People bitching about -4 STR should realize it's actually pretty forgiving. Things could get so much worse.
>>96453809ObligatoryAlso: it's -2.Always have been
>>96453843>strongest urbanite gigachad sigmamalevs>weakest redneck twig femoid
>>96453809If female characters get -4 STR, male characters should get: >-4 DEX(most guys can't even touch their own back or do the splits)>-2 CON(lower pain threshold, shorter lifespans)>-2 CHA(high rates of autism, failing to read the room, half the guys are unwanted incels who will die alone if society isn't actively forcing women to marry them)I don't think you guys want to play this game.
>>96453809Wow women do play life on hard mode.
>>96453809The STR penalty for halfings is -2. This would imply that human females are weaker than men half their own size.
>>96453809It's fine if you want realism in your improv narrative systems.Me? I enjoy fantasy games, so I don't do the whole -4 STR thing.
>>96453809Women can run just fine while on period, they just lie to PE teachers to skip lessons.
>>96453843-4 STR sounds ridiculous because people assume that rule was from a d20 game where most racial modifiers are only ±2, but it actually came from a game that used a d% (i.e. it's only -0.8 STR in D&D terms).
>>96454688What did anon(male) mean by this?
>>96454688Is that why you transitioned?
Yeah, realismfags can have shit even more retarded than than a meme that was never a thing in D&D.
>>96453809Female STR penalty was a thing for so little time and in such a rare specific instance of the game that it's a wonder it's stuck around when it's been totally irrelevant for 99% of D&D's fucking history.
>>96455981Games are temporary, seethe is eternal.
>>96453809Anon that was almost 50 years ago, in the last century, you have to let it go
There is no way average woman benches 100 pounds. I think female characters' strength should count as 2 dots less than it really is with 0 (unable to bench 40 pounds) being minimum.
>>96456099Just because you are a out of shape retard does not mean everyone else is too.
>>96455465>>96455977A similar case of misguided realism: DMs who are okay with child prodigy characters but give them -4 Str and -2 Con "because they're short", despite them towering over halflings. You could probably come at the same DM asking to play a halfling who's 50% taller than normal and they'd give you bonuses to the same stats instead.
>>96456121nta but calling him an out of shape retard doesn't change the fact that the average woman can't bench 100lb.
>>96456146Still sounds like projection there kid.
>>96456197I'm a diff anon.Did you take gym class in high school? The girls struggled with even the bar. My scrawny 120lb as was proud to make 1pl8 after three months
>>96454774>>96455585Perception of pain is highly individual. What's "crippling" amount of pain for one person could barely register for another. Same amount of injury, or same biological process, can have vastly different effect on each individual person (or woman).
>>96456197>Still sounds like projection there kid.How so?
>>96456099World of Darkness is a point buy system so if you want your female character to be weak simply set her Strength to 1.
>>96453809>>96454688Statistically, it's -2 STR.Also everybody knows how to balance it - no enchanted gear for male characters that aren't gay or PUAs.
>>96456099World of Darkness stat system is made of bullshit. Dog has Strength of 4, same as Mule or Horse. And the way "exploding" dice work any score that isn't zero can achieve any number of successes against any target number if you try long enough.
No one in this thread has ever touched a women.
>>96456912Statistically posters like you are retarded nogames faggots.
>>96456928and thats why we are BASED
>>96456772Aren't we working here with averages as a starting point and pcs as deviations?
>>96456099
>>96454688Men have higher pain threshold but lower pain tolerance dingdong
>>96457302Ideally yes, but it's difficult to determine what's the average on something you can't objectively measure.
Women characters should really have a -2 to INT and -4 to WIS.
>>96457488Nope, just people like you.
>>96457413>proving me rightThanks! Now bring me a sandwich.
>>96457893If that anon has a sandwich then he has something smarter and more useful than you.
>>96457958>6 minutes to come up with comeback this lame
>>96456197i bench 290my gf benches 65we have both gone to the gym approximately the same amount of time
>>96458019You may not know this seeing how retarded you are but there are more than two posters in this thread.
>>96458104Yes, your hand can't benches more than 65.
>>96458200nice english ranjeesh
>>96458238No u and your stupid face.
