Creepy Creatures Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96462903>TQWhat 2 cost creature do you find actually creative?
>tqHauken for being a looter that lets you play the cards you threw away.
>>96470158Are we currently living in the worst Magic era?
>>96470158>TQThis is the only 2-drop in recent history (outside maybe Springheart Nantuko) that stands out to me, though it more just makes me wish they would go all-in on a fossil-themed set. It's really bizarre that they would do all the different pop culture clichés with their own unique planes, and yet Lost Caverns of Ixalan is the closest they've ever come to a paleontology-themed set.
stop making new threads cunt
>>96470195It might be, but we won't really know until a year or two after this stuff settles. If a year of all-time-high sales either start to fall off or result in no additional investment in Magic as a competitive game, it might be the worst point, or even the point where the game dies.
Not sure if this is the right thread, but any recommendations on high-volume binders?
Paupers status?
>>96470653Sanseking, 2304 slots.
Mister NegativeLegendary Creature - Human VillainVigilance, lifelinkWhen ~ enters, you may exchange your life total with target opponent. If you lose life this way, draw that many cards.
This is probably something that'll kill you in limited.
And a Red self-bite.
>>96471532holy shit
>>96470660Eh. 3 mana answers don't cut it in pauper.
>>96470660Anon, Counterspell is legal.
So an interesting thing about the whole kerfuffle with Spider-UK's art is the artist actually responded and basically it's "art direction is stricter with UB stuff and a lot of small changes had to be made". https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1n6lxkd/spm_spideruk/nc6vthl/The full-resolution image is a lot more clearly not-AI, you can even see the missing finger, it's just sort of lost in the low-res of the card image.
>>96471891>clearly not A.I.Lol wut? Just looking at the cars I can tell it's A.I. why is that one buss so damn big? Its like twice as wide as a single lane... the turning cars look strange, like they are stretching or something. the perspective seems fucking off. Like im looking at this image through a rounded mirror or something.
>>96471956Perspective being fucky doesn't mean AI.
>>96471978The odd details of the cars has little to do with perspective, why is the one bus the size of two lanes?
>>96471532WHAT.
>>96471993It's meant to be a perspective thing, it's bigger because it's closer and it seems to fill more space with width than it actually does because of the angle you're looking at it at. I won't say it's perfectly done but that's clearly the idea.
>>96471891I never thought it was AI, but the whole fiasco is the reason why you don't hire self-taught artists.If an artist can't be fucked to learn the literal most basic shit like one-point perspective, they don't deserve a job at a major company.
>>96472016It's not perspective anon, the bus is in a two lane lane, the grey car behind it is in a two lane lane, the bus is literally takes up both lanes. This is a massive mistake that A.I. is common for, something a shit or lazy artist might miss when touching up a generated image. Very much like how the entire perspective of the picture seems to be curved or the flag being completely nonsensical.
Also, just have to mention:Fucking SHAME on the art director for not noticing the poor perspective, and demanding it be fixed. Any art director with even the smallest semblance of competence would be on this immediately.
>>96472051The artist provided an earlier version to show progress and that's still there. AI is notably terrible at actually doing 'progress', so either this was the one it made and the artist touched it up (unlikely) or they used AI to touch this up (also unlikely) or just didn't use AI and fucked up the perspective (more likely).Or you just don't understand how UK streets work. They're weird in cities.
>>96472051It is not AI. It is just incompetence.Self-taught artists practice literally only mere rendering. They have no foundations in basic technique, composition or anatomy so you end up with shit like this. Shit that "Looks good" to laymen without discernment, but crumbles under inspection.I find it hilarious that art laymen are now finally noticing shit that art professionals have railed against for years, but now they just attribute it to AI lmao.
Anyway, the Red Saga is Maximum Carnage, which makes sense. One More Day's probably not showing, thankfully.
>>96472082AI can literally do that anon. You can upload an image and tighten it's randomized bits enough to give you a slight variation on the base image or turn it into line art, pastel colors etc... this is with free version shit too I might add.UK streets don't have buses that take up two whole lanes in width.
