Thoughts on the upcoming Starcraft wargame?
Coming out at least a decade too late.
>>96465572The minis they showed look amazing>>96465578This too, but it still might find its niche.
I think it looks promising. We didn’t get to see much, but I like what I’ve seen of it so far.
En Taro Adun
>>96465755I believe you're thinking about Overwatch.
>>96465898Rent-free.
>>96465572The only way I'm buying any of these minis is if each kit comes with an authentic sample of pilfered breastmilk from the Blizzard Breastmilk Fridge, complete with a picture of the woman it was stolen from.
Would much rather get the epic scale Halo game back
>>96466074I wish the space ship game was not dead on arrival. Did even went into production? I recall seeing some images of a super carrier and then nothing more.
>>96466139Lasted 6 months and got 3 waves of product out sadly
Nuke this thread and all the schizos in it
>>96466231>t. perfidious webcam company
>>96465860My beef with Starcraft 2 is the writing is shit, the art style is atrocious, and they absolutely ruined the thematic design of all three races.Oh and the game sucks.
>>96465572Ignoring that this thread is for some reason about pedophilia apologia and who does it, I think this game looks shit. No, I haven’t read the rules and maybe there’s something clever in there, but the style is amateur-modelled print slop. Who wants to be limited to three factions in a sci-fi setting? Who wants to engage with this paper thin Blizzard lore? Someone shared a bottle of soju with an exec and convinced him to give him the rights so he could make a quick buck off his off-shore 3D modelling office.
>>96466373A truly good wargame wouldn’t require more than one faction, they are an excess, a luxury meant for the low brow
>>96466373>Who wants to be limited to three factions in a sci-fi setting? Who wants to engage with this paper thin Blizzard lore?Trench Crusade faggots.
>>96466392There are more than 3 factions in that
>>96466373Admission of not having read the rules and cries of "everything I don’t like is LE SLOP" aside, didn’t they say that they plan to make several factions for the three races? Could be interesting, I dunno
>>96466527I played a lot of StarCraft and I have no misgivings about it, but the style looks like slop. Bad proportions, too nu-Blizzard. StarCraft 2’s aesthetic did itself scuff the clarity of the artistic vision of the first by making everything so smooth. The models they’ve shown renders for look like random crap you’d find online from an independent creator. That’s not ‘everything I don’t like is slop’. Plenty of things I don’t like don’t look like slop. I hate primaris but they looks good.
Have they even revealed any models? This shit was announced like a year ago, thought it was vaporware.
>>96466708They did show some in a stream not too long ago, they look pretty nice: https://www.youtube.com/live/KaBLk74eHQ0?feature=shared
>>96466918>Goliath spottedSo it won't just be limited to SC2 (non-campaign) units, thank God
>>96467234I still watch from time to time SC2 and SC games and one of the most common things that happen is that people started playing SC, try SC2 and rapidly go back to SC. Hell people that never played SC when they where kid so no nostalgia goggles and started playing the game with SC2 try SC and eventually leave SC2 behind.SC2 is an objectively worst game than SC, even kids that grew with nothing but modern game eventually stick with good old SC finding that things like the retarded pathfinding of the Goliath or the Dragoon to be a skill to master than a flaw of the game. Which is odd coming from kids that usually get frustrated easily.
>>96465572>Opponent puts Pylon in my deployment zone Turn One.>Lose.
>>96467596>opponent somehow deploys 20 zerglings before I even finish building my list
>>96466409Isn't it just dirkas, christfags, and rainbow brigade?
SC1BW -> 2 is the biggest case of soul to onions I've ever seen in gaming short of Crysis 1 to 2.
>>96467596>fat nerds physically assaulting each other at game stores over proxy pylonsGod, I can’t wait
>>96467234>terrain inspired by 40k L-shaped tournament terrainDisgusting
>>96467596>Get to turn 3 against a Terran player>He announces "Nuclear Launch Detected" and pulls out a laser pointer
>>96465572I hate the SC2 protoss aesthetic
>>96465572I am so /awg/ and /hwg/ that any "property game" seems sus to me because I watch them come and go, and inevitably sell out before I get to try them.These days I'm like a sniper, waiting, willing off the roadside to catch whatever it I see the kids are talking about so I can raid it for cool minis. Yet afaik Starcraft was joyously brief in its lore. Nothing to get in the way of a wargame... I'm looking at you GW.
>>96466392>Who wants to engage with this paper thin Blizzard lore?You want fluff: a cassus belli, a vibe, a reason to campaign and make /yourdudes/Lore is gay and cribbed 99% from history which inevitably reads more exciting anyway. What sci fi or fantasy property ever improved by being fucking expanded upon at the corporate end? At some point you're just going to have to be creative. People criticise historical gamers but I see more self expression and craft than people just rote following seasons of fucking lore, with its attendant spinoffs, everyquestion answered, might as well just stay in bed.
>>96465572I'm excited as all hell for it.>>96465578The Starcraft community is alive and well. World championship was less than a month ago. The player base is certainly smaller, but we're just as dedicated as ever and eh. More excited to play it with friends than to see it be massively popular.
>>96471480And which of the remaining 15 starcraft players wants to build and paint models instead of just playing the vidya they've been playing for the past 10 years or whatever?
>>96471396>I am so /awg/ and /hwg/ that any "property game" seems sus to me>the current /awg/ OP is Halo franchiseslop Lawl
>>96471538On average, it's up 100k players since 2020. Starcraft is plenty popular.Dunno why you think "it's not popular!" is an insult towards something.
>>96466687>I hate primaris but they looks good.Oh I am laffing.
>>96466074God I miss Spartan, they made some solid games.
>>96469169What the fuck are you talking about?
>>96471538Every time I see a Timmy and his mom wander into a GW store the staff explains it as, "like Starcraft," so there's definitely a chance it could take off.
>>96466291YOU FORGOT THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTALWAYS ONLINE DRMNEVER FORGIVENEVER FORGET
>>96468027It's two teams (heaven/hell) but each has at least three factions within them. Presumably SC wargame could work the same way with factions within the races, like how SC2 does co-op commanders.
>>96471663>Dunno why you think "it's not popular!" is an insult towards something.He's a /v/edditor.
>>96471249Now, let's be honest here. Pre-SC2 protoss aesthetic is just basically their buildings and nothing else
>>96471480> The Starcraft community is alive and wellNot true in the least, nerd slayer already did a “death of a game” on it, star craft is deader then a door nail
Im pretty excited, generally I like starcraft's design more than their 40k equivalent. Zergo and Protoss specifically, some marines more than space marines. >>96466918Models look pretty good which is all I care about, I doubt it will have a massive audience but as long as they are fun to paint im happy. I Do feel like they could run out of units pretty fast however so will be interesting to see how long till they run out of runway.
>>96474971It's honestly a good question. I've seen terrain like that in SW: Legion, Last conquest of kings, and a variety of other things at this point. It's just good divider terrain.
>>96481597>"some Youtube faggot said it’s a dead game, therefore it is"Learn to formulate your own opinions, zoomer.
FUCKING HYPED!
>>96482178NTA but I really can't believe you fell for such obvious bait. Fucking hell, no wonder this board is dead.
on one hand I really like Starcraft. on the other I don't feel like it has a chance to survive. Too many other games to compete with.
>>96475009And how often do you see that?
>>96468044Outside of UED idea BW is overrated as fuck
>>96482178>refuses to accept facts when stated by a professional >calls a man in his early fifties a zoomerBet you argue that fire is hot, or when a doctor says someone diedMaybe you should check the facts bud
>>96482254Same homie
I am cautious. Miniature look fine, but we know almost nothing. There should be development journal or some info filtering out. But other than the usual toxicity, I am interested.
>>96486659Nah. BW's biggest issue that it wasn't as good as the next Blizzard's RTS story-wise.But SC2 practically paved way for much worst writting
Bought my starcraft tabletop war game 15 years ago. Plays fine. No reason to buy a new one.
