Multiclassing into Wizard doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Wizards are learned scholars who have to study for years before casting their first cantrip. But a Fighter with 8 INT can just decide that Shield would actually be a pretty good spell to have and pick up one level of Wizard on a whim?

>>96459731
8 int is below the required ability score required for multiclassing into wizard.

feats / EK would do it though

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>>96459715
>Page of Cups Edition
What kind of cups?

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>>96459731
This is nothing new

>>96459449
That's how West Marches campaigns go. Imagine a persistent world shared among the tables. If one does some shenanigans, it can affect all.

>>96459770
THIS ISNT FAIR FIX THIS NOW WOTC FIX IT NOW

What is the pubes status of your current PC, /5eg/?

>>96459731
>Multiclassing into Wizard doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
From a roleplay perspective, you'd be correct. Magic Initiate (Wizard) would be the proper way of approaching this. The dude dives into the books, starts picking up on the basics, but being a wizard is a long way to go. Depends how roleplay or meta building your table is leaning towards..

>>96459795
Dragonborn. Pubes not found. Bad Dragon sponsorship.

>>96459787
With Elan he'd be better off taking sorcerer rather than wizard since he could probably only cast 0 level spells. With fighter if you care that much about getting shield you can just go eldritch knight.

>>96459731
Yes it does
>been studying in my spare time
>used to study but never gotten my hands on a proper spell book
It’s easy

>>96459795
Dark Sun, it's too hot for pubes and he's a gladiator. He has to get them waxxed off regularly.

>>96459669
no one plays ranger anyway

>>96459795
Orc barbarian farmer, what do you think

>>96459851
Im going to play ranger next game tho

>>96459825
>Wizard teaches you to prove a point to his former teacher

>>96459768
Ones overflowing with sweet delectable mana (pussy juice)

Every time my players boss fight an aberration, I try to come up with some gimmicky fight rules

>Luck inversion - 1 is 20, 2 is 19, disadvantage is advantage. (This sucked, I'm never doing it again)
>Visual impairment. The map is covered up by the animated background, but every area hazard is still there, making the players rely on memory to navigate.
>"Time travel". The boss is actually a gauntlet of the most infamous villains of history, and the party perceives themselves as the heroes that defeated them.
>Alternate dimension. The fight is against 2 versions of the same boss, who has to be fought on the material and astral plane simultaneously by the split party.

I'm beginning to run out of ideas. Of good ideas, for certain. I need to come up with something good by the weekend.

>>96459731
easy, I don't allow multiclassing

>>96459878
Enjoy shouting flipendo every time you hunter's mark.
On that note the dragon rider subclass str build wielding a lance and a shield with great weapon master (Lance is heavy now), a heavy armor feat and stuff with a noble background who fights straight up and is basically a St George knight shouting Bale at dragons as he marks them is a cool take I haven't seen many go for.

What ranger build are you thinking?

>>96459824
Would also make sense since both classes are Charisma casters.

What's the distinction between clothing and armor? I'm workshopping a luchador character based on unarmed combat, which makes me lean towards Monk, but I'm wondering if it would count as armor if I craft myself a mask and tights out of leather for my character's costume, thus making him ineligible for Unarmored Defense. Would it be different if I made it from cloth instead?

>used to think class-restricted items was dumb and videogame loot-goblin shit
>realize it makes total sense in a magical setting where magic items can deem their wearer 'worthy' like Excalibur
>magic in items also open up for tropes that are cool but illogical like stealth suits and sneaky leather armor usage to make sense since they could be made by a magical material from say a monster that would really make you blend in more with the shadows or what have you, meaning it makes sense for you to wear that stuff instead of a normal outfit which wouldn't give you away as an intruder that you otherwise logically would wear
I've seen the light.

do you guys have a discord server?

fuck off

>>96459865
Hairier than an elderly dwarven woman?

>>96459731
>But a Fighter with 8 INT can just decide that Shield would actually be a pretty good spell to have and pick up one level of Wizard on a whim?
Not according to the rules. You should try reading them some time.