Here's one of Spider-Man's two Mor-named Vampire villains.
And an illusion.
>>96472126It's Morlun Time.
>>96472126wtf exsanguinatebros
>>96472144Exsanguinate is Each so it's more relevant in COOMMANDER BABYYYY
>>96472117Anon he literally provided an image of the street he used as reference.
>>96472170wtf why is that bus taking up two lanes?
>>96472193Buses are just like that in cities. Urban planning is a fuck in the UK.
>>96472170>you cant use reference images in A.I. generationLol? >>96472193>>96472205That bus is taking up a single lane.The bus in Pic related is literally the width of the two lanes.
>>96472289
>>96472304Shut the fuck up.
>>96472304The Crisis on Infinite Threads continues
>>96472333>A thread talking about the game is shills because they aren't relentlessly screeching and flinging shit at everything
>>96472361Yes.
>>96472395I've been sticking in the threads that actually talk about the fucking game instead of just yelling about Jews.
Neat-ish equipment.
>>96472408>>96472408>It only ends when the (time) jannies start enforcing the rules againYou know what they say...with great power, there must also come great responsibility.
>>96472361Criticising is talking about the game, and putting derisive images in the op is also talking about the game. It doesn't have to be all the new cards all the time, mr marketer; if you slept you wait until it is time to make a new thread.
>>96472423>Every single fucking Equipment attaches on ETB nowWotCFor fuck sakeStop deleting Aura design spaceCard types have weaknesses for a fucking reason
>>96472419>>96472434>>96472451Why are you so desperate to split the thread that you made 4 of them?
>>96472450Making new threads while five already exist is just being an asshole.
WHAT
>>96472493>Everyone that doesn't agree with me HAS to be being paid for it
>>96472481This:>>96462918is when this shit started. I don't count the Maro thread, because it's much older and it was just funny seeing it hanging in the catalog.
>>96472493Learn how to use the site before trying to shit it up, thanks.
>>96472511No, but to disagree is so stupid the only way to give such people the benefit of the doubt is to assume they are getting paid to be such idiots.Being so stupid without getting paid for it is beyond what I am willing to accept as reasonable. Surely, people so moronic can't exist.
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>>96472530>I made threads deliberately to flood the board and fling shit and everybody who dislikes that is being paid to dislike it
>>96472540I think that the problem is that when the OP shows criticism of WotC, a new thread appears all of the sudden and some anons are fed up with the obvious shilling. >>96472553I can't recall the exact circumstances when the Maro thread got created, if there was a live-under bump limit thread already or wasn't. I am just admired at the tenacity of it. One thing I can tell you is that the Maro thread didn't start this shitshow.
>>96472601The problem is those threads were created entirely to just yell about things barely related to the game or just post the Bagel and go "AHHH THE JEWS".
>>96472505AVATAR LEAKS FROM 1994?!?!?!?
Oop, looks like they finally got to most of the threads. One of them's still up because it's at least vaguely about the game I guess.
>>96472601>some anonsIt's blatantly obvious one anon. He made the Maro thread early and got mad when nobody used it. Then he kept spamming the board with new shitty OPs and tries to sea lion about how everyone else is a shill.
>>96472612Yes but after >>96462903 this was posted.In any case it looks like it's over and guess what threads got deleted.
Anyway, the classic shot. Feels like it could've had a more generic name or they could've done this name for a Saga, though.
The threads are split.The thread splitter is.Accept it.
Cute flavour thing, getting over Walls because they all have defender.
>>96472714>random life gain in spider tribalstrong green cards?
>Spider Tribal finally gets support>It's only in fucking UB slop because WotC are too cowardly to print real Spiders because they might scare people
>>96472743
>>96472743Arenachads keep winning
>Best color at generating card advantage.>High-toughness creatures.>Near-unlimited card selection.I like how red just literally isn't red anymore.
>>96472714is there a way to make your opponents' creatures walls?
