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>>96473313https://imgchest.com/p/5xy22anpnylhttps://rentry.org/outer_reincarnation_informationChronological Build ListA Hero of Justice https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96470769Moonman https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96459760Wanderer above the Sea of Fog https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96441041Speedster Spider https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412603Demonic Nightmare Maker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96379796The Black Messiah (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96430522Flagellant Gambler https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96411399The Jötunnsdrottninggen https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381145Ithyl Twynis https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381847Y'Sereth, King among Kings https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382717Queen of Mamet https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382899Orkhalorkhan https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415856Father of the Paracausal Arts https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96452392The Wandering Professor (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96428837Vëe the Dream Librarian https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96393021Demon King of the Dead (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96386307/#96391919Krinak, Syn Ufroka https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96399372The Book of the Damned https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96426011Ҁ Ф ʌ https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96467167Faina Aureole (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96447556Unnotable Lich https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96406404Escher https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96395910Foolish Dreamer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96398017Vai https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96399427Mer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96400248
>>96473329Aurum Arc the Golden Finger https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96400560Red Drakonid (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96429221King of The Exarchate (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96416022Qarg the Conqueror https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404302Son of Man (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404724The Inquisitor https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96406963Ultimate Scholar (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407218Student https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407496The Return of the King (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407523Liriel, The Veilbreaker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96451577Balrog the Emerald King https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96427173One-Woman Band https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412498Ellavan "Ella" Aureole (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412568Ren, Demon Lord of SRTR https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415916HeWillWin https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415920Goku Sasuke Master Chief Kakarot https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96427458Zyneheart https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96423015Numerological Demon Lord https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96447883Manusya, the Unwritten https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96425679Fir Dahort https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96428141Warlord (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96430436Liadan - Unbegotten Dreamer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96463819He`el https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96431341Rozir, the Vagabond King of Hexen https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96445292Neophyte Sevastian https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96445422
>>96473334The Silk Matron https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96452816The White Prophet https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96454351Led https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96458991Aphainoumenos, Last Demon Prince https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96459966Ars Goetia https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96461924Thaumaradrak https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96468757/#96471990Valar https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96471461
>>96473329Rename the Toybox to Theta for obvious reasons.
>>96473389No, the builds in the toybox are not in any specific world, so calling the section Theta is misleading.
>>96473412NTA and seconding Theta as Theta (Toybox) because it's cool and Meaningful
What CYOA is the best for industrial-scale violence? I don't mean personal power, I mean leveraging a lot of interlocking parts to inflict maximum destruction on a strong and motivated opponent.
>>96473468Entropist
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>>96473930>1/4
>>96474001The bibble is a work a ficshun
>>96473930You poor thing
>>96474037wrong
>>96474001To be clear I am mostly challenging you because you seem motivated to answer.Your source seems to be mostly the bible narrative and that's cute and all but self contained. You do mention archaeological evidence of Jesus Christ, a claim I cannot confirm in cursory google-research which is odd given the gravity of the claim, and odder because that would be THE relic of our times. No other evidence would indicate anything about the wound through Longinus and that leads me to the conclusion you are presenting confused thoughts. Correct me if I am wrong.
>>96474050Prove it
>Reddit CYOA>States all characters are 18 years and older in a bold disclaimer at the beginning of the CYOAWhy do they do this bruh?
>>96474051Also, you both claim there is no body yet also archaeological evidence of a wound. Lmao
>>96474059they think it convinces people
>>96474059They're afraid of police kicking in their door.
>>96474059Europeans still laugh at Americans for screaming “oh my bad is sixteen and he is twenty four ITS A PEDOOOO” as though fourteen year olds in mainland Europe aren’t sexing grown men. Humans are retarded for thinking teens aren’t humans too.
>>96474063Convinces people of what? Why can't just state characters to be underage like Tankista for example. He has a 14 year old player engage in sexual relations with another character. Even Italics has mature content with young characters in his CYOAs.Why do they make it 18+ if these two don't do it?
>>96474119Because they’re likely American authors? Everything >>96474117 said is 100% accurate. For some reason Americans think teenagers don’t have horny thoughts until they turn eighteen. They’re terrified of being seen as creepers.
A fourteen year old “groupie” had sex with David Bowie when he was in his twenties and she still brags about it to this day. “Haha I lost my virginity to a famous musician coveted by endless women and you didn’t haha”.
Looks like we got Silksong before Exalted Conquest.
>>96474207>>96474165The issue lies with the adult that gives in to being with a teen as they should know better.
>>96474216What's Silksong?
>>96474059Same people leave a saucer of milk out for the fey. Reddit admins are fickle creatures.