>>96466918>>96467234They better to release Zagara, so I can add her as cheerleader to the base of Swarmlord
>>96467234Goliath OnlineAcknowledged H.Q.
>>96484768Every weekend?
>>96492081There's a model that looks like Zagara on the table here >>96467234 and she's pretty big. Not sure she'd fit desu
>>96492650Where? I see only two hydralisks and bunch of zerglings
DOA, nobody will play it.
>>96465572Looks cool. Might get some Zerg.
>>96466074If you've got access to a 3D printer the game is surprisingly well supported by community efforts, there's a Facebook community with links to all sorts of resources including loads of good STLs.
>>96493269By the hydralisks is a large gray model.
>>96490180I mean, I liked BW but it was meant to have a downer ending with Mengsk still in charge, the UED broken, Fenix and Duke dead. Artanis and Zeratul got a win at the end of the Protoss campaign, but with Kerrigan ascendant as the Bitch Queen, all they did was buy some time.It was a good hook for a sequel.But man that sequel was such a fucking mess.Tychus did nothing wrong and didn't deserve what he got.Kerrigan being the glowing golden goddess savior of everyone despite all the terrible shit she did was just the absolute zenith of bad writing. It was terrifying for a time that everyone expected Blizzard to repeat the Kerrigan bullshit with Sylvanas in WoW. It seemed they actually were but fan reaction forced them to walk it back. But then Shadowlands was easily the worst expansion WoW ever had. And when it's competing with Cataclysm, that's saying a lot.That said, I am cautiously optimistic about SCTTG. I would very much like a game that can compete with GW's strangelhold. And I say that as someone who plays 40k, Horus Heresy and Old World.
Starcraft only has 3 factions so I'm unsure how well this will go. Its probably just a beta test for a much more expansive warcraft game which could easily carry 40 factions
is this just a 40k clone? >>96491477this looks much better
>>96494164>40 factionsthere's a point where it just becomes bloat
>>96465572I'll probably get it, especially if I can see a Thor or Odin.
>>96494164Well there's a bunch of subfactions you can do especially for zerg (dinosaurs) and protoss (the evil red ones)Terran is the only one that really doesn't change units but i guess you make Dominion it's own thing like co op with a few giga elite units and shitty expendable chaff to cover for them
>>96495492Terrans has tons of potential subfactions>Pirates/Scavvers>Those fancy chrome fucks they sold a skinset for >UED>Confederacy Holdouts>War Pigs
>>96495588I'm as big of a starcraft nerd as you probably but i just don't see it >Piratesthat faction is mostly based around airships, only has like 2 units on the ground with reavers and hellbats>chrome guysThat could count as umojans which sure could work out but...>UEDThese are supposed to be the "elite" terrans, better higher tech gear, more trained units. since most airships are not gonna be a thing if they put the UED this is what they give them (plus mind controlled zergling fodder)>Confederacy This could work out as a "starcraft 1 terrans" but apparently goliaths are already in so that's not really needed>War pigsMercenary faction sounds good but if you are going that route just give them to Nova as elite marinesThere's a bunch of options i guess it depends how well it sells and retains attention
>>96496146>I'm as big of a starcraft nerd as you probably but i just don't see itI don't think it'd be good, mind, but I don't expect the base game to be good either. I'm just pointing out they have plenty of gay little aesthetic reskins and troop choices to spin subfactions around should this thing take off
>>96493269You blind, bro?
>>96465572Can I build an army of ghosts?
So would Swarm even be a worthy snack for Nids?
>>96499368The energy you’d get from them perpetually trying to out-assimilate one another could probably power Las Vegas for 70 years.
>>96499368Actually yeah. Since Zerg tend to assimilate wheherever they settle and utilize all avaible biomass in the most optimized way. A perfect protein bar for Nids, small, but still tasty.
>>96493993>But man that sequel was such a fucking mess.A perfect mess. At the end of Brood War (including secret protoss mission) they've made an actually good set up for sequel. And then within in instance they blew it up in Wings of Liberty (when Zerathul visits Raynor) and doubled it down with Heart of the Swarm campaign (although Stukov had some potential).>Tychus did nothing wrong So as Garrosh. And honestly, Raynor should've been actually killed after WoL campaign for backstabbing his friend.
>we have 40K minis at home
>>96465572Are they gonna do resource generation through facility construction and such or just make it a straight up war game?
>>96506637-> >>96467234So far seems like straight up wargameUnless there will be somekind of resource gathering system to call troops from reserves
>>96506646Seems like it will probably fail pretty hard then.There have been other war games that have come and gone that had good mechanics and they died out. If you are striping away stuff that the RTS fans are used to, introducing a game with limited factions and unit types, and have to pay a fee to use the IP driving up costs? Seems like it will die pretty fucking fast.
>>96465572>multipart plastics you can kitbash for a decent priceThe only way anyone will care
>>96494164Oh come on they always can begin asspulling shit from campaigns and use it for certain sub-factions. The real issue is Archon's capabilities to make new minis and supply them if game doesn't flop.>>96506662Well it's kind of retarded to emulate APM-focused RTS on the tabletop.Also, humour time, remember when zerg-protoss hybrids were supposed to be real hot shit?
>>96506637>>96506646The base structures and resource generation will be in the form of cards, from what they said in this interview: https://youtu.be/LQEoebAKUAE?si=-2ZEU5KhX4oDL8jV
>>96496146Terran>UED>Confederacy or dominion, or both>kel/morian combine>umojan protectorate(and if you want even more factions you can use the different factions associated with the different colors from the game manual)zerg;>overmind>kerrigan>primal zerg>various factions from the different cerebrates protoss:>aiur toss>dark templar>those red protoss from SC2>various factions based on the team colorsEasy 9 from just 3 big players of every faction, and potentially variations based on the different doctrines the player color factions.(pic related is the color based factions they made).Also, SC2 had a bunch of commanders you could retool to be amries. They could have some system that any terran faction has access to core units, but may deploy some specialist units based on the faction.
>>96493993>It seemed they actually were but fan reaction forced them to walk it back.WoW isn't over yet and judging by amount of retarded girlbosses with pointed ears she have a good chances to come back.It's still hillarious, how every element of SC2, while looking solid and promising, managed to end up badly because Blizzard decided to bend story to the saviour figure
>>96510477>They could have some system that any terran faction has access to core units, but may deploy some specialist units based on the faction.So, Infinity's Sectorials.
>>96510477>>overmind>>kerriganThey are practically identical, except of Celebrates-Broodmothers.They've already hinted that one of the zerg faction will be Stukov's infested terrans
>>96506707Archon plastics are very kitbash-unfriendly tho.
>the Brood War SC:BG expansion is $500What the fuck
>>96486659I do not expect much from a RTS story. Even ignoring that everyone in BW had their IQ lower when in proximity of Kerrigan much like anyone when facing the Tau in 40k, it was a good enough story.SC2 on the other hand as other anons have pointed out, characters that would be meh at best in any other story like Abathur look fantastic by comparison due to how shit the rest of the story is.But given credit where credit is due, Wings of Liberty is impressive with how much liberty it gives the player to approach it
>>96465578Might still be big in South Korea tho
>>96516107Why would it? The reason vidya is popular there is because living space is minimal.
>>96515344Retrogaming is always more expensive as a rule of thumb
>>96465572Bump for interest.
>>96510477I think they said Raynor’s Raiders is set to be a faction of the Terrans
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>>96516107>South Koreans getting shoved down the Plastic Crack rabbit hole with a Starcraft wargameThat ought to be interesting.
>>96493324I will
>>96494164starcraft's identity is so tied into these factions that i don't think people interested in this game would mind all that muchas long as they're relatively balanced, to the point where you can argue for any given race being "the OP one", like with BW
Only if I can play an exclusively UED faction. I will not bow to the so called "Terran Dominion."