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Fighters and Wizards should be working together to bully barbarians and bards!

Can't you just slap shield on some enspelled armor and got to town nowadays?

>>96460295
>but I'm wondering if it would count as armor if I craft myself a mask and tights out of leather for my character's costume
it would count as armor if it increases your base AC
"clothes of +1" as res-skinned bracers of armored defense would increase your AC without counting as armor, but thats a rare magical item and you should ask your DM if thats okay

>>96460354
>Cap and Scarlet Witch

I prefer Batman and Harlequinn

>>96460344
Rules are optional, they also don't address why a 13 INT Fighter retroactively accrued 1 level's worth of Wizard by killing goblins

What is the deal with players who don't want to engage with the RP and only want to murder hobo and do math?

How is this appealing and why is it so common? Is it just video game brainrot?

>>96460396
>Is it just video game brainrot?
you confuse cause and effect
people have always wanted to just kill things, video games that let you do that became popular because of that rather than the other way around

if a majority of your players embrace the murderhobo lifestyle, and you cant get new players, then you will just have to adjust to their playstyle

>>96460396
I dont mind them, I just dont invite them to my game

What I do hate is the ones who say everything they need to say during the interview about how they want something character and story driven, less combat focused, etc, but then the game starts and they turn into a boring opti munchkin. Why can't you find your own game instead of trying to infiltrate mine? Are you so desperate to experience 5e's excellent and incredibly in-depth combat that you just apply to anything and lie about what you want?

What's the Batman build? Rogue 3, Paladin 3, Fighter 3? He fights unarmed so he must have some Monk levels too.

>>96460620
hes clearly just a monk rogue

>>96460620
Monk is good enough now that he's just a shadow monk.

>>96460358
If you/your DM think enspelled items are a good thing to have in your game.

>>96460683
batman is a str character, sorry.

>>96460777
batty does not subscribe to the standard array and he clearly has higher than average stats.

>>96460794
Dude is maxed out in every stat but charisma. Plus a bunch of bullshit feats given to him by his training with the Tibetan monks.

Let's assume we have 10 levels to build Batman. Lvl 1 Batsy is still training in Tibet and shiet.

>>96460620
Batman is a wizard, because every time the plot demands it, he pulls some ridiculous splatbook bullshit out of his ass.
He then refluffs his abilities into "peak human condition", despite the fact that he just dodged the omega beams, or punched out Reverse Flash going full speed, which is something no human being can do.

Hmm... how would you build a PC that primarily uses bows or crossbows?
Like, feats, class, subclass, tactics?
I was planning to have a Gloomstalker with light crossbows, with Archer as a fighting style, and with the general feat maybe Crossbow Expert, because with that one he'd do more damage.
What do you think? Any ideas, tips?

>>96459795
Snake, so pubeless.

>>96460848
>can literally make others take him seriously while wearing a bat costume and can succesfully make people terrified of him even though he never kills anyone and he frequently interrogates people to get them to tell him exactly what he wants
>when not using the bat persona he can successfully play the billionare playboy role and seduce anyone and frequently uses it convincingly to deceive people to think he's dumb while he's infiltrating places or getting information
Nah, he has 20 Cha. It's his wisdom that is shit, frequently fails wis saves to keep his mental shit together and keeps autistically adhering to a code that isn't doing anything to fix the city in any permanent sense, not realizing the endless loop he's in with the other loonies who he plays cops and robbers with over and over again.

>>96459932
A better time travel gimmick is that the enemy reverses time every time they defeat it, forcing them to exhaust its ability to do so or find clever ways to force the issue.