>>96474234Seems fake, this doesn't prove anything
>>96474165Italics is an American author though.
>>96474220It's a sidescrolling platformer about a loud skinny bug woman, and the sequel released seven years later to Hollow Knight, which was also a sidescrolling platformer but the main character was a silent short bug man. There's a lot of voice acting in a gibberish-sounding bug language. For some reason, Silksong was so heavily anticipated that it crashed Steam's servers for several hours on release. Exalted Conquest is also heavily anticipated but I was convinced we'd get it before Silksong actually released.
>>96474234>He's backDidn't you die from cancer?
>>96473366I'd most likely still go for a hybrid caster/martial build (heavily leaning towards the caster side), depending on the options available to me. Icon of Icons is a must.First thing I'd do is travel the world looking for mentors and increasing my skillset and power in any way I can. And just enjoy life, really. At some point during all this I'm going to try to "invent" some common earth objects. I don't want to shit in an outhouse for the next hundred years.Then I unite the humans of the Dorian continent under my banner, train and uplift them, and start bullying other races into doing the things that I want and not doing the things that I don't want. True Dragons are probably my first stop, but Elves and other groups with nasty propensities like slavery are soon after. Going after immortal races first, I would hope that the Elder Gods would tip the scales slightly in my favor.I wouldn't place any particular preference on becoming a hero or villain within the story. I'd imagine that your view on that would depend on who you are and how much I've fucked you over/helped you, and how the story develops.I'm not sure how Vtorusha would slot in at this point, but I'd probably oppose her because it'd be more fun to do so. A magitech arms race sounds fun. Whether I die and she wins, or she dies and I win, or we both die and no one wins, or we talk it out, it'd be more interesting than just siding with her.If I live long enough, I will probably also oppose Aat on the basis that we both want power and our goals naturally conflict. Not to mention the creation of demon lords was huge mistake.After that, the timeline has changed too much to really say anything more about it. I guess Savmak would probably oppose me but he's a jobber.>words words wordsEssentially I'd just stir shit up until someone kills me
>>96474216>SilksongIt's the death of my participation to the thread, see you in a week bros
>>96474218Dude they’re both consenting. Are you retarded.
>>96474375Have fun!
>>96474375>A single mention of an indie game destroyed anon's mental.Is it really that strong?
>>96474333He rose after 3 days (who is it)
>>96474375i hate to say it but i don't think you will miss anything in this week of absence
>>96474403See for yourself, fitgirl got you covered.It's pretty good but if he takes more than 3 days he is a scrub. I say that as an abysmal player.
>>96474417He might miss the child creation oc, an ersatz update, and dungeon delver 2
>>96474430He will get them all at once instead of waiting. Isn't that better?
>>96474430What's Ersatz
>>96474442He won't get to enjoy them with us, and I won't get to enjoy them with him....Still, I am glad for himI will probably be playing silksong too soon (But still checking in every now and then)>>96474454The RYOA for outer reincarnationIts on the info rentry
>>96474459>ErsatzOh. And I would care why?
>>96474459>He won't get to enjoy them with us, and I won't get to enjoy them with him....The initial burst of the Tide is over, it's okay.
>>96474466You wouldn'tYou would sit in a corner and wait till you diedThats the only route for an esteemed logician such as yourself>>96474474I know, I know
>>96474487Let me rephrase: what makes this worthwhile compared to continued obsession over the actual OR?
>>96474459>RYOA>outer reincarnationseems miserable
>>96474500>>96474502It's just something fun to look into5-10 minutes of amusement
>>96474474NO! WE WILL PLAY IT AGAIN AND THEN THE CHILD ADD-ON AND THEN WE WILL MAKE TWELFTH AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT BUILDS AND WAIFUS AND PLANSI CAN'T GO BACK TO DYINGS THREAD SHITPOSTED TO OBLIVION BY TOK YOU CAN'T MAKE ME I FUCKING DARE YOU
>>96474530>Arabs out of nowhere.Nevermind, I should've recognised it was you physicskike. I'll add "pedophile" to your list of traits and another reason why you deserve to get put in a gas chamber like your ancestors.
>>96474386And one has a clear advantage over the other who hasn't fully developed. The reason this doesn't work is because we've seen what happens when we let adults take advantage of immature teens. Abuse, suicide, mental disorders, depression and generally fucked up people often trapped in relationships they cannot escape from. This goes for both boys and girls but happens more often with girls for obvious reasons.
These CYOA really are slop; pure slop, but they are bite sized and easily digestible. Which I'm kind of down for every now and again. Anyway Beholder-er A general GeneralExplorer Suit. Beholders are bullshit magical death machines at a base level, getting to shit out a hive of them is pretty insane. Dawn of War, Warcraft, Command and Conquer and other such bullshit being added on top is nation toppling tier stuff. The explorer suit is a complete fucking outlier. Just the most absurd thing on the list, there is nothing as good as it. Time travel, alternate universe hopping. It alone would be worth taking with literally nothing else.
