involved. Claiming that I'm now a 3d modeller or 3d artist because a machine spat out a result for me (even though I had input) is retarded.My problem with AI-lets is them claiming that their tool somehow makes them the genuine article, rather than just a monkey cranking a lever for a banana with no concept nor understanding of the actual processes involved.
>>96455293>You're lying out of your ass, or you don't know how to use the toolsNah. Tried it a few times, just wasn't any faster than doing it the caveman way is all. I'm glad you've found uses for it, I just haven't had any luck.>Need some art for a one-off NPC or low-tier mooks but don't want to spend 30 minutes editing an existing image just to get what you want or worseNot an issue I deal with, since my players don't scrutinize where I get my art from>Having trouble coming up with quests to give your players Not an issue I deal with either since I steal from list ideas online when I'm not just listening in on things my players say they want their characters to do and just editing a few names>Like all things, extremism is a cancer and those who cling to extremes are incredibly low IQ and will inevitably be left in the past.How am I an extremist to express AI doesn't offer anything for me?
>>96455318Technology has rendered a lot of jobs obsolete over the last 200 years. Why should you pretentious faggots be exempt?
>>96455318"Ree stop that" isn't an argument either. Artists do not deserve my money.
>>964532992023 called. They want their AI slop outrage back
>>96455349Not an artist so nice try. But also AI art literally scans art so if the artists are useless why you stealing their shit retard>>96455356I understand you Baljeets need more rupees to pay for your local street slop by the Ganges, but skill in art is more important
>>96455434When you need some spoons do you go commision a real smith to make them for you or do you just buy some stamped chinesium from walmart?
>>96455459It'd depend on if he wants some good quality spoons or some real cheap ass ones, wouldn't it?
>>96455471You'd have a much better argument if the stamping press couldn't make better spoons almost any actual craftsman.
>>96455489And yet that's spoons. Art is sadly a different ballpark cause everyone has a different sense of aesthetic or need for a particular desire.
>>96455499Smithing is just as much of an art as drawing is. Explain why the latter deserves protection when it was perfectly fine for the former to pretty much go extinct.
>>96455459>>96455489>>96455518False equivalenceAlso stamping press doesn't make "art" like thishttps://a.co/d/dwbUT33
>>96455518I'm not going to explain that, because I would argue the art of smithing has inherent worth in preserving it.
>>96455216I have! I keep telling him he can charge more but he's in the Philippines and thinks his current rates are fair.I tip him semi-regularly though
>>96453299Don't care, will use AI if only to make you mad.
>>96455318What exactly am I buying? It better not be digital, why should I pay for a mere copy of something everyone else can also have, etc
I'm fine with people using AI art for random NPCs. However I'm also fine with simply not having art for random NPCs. They're random NPCs, why do they need art when the spoken word will do just fine? Important characters deserve the SOVL of a human hand. Preferably the hand of the player who is playing that character, or failing that the group's most proficient doodleist.
>>96455518Smithing was done for the purpose of creating a certain physical object, where as the arts are done for the purpose of communication.
>>96455308I hate to break it to you buddy, but pencils, paper, notepads, digital documents, spreadsheets, and even rulebooks and dice are tools. If you're using any of those in your games, then sorry, you're using tools. And I use spreadsheets (every single system I run or play I either have or have made a google character sheet for, myself, diving into coding hell), docs (Keeping notes) and even a VTT (because in this day and age, it's largely impractical to have a dedicated space for gaming unless you're stupid rich, like inherited wealth rich, let alone to play with people who might live continents away), which guess what? Those are all tools. Humans use tools. It's what makes us the dominant species. Without tools, we'd never have gotten where we are today. Or whatever arbitrary time period you think came before what you perceive as humanity's decline.>>96455325It's a useful tool like anything else. As I said, it's not a replacement, but nor is it something to be shunned. it is no less useful than a table in a rulebook, a set of dice, or a notepad and pencil for keeping track of campaign notes, but just like those things, on their own they are useless. And as I've shown, I still do draw stuff, I just use AI when I need something quick because it's faster than going "Okay I have to find art someone drew, photoshop it to be exactly what I want, or worse sit down and draw something for glup shitto who's going to show up maybe twice in the campaign if that". >>96455580Keep pressuring him, he's worth more than 20 bucks. Do keep tipping him too, bro needs to understand his value.>>96455318If you think that's what AI does these days, you haven't seen what it's capable of. It's even starting to get hands and eyes down pretty well.>>96455869I'll take what is a statue for 500 alex
>>96455891What if AI isn't useful to you, though?
>>96455737Right, exactly. Every case where AI would be okay, nothing would be also. So why bother with the AI? Nothing costs you nothing, AI, even if you aren't paying for the model has a cost.>>96455891>what is a statueStill often made, and always designed by a person. >toolGenerative AI is not a tool, it's a """toool""". My dick is a tool. You are a tool. You're making a retarded semantics argument, because that's all you have.