>>96455775If I remember right, earlier editions of D&D just had it so the only difference was Exceptional Strength, where a Fighter who rolled an 18 got to roll a d100 for an added Strength bonus on top of that, where female characters had a cap there. And a cap always seemed like a more reasonable way to handle it, because it means that the limits are only really coming up at the absolute peak performance, where in the middling scores it doesn't really matter as much to assume someone is an outlier. The real problem with implementing male/female specific mechanics in character creation is that some people get really angry about the entire concept, to the degree that they can't even entertain a discussion about it.
>>96458286The real problem with implementing male/female specific mechanics is that it serves no real purpose.
>>96454688>most guys can't even touch their own back or do the splitsI'm 300lbs and can touch my own back, and I have never seen a single woman who isn't a gymnast do the splits. >lower pain thresholdThis isn't even true. Some random German just stated this once without evidence and everyone took it as gospel.>shorter lifespansThat's because men make up 80% of murder victims and 99% of work-related deaths, and has nothing to do with our survivability.>high rates of autismIt's over-diagnosed in men and under-diagnosed in women, because the pussy pass lets them get away with anything.Anyway, women should also have a penalty to Dex (they're inferior in every sport that involves hand-eye coordination), Int (they don't even make decent chess players), and Wis (they have more affective empathy without having any more cognitive empathy, making them gullible and easy to take advantage of). They should also have a penalty to resist being disarmed, since the way female skin is attached to the body gives them a worse grip than men. Oh, and women should have an additional penalty to all stats, because they trend more toward being average while men trend toward being exceptional (sometimes exceptionally bad, but PCs are pretty much always the best of the best). Maybe to compensate, women could get a bonus to telling the difference between shades of colour.
>>96458433I tend to think the problem is more that they just stop at -4 STR instead of doing something like Disgaea does and actually hooking mechanics into that system, such as succubi that tank the abilities of male characters just by standing next to them, or female and male fighters having entirely different playstyles because the female fighters get big bonus damage from charging across the field while male fighters become unstoppable brick shithouses when they're surrounded.
>>96455981It became a meme during the 00's, when feminist kvetching was the worst thing we had to worry about, and so was a constant pain in our collective asses. Insane feminism seems almost quaint in this day and age, when progressivism has exploded and reached levels of insanity we would have thought of as impossible back then.
>>96458474Was this in Disgaea 1? If so, how were you ever supposed to find this out?
>>96458470More like you get a huge penalty to all stats for being a retarded fat faggot who knows very little.
>>96458516they introduced abilities in 3, though before then I'm reasonably sure different classes got access to different kits as they level up, and they also still had different weapon mastery rates iirc
>>96458494Yes, retards whining about feminism progressivism was always annoying.
>>96458526>>96458540Stay seething, trannybot.
>>96454688>-2 CON(shorter lifespans)
>>96458584Cry harder you retarded nogames fatto.
>>96454688>(this anon didn't have a STR penalty at player creation)
>>96456099I can do 3 or 4 good pullups as a 160 lbs man what does that make my strength? like 8?
>>96454688According to articles I've read, woman are also better at resisting heat difference and have greater virus immunity (part of the protect the baby package).I don't get why they can't just settle with a system where MAGIC perk allow to override the difference, or goes for a setting where female get a magic buff in exchange. Incel&SJW should kill themselves.
>>96459065posting the second pic I have
>>96458433It can easily serve a purpose though, in the same way that different races or mechanical backgrounds can serve a purpose. It's another way to differentiate between characters or add detail to a setting. Whether or not it serves a purpose depends entirely on implementation.
>>96458474>>96459241The main issue it's for that to work there should be an upside to trade off for the penalty, and women having an advantage over men in any aspect it's what anyone implementing the penalty doesn't want.
>>96459077What stats will their child have?
>>96459543stillborn/10
>>96456099tfw only good
Why do people claim women are great at handling pain? Like every women I've ever met is weak to pain. My HS GF and I wrecked our dirt bikes (she braked too hard, lost control and swerved into me) we both got injured and she couldn't walk because her leg was in too much pain. I hobbled out of the trail for a mile and got help on a sprained and a broken arm. I also had to lift my own bike up, then hers, and carry her off the trail so she wouldn't get run over on accident. After getting to the hospital she had just a nasty bruise on her leg and a sprained wrist.
>>96459404>The main issue it's for that to work there should be an upside to trade off for the penaltyObviously. But even >>96459065 gave the easy answer there, where giving female characters a bonus to spellcasting or magic is a really basic tradeoff.
tg is full gay today, aint it?