>>96474559Don't bother with the pedos anon. They'll just ask you to mathematically prove that fucking kids is bad.
>>96474522You shouldn't use "jak"'s anonThey are unbecoming of you
>>96474568>Pick 3Always felt like these gift of faves cyoas give you too many options
>>96474516i dunno man i think you are underestimating how well adjusted some teenagers are and how many impulsive adults there are out there
>Jew>Pro-pedophiliaIts like poetry, it rhymes...
>effortful 5 part post with sources that encourages living as Christ intended gets deleted immediately>posts encouraging child pornography get to stay up
>>96474595Do dogs have sex?What about hamsters?I don't have a side here, I just think you're a retard
>>96474595i think is more broadly speaking an anglo issue more than American one
>>96473313>>96473366Good question. Reposting it.>If you were the 1st outsider, what would you choose to do?
>>96474609Those are expections rather than the rule, most teenagers are irrational and impulsive. Don't believe me? ask any highschool teacher. They know better than everyone how stupid teenagers are.
>>96474577Law does not always equal morality or what is right. A grown woman and a grown man will have already developed enough to realize and understand the consequences of their actions. Teens do not have a developed prefrontal cortex which hinders thinking in long-term planning and understanding consequences. The way the world perceives women in general should be enough of an alarm to know what taking advantage of them early will lead to in their future, not to mention the law limiting what teens are even able to do on their own forcing them to be reliant on an adult.>>96474588>sixteen year old slut who wants cock in her mouthThis says it all right here. Anon does not even see her as a person but immediately degrades her like many others in the world, further proving my point on how bad of an idea it is.
>>96474611>Choose between a biblecuck spamming catnigger or an autistic pedophile kike.Honestly, both of you should kill yourselves.
>>96474611Don't worry, Outer Reincarnation will save the thread when the old thread dies.
https://imgchest.com/p/dl7p85wojyoI pray that tank one day makes a less math heavy version.
>>96474654According to you logic you believe a teen is mature enough to choose what they do with their bodies right? So you must support their choice in cutting off their tits and dicks early if they are mature enough for sex with a 30 yr old, right?
>>96474611Why are you trying to push off-topic discussion in /cyoag/ in the first place?>>96474666stfu satan
I think I should have sex with teenagers but that guy shouldn'tHe would do some weird shit, but I would keep their pure hearts intact
Why are there so many pedophile posts ITT?
>>96474660Further proving my point.
>>96474645Never denied outliers exist, but using said outliers as definite proof for why teens should get dicked down by perverted middle-aged men is peak retardation.
>>96474678They're mature enough to make their own decisions and mistakes, right? :^) Or only when it matters to what (you) approve of? I don't think they should do either but you're the one bending a knee to one over the other.
my grandma married at 14 and had her first child at 15.i don't see why some of you are so obsessed with seeing 15 years old's as children, they are not adults, that for use but they are not a child either
>>96474677It's a troll who wants to spam the thread to make it unusable, because he hates /cyoag/. Don't expect any sincerety or logic.
>>96474687>you don't think i should be allowed to fuck children?>wow, if you really think that you're just admitting that you hate children
>>96474677It's 4chan
>>96474677Its physicsfag, he's a kike so naturally he's also a pedophile. Its in his nature.
>>96474665And patch things like:>Espa, The King, Gwyneris, Daxmor, Other with Espa and Gwyneris' bonuses in the same mission>gain the entire spellcraft sectionSure, I had fun when I discovered it, but it takes the choice away.
>>96474702How old was your grandpa when they married?
>>96474717>if it’s done properly and safety.And yet sexual education is constantly blocked and looked down on. If people truly understood, then they would know better than to put a teen at risk.>There are many consequences with forever mutilating how your body develops.Like pregnancy and stds. When you open the door for adults and teens to be together, there is a flood of fuck-ups to follow. For every 1 successful normal relationship you are imagining there are 200 barefoot 13 yr olds bleeding in the kitchen and men asking for the age of consent to go even lower.
>>96474728not sure on the exact age but around 20 or a little bit older
>Even kids can be pure fucking evil. Look at Palestinians.See? what did I tell you? this is the kind of guy that wants to fuck your daughter/little sister.
>>96474722>See. You can’t do nuance.
>>96474623A build centered around comfy, because life on Earth was bad enough and there is no immediate threats.Then I slowly start to be adversarial with the Firstborn Empire until it devolves into fighting (how can it be comfy with slave castes?) then I side with Vtorusha when she arrives.