>>96455891>>Keep pressuring him, he's worth more than 20 bucksHis prices change depending on what he's drawing (full-body, half-body, etc.)For example pic was 30 USD
Listen, stupid faggots, yes AI can be used as a tool but like other crafts and trades increasing the rate of production adds NOTHING to the craft. Look at buildings from 1950 and look at what we have now. Look at actual art with personality and compare it to the shit you churn out and claim has any value. Explain to me why YOU don't make some fucking art. Put your god damn heart into your campaign, make shit that expresses you and your players. Or just churn out faggotslop that only has meaning if your a Jewish golem.
>>96455737>fine with simply not having art for random NPCs.Not okay for OP, because his "games" are online multimedia webinars.
>>96456827>Look at actual art with personalityArtists stopped producing that decades ago anyway.
>>96456827Wouldn't every AI image I generate contain my "personality" since *I* wrote the prompt for it? The more detailed my prompt is, or the more control I have over the AI machine, the more of my "personality" would be transferred into the image.
>>96457397Considering your input amounts to telling a goldfish what direction to turn, not really. Unless you consider your personality to be nothing more than data points and numbers.
>>96456827There is art that is meant to be contemplative and there is (an overwhelming majority of) art that is meant to be consumed and discarded. It’s the whole difference between fine arts and practical arts. Both AI art and twitter drawfag shit fall squarely into the latter category.
>>96457663How do you know art that you think was meant to be consooomed wasn't actually meant to as contemplative?
>>96453340why did you approach an artist with an artstyle you dislike who doesn't do the subject matter you're after?
>>96457627So do real artists' personality boil down to nothing more than ink or pixels?And that's a bad analogy, because I can give the goldfish exact instructions on where to move and how and for how long, enough for me to make it move however I want. And it wouldn't be doing anything if it weren't for those instructions. Imagine attributing an real artist's work to their pen.How many steps does there need to be in between the creator and the creation for it to no longer be considered a creation of the creator?
OP is:baldfata commieand maybe considering being a tranny
>>96458153I'm read OP in a Jordan Peterson voice and it's just too fitting.
>>96458138A computer understands you as well as a goldfish does. i.e. it thinks like a computer/goldfish, not a human. Your instructions mean diddly dick to the computer any more than your words matter to the goldfish beyond the bare minimum association. Even then, for it to count as the work having "your personality", you would have to have a direct hand in the involvement of the piece, something greater than just telling the computer what to do. We don't praise HarperCollins for the work on the Hobbit any more than we credit Pope Clement VII or his successors for the The Last Judgement. Why the fuck would anyone praise YOU for taking all the credit for the machine's handiwork, dumbass?
If I had to use an artbot I'd ask it to draw something that makes it happy :)
>>96458350>Your instructions mean diddly dick to the computer any more than your words matter to the goldfish beyond the bare minimum association. What the goldfish computer understands doesn't really matter does it.>, for it to count as the work having "your personality", you would have to have a direct hand in the involvement of the piece, something greater than just telling the computer what to doWhere is the exact line between direct involvement in creation and having no involvement at all. I could draw a line that bends a specific way (the *exact* way *I want it to* bend) in the middle with a pen on paper or I could tell a computer to make it.>taking all the credit for the machine's handiworkThe machine was used as an extention of the user's will to do as they wanted it and how. It wouldn't have done anything without the user.
>>96458599>What the goldfish computer understands doesn't really matter does it.If you want it to be taken as art and not just "a drawing the computer made", it kinda does
>>96453299Your art is low-effort and your group's characters are even more low-effort. Yeah I'd rather look at AI slop than that.>>96453340You and the artist are both faggots. You deserve each other.>>96453399Pretty good but extremely generic. Who fuckin cares?>>9645682790 percent of commission artists are soulless and unoriginal anyway.
>>96458662Not really. Not anymore than if your stylus pen had sentience.
>>96459167Then if you don't care what went into the piece, why should anyone else care?
>>96455678if cost matters to you surely the energy spent by electricity and water using AI should be enough
>>96455891>you haven't seen what it's capable of.Anon... should we replace you if we find a cloning machine that replaces Indians like yourself
>>96453299Anti-AI shit is so performative.The day is coming where you won’t be able to recognize AI art as AI, what will you cry about then?
>>96453340>I approached an artist I hate>With the artstyle I hate>Asked to do what they hated>How could this be happening to me?
>>96459568Considering how many ai artists can't help themselves but brag about how much the anti-ai art babies will cry seeing their work, they'll out themselves without anyone trying
>retarded culture war shit #28964187341280342fuck ai and its consoomer cultists who somehow believe putting absolutely no effort into anything you do is owning the libs. amazing. these same people believe that it will replace art, when they use a 14 year olds doodles as an example of why real artists deserve to be replaced because they will not provide them with underage blonde bob and vagene. no wonder pajeets love ai so much. sad!
>>96453399>comissioning a furry porn artist for campaign artbruh
>>96460631He actually mainly does humans. I was curious if he could do a snake person and he could!
I, as a DM make extensive use of AI to generate: NPC, monsters, mooks, generals and bosses.My players love it.