>>96460931
this is a batman thread, try reddit instead

>>96460949
That's a good point, I was thinking about how he tends to fail and fuck up his personal life at every point. Yeah wisdom is bad, also he's most vulnerable to people who fuck with his psyche

>>96460949
>adhering to a code that isn't doing anything to fix the city in any permanent sense, not realizing the endless loop he's in with the other loonies
Nah, Bats has seen what happens in other universes when he decides to start permanently fixing problems. Yes, he’s trapped in a loop, but that loop DOES keep those other loonies trapped, too. And being stuck in that loop prevents him from becoming a bigger problem than any of them have ever been.

>>96460982
I want to say it’s been called out multiple times in the comics that he’s self-sabotaging his personal life because he’s afraid of being happy. He’s Batman, not Bruce.

>>96460949
>even though he never kills anyone and he frequently interrogates people to get them to tell him exactly what he wants
This always seemed like pretty poor writing desu and only a necessity because the audience is meant for children when he holds them up by the cuff and they just spill their beans, since they'd know if anyone was tortured or killed by him. In order for this to be convincing batman would have to be the biggest psychopath asshole on the planet who would infiltrate his enemies' homes and place hidden cameras of embarassing details and threaten to leak that shit or start to threaten to frame them for shit they never did, or start terrorizing them with phone calls and sounds in the middle of the night and shit.

>>96460976
I don't like actual time travel and never include it in any of my games.

>>96459795
Cleric man of the cloth; he ritualistically shaves once per month and for certain holiday observances.

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>>96461064
>>96459932
That being said, I DID come up with an interesting idea - gravity manipulation. The boss switches between the normal mode for the map and the Mario mode, in which the PCs are forced to platform around the map to reach it.

>>96461071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rflFQg3g9-c

>>96460931
I forgot to say it's for dnd 2024

>>96460794
>>96460848
>as much strength as someone who works out regularly: min 12 STR with 1d6 unarmed strikes
>highly notable dexterity, trained as an acrobat and accurate with thrown weapons: minimum 16 DEX, with proficiency in stealth, acrobatics, and sleight of hand
>INT: see worlds greatest detective, at least 18, proficient in investigation
>WIS: see worlds greatest detective, at least 18, proficient in perception
>CON, above average but can still be defeated with mundane weapons, at least 12
>CHR: heroic willpower is top tier among humans and is valued greater than his physical strength, can seduce even his enemies and can pass off his alter ego as a playboy, minimum of 16, proficient in intimidation and persuasion
>saving throws: DEX, CHR

>worlds greatest detective
>advantage on investigation checks at crime scenes
>advantage on nature, arcana, history skill checks whe analysing evidence
>doubles their proficiency bonus on investigation and perception checks

>AC: 15 + DEX (armored bat suit)
>fire-retardant: grants resistance to fire
>bullet resistant: piercing damage from ranged attacks are reduced by 3

>2 attacks
>has grappler and tavern brawler feats
>unarmed attacks, 1d6 + DEX modifier
>batarang, 1d6 + DEX modifier, thrown (30/60)

>utility belt
>4 prep time charges, restored on short rest
>use 2 charges as a reaction: automatically pass a saving throw
>use 1 charge as a bonus action: can be used re-roll a failed skill check
>biometric lock: only batman can wear the belt, DC 17 perception check to determine its booby trapped, DC 17 sleight of hand to disarm the trap, attempting to wear or open the belt without disarming the trap causes 2d6 lightning damage each time its attempted

>CHR
>instead of CHA
Why do people do this

>>96461110
"People" don't. You have a skinwalker in your group, bro.

>>96460931
fighter is probably going to be better than ranger

>>96459795
Permanently removed by magic. His dryad gf likes it that way.

>>96461082
>that pic
jesus fucking christ line up the picture and the vtt grid

>>96461082
I like that battlemap.

>>96461083
Funny, he's also Not!Dutch

>>96460118
I'm gonna steal that.
That's dope.

>>96460385
The game doesn't go over every single waking minute of someone's life. Evidently a character who multiclasses into wizard had enough of an interest to presumably do the boring nerd shit during his downtime

>>96459795
Kept meticulously shaven because it's hot as balls out

>>96461258
To be fair to him, a lot of those rooms do line up well
VTT artists need to draw to match a grid better

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What are some monsters that should be in DnD but aren't?