>>96496146Umojans have their own skinset though. The chrome guys were just a PMC hired by a resort world to do security and their aesthetics were more about the "Don't look like military dudes" set upon them by the resort world leaders
>>96515957>Abathur>fantasticCome on at least pick proper examples like Tychus or Tosh, or Alarak.HotS doesn't have interesting characters, because story doesn't bother to build up even nominat tension and suspience
>>96465572Feels like a cash grab by Blizzard. But I wish it all the best to succeed as Warhammer needs competition.
I have a better ideawhy don't we forget the whole SC2 thing and make a new actual SC2 with 1's aesthetics and good writing ?
>>96540714>why don't we forget the whole SC2 thing and make a new actual SC2 with 1's aesthetics and good writing ?That's not how licensed products work.
>>96515957Pretty much everyone's character was shitted on in SC2, except those who were smart enough to retire like Magistrate.
>>96465572if the models are assembled and not complete oujt of the box I'll be invested it for kitbashing, but if i want to enjoy start craft id rather just play the game.
>>96540693>Warhammer needs competition.>Starcraftlol a few decades late
>>96478956nigger LOOK at that SC1 high templar portrait and tell me they didn't change the aesthetics in SC2. SC1 struck a beautiful balance of them feeling very alien, both tribal and high-tech, both scientific and mystical. They're space-knights in 2 and it sucks.
>>96547473>SC1 high templar portraitYou mean Eldar helmet?
>>96547853can you look at the bottom middle portrait in >>96471249 and tell me where the helmet is
>>96547910>and tell me where the helmet isBehind the shadow with the same shape as the rest 8 protoss portraits on this picture.
>>96547931That's not a helmet, that's the magical hair-stuff they have that connects them to the khala
>>96547948I know. Yet protoss portraits looks straight copy of Eldar helms.Like you couldn't pick a worse complain than fucking protoss portraits.
>>96547964Can you show me one (one) sc1 portrait with a helmet like >>96547853 ?
>Paint lore accurate Terrans>Banned from the store/Discord
The mindless contrarianism of /tg/ never fails. SC2 is the better game, story and art. It's the most complex game currently played by any human beings, and AIs switched to training on it because Chess and Go were too easy.
>>96548042>SC2 is the better game, story and art.>gameSC1 has a higher skill ceiling and doesn't need blizzard propping up its pro scene>storyactually I'm not gonna continue replying to bait
>>96548076>SC1 has a higher skill ceiling and doesn't need blizzard propping up its pro sceneNope. The terrible pathing simply makes it a worse game. That's why so few pros managed to transition. They just weren't good enough to do it.
>>96547982Top and bottom right
>>96548365top right is tassadar and he's not wearing a helmet. that's his forehead plate thing. Bottom right is wearing a circlet with a giant diamond-looking gem in it that looks nothing like the conical, symbol-etched eldar helmets you posted. Are you retarded or just not wearing your glasses?
>>96548449>top right is tassadar and he's not wearing a helmet. that's his forehead plate thing.Yeah it's a head yet it's still looks exactly like Eldar helmet
>>96551158>tassadar's head is mottled, segmented, and wrinkled, plain and unadorned, slopes back>eldar helmets you posted have monochromatic colors with emblems etched on and large glowing embellishments/fucking wings, tall and conical in shapeNigger.
>>96551179Retard who tries to deny obvious simmiliarity shapes and silhouettes
>>96551271Man I'm not gonna deny that starcraft took a lot from 40k but saying tassadar's head looks like an eldar helmet is the worst possible argument you could make to support it. There were better examples in the image you referred to. I'm sorry you're such a fucking faggot, get well soon.
>>96469368>turn 4, he belly-flops onto the table
>>96551313>but saying tassadar's head looks like an eldar helmet is the worst possible argument you could make to support it.On the contrary. It's most obvious piece of inspiration from 40k in Starcraft
>>96467596>"Don't worry bro, these are just terrain"Arthur, stop being a nigger trying to sneak proxy raxx onto the table before we even fucking begin
>>96471249Look how they massacred my boy Tassadar Retcons should be banned
>>96548042>SC2 better storyok kidSC1 was a battle for galactic domination.SC2 was a hoes before bros despite me only talking to you for 2 missions in the first game love story because metzen is a hackTIDINGS OF DOOOOOOOOOOM FORGET WHAT YOU KNOOOWWWTEH ZERG WERE "ALTERED" AND DIDNT DO NUFFIN AND WERE GOOD BOYS
>>96552382The Raynor/Kerrigan romance was only a means to an end in SC1, where Raynor, seeing Mengsk betray his cocksleeve, betrays Mengsk. Then that cocksleeve turns into an evil bitch queen set on wiping out all humanity and other non-zerg life. Fine. But SC2 making his two weeks in Kerrigan's ghost pussy Raynor's entire character was a fucking mistake.Not to mention all the Kerrigan dickriding the rest of the story does.Fuck, I hate SC2.
>>96552490I'm not exaggerating when I say that SC2 is my least favorite game of all time. I loved SC1 for everything, the aesthetics, the just-right amount of storytelling, music and unit voice lines, the gut punch ending of brood war, all of it. My jaw dropped when at the beginning of WoL raynor had hair, no unibrow, and was crying over a fucking polaroid of the queen of the zerg.
>>96552490Don't forget that the whole chain of events which leads to Galactic Apocalypse lasts less than 10 years (at least WC3 had 1 generation sweep and it was keypoint of the story)Also, terrans got psyker's genes by random mutation and never was part of Amon's plan, but also was essential for his ressurection.>>96552647>and was crying over a fucking polaroid of the queen of the zerg.Unironically should've been more like collective photo of Raynor, Mengsk, Kerrigan and guy in marine armor after finishing up evacuation from Mar-Sara
the fucking Kerrigan character was a mistake from the startshe should've stayed being a Ghost, a sidekick and a minor characteralthough i still kinda like the intro/trailer to Heart of the sworm... but man making her a fucking galactic goddess in SC2? Seriously?
>>96552749>the fucking Kerrigan character was a mistake from the startNah, it's been a perfect (before Arthas came out) villain character.>but man making her a fucking galactic goddess in SC2? Seriously?Basically the whole Heart of the swarm campaign can be described "our protagonist have an edgy phase, again"
>>96552382>because metzen is a hackWhat's up anon you don't like story of ancient evil returning only to be beaten by rag tag groupe of adventurers, one of which becomes a god at the end?
>>96466918Damn, models look pretty good.
>>96465572Enh. There's already a game about space marines fighting hive minded bugs and an ancient advanced-but-dying race who can warp stuff around. It even has a bunch of other factions too! The models are pricey as heck, and the rules aren't that great honestly, but you have plenty of other options to choose from.I mean, if the minis are gorgeous and cheap, I might be interested, but the IP alone isn't going to do it for me.
>>96556265warhammer is hugely successful, why are you fags so insecure about stuff like this? warhammer didn't even event the stuff starcraft ripped off.
>>96556265They've said their miniature boxes will be comparable in number to a Combat Patrol box, but cheaper.
>>96556393Thanks to this thread, I got my friends into the SC:BW board game (TTS until I can justify the wallet-igniting price for the game), maybe I can interest them in this game if it's interesting.Does it have buildings too, or just units?
>>96556721They have commented in their original Q&A video that they want to have the buildings from the game represented by model kits, he then held his hands about a foot apart and said "They should be about this big"
>>96556904>you must buy $600 worth of plastic for your tech treeMeh, still cheaper than 40k
>>96471480I was in Korea a month ago for work and I wanted to grab something Starcraft related for a friend. There was nothing, zero, nada, zilch. Culturally, it's dead.
>>96465572man blizzard really knows when to strike when the iron is lost in a snowdriftat least microsoft will lose some money
>>96465572Fuck Blizzard for destroying Warcraft>>96465578This too.
>>96558473asl still fills up studios with fans, you're just a lying fag
>>96558934Does it? The few streams I've watched half the seats were empty. And even if they do, I'm talking about the rest of the country outside of the studio.
>>96558985Starcraft draws less than Marigold KWAB
>>96558985It's the second most watched game after LoL.