>>96459709Again, the people who care about penalizing female characters despise PC usually being exceptions to the average and abstractions making no sense (see deadly cats) would argue that WIZARDS are wised old men, no women.
>>96459745Yes, since you're here.
>>96459830And again, I'm saying that's the main reason that it's impossible to have a discussion about these mechanics. Because people are busy getting angry about bait and boogeymen.
>>96458596You saw that pic and then just randomly repost it whenever, huh? Survivorship bias has nothing to do with why women live longer lifespans, which is a mix of factors, including:- Men being more likely to be the targets of lethal violence;- Men driving worse (they pay more in car insurance for a reason);- Men doing more stupid shit like drugs and alcohol;- Women being shorter (short people live longer, stay mad);- Women having a better immune system, which makes them less likely to die of parasitic and infectious diseases;- Women having less risk of cardiovascular disease due to estrogen reducing the levels of low density lipoproteins.Note that even removing all social factors, and all "men do dumb shit" factors, women still live longer than men just due to the biological element.
>>96458526NPR had an hour long discussion about why basketball cheerleaders should be paid as much as basketball players. The best part was when they had a cheerleader on for her brilliant commentary. I think the forced denial of reality that has become a hallmark of the left is a distinctly femoid trait.
>>96460313Yes, you made it clear you are retarded and don't know anything. You can leave now.
>>96460313>forced denial of reality that has become a hallmark of the leftt. guys who picked RFKj to head HHS
>>96460033Not that anon but technically speaking men still drive better. They just have less accidents overall but worse accidents on average because they like to drive faster and since they're less likely to claim insurance overall, insurance companies need to boost up the monthlies on men to both cover the fact that if they DO claim then it will be for a larger sum and that they don't claim often enough so the stuff like premiums can't be increased.One could argue that "good driving" is following the road rules but even then females even following those rules still crash more often meaning they can't even handle cars going slowly and that if they had the confidence to drive at speed they'd be more represented at the top end.
>>96460362I think if you violate the speed limit and get into a lethal accident because of it, you are a worse driver than the person who drives the speed limit and gets a couple dents in their car from bonking into a fence.In any case, even if you disagree, obviously those catastrophic accidents are the ones most likely to turn you into a corpse.
>>96460377I will have to disagree here because good driving is speed plus safety and so we don't have insurance stats on drivers that don't need insurance.I don't think anyone would watch Formula One if the boys were abiding speed limits and those boys are the proof of what is good driving.You could make the argument females are "safe drivers" if severity is applied. That I have no issue with but good I would still have to disagree.
>>96456197No it doesn'tthe average dude you pull off the street probably can't bench 1pl8, a random woman is absolutely not benching 100lbsthe fucked up standards of social media doesn't suddenly make 2pl8 bench not impressive
>>96459677I think it's people taking studies of womens' pain tolerance during pregnancy, which is extremely high, and extrapolating it to the rest of the time.
>>96460355>we should cut off a child’s penis. It will make him happyHaha I dunno man. You guys sorta took the retarded shit crown on that one.
>>96459677giving birthliterally all there is to that memewomen give birth, which does suck, so people pretend that they're actually just way tougher all the time while conveniently ignoring the men who have entire parts blown/torn/clawed entirely off and manage to not only keep living but keep fighting through it
>>96460667It is not standard of care to cut off children's penises. You guys picked an antivaxxer who is going to kill a shitton of babies and all you can cite as a counterpoint is a treatment plan you made up.
>>96460608Lets say the average is a wimp like you. If that is true then using benching 100lbs is not useful as an average str.
>>96460701>Lets say the average is a wimp like youThe average wimp isn't benching 2pl8 for eight>then using benching 100lbs is not useful as an average strspeak english
>>96460712Learn to read, retard.
>>96460729I can read everyone else just fine, you just shat out mangled gobbledygook.
>>96460741It looks more like you just rub your keyboard on your dumb face.
>>96458470stop replying honestly to obvious bait, retard
>96460766>ESL(You)
>>96460769Good job finding yourself.
>>96460768You should tell him to not reply to bait with retardation.
>>96460804same thing?
>>96460677Haha shut up you fucking dork. Let based JFK bang on them a bit and prove their shit works. It’s fine. Acting all high and mighty like your shit is beyond reproach is dumb. Should be easy right? Since you know for sure you are right about everything.
>>96457413>DeadliftWew that's lower than I expected.