I don't really blame Maro. He has mentally checked out long ago. It's just a job now, but he used to be passionate. He's been involved in WotC in one form or another for longer than most anons' lives. He was there during the golden years. His design articles from the early '00s were awesome and those writings described the exact opposite of what this game has became. Now he's the public face for whatever bs Hasbro has decided to do. Most people would do the same in his position, he's ten years away from retirement anyway.
>>96471532>Moon Runes because the character is japaneseCan WotC stop being racist for one minute?>>96471546meh but I guess represents the character >>96472091That neck tho, I would fuck her for days>>96472126Shit.>>96472144This card only sees play in commander.>>96472423spiderkiller again?>>96472459Weaknesses doesn't sell.>>96472707cool.>>96472709The jannitors are taking care of the clones
If I steal your combo and kill you with it you can't be salty because it's your own bullshit combo
>>96473109I can because you're a thieving nigger
>>96473050Can you name Wall with this and then give it to them with Stiltzkin or Coveted Falcon or something? I'm unsure if making them a wall would give their creatures defender as well, though. Probably not
>>96473050You have a couple of cards that can give defender to a creature.
>>96473057I will always blame him. Him, Hasbro, Cummander faggots, investors, scalpers and all the bunch of braindead casuals that are killing Magic before our eyes.
>>96473158> I'm unsure if making them a wall would give their creatures defender as well, though. Probably notNo, it used to be the case years ago but they decided to change it since they didn't want a creature type to have an inherent effect.
Here he is.
And the least Black Black removal I've ever seen.
Land with basically web-slinging.
Oh guess Sun-Spider is in. Honestly surprised.
>>96470660every single similar card to anything in pauper meta is a straigh downgradethis set is ass
>>96472126>eater of spiders>targets playerdoes this mean we are no longer planeswalkers but SPIDERMAN IM SPIDER PICKLE MORTY
And a decent recurring Aura for limited.
>>96473286>SymbioteI'm so glad we're back to just vomiting random creature types all over. Bring back Uncle Istvan type already, you cowards!
>>96473249why the fuck cannot it use the OUTLAW group, this shit screams so much it was a last pivot to standar is not real
>>96473249>2B>Put target creature on the bottom if its owner's library.Because FUCK the color pie. The color pie does NOT EXIST.
>>96473225damn, I wasn't aware of that
>>96473210What do you expect him to do? If the company demands the R&D team to release 3000 new cards and 400 new legendaries every year, there's not much room for debate. No one is going to risk their lifelong career for a card game, not even Maro. I hate what's going on with mtg (I stopped playing in 2015) but Maro was there during its golden years so I'll cut him some slack.
>>96473249Why? Why would black need this effect?
>>96473303Imho the color pie hasn't been a thing since they gave every color a buffed Savannah Lions. That was the original sin. A vanilla 2/1 for 1 used to be (and should be) white and rare tier.
>>96473326I assume because they made the effect flavour-first and figured Black was the best to have it (Blue doesn't really do this sort of direct bounce, and White COULD do it but flavour-wise it's Black-associated).
>>96473336Facts. But that doesn't mean they should continue to break what little of the color pie is left.
>>96473263no fucking way, I asked about this a thread or two agothey actually put in some retarded cripple fan shitThey made Spider Man a big set to fit THIS in, this is what was so important they had to make it a big set
>>96473339>Blue doesn't really do this sort of direct bounceExcept it does. Sure, most of the time you get the choice of putting it on top or bottom, but they also gave blue the "shuffle a creature into a library". But now that I think about it making it blue would basically give blue murder and that's not a thing blue need.
>>96473421Yeah. It's more a White effect than anything, but White and Black have basically always been allowed to do the same things for creature removal.
>>96473348Well, she did win a competition, so that's why the character gets to show up even though it's really stupid
>>96473263Are we entertained yet? Which of this fucking spidermen is the worst?
>>96473441spiderman uses his fucking legs to get swing momentumhow the fuck can a leg cripple websing
>>96473464Her crutches fire the webbing, it's a whole specialised set-up.