>>96552157>Look how they massacred my boyBy changing skin texture?
>>96560073*makes you black*See? A simple skin change can make things a lot worse.
>>96560092>*makes you blackFine
>>96493993To be fair WoW already had it's own Kerrigan moment with Illididnu in Legion.>>96552749>although i still kinda like the intro/trailer to Heart of the sworm...I mean it's a great and almost flawless (unlike Mengsk death at the end) Blizzard cinematic. But holy fuck, it's basically telling you that WoL was completely meaningless and one of the few SC2 good characters was killed for nothing (Raynor at this point is really very shitty person who gets all what he wants at others expense).
>>96551645Kek.
>>96548076>SC1 has a higher skill ceilingunless youre a bugman retard freak this is not relevant
>>96552769kerrigan worked fine in brood war and even wings of liberty, but becoming a vengeance-obsessed girlboss leading noble savage dindu zerg in heart of the swarm was complete retardationthen they went even further beyond retard with the epilogue but that makes me too angry to talk about it
>>96465572I'd be way more interested in a warcraft wargame
>>96561354>To be fair WoW already had it's own Kerrigan moment with Illididnu in Legion.True, but at least he rejected the glorious golden god boon. (the "I am my scars!" line was perfect 13 year old edgelord)And his "reward" at the end was getting the Tal Rasha treatment of being locked in a cage with Sargeras to battle for all eternity.
>>96563348snore
>>96563348I think they said that if Starcraft wargame is successful enough they’ll make a Warcraft one as well.
We've got new pictures of the plastics.
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>>96570229>>96570221>>96570211Trying to figure out the scale is hard since hands can be big or small. Is that a 32mm base? Which would put those at roughly Primaris Marine size.
>>96570592Their website said 32mm was the scale
>>96465578FPBP. Maybe if this game came out in like 2014 perhaps things would be better.
>>96570653>>96570592Most models will be 32mm. They said on their Q&A stream Hero units will be larger like they are in SC2 and large units like aircraft may be scaled down.Honestly this game is probably dead on arrival.
>>96570211>>96570221>>96570229So shields are going to be an upgrade or simply reserved for some named marines unit?
>tfw never ever>>96465572I want to know prices. I want a Firebat, a few marines and a Ghost or two but I'm not paying GW prices for them.
>>96573469It will forever be a mystery
>>96573814See>>96556393for pricing
>>96573170>dead on arrivalWith Blizzard’s Fuck You money? I doubt it.>inb4 muh nu-Blizzard flopsEven taking that into account, Blizzard’s got enough money over the years that they’re not gonna be filing for bankruptcy anytime soon.
>>96575087This game will attract all sorts of nostalgic boomers, regardless of blizzards current status.
>>96465572I worry that the for all my eagerness to see it done well that the RTS/base building/resource management angles are gonna be really under baked and ill fitting for what would otherwise be a fun little beer and pretzels game in my mind. For every cool thing I imagine the game doing I'll run into another system which I don't think modern Blizzard can manage to translate for shit
>>96465578I'd say 25 years too late.
>>96516107>>96532641I have a feeling that it probably won't succeed even in South Korea.>>96516626 <--- This is why.
>>96570211>>96570221>>96570229God I hate the shields they added to marines in SC2
>>96583056I never played SC2
>>96583107You apparently never developed sight either if you don't see the massive fucking shield on those minis.
More game pics herehttps://starcraft-tmg.com/news/development/inside-blizzard-hq-starcraft-playtest-game-design-journey?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR5b9fkLaZeblXmmVkxNq3QCSxk9TSjMn76HTMc4AeYeUDzSH0DtenCh7duG4Q_aem_56FQrTvtKa0dWM9G6ntkrQ
>>96583593So had the game been approved or is it still in the approval phase?
>>96587142They have the license to make the game but every time they make or add something they have to get blizzard to confirm its acceptable . Like how in rogue trader they removed the ability to customize the banner because according to GW it would have been out of lore.
>>96588739GW really has a rent free spot in your head.
>>96588750It doesnt, its just a good example for a similar situation in a similar product. They hold a license to make something but it requires approval by the owner to make sure its inline with what they allow.Technically I think its different than if blizzard sold the rights to make a tabletop game, then I think they could do it without having to check in every step of the way.
>>96588844NTA but another example, using Rogue Trader and GW was how Owlcat wanted to have a full romance paths for the Eldar, the Sister of Battle, and even the Space Wolf for female Traders.But GW shut those down.
Have they talked about how many units they will have at launch/what they will beSo far Ive seen the followingTerran:Raynorspacemarinespacemarine combat shieldsgoliathZerg:Kerriganzergling raptorzergling swarmlingqueenroachhydraprotossZeratulzealotThere are probably more terrans shown that I missed, harder to tell on the smaller pictures since their silhouettes are all bipedal compared to zerg. Protoss I dont think has been shown outside of digital sculpts
>>96588986I thought I saw some medics but I could have been wrong
>>96588750>asks a question>gets an answer>"hurr durr, geedubs living rent free"???????????????????
>>96573469Probably a cosmetic choice
>>96594306Ever since Age of Sigmar release GW took plenty of efforts to train and nurture insecurity within it's consumerbase to insure they will keep buying only GW's plastic crack.
>>96547473>tribalAnon They've been clad in werid gold armor since SC1 (cinematic with Phoenix death in Antioch).At best we can argue that SC2 graphic was much more cartoonish, but it was to be expected from Blizzard at this moment
I'm actually really looking forward to it, I'm also sort of hoping if it does well we'll get a warcraft themed one.
>>96465578Not saying it won't be fun and/or good tho
>>96467234>unpainted terrain and modelsHaven't these niggers realized you want people hyped up for your new release, not the other way around?
>>96599257It's demo they showed to Blizzard
>>96493993You know, what really grinds my gears?The fact that writers try so goddamn hard to keep the characters alive, so afraid of letting them die, I guess because they'd then have to make new characters, and that's just wooork.The original has surprisingly good, down to earth and compelling story, the expansion is goddamn grim, but I dislike the ending where basically not only entire 3 faction story led to the moment kerrighan is in a three way deadlock, stacked against overwhelming odds, but she prevails against impossible because power of the protagonist (that is the player finishing the hardest mission in game).Another, and wholly separate problem is that the dark protoss and UDF act like fucking retards, nonetheless the sequel played it even worse.We start with classic earthquake, yo zerg are swarming n shit, the koprulu is on fire, man!Nice, I'll led this unlikely hero on his raise in power to outperform overwhelming odds (the dominion, swarm) by cunning to lay greatest guerilla warfare ever.Mengsk is cunning, he's traitorous, and (rightfully) paranoid. Game does justice to the concept, explores the dominion rule on outskirts worlds, not helping in evac, pulling all fleets to defend core worlds. And then what? Every card, every hidden ace, every trap he lays is shattered by plot armour of the protagonists.>"recruit" Tychus, make entire campaign long plot to make him act in the right momentTychus dies to a single shot like a bitch>Excavate mar sara, and other planets for xel naga artifact (final failsafe)Riders steal all their shit>Have access to uttermost powerfull dominion ghostsNot send them to kill raynor because reasonsIt's just tiresome.Raynor should've gone in a blaze of glory
>>96467234>>96496837>QueenCute!CUTE!>>96515344You don't even know: Friend of a friend sold the original SC boardgame to some ruskie oligarch's son for around $10K, back in 2012 (snownigga sent some gorilla bodyguards over the Baltic Sea to pick it up, carrying a fucking suitcase with money James Bond style). Iirc it was printed in a relatively small number of copies and production closed down early so that thing was the holy grail among collectors/board game autists for a good while. I think some re-release made the price drop around ~2018-2020?
>>96599396>down to earthFucking where? 1st SC already had Xel'Naga creating protoss and Zergs, Brood War hinted Duran and "power beyond your comprehension young prelate"
>>96599496I meant it was a powerstruggle and realpolitics (tm).Come on, maybe my phrasing wasnt really clear, but did you really had to focus on a two word and not reply to the rest of the post?