>>96460931
>light crossbows
Assuming you mean hand crossbows?

>>96462073
the Crossbow Expert feat mention both so no
Anyway, any ideas on the rest?

>>96462109
The light crossbow doesn't have the Light property. Ignoring Loading and Firing in Melee work with all crossbows, but Dual Wielding only benefits hand crossbows. You want hand crossbows (plural) or a heavy crossbow (singular). Light crossbow is what a character uses if they're not good at crossbowing.
Your gloomstalker is fine and functional and hits the main points. Get dex to 20 with ASI or two more half feats.
Dex Fighter is probably the best ranged weapon user, but not by so much that you shouldn't play a ranger if you want to. Fighter gets the most from Great Weapon Master with longbow/heavy xbow (Crossbow Expert feat tax) to boost damage output, though Dreadful Strike and spells help the gloom stalker up keep with the extra attacks the fighter gets.

>>96462218
Sounds good, I'll stick with the Gloom Stalker if the damage difference isn't too big
What do you think of Hunter, better or worse than the Gloom Stalker with ranged weapons? oh it depends on the situation

>>96462064
Goose.

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As a 2024 5e human fighter, do I use my second origin feat to get Magic Initiate (Cleric) so I can cast Bless once a long rest, Magic Initiate (Mage) so I can cast Shield once a long rest, or Magic Initiate (Druid) so I can cast Goodberry once a long rest?
Bear in mind that druid spell list does not include Light cantrip so you're still stuck on relying on teammates or carrying torches or lanterns.

>>96462218
>The light crossbow doesn't have the Light property.
That's ironic.

>>96462388
Shield, and laugh at making eldritch knight obsolete.

>>96462512
That's what getting enspelled armour does. A once-per-day spell's not bad utility, but a caster that doesn't get Shield is the one who really appreciates MI:W

>>96462388
I'd say go with Cleric for Bless. A bonus to every attack or save for ten rounds is really good, you can use it to help two allies as well as yourself, and you have a good chance of making concentration saves to maintain it, since fighters have Con save proficiency and Bless itself will also give you a bonus to concentration checks. Shield is good, but it only lasts one round, so I'd want it available more than once a day. Fighters already have good armor anyway. Goodberry is only really useful if food and survival are a big factor in the campaign, which they usually aren't. The healing effect of a goodberry would only be useful for bringing someone up from unconsciousness, but your DM might not allow that, and if you just want to keep people from dying, the Spare the Dying cantrip from the cleric list can stabilize people at will and from range.

>>96460396
High testosterone, us girls know that REAL dnd is about cafe rp and gay relationships
>>96460615
OMG this! Once saw a wizard player with 17 int, total ick

>>96462794
did you have a stroke?

>>96460324
Quite literally kill yourself.

the fighter and the wizard vs the barbarian and the sorcerer
education and training vs instincts and raw talent...

>>96463076
Sorcerers now have a rage equivalent as well.

not sure where best place to ask this is so posting here. Anyone know where I can get a bunch of free assets for wonderdraft / dungeondraft?

>>96459795
Full white drow bush, she's got no time or cause to shave.

>>96464049
Do elves even grow body hair?

>>96464502
From what I can find, some do, some don't.

Lads I just started DMing (running dragon of icespire peak) and I have an idea but a) not sure how to run it and b) not sure if I even should.
The PCs had the encounter with the manticore attacking an NPCs house (manticores parents killed by dragon, is wounded) but the PCs got the manticore to fuck off by healing it.
I rolled for the manticore to come help them in later fight, which it did, so now it considers the score settled. I think it'd be cool for the dragon and manticore to fight again but the dragon to win, dramatic moment of PCs finding the dead or dying manticore, swear vengeance yadda yadda. Except the PCs have a shitload of healing so it seems like I'd have to handwave it and say no you can't heal this dying creature that you did heal before, which is bullshit. But maybe me even wanting this encounter is forcing it and that could be bullshit. What do you guys think?