>>96473494how does that generate pendulum liking swinging momentum?
>>96473507She's still got the spider-person hyper-flexibility, apparently. She has EDS, I'm not sure to what extent she can't move her legs, if it's just the legs or the whole hips or what.
>>96473507I've seen a few panels, and it seems like she has her wheelchair folded up and webbed to her; so my guess is that she holds herself up with the web, folds her chair, then falls. That way, the chair is used as a substitute for leg weight
>>96473536She's like a one-off character that originated as a fan-made Spidersona, I don't think there was TOO much thought put into it all. It works on the same logic a lot of other superpowers do. It just kind of does. The physics can be loose enough to make it look like it works.
>>96473507bitch we're talking people swinging around on spiderwebs, physics went out the window ages ago
>>96473526>>96473536sounds retarded
>>96473557Fair enough, but you also know how comic books are; where they explain practically every single thing if the writer wants to write it. So there's either no thought or too much thought for character designs.
>>96473244
>>96473244IT'S MORBIN' TI-Actually fuck off that card is boring as shit.
>>96473575Welcome to comic books
>>96473526>I'm not sure to what extent she can't move her legs, if it's just the legs or the whole hips or what.So they just....flail around? While she's fighting crime?Like spaghetti in a food fight?
>>96471546This is probably the most mechanically interesting card out of SPM so far. Its a good enabler, can help you push through damage and rewards your removal. It also is a slight hoser to self-sacrifice decks for your opponents in a pinch.I'm still not getting any of these cards on principle, but this is the only one that doesn't look like complete trash.
>White Spiderman>Black Spiderman>Indian Spiderman>Pig Spiderman>British Spiderman>Gwen Spiderman>Spiderwoman>Spiderman but it's Mary Jane and her daughter>Symbiote Spiderman>Symbiote Spiderman but Gwen>Spiderman noir>Iron Spiderman>Punk Spiderman>Future Spiderman>Mech-suit Spiderman>Superior Spiderman #1>Superior Spiderman #2>Cat Spiderman>Spiderman clone #1>Spiderman clone #2>Cosmic Spiderman>Sun Spider
>>96473650Have we had Gay Spider-Man as a card yet?
>>96473650Hot Dog Stand.
>>96473650This set feels very soulless man…
>>96473650ok but that's how comic books are.
>>96473464Stop whining and keep buying products like the good piggy you are
>>96473684So what you are saying is that it was Magic's job to actually provide a better Spider-Man experience than what the comics are currently offering but instead just said fuck it and they copied everything verbatim.
>>96473678It just feel bland, there isn't any interesting card, and the mechanics are boring. It just feels they expect the spider-man name to carry the set.
-1/-1 counters in lorwyn-1/-1 counters in Lorwyn-1/-1 counters in LORWYN-1/-1 COUNTERS IN LORWYN
>>96473730They are never bringing them back, morons don't understand how interactions between +1/+1 and -1/-1 work.
>>96473730>source:
>>96473730You will have gay elves regurgitated mechanics and shitty history anon. You are doomed, besides you still have to get through ATLA
>>96473730Sweet. The archetype is honestly inches away from being viable in Pioneer.
>>96473634I imagine they're kept stabilised somehow by her suit, I dunno the details. Again, extremely minor character.
Anyway here's Silk.Silk the WebspinnerLegendary Creature - Spider Human HeroWeb-slinging {1}{G}{W} Whenever you cast a creature spell, create a 1/1 green and white Human Citizen creature token.{3}{G}{W}: Creatures you control get +2/+2 and gain vigilance until end of turn.
>>96473772
Web-Slinging is such a shit mechanic lmfao.
if i wanted to play ninjutsu i would play Dimir JOTC.
I guess Bailey didn't make the cut. Good fuck this set.
>>96473819>Ninjutsu but it's not attackingTruly revolutionary design.
>>96473826Who.
>>96473256Actually not bad if you view it as a sort of ramp spell
>>96473835Spider-Boy, Spider-Man's forgotten Sidekick.