>>96599519
>>96598927Same.
>>96599519No I've got you anon, just pointing out that all Chekhov's gun which misfired in SC2 were used to be integral parts of SC1.However, it's notall perfect with SC1 either. I mean we never see actual scale of Confederacy because in terran campaign we begin with Mar Sara, then jump to instigate rebellion on Antiga and then straight to Tarsonis (which includes landing right into New Gettysburg) and in the end cinematic Mengsk rules full fledged Empire.
>>96599496It had all the heroes get fucking slaughtered by the zerg and end on an incredibly grim note. Yes, one secret bonus mission hinted that an old alien race was still trying to fuck with alien biology, it was in no way crazier than the experiments the terrans were doing.
>>96599396t. boomer with nostalgia goggles, the writing was equally retarded in SC1, and that's part of the charm.
2's writing was a huge step down, anyone saying otherwise is baiting or retarded.
>>96609561Retards are frequently more happy than others.
>>96599257It’s a demo they’ve shown to Blizzard, you fucking spoon
>>96609432>, the writing was equally retarded in SC1,It wasn't. It didn't have deus ex machina prophecy which bent the whole setting to a one character along with giving "I do whatever I want" warrant (like telling protoss colonists they were as bad as zergs).And at least it had actual antagonists.
>>96605689>I mean we never see actual scale of Confederacy because in terran campaign we begin with Mar Sara, then jump to instigate rebellion on Antiga and then straight to Tarsonis (which includes landing right into New Gettysburg) and in the end cinematic Mengsk rules full fledged Empire.Point taken.Then again the fact that the exact numbers arent being shown doesnt necessairly make story bad. I can buy the story where some backwater sheriff accidentally helped to create a device which could (relatively lol) controll swarm by the billions, allowing for essentially planet wide extermination, that in the end allowed powergreedy rebel leader to seize power only for the history to repeat itself.Anyway, I'm not trying to undermine your take, just a quick question, wasnt tarsonis like a archology (a planet sized city) or do I remember wrong?Also>in the end cinematic Mengsk rules full fledged Empire.Pretty sure dominion is built at the end of brood war.
>>96605689You see more planets and colonies in the protoss and zerg campaign. The confederacy even has space stations.
why, in any way, would you base your models off the soulless starcraft 2 artstyle and design when the original is dripping with character.
>>96613107Low-poly 3d models from SC-1 cinematics
>>96613122easily accessible 3D models that have existed since the 90s and last I checked you didn't need ultra high definition on a piece of plastic no bigger than your palm.
>>96613141You need if you are working on licensed products. SC-2 models are just better source for CAD sculpts.
>>96613167translation: I want soulless corporate designs because I'm a faggot shill
>>96613182That's how license works.Also, there are no difference in marines design
>>96613196yeah keep sucking corpocock and excusing taking the same one model and changing one detail then selling it as something different. Fuck off back to /40kg/ you tranny.
>>96613219>and changing one detailLike?
Tfw no Zerg gf
>>96612343He wasn't looking for an actual argument, he's just a zoomer that didn't play sc1 when it came out and weakly defends his preferred entry in the series by saying "they're b-b-both bad"
>>96615025>"SC2’s writing is equally as dumb as SC1’s so shitting on the former just means you have nostalgia goggles.">"Y-you’re just a zoomer!"I rest my case.
>>96615158Correct. Anyone who played both when they came out and says the writing is of equal quality is just baiting. Muh giant golden kerrigan overcomes corruption is worse than anything in SC1 by a country mile. You may have the last word if you with to continue being a rage baiting faggot, faggot.
>>96615187>implying "Muh Raszagal being secretly mind controlled the whole time" wasn’t just as retardedKek, good one.
>>96615228It wasn't.First it made sense due to Dark Templar using the same psychic powers as OvermindSecond, it's actually added depth to secondary characters like Aldaris
>>96538639They said there would be sub-factions, so a pure UED army’s probably possible
>>96465572What is starcraft even about?
>>96619119SCI:>Space criminals get ejected from earth and form a crude but (relatively) technologically advanced society>Encounter ancient space aliens that are nuking planets to destroy infestations of newer space aliens>three way conflict emerges>hick sheriff links up with rebel giga chad because space confederacy is covering up newer space alien destruction of space confederacy settlements>hick sheriff wants to fuck rebel secret agent lady, she's betrayed by rebel giga chad who uses her and hick sheriff to commandeer a device that directs newer alien race to destroy space confederacy government>he wins>meanwhile, newer alien race capture and turn rebel secret agent lady into newer space alien queen>newer space alien threat is bigger than anyone could've imagined>space criminals and ancient space aliens go on various quests to stop newer space aliens from taking over space>they fail, and at the end of the expansion, Space Wars, newer space aliens kill a bunch of important space criminal and ancient space alien characters and are poised to potentially consume Space>Secret mission shows that even ancienter space aliens that created ancient space aliens and newer space aliens, whom were thought to be destroyed, have some small numbers and are trying to concoct the ultimate space alien from all the space racesSC2:>warcraft in space
>>96619317>SC2:>>warcraft in spaceMore like WoW in space.Because Warcraft actually bothered with developing somekind of redemption arc
Depending on the kerrigan sprues and how fugly they make her face, she might be worth a kitbash or proxy into a GSC army as a magus
>>96619317Man. I havent played StarCraft since high school back when it first came out. Thanks for reminding me of all that.>>96491477The tiny models in this boardgame suck cus they changed the designs from the game. Added extra fins and angles and shit. They look like knockoffs. I know cus I also have the boardgame. >>96573814Same, I only want to get some hydras and dragoons, maybe some zerglings and call it a night. I'll just proxy them into games of warzone or something.I WILL NEVER FORGIVE WHOEVER CANCELLED STARCRAFT GHOST THAT IS ALL
Who else thought of the game everytime they saw the campers drive by?
>>96619839>STARCRAFT GHOSAnd nothing value was lost
>>96619846Speak for yourself, SC1 was my favorite game of all time and I badly wanted more starcraft setting. Then the monkey paw curled a twisted finger and they shat SCII out.
>>96552490>But SC2 making his two weeks in Kerrigan's ghost pussy Raynor's entire character was a fucking mistake.Now now now, let's not overpraise SC1. Raynor wasn't even a character, just a generic dude with american accent.The problem that whatever Blizzard planned to make with his characters didn't work, At all. Because Raynor went from bland character to 100% repulsive and annoying, pretty much like his waifu, always taking moral highground when it comes to discarding characters who doesn't fellate his ego non-stop.WoL really should've follow UED Captain story of escaping from Char (wouldn't mind if it turned up to be a chick voiced by the same frau who made Valkyrie VA) and executing last DuGalle's order of stoping zergs from attacking Earth at all cost, while also investigating Duran's real motives etc
>>96627495>Raynor wasn't even a characterHe didn't need to be. He was an everyman who discovered shit alongside you, reacted to shit the way you did, and was generally your bro. SC1 didn't reinvent the wheel with character archetypes, it used preexisting stuff that just werked.
Game's going to be SPIEL Essen! Hopefully we'll get to see some gameplay there. HYPED!
>>96627495>Raynor wasn't even a character, just a generic dude with american accent.He was very much a character: he was the backwater everyman that had a sense of justice that transcended politics and even species. He was willing to save Mengsk from himself when the UED and their pet Overmind needed to be brought to heel, and found close friendship with Fenix due to their shared values. His last line to Kerrigan in Brood War DEFINED his character, even.>It may not be tomorrow, darlin', it may not even happen with an army at my back. But rest assured; I'm the man who's gonna kill you one day. I'll be seeing yah!Is it much of a character? Did it break new ground? No, but it was juuuust the right amount of nuance and development to be perfect for an RTS character. The fact that SC2 managed to betray what "little" character Raynor had in SC1 is more indicative of its failure to write a coherent story than anything else. They couldn't even get such a basic archetype right.