>>96464943
always consider what would be most fun for your players and ignore anything anyone here tells you

>>96465015
I think they'd enjoy the moment, the drama of it but could potentially be annoyed if I stop them from healing the manticore because their evil lion buddy dying is drama

did you faggots reach any conclusion on the milestone vs xp leveling? I lost track at +50 posts

>>96465089
I skimmed through the autistic back and forth and I think it was a 60:40 split in favor of milestone

>start a game with a party of three
>the other two players are gloomstalker rangers

sigh

>>96464943
>>96465070
Have the dragon maim the manticore in some way so that even if they heal it it won't be physically able anymore. Unless they have the power to restore lost limbs it is basically a cripple that would lose in a fight to much less threatening creatures if simply healed and left to its own devices again. Hell, you could even play it as the manticore having lost its will to continue the fight after getting so thoroughly trounced even if it survives.
This could prompt them to go on a quest to restore the manticore if they deem it important or they could choose to let the manticore pass and avenge it. Even if they were to fully heal the manticore, the shame of being defeated twice and seemingly being unable to ever defeat the dragon could shatter its pride, maybe even more so if it had to rely on the charity of the party to survive. It seems honorable enough for believing in settling debts with strangers, so you could play up that angle if you really want to have a moment.

>>96465196
Also play a Ranger.

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>>96465089
Dunno, but reading back through it I came across this post and thought it was really funny.

>>96464943
>But maybe me even wanting this encounter is forcing it and that could be bullshit. What do you guys think?
I think you are weak minded if you let retards ITT influence and dampen your enthusiasm for creating fun moments for your players. Just because PCs have healing doesn't mean nothing can ever die anymore. It can just happen while they're busy with something else

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Bros I fucking love Brancalonia.

>>96465089
Xp won

>>96464943
Let the PCs ride the manticore into battle

>>96465563
I kinda wish it was its own game.

Is playing online fun?

>>96466424
Not as much as real life, and it can take a while to curate a good group.

>>96466526
That seems to be the real pain point. I don't like spending a lot of time on discord, but it seems like you'd have to join a bunch of random games and start cultivating friendships just to put together a good group.

>>96466850
It seems like that, because that's what it's like. And doing it as a DM is a lot easier than doing it as a player.

>>96466850
Private servers for D&D games are a different beast thab the public ones. I have a weekday game I play online after work, and most of the posts are either scheduling shit or memes during sessions. It's a group chat, not a forum.

its a timeless struggle. do i name my the baddies super weapon
>soul of estrazel'gameth, ultimate bringer of heavens end
or
>butterfly

>>96467642
The first name is what the bad guys calls it, second one is it's true name.

>>96467675
perfect compromise innit, cant believe i hadnt thought of it sooner. appreciate it

Aside from Soul Catching Gloves and Blood Fury, what are some good legendary items for an unarmed monk?

>>96468489
staff of defense

>>96468534
Legendary, please

>>96466526
>>96466850
My ex-workmate did the hard work curating an online friend group and I slotted myself into it. My other online group is my uni mates.

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>>96461586
I think it'd be a fun character. They unfortunately decided that you couldn't fly while riding the dragon until level 15. I'd ask your DM if you could have it work like the Purple Dragon knight UA where you can fly up to your movement as long as you end your turn on the ground until you get the full flight feature. That way you can actually feel like a dragon rider and not just a monitor lizard rider earlier than lvl 15.

Favorite fluff for magic missile?
>glowing magical arrows
>spherical/oblong energy bolts
>star wars blaster-esque beams

>>96469267
>Medusa enemy with spells
>Snakes made of green energy
Sometimes you gotta go with the classics

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>>96469267
Spectral Force Weapons.