>>96474743Of course I'm removing their agency because, again, we have seen throughout history the issues that arise from this. Biologically, mentally and socially. There is a limit. >>96474753See above.
>>96474756he's an evangelical
None of this is on-topic, all of you need to die.
>>96474665Yeah* Turning it into a number optimization puzzle was a big mistake, it goes against the whole point of CYOAs* Judgement calls between the 3 factions are supposed to be the heart of the CYOA, but it's almost consistently blue > orange > green, IIRC most anons agreed on this* If it's about management of an omniversal empire, I'd expect it to be about institutions? Imagine exploring various institutions (the equivalent of various secret services, EPA, internal affairs, IRS etc but with magic/fantasy sides to them) analogously to OR's territories or characters. That would've been a lot more thematic than focusing it on characters as it was
>>96474774 It's this or Outer Reincarnation
>>96474786>It's either shitposting or CYOA discussionWow hard choice.
>>96474774post oc then you fucker
https://imgchest.com/p/na7k8kebq78
Why do you spend your time in a place you hate, just to make it worse? What happened in your life to make you this way?
>>96474814Anon he is not only obviously speaking in bad faith, he is literally the most bad faith poster the general has ever knownIf you keep on honestly engaging you are guaranteed to have a "Gradually I began to hate them" moment
>>96473930>>96474611janny confirmed pedophile
>>96474849Charlotte?
>>96474784>Most of history consisted of child women marrying older adult menNo shit, they didn't have a choice otherwise. Marriage was not out of love but survival and even then deaths through childbirth was one of the biggest reasons for human mortality. In countries where women are given more freedom you're going to see far less pair ups of adults and teens. Older women will often tell their daughters and granddaughters of today that one of their biggest mistakes in life was getting married and having children so young. When divorce was made legal for women to do they quickly left the sides of their husbands as soon as they could. Diaries, documentaries and historical documents detailing on how these girls wanted to get away from thier husband's, poisoning them, creating shelters for others, etc.
>>96474866>In countries where women are given more freedom you're going to see far less pair ups of adults and teensare you sure about that?
>>96474755Alice. Need more scifi CYOA, tech is best
i want oc.....
>>96474849You are distressed and angry. And you act under a compulsion that brings you to places that you hate, causing you to become more distressed and angry. But by an act of will you can stop this anytime. Imagine this like someone shaking you a lot, except it's you yourself who does the shaking, and suddenly you're out of the rut you were in. Why not spend those precious hours of your life somewhere you actually want to be? It doesn't even have to be on the internet. You can go outside. Take a 4 hour walk, feels good. Play an old DOS game you haven't played for ages. Try and cook a dish. Pick up and read a book you once considered interesting but postponed.
>>96474931I know anon....I know....
>>96474891>Women become increasingly less and less biologically viable as they get olderSo do men. The quality of sperm decreases with age leading to miscarriages, deformities and even death of bith the mother and child because of the complications.>>96474875And what were the age ranges that these women were choosing for themselves? >>96474907Right, right can't forget the trafficking gangs.
Everyone talking about the pros and cons of kiddie fucking should suffer nothing but retrograde ejaculations. Niggers post some CYOAs, holy fucking shit. I'lleven take slop like the GOFs ones.But ideally if anyone has any where you get to be a full on fantasy wizard, that'd be neat.
https://imgchest.com/p/6eyrmere64p
based jannies
One where you get to be a werewolf would also be appreciated. Or some form of monster in general.
>>96475003Finally
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what font did tankista use?
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>>96475046mostly Times New Roman>Character names – Cinzel, 36 – Overlaid golden texture>Time period – Kingthings Exeter, 28 – White text with 175 transparency>Side profile information and semititles for sections – Kingthings Calligraphica 2, 20 – FF8B00 (and also just normal white text)>Inborn Gifts – Kingthings Calligraphica 2, 16 – 59D5FF>Main text – Times New Roman, 14 – White text
>>96475063Thanks
>>96475063Thank you>>96475076Why are you thanking him for meWho are you?
>>96475084I'm you.
>>96475084I needed it too.
>>96475084No problem.
>>96474623I (Wanderer) would have more or less the same build and plans of ascension, hunting evil, and generally being a force for good. If the toybox is unavailable, I will rally the various countries to genocide the True Dragons ASAP to prevent Vtorusha from selecting one as a parent. Through subtle influence, I will veer her away from the thought of warring against the gods. I will create a strike team to immediately kill Xian upon Aat's arrival. The other Outsiders are mostly context dependent, so I'm not sure what to do with them except for Erginter who I will spawnkill with another strike team.