>>96628361>He was very much a character:His main traits were:1) Friendship with Kerrigan2) Friends with protoss.> but it was juuuust the right amount of nuance and development to be perfect for an RTS character.And that's pretty much my point. Basically his character is built up by character's assasination in SC2 where he became a complete wretch.
>>96628693>His main traits were:I literally described his main traits in that very post you goddamn speedreader. >he was the backwater everyman that had a sense of justice that transcended politics and even species>he was the backwater everyman that had a sense of justice that transcended politics and even species>he was the backwater everyman that had a sense of justice that transcended politics and even speciesReposted it another three times so maybe your neurons will fire off this time.>And that's pretty much my point.You've made no point. You claim SC1 did a lazy, hacked up slopjob with his character and then waffle about and admit that his character was perfect for the medium it was delivered in. You can't call him bland just because he's archetypal. Every line of dialogue from the very first mission to his final promise to kill Kerrigan are all dripping with character. Maybe he's just too white for you to understand or maybe you've huffed too many subversive farts to appreciate the classics, but a strongly delivered archetype is anything but bland. And that's exactly what SC1 Raynor is: an archetypal small-town sheriff in way over his hand but refusing to back down because his sense of justice outstrips his respect of authority.Pic very much related
>>96628693>His main traits were:>1) Friendship with KerriganYou didn't play sc1 lmao. He cared about her, but it was the betrayal of her and everyone else by mengsk that truly disgusted Raynor. She represented the ramifications of it since she became the queen of the zerg. Him being defined by his relationship to Kerrigan is a SC2 invention. Idk why I'm bothering since you're plenty content to lie and speak with authority about a game you never played.
>>96628782he's just a zoomer saying whatever he needs to say to pretend sc1 wasn't a fantastic video game with a serviceable story compared to sc2 which was a serviceable video game with a dogshit story. Zoomers get offended when you point out that they love slop.
>>96628782>>he was the backwater everyman that had a sense of justice that transcended politics and even speciesYep it's called being blad character. >You claim SC1 did a lazy, hacked up slopjob with his characterNope, I've said he was bland characters, but SC2 made his depiction in SC1 much more prominent in retrospective. No more no less
>>96630323>Him being defined by his relationship to Kerrigan is a SC2 inventionHe send his fledging rebleiion into Char in SC1He saved Mengsk ass at her behest in BW
>>96630750>He send his fledging rebleiion into Char in SC1Alongside fleets and armies from Tassadar and Zeratul, intent on attacking the seat of zerg power where its brain lived.>He saved Mengsk ass at her behest in BWBecause he agreed that the UED wrecking ball needed to be stopped.Your point?
>>96630714>it's called being blad character.Archetypal, not bland. >I've said he was bland charactersAnd you're completely wrong. And apparently ESL given how much trouble the english language seems to be giving you. Hell you've already proven his characterization in SC1 sailed right over your head.
>>96630939>And apparently ESLseems likely
>>96630939>>96631002Good to still see broodwar bros out here. The game was something special, a great blend of tried-and-true story elements, music, visuals, and replayability. I of course remain eternally seething about SC2.
>>96628181Looking forward to this
>>96630854>Alongside fleets and armies from Tassadar and ZeratulWhy lie here? Tassadar and Zeratul were hunting Cerebrates, while Jimmy arrived only because GF called him along with Mengsk (who send Duke)>Your point?2/3 of Raynor's appearances in SC1 and BW (outside of terran campaign, where Magistrate is main character, who carries Raynor's sorry ass) were simping for Kerrigan. So it's one of his defining traits.>>96630939>Archetypal, not bland.He was as bland as american western protag.>And apparently ESLI hate to break it for you Jane Doe, but Starcraft is generally remembered mostly by ESLs
>>96633452>but Starcraft is generally remembered mostly by ESLsSo yes, too brown to appreciate Raynor. Sad!
>>96633452So was mengsk simping for her too by sending people to retrieve her, you dumb nigger?>2/3 of raynor's appearances in sc1 and bw (outside of the terrain campaign)>(outside of the vast majority of raynor's appearances)You're a disingenuous faggot. I'm glad you took the time to look up a plot summary, but I strongly recommend playing the game before you try to discuss it, brownoid. You like SC2 because it was designed to appeal to soulless chinks like yourself.>he's not a character at all>anyways here's his defining traitsMake up your mind you dumb nigger.
>>96631106I'll never understand you people. Starcraft 2 is simply the better game.
Starcraft 2 is simply the better game.
>>96633735>too brown No I am christian.
>>96634045>So was mengsk simping for her too by sending people to retrieve her, you dumb nigger?No because Mengsk sent Alp[ha Squadron to finish her off.>but I strongly recommend playing the game before you try to discuss it, brownoid.But I did. And I fucking beg you to point a moment in any of the 6 campaigns, where Raynor's defining traits weren't:1) Friend with Kerrigan2) Friend with protoss.>You like SC2 because it was designed to appeal to soulless chinks like yourself.Yeah I like SC2 so much I've straightly called it's writting character's assasination.Also, I don't want to anger you anyfurther anon, but Starcraft is basically chinks (or actually korean) game.
>>96634229>mengsk sends underlings to do his dirty work while raynor personally leads his men to rescue survivorsWow you're doing a great job displaying their characters.>friend with KerriganJim and Kerrigan are introduced in mission 5 and she's lost in mission nine. They speak to each other directly three (3) times, the first two being him thinking dirty thoughts and her calling him a pig, the second being a flirty use of "darling" that she rebuffs after a chuckle. Only in the third do they have an actual conversation (that lasts about 30 seconds), and I'll break this down for you since you're too brown to understand how european storytelling works: Sarah's sob story exposition and betrayal at the hands of a superior she trusted is meant to hold her up as a symbol for all the little guys that corrupt leaders abuse and discard, the type of people Jim cares about because he's one of the good ones. Where others would've looked the other way and followed orders to not interfere, Jim investigated the zerg in his jurisdiction and got charged for it. Where Mengsk sees Kerrigan as someone with useful talents to be sacrificed at his convenience, Jim sees a person being taken advantage of. Jim is defined far more by his fury at Mengsk's betrayal than by his placeholder relationship with Kerrigan. This is not a groundbreaking story, but it hits tried and true points well enough to get you immersed in the fucking video game. It's also a very simple story, which wasn't enough to make it digestable to your brown "brain.">friend with protossJim engages in tons of major military actions AGAINST protoss, because he's not "friend with protoss." He's friend with tassadar, with zeratul, with people that he respects, trusts, and shares a moral code with.Now take a shower jeet/eat a bat chink/invent the wheel nigger.
I wonder how SC2’s story would have turned out if nu-Blizzard weren’t allergic to letting people play as bad guys. Have WoL end with Kerrigan getting de-infested, HotS be about some special hybrid lad (the Player) seizing most of the Zerg for Duran’s use, and LotV be about the Protoss going into the Twisting Nether, or the Void, or whatever the fuck it was called, to beat up Duran and Amon.>yeah, it’s still retarded, but that’s to be expected since I tried to keep it as close to SC2’s actual overall story as possible, even though I’d definitely cut Kerrigan becoming a god by merging the epilogue with the main LotV campaign and having it end with the united Protoss killing Duran and Amon after freeing the rest of their species from Amon’s mind control>also Raynor now gets to choose between Tychus and Kerrigan at the end of WoL
>>96634209Most of you are, juan.