>>96473852Probably too new for that. And nobody reads recent Spider-Man comics, so he wasn't gonna get anything.I'm waiting for Mayday personally.
>>96473858he's about as new as Sun Spider and she got a card
>>96473892Bailey is from 2023. Sun-Spider is from 2020. That's quite a gap for recency.
>>96473781Good art, too bad the card is a directionless slog>muh selesnya go wide and pumpMy wife didn't deserve such shitty treatment
>>96473905Yeah I don't remotely get the flavour, I guess it's meant to be saving people or something, but it's very much a mechanics-first design.
By 2030 every mtg card will be a cat, a type food or a legendary creature.
Where Skips card?
>>96473661yes, all of them except the original one.
Back in my days you could buy 60 card decks for 7.5 bucks.
Oh, there's Mayday. Her card sucks, but you know.
And Silver Sable is just a modified limited support card.
>>96474243LOOTLOOT!!!LOOT, I FOUND SOME!!!! SEND OUT THE MASCECTOMOUSE SIGNAL!
>>96473684Comic books are gay and cringe
And this is a cute visual reference to the card Unmask by the same artist, and also a pretty damn good effect?
>>96474260>Card itself has nothing at all to do with Unmask>Not even the right colors.Stupid shit slop reference. I can respect Post though, he's alright. Likely WotC's fault.
>play prelim on MTGO for the first time in years>construct what I figure is a pretty solid sealed deck>both games mana screwed sitting with unplayable hands while opponent belches out ramp
This set will probably be used as a hallmark when mtg jumped the shark so bad that the game just starts to die for real and gets replaced by Commander the Gathering. I don't know how anyone with an ounce of self respect would want to play any constructed format anymore
>>96474259I think the only comic book I've ever read and enjoyed was Groo the Wanderer. Maybe some of the old Conan stuff.
>>96474253I'm not sure Silver Sable is a hero
>>96474253holy fucking shit this set is so fucking god damned boring and uninspired
>>96474316Judge Dredd is alright
>>96474279you need to play more lands in this format so thats less likely to happen
>>96474316>I think the only comic book I've ever read and enjoyed was Groo the Wanderer. Maybe some of the old Conan stuff.Valentin Secher "Elric" is peak comic. If you want to read some of the good stuff.
>>96474323She's not really evil. She's working with Spidey more often than against him.
>>96474285Nah we're well passed the jumping the shark moment.
>>96474285>This set will probably be used as a hallmark when mtg jumped the shark so bad that the game just starts to die for real and gets replaced by Commander the Gathering. I don't know how anyone with an ounce of self respect would want to play any constructed format anymoreRick was the shark. We're just living in a clown world where a corporation can totally self combust and somehow survive for decades on the backs of scalpers, resellers reselling to resellers, and FOMO alone.
>>96474348There's an Elric comic? Used to love the books in high school.
>>96474389>There's an Elric comic? Used to love the books in high school.Sure is. And it's literally one of the best pieces of media to come out of the modern age.
>>96473905>my wifeYour "wife" is breeding with each new creature played
>>96474389Elric has a lot of comics. Roy Thomas did a bunch, but there are some more recent ones which Moorcock thought were better than his books
>>96474399>which Moorcock thought were better than his booksMororcock was right. They are.
>>96474389Corum had some pretty trippy comics too. I preferred the novels but the art was very cool if you're into that acid 70's aesthetic I think there's a more modern version too.
>>96474399>>96474421Moorcock is an extremely humble guy when it comes to his abilities as an author. Pretty sure he once said he was a bad author with what he hoped were good ideas.Granted, seems like a lot of authors with that sense of drama and humor feel similarly. Vonnegut made his stand-in Kilgore a guy who has great ideas but can't write to save his life.
I'm starting to love the starter deck vs starter deck format on arena but seriously fuck the black/white deck, bunch of bullshit that one.Also what is this a screen for ants?