>>96474755I'll also pick Alice, not much for monster girls and she seems like potentially the sweetest.
>>96475128>Erginter who I will spawnkill with another strike team*Correction: I will capture her instead since she has mentors and other things she's fated with. I'll simply find her mentors, convince them to teach crippled Erginter, and puppeteer her to complete her fates, then kill her once all her fates are dealt with.
>>96474931Me too. Nowadays is all reddicordsloppa
>>96475170discord OC is still OC, and all of it is better than OC that comes from solely 4chan-based authors
Are you sure you want any oc?
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>lost the argument so hard he had to mass reportlol
>>96475242It was Aro. She always reports posts that upset her. She's also a woman.
>>96475273We already confirmed it was the Aroseether who mass-reports anti-woman posts and blames deletions on Aro, he admitted to it a while back, in case you weren't here for that.
>>96475273i don't really think its her but to be honest i had the same suspicion
>>96475281Aro complains about romanceable characters being under the age of 18 tho
>>96475273It isnt aro its the guy who endlessly rages at the shitposter for being a jew supporter
>>96475166I don't know that Erginter happens at all if you change history enough. We know that fate is in full effect even when picking your choices thanks to Vedi. That and the fact that Outsiders have had a larger quantity of more thematic conflicts with each other than I'd expect out of 11 random anons suggests to me that the system is picking good candidates for the stories that the world wants to tell, rather than grabbing people at random.
>>96475312Why aren't you punctuating your words? Why are you defending her? Are you Gil?
>>96474623Take the Tuzik route and live a comfortable life.
>>96474568As feedback for this. It's overpowered and insane bullshit. Author needs to maybe try and form a coherent theme for the thing overall, or maybe a coherent theme for each line. As it stands, each power by itself could essentially be an entire CYOA. Also English needs improving on.
>>96474568Unattractive format. It lacks a hook that would motivate me to read the walls of texts, like a more immersive and setting-heavy cyoa would.I might make a build for these if each option was <20 words long.
>>96475324Good point. The Outsider System would never pick a problem solver like me to be the 1st Seat—I end stories too anticlimactically in the name of eliminating threats. Puppet Erginter would defeat the point of her existence.The 11th Seat is an appropriate position for me.
>>96475464I bet several Outsiders thought something similar about themselves, including Erginter.She literally minmaxed everything possible, including her death, in the name of eliminating a specific target as efficiently as possible. Didn't work out exactly as she envisioned.
Anons, new Eye meta just dropped. Now all-legs Araneas have a worthy opponent!
>>96475438>anons first interaction with gift of faves slop.cute newfag
>>96475487>She literally minmaxed everything possible, including her death>including her deathHard disagree. This was her biggest mistake, the ultimate cause of her downfall. It is a very difficult death to deal with if you don't game it by triggering it in laboratory conditions. I see no "vision" in this. If she could see an Outsiders page like we can, then this choice is several magnitudes stupider as she went to fight and died to Aat the possessor.
>>96475525But really, what is the reason these always have walls of text, can't the authors really put themselves in the shoes of the reader?
>>96475520>Look of Chaosx2 + Evil Eyex2 = Fuck Everything In That Direction Eye Beam.Damn, dragonfags are going to be insufferable now. Why can't we [JNPL]strugglers get some good shit like this.
>>96475520The eye meta has always been All-Glimpse, so whatever.I'm somewhat surprised that the arms and legs don't have an equivalently option.
>>96475520Is that chatgpt?Are you doing a tok?
>>96475549>The eye meta has always been All-Glimpse,nice historical revisionism, meaninglessfag>I'm somewhat surprised that the arms and legs don't have an equivalently option.You have All-Glimpse and still can't read? that's what Aranea spiderhalf is for.
>>96475535She was betting on her ability to absorb whoever tries to possess her and, from what I half-remember, previous Outsiders didn't see extended materials, she couldn't know how much she fucked up.
>>96475551it's tank answering a reddit q&ahttps://www.reddit.com/r/makeyourchoice/comments/1mwbkpv/comment/ncggn5x/?context=3
>>96475540Anon... you might be a readlet unironically.
>>96475520Doesn't that go directly against what the actual Dragon Transformation says?
>>96475566Nice buzzword and reading comprehension.
>>96475331Gil is dead, anon. Aro confirmed it.
>>96475548Add Eye For Shadows x2 and an enemy can't even see a giant lizard currently burninating him.
>>96475581You can use the gifts you already have in it, which is why Multiocular O is being used with it. If you didn't, those gifts would have nowhere to go when not transformed.
>>96475581The "no more than 2 standard eye gifts" rule, doesn't count Multioccular in the equation.