>>96634364>Jim and Kerrigan are introduced in mission 5 and she's lost in mission nine. They speak to each other directly three (3) times, the first two being him thinking dirty thoughts and her calling him a pig, the second being a flirty use of "darling" that she rebuffs after a chuckle. Only in the third do they have an actual conversation (that lasts about 30 seconds), and I'll break this down for you since you're too brown to understand how european storytelling works: Sarah's sob story exposition and betrayal at the hands of a superior she trusted is meant to hold her up as a symbol for all the little guys that corrupt leaders abuse and discard, the type of people Jim cares about because he's one of the good ones. Where others would've looked the other way and followed orders to not interfere, Jim investigated the zerg in his jurisdiction and got charged for it. Where Mengsk sees Kerrigan as someone with useful talents to be sacrificed at his convenience, Jim sees a person being taken advantage of. Jim is defined far more by his fury at Mengsk's betrayal than by his placeholder relationship with Kerrigan. This is not a groundbreaking story, but it hits tried and true points well enough to get you immersed in the fucking video game. It's also a very simple story, which wasn't enough to make it digestable to your brown "brain."Mucho texto for "jimmy was goodly two shoes who lost a friend because his other friend turned out to be manipulative bad guy">Jim engages in tons of major military actions AGAINST protoss, because he's not "friend with protoss.Like when..? Unless we count SC2.
>>96635639>Mucho texto for "jimmy was goodly two shoes who lost a friend because his other friend turned out to be manipulative bad guy"Funny that you're now identifying how his core personality is in fact more than >>96628693>1) Friendship with Kerrigan>2) Friends with protoss.
>>96635639>Like when..?Off the top of my head, the missions New Gettysburg (where Raynor wasn’t shown directly fighting but was part of the Sons of Korhal forces operating in the area) and The Trial of Tassadar (where he allied with Tassadar’s faction against the Conclave) in the original StarCraft feature Raynor going against the Protoss; though both have asterisks attached to them.
>>96635646Yeah sorry, add third trait goodly two shoes. Still bland as american western.>>96635682>New GettysburgPretty sure he was fighting Confederates, while Kerrigan was sent to deal with Protoss, hence why they ended up separated.
>>96635826I accept your concession, brownie
>>96635831Dude you are throwing a racebait in thread about IP which is still popuilar only among koreans.
>>96635639Raynor was a Marshal - which is by definition a reigning commander. He isn't friends with anyone - he treats them as equals. One thing in Starcraft that should be noted is that leaders of each faction engaged in dialogue, either to convince their enemy to surrender or make a compromise when things get too rough. There is a civility to it, and clearly is expected that leaders would be permitted some allowance for discussing terms and conditions. The only exceptions being that when the enemy is clearly unable to oppose the reigning force, in which they typically were broken down and devastated. (This plays into the fact this is a war larger than what is on screen, you are just a Commander who happened to lead the forces that reach a specific end. All other fronts, battles and skirmishes are completely out of sight, but close or even relevant to the battle the player is a part of.)
>>96635951>which is by definition a reigning commander.Nope, that was Magistrate, who was commanding on Mar Sara and it's colonial militia.>One thing in Starcraft that should be noted is that leaders of each faction engaged in dialogue, either to convince their enemy to surrender or make a compromise when things get too rough.Like Confederacy and Fringe Worlds?Like Dominion and Confederacy? Like UED and Dominion?
>>96636125What argument are you trying to make? Yeah - the Magistrate is the Supreme Authority? Do you not understand what 'treated as equals' means, and that Raynor only was permitted to talk because he HAD that authority?If Raynor were just a shitass Marine, he'd never be given the time of day on any net whatsoever in the campaign.
>>96634463At best such approach would make Amon side look more active force rather than scripted enemies, waiting to be killed by Mary Sue. Everything else will remain the same.>>also Raynor now gets to choose between Tychus and Kerrigan at the end of WoLThen you would need to rewrite the whole story with asspull prophecy because most of the players would waste Queen of Blades.>>96636563>Do you not understand what 'treated as equals' means, and that Raynor only was permitted to talk because he HAD that authority?He had zero authority. When you meet him he doesn't have any troops with him. He is marshall of some backwater (literally called Wasteland if I remember correctly) part of the backwater planet.
>>96636125>Like Dominion and Confederacy?Seeing as they literally rescued and recruited Duke, that's not the best argument.
>>96636807>At best such approach would make Amon side look more active force rather than scripted enemies,An entire campaign working for Amon might actually give his forces and hybrids some personality. I've no idea why Blizzard didn't do a villain campaign for SC2; that shit helped flesh out antagonist factions in their previous games. Like, imagine if instead of us getting to follow Arthas' journey further into damnation and how he resurrects Kel'Thuzad and destroys Dalaran, WC3's undead campaign was about a group of undead who broke free and became heroic underdogs trying to stop the Lich King*. Just think how characterless the Scourge would be without the player spending an entire campaign helping Arthas ruin the world further with his skeletal new buddies. Or if Brood War's Terran campaign had not put the player in the shoes of a UED officer, the lovely fascists from Earth would have been completely flat if we didn’t get to play as one of them for an entire campaign.>basically FTF's forsaken missions, but in vanilla WC3 and with (supposedly) far more heroic leads and the player not having any time to get familiar with how Scourge operates from an insider's perspective
>>96635639You change your argument every time it's convenient. My mistake for expecting a brown to capable of honesty or shame. Oh well, you can keep seething in a broken attempt at your betters' language if admitting you were wrong is too painful for you.
>>96637203this, Mengsk is even shocked when Dugalle announces he intends to execute him and his commanding officers after Mengsk surrenders to the UED. Clearly such things are unprecedented but the brown zoomer never played SC1 so he's just winging it.
I'm not gonna lie, I'd really enjoy painting up some Tal'Darim. Alarak was a great reprieve from the idiocy of SCII.Other than that just a Hydra and a Siege Tank or something to sit on the shelf would be nice.
>>96639320>40k fans think this looks like an eldar
>>96635902Which is why it's such a shame you're a midwitted brown instead of an honorary aryan yellow, brownie
>>96637203>Seeing as they literally rescued and recruited DukeNot out of civility, but because Duke was a valuable asset (Duke even commentw that he didn't have any real choice but to join Sons of Korhal when you rescue him). Meanwhile Tarsonis with Confederacy government and all civilians were fed to zerg by Mengsk. Confederacy itself used nukes to pacify Korhal, Mengsk and his entire family were sentenced to death. >>96638691>You change your argument every time it's convenient.LOLNone of the discussed traits of Raynor doesn't make him compelling or interesting character, he is still bland. But if this is hill you wish to die on, so be it anon.
>>96639368I've already said I am christian, so by default I am not as brown as red blooded "see you in valhalla saar" tradmerican.
>>96627495>>96627495>raynor wasn't even a character>>96639439>raynor is a bland characterYou've redefined your argument in almost every single post and completely dropped points when they no longer suited you.>>96633452>2/3 of Raynor's appearances in SC1 and BW (outside of terran campaign, where Magistrate is main character, who carries Raynor's sorry ass) were simping for Kerrigan.Raynor is nothing but a kerrigan simp.\>>96634364 (showing Raynor spoke with Kerrigan 3 times total)>>96635639 >Mucho texto for "jimmy was goodly two shoes who lost a friend because his other friend turned out to be manipulative bad guy"Raynor is just mad because he's a goody two-shoes who lost a friendYou are legitimately a subhuman. Christ was forced upon you by your betters because your people are godless abominations. You seethe at the mirror and take out your frustrations by slandering the creations of white people. What flavor of brown are you? Are you too ashamed to admit it? I want to laugh at your lineage. specifically.
>>96639361It's not their fault anon they're retarded>>96639439Man, Confederacy vs SoK was fun.>ywn be a colonial magistrate sending vulture bikes to put down rebels and zerglings
>>96639491All points are more or less valid. It was you threw a tantrum claiming that his one line in BW Zerg campaign makes him a compelling character.>Christ was forced upon you by your betters because your people are godless abominations.Quite opposite. It was our legates who brought teching of the Christ to your ancestors on Albion or Rhein.
>>96639549>conflicting points are more or less validNope!>nafri larping as a romankek, you faggots got conquered by every people who ever set eyes on you.>think you're hot shit because you can enslave sub-saharans>get conquered by phoenecians >get conquered by carthaginians>get conquered by romans>get conquered by muslims>get conquered by christian europe>get so brutally colonized that your only form of striking back at the European man is to criticize starcraftA cursed existence. You may have the last word, brown "person." It seems important to you and you'll only use it to seethe some more, anyways.