>>96474260I wish they had just plain reprinted unmask with this art
Does there happen to be any instances of old tournaments where someone made infinite mana then started comboing off only to get their combo disrupted or fizzle and they mana burn themselves to death?
>>96474243At last. I was beginning to wonder if she'd show up.
Image if Bagel and Schmear had ended being 0 mana like the design team wanted and people in eternal formats had to play it forever
>>96471532Another draw 20 in commanderThanks wotc for killing all formats for this shit then killing commander too
>>96472714Reveal when?
>>96471532>griselbrand but worseWhy are people shitting themselves over this?
>>96474667Unlikely. Big Wheel might still get a show though.
>>96474667Them just printing 10,000,000,000 versions of Spiderman instead of going balls deep on the stupid ass corny villains Spiderman had is pretty lame ngl
>won 3 out of 6 with anons odric buildhalf of the time he draws like shit and gets manascrewed, but the upside is that nobody ever targets my shit because of the infallible "hurr durr it's just a bunch of 1/1 who cares"-defense
>>96472742green is so retarded in life gain, tons of effects but no payoffs
>>96470736Does the qt girl come included?
>>96474909That's a guy, but no
>>96474260holy shit vivichads we got a powercrept monstrous rage
>>96474275This>>96474571What would possibly posess you to want this art over the original and in an inferior frame
>>96475238lol Vivi can't stop winning can she
>>96475466>she
>>96472117Look at the in progress version again, it's much harder to tell that the bus is too big. The art was clearly larger extended, which made the perspective issue much more noticeable.
>>96475515oh shit I don't know my final fantasy so I just guessed at gender.
>>96475550>genderIs the same thing as his sex which is male.
>>96474808Have we seen Leopardon or any tokusatsu Spiderman?
how to build deck that spits out big creatures in a short time and that dont get instagibbed by two mana removal?
>>96475610>how to build deck that spits out big creatures in a short time and that dont get instagibbed by two mana removal?Nykthos
How can we fix this fucking game?
>be me>browse arena>opponent surveils a demolition field into his graveyard>sweet>put down fountain port>he doesn't have another demolition field>produce two fishes over two turns>hitting my opponent twice>he then plays beza>in response sac a fish to draw card>opponent then resigns and runs the rope for game 2
>>96475628there is no fixing it anymore. Just enjoy the trainwreck
>>96475628>How can we fix this fucking game?Might have been possible a few years ago, maybe. Not anymore. It's just salvageable trash at this point.
>>96475628literally all it needs is a more aggressive ban cyclemore cards with longer standard lives means you need regular bans to keep constructed formats freshplus, not waiting months to remove ass cancer from your formats is generally a good thing
>>96475668Standard is dead regardless of bans. It can't be saved. The game is being held up solely by Commander.
>>96475628Resurrect PioneerStart banning shit from Standard at higher paceDestroy the UB cycle and rescue blocksNo more 3 years rotation back to 2Fire terrible designers, stop the fire designThere Magic saved
>>96475668They shouldn't need to ban much of anything, the problem is the play design team failing to playtest and lack of competency combined with a wider poor design ethos.
>>96475698Well, yes and noThe game could do with tighter design, but I think a certain amount of sloppiness is inevitable when you release new sets as frequently as they do and need to create new cards and new mechanics for each of themPlus, what is most dominant at any one time might not even necessarily be the best deck- bans are not just to rectify design mistakes, they can and should also be used to freshen up the format. Investoids will complain but fuck those niggers.
Insidious roots needs a ban. Vivi needs a ban.Omniscience needs a ban.Any deck that results in a player being able to spend a turn doing any more than two or three things in total is proof of garbage design.
>>96473297Even more retarded is that Villains aren't Outlaws, because Marvel wanted to be super-special.
>>96475749>Any deck that results in a player being able to spend a turn doing any more than two or three things in total is proof of garbage design.Decent metric.
>>96475749>Insidious RootNo.>ViviYes. Absolutely>OmniscienceMeh with the power of current threats i don't think is needed>NemesisNOW this is a card that shouldnt exist in any format.