>>96475520Damn, the Drakonid-Aranea halfbreed truly is the strongest one of them all... maybe Thaumaradrak had the right idea...
>>96475596>Add Eye For Shadows x2 and an enemy can't even see a giant lizard currently burninating him.You don't need the polycephaly exploit for that.
>>96475615>Drakonid-Aranea halfbreedIsn't that just Araith?
>>96475293Since when?
>>96475627Since tok found the cyoa general.
>>96475615>interbreeding with araneas is The WayTrue Dragon lovers on life support.
Do Daemonhost spawned Majins inherit your inborn gifts? Or do they just get none at all, or random ones?
>>96475638We should ALL interbreed with Aranea.
>>96475535It would've worked if she hadn't tried to go Empyrean. #3 was undead, and the undeath/empyreality contradiction was the only thing that gave #3 his opportunity to take partial control
>>96475639None at all, they are not considered children.
>>96475652Then all of them in the CYOA have no inborn gifts at all?
>>96475658They get whatever Gifts their creator manages to include in the template.Those that are born normally follow normal rules.
>>96475572>Sorry if I’m misunderstanding something, but you only have to know the language of a location to take an encounter there, right? You don’t have to be born there?>You have to be born there. Maybe in an update I'll change it to a more nebulous requirement that would state you need to be reasonably enough close. But for now you need to be there.That answers the Encounter question.
>>96475658Several of the Majin in the CYOA are born, not spawned. The ones that were spawned were made by Dei, who has her special Longest March demonhost trait allowing for higher template specificity through remembrances at the cost of her fresh, untested spawns being weaker. She definitely used a well-worn template for Aes and Pir. You should be able to make those specific templates and other established ones if Dei is your mom, but you can't just assign whatever gifts you want.
>>96475703I should add, the spawned oned that have gifts we know about. Esu was spawned by Maou, but we don't know if he has any gifts other than his Number of the Damnned
I think I am going to make the 12 image buildGive me every idea you have that fits within the theme of a girl that true loves everyone, A true JNPL believer etc, and at least one quote to go with itAlso, Preferably, alot of quotesI edited out a blank template, here's that if you want it
>>96475684Jdan just became even more useful
>>96475746There's already a template: https://rentry.org/outer_reincarnation_information#outsider-page-style
>>96475746Seeing it against a grey backround, it is painfully apparent that I have not fully removed the backround of those imagesRIP>>96475756This one is wider
>>96475746>everyoneYou mean NPCs, or 11ths? If 11ths, which world?
>>96475769>This one is widerNo, the width is the exact same.
>>96475773All outsidersWorld is irrelevant for these purposes, If you want you can pick one though>>96475776Ok yes I looked through and you meant a different one, one based on the new stuffSorry about that
>>96475746>True loves every companion because she believes it will make them stronger >Icon of Icons>Noblie Inclination >Royal Claim>Muddish or Vishnian human
>>96473329Thaumaradrak should be in Dobro now after the update. Sorry slow life hermit builds. The one woman band is now a solo act again.
>>96475787Maybe I should make the section clearer by showing the first Outsiders page style build as an example and bolding "Template:". It is admittedly somewhat missable in between big images.
>>96475746This character but for everyone.
>>96475290Blessed PuppetBlack MarkTortured ArtistThe HeirloomThe InvitationDark WeatherPretty simple. I'm going to use the Black Mark on myself to guarantee I'll be in the right mood to art and when I'm done my Dollfu will make me feel better.I would have liked to take Achitect or The Orchard but I'm not sure I would want to drop any of my picks for them.
>>96475746>girl that true loves everyoneGirl? It's gonna be a greasy fatass who'll True Love all of us. And we will like it.
>>96475835I guess you could say we...Went hog wild.
>>96475835Good thing True Love isn't mind control and we're all shallow
>>96475853>Good thing True Love isn't mind controlOh no, it isn't.What his mentor teaches him though, that's another story.
>>96475746True love everyone, max companions/mentors, minimum gifts.She wants to be carried through everything and thinks that if she true loves everyone, then we’ll do it for her.
>>96475638How do you know True Dragons were not araneas hybrids?
>>96475863If they were they would've won
>>96475746>and at least one quote to go with it"Every act of good strengthens the divine that lies within us all."
>>96474623Train in a cave for 20 years, then walk around oneshotting random political leaders that I don’t like.Then I retire to a comfy cabin on a mountain until fate calls me again
>>96475870Whose to say that True Dragons didn’t win? The world has already been reset 3 times.Besides, the elder gods were/are actively conspiring against the immortal races as it messes with their reincarnation plan. True Dragons got fucked over by fate. But the second 0^0 ascended, dragons manage to create another kingdom. Not a coincidence, methinks.