>>96639569>Nope!Yep. They aren't conflicting.>kek, you faggots got conquered by every people who ever set eyes on you.But enough about your harsh days in Detroit suburb.
>>96630347>everything I don’t like is LE SLOP>muh zoomers REEEEEEEEEEEEEEconcession accepted
>>96640797sc2 is shit thoughbeit
>>96639464>admits to being brown>thanks being a christcuck will save himSAARDO NOT REDEEM THE RAYNOR SAARHE IS TOO AMERICAN TO BE LIKABLE CHARACTER SAAR
>>96639588>They aren't conflicting.Do you really not understand basically english, brownoid?
>>96494164>Starcraft only has 3 factionsBut tons of subfactions.>dominion>Umojans>UED remnants>Kel-morians>Auir Toss>Tal'darim >Fanatic xel'naga worshippers>robo toss>Zagara's main swarm>Abathurs rogue swarm>Primal zerg>various feral or other random broods like that one queen kerrigan dumped onto the protoss ship>infested
>>96641715Of those, only Infested would make for an actually interesting subfaction with actually interesting minis that lets you soup together zerg and terran units. The rest are just reskins of existing units that maybe have some unit restrictions for flavor.
>>96641303SAARDO NOT REDEEM CHRISTKEKERY!REMEMBER TRVE WHITE FAITH!SEE YOU IN VALHALLA SAAR!
>>96641886IMO, Primal Zerg have a chance if they will use something simmiliar to Tyranids synapses mechanic for normal Zerg.
>>96639361It's pretty much Warp Spider Exarch with skirt
>>96642524>jagged, segmented black plate armor>sunken, glowing eyes>uneven, jagged head crest>energy bladesvs>tight, tactical armor>conical helmet that conceals a more or less human head>physical swords (and guns)>some giant shoulder apparatuswhen are 40k fags gonna post something the protoss are actually similar to
>>96642116>brownie tries to call white people a different kind of brownienever gets old that you guys know your best possible insult is "you are like me." what a wretched existence.
If the Starcraft tabletop game does well enough, I hope they do a Warcraft game eventually.
>>96645738FOR THE HORDE!
>>96645738Trooncoded post
>>96645879>Obsessed with tranniesSee a doctor, nobody sees trannies as much as you do
>>96645902>t.ranny
>>96646015>Implying implications
>>96645773
>>96468044Wings of liberty was based in 2010 and im tired of pretending like it wasnt
>>96645738>Sylvanas miniature with YOU FUCKING LOSE written for it as a ruleNo, god no.
>>96468044I still can’t get over we went from the Queen Bitch of the Universe to literally just Jean Grey from Marvel.
>>96646433>raynor's last appearance in broodwar vs first appearance in WoL
>>96646439By the end of SC2 I was kind of rooting for Mengsk, mainly just out of alternatives.
>>96645184>>tight, tactical armor>tacticalLOLIt's literally the same magical plates from unknown sci-fi material.>>uneven, jagged head crest>>conical helmetFfs, it's bliterally the same shape.>>physical swords (and guns)You do realise you can paint them as energy blades as well, right?>>some giant shoulder apparatusAs opposed to some giant backpack along with WoW-tier pauldrons like here: >>96639535
>>96646703>tacticalin appearance, not origin, you willfully obtuse faggot. the protoss in that pic looked like fucking fantasy platemail. You're gonna tell me thats what the eldar are wearing in your pic?>same shapeAnd one is their fucking HEAD, the others look like humans and wear helmets. If you want to get autistic and say that doesn't matter, the protoss's head is covered in uneven ridges>you can paint themNigger you can modify models however the fuck you want. You can proxy a mdoel zealot and call it an eldar, that wouldn't mean blizzard's depiction of protoss and GWs depiction of eldar are similar. Power weapons in 40k are fields around physical weapons anways. Zealot blades are energy like a light saber. You are genuinely trying your best to be a huge faggot and succeeding.>As opposed to some giant backpack along with WoW-tier pauldrons like here>links a different photo>pretends it has a backpack>says it looks like WoWSo WoW looks like 40k eldar now, too? What the fuck are you even trying to say?
>>96646771>in appearance,In appearance red plastic armor doesn't tactical either.>, the others look like humans and wear helmets."in appearance, not origin"(c)>Nigger you can modify models however the fuck you want. You can proxy a mdoel zealot and call it an eldar, that wouldn't mean blizzard's depiction of protoss and GWs depiction of eldar are similar. Power weapons in 40k are fields around physical weapons anways. Zealot blades are energy like a light saber. You are genuinely trying your best to be a huge faggot and succeeding.So we tralking about origin, not appearance.again.>>links a different photoOf the same character.>>pretends it has a backpackIt's clearly visible somekind of gear mounted on Alarak's back. Yeah I would call it backpack.>So WoW looks like 40k eldar now, too?No anon, I've said " WoW-tier pauldrons". Eldar don't have such oversized pauldrons, WoW however is infamous for it's trash armor design.
>>96646825>Describes protoss as having trash WoW armor design>Says 40k does not have trash WoW armor design>in a post saying protoss look like something from 40kYour IQ is below 90, you're comfortable around niggers, I'm not wasting time with you.
>>96647183>>Describes protoss as having trash WoW armor design I said it only about shoulders in return to :>>some giant shoulder apparatus>>Says 40k does not have trash WoW armor designYet again not what I said. Try to pay attention /v/ermin
>>96646771>and say that doesn't matter, the protoss's head is covered in uneven ridgesAnd some eldar helmets (farseers, warlocks, dire avengers etc have brow and side ridges)
I get why people are arguing about the starcraft plot, but in the terms of this game the only thing I really care about is if the minis are nice and the game is fun. Blizzard writes garbage stories, fork found in kitchen. They have been writing garbage longer than they wrote quality material.Much more importantly the zerg models look good and I want to paint them
>>96647518sc1 units had a great vibe for an isometric rts on a crt monitor. Hopefully they adapt them well to little 3d guys. They'll need to change it up a little and that's always a tightrope.
>>96647759Didn't they said that all models are going to be based on SC2 with possible release of SC1 exclusive units in the future?
>>96647794Ah, that sucks, but is pretty obvious in hindsight.
>>96634463Okay here is my fanfic ideas of how to fix SC2>Amon used some Xel'Naga magic to predict terran possible arrival and arranged their misjump into Koprulu sector >Keystone was created durring Xel'Naga manipulation with the zerg as failsafe mechanism but didn't work due to Amon's intervention>Amon baited Overmind into creating Queen of Blades to later use her as psi-battery to revive itself >Hybrids are actually dreadful, but still on early stage of development and relatively primitive (like one you meet in WoL and HotS campaigns)>WoL campaign is splitted between UED remnants (first missions starts right after BW ending and serves as tutorial) who starting to search for Duran only to find abandoned complex with Duran's skin lying on the floor and Raynor's Raiders (pretty much the same, with few UED optional missions about them sending message to Earth and retreaving schematics for psi-disruptor)>HotS campaign is now splitted between Duran's first fully sentinent hybrid who starts to act to assume most of the Zerg swarm after WoL and Kerrigan who learns about Primal Zerg and how Overmind was able to NOM Xel'Naga in order to battle Amon (like TFT Scourge campaign)>Korhal gets Dalaran'd at the end of Zerg campaign by Hybrid and Amon>LoV pretty much the same, but Amon made some upgrades, so the only way to kill him for good is mutual destruction with Kerrigan>fin every zerg except primal zerg dies in the process, Stukov's ashes finally returning home, Raynor returns to the bottom of bottle at Mar Sara, Matt returns to collar and ball-gag.
>>96539233>HotS doesn't have interesting charactersThat's his whole point. He called Abathur "meh at best" and says that he only looks fantastic IN COMPARISON to how shit the rest of HotS is.