>>96475774Wrong. Insidious Roots and Omniscience need bans. It doesn't matter the current threats. Those get banned and now you have Omniscience again. And we can't forget that you can Kona Omniscience into play on turn 3-4 thanks to the convenient station mechanics.
>>96475595Unfortunately, no.
>>96475784I can understand your case for Omni, still look at current Standard is not even playable. But what's your point for Roots?
>>96475807Kona-Station-Omni is viable. JOTC should’ve just banned it instead of using Awakening as a scapegoat
>>96475628Go back in time, acquire WotC and close it down right after Lorwyn. Retain property rights and trademarks for everything related to Magic. End the game at its peak and keep the good memories alive forever. You can't fight market forces. WotC is only trying to maximize its profit, quality and consitency be damned.
>>96475807Roots because it's an incredibly annoying deck that results in the player wasting a whole lot of time spamming triggers.
>>96475749>Insidious roots needs a ban.I love this general so much bros
>>96475595Wasn't gonna happen because Marvel doesn't really own the rights to Leopardon and without that it'd just be "somebody in the exact same Spider-Man suit as normal".
>I hurt myself today>To see if I still feel>I focus on the pain>The only thing that's real
>>96475880>The Hot Dog Cart tears a hole>The old familiar Hot Dog Cart>Try to kill it all away>But I remember every Hot Dog Cart
>>96475860All combo cards need a ban.
This set has so many trash cards anons...
>>96475964bro, but your [insert generic draft signpost uncommon carbon copy from previous 15 sets] bro????Your [insert low-effort slop common design interchangeable between sets but now with a random spiderman character nonsensically stapled to it] bro??????????
>2025... I'm forgotten
>>96476130I would take that Dr.Who commander set over City Pigeon, Hot Dog Cart, India Spider-Man, Rent is Due, Pic related and etc and etc any day of the week. This set is a complete embarrassment for Magic as a brand. It should have been at best a Secret Lair.
>>96476130It gave me Return the Past, and Delete. For that I am grateful.
Greasefang it's too powerful in Pioneer but I personally find it to be a really unpleasant card. Probably the card I hate most in the entire format.
>>96476300>Too powerfulCompletely disagree. Right now the bans that Pioneer needs are: Cruise, Fable, Cutter, Rage and Nemesis. The rat is strong but not even close to being as problematic as these cards.Also i think some unbans would help shake the meta like Ballista, Inverter or Uro.
>>96476342I meant to type not too powerful. I agree it's not too strong of a deck, it just has a fundamentally unhealthy and unfun play pattern. Ban Parhelion imo if you do a big ban waveuro is far too strong to unban
>>96476367What would you unban to shake the format then anon?
>>96476130Good.
>>96476375I don't think you need to unban anything, just hit a lot of the red stuff and see what happens. If I had to pick then probably Lurrus I feel like almost all of the cards on the pioneer banlist deserve to be there.
>>96474260>>96475238>Strongest instant-speed single-target polymorphing spell they've printed, maybe ever>Creature doesn't lose any abilities>For one mana>Plus it can double as a protection spellThis genuinely might break standard at some point, even if it's after they ban Vivi.
Premodern = soul
>>96476489I can't imagine flying or vigilance will matter much because that means you'd have to cast it before attacking. Might be cute, though.
>>96473244There is no reason, other than it being a licensed tie-in, that this needs tobe legendary.This design space is also GB, not blue-black.
>>96476546It's most relevant for Legacy Infect, and maybe a little bit for Modern Infect. Pitches to FoW, acts as a protection or damage spell, instant speed, provides evasion, and provides combat tricks when combined with another lorebreaking card Legolas's Quick Reflexes on Noble Hierarch. Still won't be putting it in my deck until we get the lore friendly printing in paper.
>Dune UB up next i'm tired boss
>>96474637Plenty of combo and non-combo decks could burn themselves out, but I can't think of any that had to make 1,000,000 mana instead of just meting it out as needed, like Palinchron or Basalt Monolith combos. Of big mana combo decks, Prosperous Bloom burned out often, since it needed to float mana before casting Natural Balance and had no guarantee of finding Drain Life. Often the player also had 0 life when it fizzled.