>>96475892Living in isolation, how do you learn what political leaders that you don't like exist?
So what are the ultimate crossbreed abominations that can be created? A leg/arm maxing Aranea with a Icon of Icons Multiocular O maxxing Drakonid to create a Monstrous Aranea/Drakonid hybrid?
>>96475913That’s easy. All of them.
>>96475913He gets close to them and uses All-Glimpse
>>96475875Good job, that really does spur defilement fantasies.
>>96475929eeewwwwwwww
>>96475931Thanks for playing along, but it really isn't necessary.
PostDanmachiRight Fucking Now
>>96475940You first
>>96475940SayNyah~And Beg
>>96475746In weeb fiction, I've seen the trope that knowing someone's exact tastes (favorite fruit, favorite animal, favorite color) will somehow make them love you. In fact, knowing these things is almost a secret backdoor to penetrating all the target's mental defenses, so it's not information you can learn by just asking them, you probably have to spy on them or something silly like that.I can't imagine that applying in real life at all, but it probably fits her.
>>96475920Just turn yourself undead and give yourself more eyes/limbs.Picrel, it’s my build. I already have 20 arm gifts and 16 leg gifts.
>>96475991All-Glimpse go brrr.
>>96475520All-Glimpse is better than all the other eyes combined.
>>96475862Is she wrong though? You WILL kneel for pussy..
>>96476000All-Glimpse isn't even better than Starsight x2 for some casters. You're seriously underestimating the value of stolen knowledge in a world where the most powerful spells are closely-guarded secrets.
I have now read everything OR and still don't know anything. What do?
>>96476008>pussyGrossI’m a cock enjoyer
>>96476012Talk with confidence and watch as the thread implodes.
>>96476012
>>96476000Not if you want to have a life
>>96476010Stolen knowledge, huh? Ever heard of Dirk Yesod, who can teach you what ANY mentor knows? At the same time he's playing Minority Report with his whole nation?
>>96476021>have a lifeI'm on that Outsider grindset
>>96476019Thanks senpai, I will
>New exploit found! Get it while its still hot!I don't want to be the strongest. I want to be myself.
>>96476023Wonder if he might have gotten a good deal looking at the stolen Multiocular O from the Old Throne and imploding because it was stolen from the Godscript before by the Second.
>>96476023Dirk Yesod is an "extremely potent user of the all-glimpse" who is being helped by fate to give you the knowledge that you asked for through the outsider system. He can't just arbitrarily learn whatever he wants, that's not how the All-Glimpse works. It's dependent on your skill and understanding of the godscript in what you're looking at.
>>96476038Have you heard of cooperative learning?
>>96475520Is your dragon form guaranteed to be however you want it to be?
>>96476038Literally not an exploit, just a cool interaction that hasn't been explored.
>>96476012Write a story about what your build will do
>>96476038>t. my trash build is cute and valid!If you're not building seriously stop posting.
>>96476041Do you plan on being a shitty user of All-Glimpse?Being able to read people's minds from across the planet is better than getting more meaning from stuff they've written down, especially when there's no guarantee they're going to write their closely-guarded secrets down. I guarantee that in every other mentor's case you would argue that you can grow beyond their capabilities, but here you're going to say Dirk is just better than you and you can never reach him.
>>96476054Already did but its schizophrenic and I know better now yet lack the feeling of novelty that propelled me the first time.
>>96476012Read it again. YMRD blesses those who keep gambling even when they're losing
>esurient walk x3 >learn time magic >????>cuck anon
>>96476070Why are you thinking of Anon in sexual terms?
>>96476046Have you heard of Meaning?
>>96476067That's mean. I probably will eventually.
>>96476058Ignoring the fact that he's being actively helped by fate in his mentorship is bad faith, yes. He can't even do what he can do in that mentorship normally.
>>96476067Based. I always double down.
>>96476010>All-Glimpse isn't even better than Starsight x2 for some casters>some castersWho? Trash that don't have the two magic gifts and can't discern Meaning on their own?
>>96476077This is the cope of the weak.
>>96476076Someone’s gotta sit in the cuck chair.
>>96476081Like I said, you're going to make that argument for him and not for any other mentor.
>>96476077Even if Meaning was against minmaxxing (it isn't, Erginter existed btw) it wouldn't matter since the current DM is Charlotte, and she'd salute our efforts.
>>96476087Anyone wanting to play around with dream/nightmare.
>>96476106>I admit i'm an insane jobber like Erginter
>>96476106stupid post. You are sleeping outside tonight, preferably behind the shed
>>96476106Charlotte is a player running an in-game campaign.