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>>96469267
>>96469599
Greatwyrms do something similar with one of their Legendary Actions:
>Arcane Spear (Costs 3 Actions). The greatwyrm creates four spears of magical force. Each spear hits a creature of the greatwyrm's choice it can see within 120 feet of it, dealing 12 (1d8 + 8) force damage to its target, then disappears.

>>96469267
A brief tracer light akin to a laser sight before instantaneous impact. Aside from the initial targeting there is no discernible projectile, which is why they cannot miss.

What’s the best way to do character sheets digitally? So far I’ve just been using a google doc but I can’t help but feel like there’s a better way.

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>>96469267
Since someone told me there was basically no one in history who even believed that elemental evocation magic existed in the form of stuff like shooting fire bolts that a mortal man could learn has me on an autistic timeout with not wanting to accept any magic like that as it just feels like anime shit without any authentic grounding. I wish to be argued out of this belief with historical sources and myths that aren't about gods so I can resume enjoying dnd derivative mages.

Tolkien gets a pass as usual since his wizards are more like angels/demigods who could reasonably do the fire pinecone-shit since they're not like learned men and more like god wizards like Odin and other divine figures who do display elemental magic of the dnd-kind.

>>96470734
Sounds like a you problem

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I'll be running my first campaign as a DM soon. Can someone please explain sneak attacks? I remember a bunch of creatures being immune to them in 3rd/3.5th edition, which I've only experienced through video games. How does it work in 5th edition? My plans include a lot of constructs, elementals, and undead, which concerns me because one of the players is planning on bringing a rogue.

How do I run a campaign like that without accidentally screwing the rogue player over hard?

>>96470962
>Once per turn, you can deal an extra 1d6 damage to one creature you hit with an attack roll if you have Advantage on the roll and the attack uses a Finesse or Ranged weapon. The extra damage's type is the same as the weapon's type. You don't need Advantage on the attack roll if at least one of your allies is within 5 feet of the target, the ally doesn’t have the Incapacitated condition, and you don’t have Disadvantage on the attack roll. The extra damage increases as you gain Rogue levels, as shown in the Sneak Attack column of the Rogue table.
Nothing is really immune to sneak attacks anymore.

>>96470962
>How does it work in 5th edition?
you trigger a sneak attack as long as you have advantage on a target
or, for melee attacks, if there is a friendly creature next to it when you attack
so no more "you cant backstab a slime because it has no back" moments

>>96470966
>>96470967
Okay, so there's no sweeping rule like "gray oozes are immune to sneak attacks because they have no vital organs to stab" or anything along those lines, if I understand correctly? Thanks.

>>96470686
Does it need to be digital? I was going to say a form-fillable PDF but that's not functionally different than a printed character sheet.

>>96470686
Fillable Sheets is my favorite, but if you need an online one you could try Shard Tabletop.

It feels like Wildfire Druids have to justify themselves as the edgy class by always being religious nut pyromaniac eco terrorists instead of just expressing their druidism through fire
Which is weird because fire is infinitely more natural than dirt or plants or animals, it's like a law of physics, animals have been around for less than a blink in comparison

As a concept, I hate Artificers more than anything and think they somehow manage to break immersion in a kitchen sink setting where anything goes but I can't articulate why properly

>>96470734
It's time for you to move on from D&D and embrace low fantasy rpgs

>>96472093
The whole infusions system requires some logical loops to embrace. Ok, you're a tinkerer? Why are your creations temporary? Why can you switch up infusions every day? That sounds more like an enchanter than inventor to me. Plus magitech doesn't really belong in the default setting.

>>96470734
For me, I dont like the trivialization of elemental magic specifically. Anybody being able to learn to shoot a purple laser is fine, but anybody being able to learn to throw a fireball feels like it cheapens the elements as the fundamental aspects of the world and by extension, magic as a whole. The guy who can shoot fire should be a fire guy, the guy who can shoot lightning should be the lightning guy, the ice guy shouldn't be learning earth magic on the side, its gotta come from within.
In short, dragonborn sorcerers are how elemental magic should work.