Im building a fluffy tribal deck for my students since they’re learning the gameThey’ve played 1 game with very simple spells but these are for them to learn more mechanics with cute creatures. Are the power levels similar? I want them to be balanced vs each otherMiccehttps://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/04-09-25-Paa-mice/Frogs https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/frogs-gu/
>>96476130>doctor bongAssassin's creed is even more forgotten
>>96476593There's literally no proof of this except some asshole in one of these threads saying it.
>Kpop UB soon™...maybe i'm stupid but i'm sure i read this somewhere (not here), maybe sometimes i just imagine the shitpost
>>96476728leaker here, it comes after the Palestine vs Israel UB
>>96476728It was some vague non-statement Chris Cox said.
>>96476698Hard to say without actually playing them, my hunch is that the frogs are stronger though.
>>96476130and for good reason
>>96476813I felt that way too. It has more synergy and card draw and ways to shut down the mice.I was afraid to add heartfire heroes, my LGS only has 1 in stock anyway. I could pivot to black instead of red and go bats, or go green and into rabbits but managing/finding tokens is so annoyingI also added a 3rd valley quest caller.
>>96476130say what you want, but Dr Who had great fucking artit mogs Spiderman so hard it isn't funny
>>96476991Tokens are easy if you're sticking with just one type, you can get any cards. One dude at my LGS always used Pokemon cards. Or even use scraps of paper and have them draw pictures.You're probably not going to be able to find a perfect balance, so don't worry about it too much as long as it's not too bad. Maybe have more than two options if you're really worried about it.
https://sdqk.me/p/mtgo-questioner-Sq0B2Afe?_sqf=GGqWpNkKnew survey just dropped
>>96473740That's not an issue with morons, that's an issue with the interactions between those counters not making any sense. The whole annihilation mechanic is fucking stupid and creates more problems than it solves.
>>96476728You'll love the /mlp/ UB set. This entire general will have to move boards for it.
How bad do sets have to get before the scalpers brute forcing infinite sales start to lose faith?
>>96477000>great fucking art>NOOOOOOOOOO MY GOBLET>MARTHA MY GOBLET IS GLOWING GOLD NOOOOO HOW COULD THEY DO THIS>THE MEN IN RED ROBES ARE MAKING MY GOBLET GLOW MARTHA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>96476728It was said in the investors/shareholders call as an example of what markets theyre looking to exploit moving forward with universes beyond. The markets being 'whichever will produce the most money'.
>>96477239How bad does the stock market have to get before the traders who built their livelihoods on it start to lose faith?
>>96477316>How bad does the stock market have to get before the traders who built their livelihoods on it start to lose faith?... fugg...
>>96476130>>96476702EVERY UB SET IS A MASSIVE SUCCESS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THEM
Please like ub
>>96474208they should bring back champion decks
Reminder that as a UB card, Vivi is de facto Reserved List.
Trojan War UB when?
>>96476546I was thinking within the context of something like Drake Hatcher, which would want evasion to get around one-drops like Cecil, but I wasn't aware Relic's Roar existed, so maybe the protection mode will make it worth playing in standard rather than something that only sees play in pauper.
>>96477581every single deck has creatures on turns 1-2 now so evasion is extremely relevant
>>96475668>literally all it needs is a more aggressive ban cycleThey banned 7 fucking cards, probably the most banned cards in a single ban in standard in the history of the game, and standard is still shit. Banning more aggressively will change nothing, they just need to do their fucking job and playtest better.
>>96470660this for my pauper madness
>>96477852I hate how flavor text needs to include the name of the person saying it>Standard is flourishing-Mark Rosewater, lying piece of shit
>>96477547Literally any rare/mythic is de facto reserved list.
>>96474237>and then he morbed all over the place
>>96477946What's wrong with including the name of the person saying a quote? Magic cards have always done that.