>>96476087Anyone with reliable access to the temples where divine magic is kept. Whether legitimately (like how Yphont used her starsight as a battle-priestess) or illegitimately (for Rhucuphrebros).Those spells are full sentences in the godscript with meanings explained by the elder gods. Understanding them just by looking is far from guaranteed even with the caster gifts, but starsight lets you cheat.
Honest to God. Why do people bitch about Companions/NPCs when 9/10 they are literally the bread and butter of a CYOA that make them feel alive, your choice matter, carry all the lore, and give you characters to hang around or fight or interact with.All the biggest CYOAs have characters in the biggest impactful roles.
>>96476095Literally not the argument you said I'd be making, but dig your heels in if you want. You're allowed to be wrong on the internet.
>>96476125>Those spells are full sentences in the godscript with meanings explained by the elder godsThat's the problem, since there are explicitly impossible to understand with starsight because they overload you with divine intent.
>>96473329Ayo, the creator of a build for OT that's based around the Empire of Light and Dark here. Can I have mine written in, or are we no longer taking any new outsiders?>>96473509Wasn't there also a DLC for this or something? I recall the Chinese one also did.
>>96476139Shhhh, let Anon try.
>>96476133People are complaining about companions? About who exactly?
>>96476143Only if we watch and giggle smugly from behind a corner
>>96476139Only if the text was written by the Elder Gods. These are spells that people actually cast, there will be text written by regular people too.
>>96476139Waste not your words on the readlets
Can someone spoon me the timeline chart? I lost it and don't know where it originated from and the /tg/ archive blocked my IP range (this is worse than death)
>>96476157Bruh you couldn't even be bothered to read what you were replying to.
View of Fore > All-Glimpse > All other eyes
>eugenicsSlow, inefficient, limited.>undead graftingBetter, faster, more versatile, with a higher power ceiling. But it’s not enough.>living warmachinaA fine enough solution, more powerful than the previous, but even more limiting than eugenics in many ways.>nightmare + biological experimentationNow we’re talking. This is the only way to transcend the limits of the mortal body. The Dragons were on the right path, but they went in the wrong direction. Studying the uruk should provide valuable insight.>>96476139He’s wrong about starsight being better, but you would be able to do this with thetrue dragon/mage cult encounters. It might mindbreak you though.
>>96476156Kinda doubt they understand much when they write them down though. The difference here is that the clergy repeats perfect sentences given to them by the gods, leading to ununderstood replication for the most part.Magicians need to actually know what their whack experiments are getting them in advance lest they blow themselves up.
>>96476181>he needs do-overs>he would take do-overs over powerThose “get out of jail free” cards won’t actually help you survive, in the end. Fate works across timelines.
>>96476182I'll kill Charlie with a rusty sword and go back to farming potatoes with my wife and 2.5 children.
>>96476182Where did Uruks even come from. Maptext says its an unexpected interplay or powers, while cyoa says a Retaat let a gremlin escape from a dungeon.
>>96476140>Wasn't there also a DLC for this or something? I checked its posting history on Desuarchive and can't see a dlc.
>>96476200>t. killed by JNPLHave fun being a jobber then dying I guess.
Maximally mentoring Blazhko with Leileie on yourself, then Fierting him into the strongest body you can assign to him.
>>96476201Aat was doing experiments with dreams and accidentally let a gremlin, a dungeon monster, out into the real world where it bred out of control. Uruks are dungeon monsters. Dungeons are dreams, people's unborn divinity, formed into a navigable environment for people to do adventures in. Another of SRTR's ideas. Dungeon monsters are thus made of dream.
>>96476182>It might mindbreak you though.Just tank it, your mental strength isn't weak enough to job to a little forbidden knowledge, right anon?
>>96476215>Dungeons are dreamsThanks! That was a missing link that should have been obvious..>Dungeons are dreams, people's unborn divinity,Nani? Where does it say this?
>>96476191That is, explicitly, not how divine magic works. You always need to understand the meaning to cast a spell. Divine stuff was explained by an elder god, which is the reason way beyond what mages piece together themselves.
>>96476173
>>96476229What the fuck is the starsight disclaimer good for then? Thank you for the patient answer though, I'll call myself readlet in your stead.
>>96476225>dreams, people's unborn divinity,see the By Design quest >>96472571
>>96476236It's so that you can't instantly ascend by asking YMRD to write out the godscript alphabet for you, I think.
>>96476235Thankyousomuch
>>96476229What's stopping you from taking Devout Signature and getting your own tutoring? Or taking [YMRD] as a companion and quoting her?
>>96476244>taking [YMRD] as a companion and quoting herI'm sure she won't see this as totally lame!
>>96476253Fair
>>96476253Do you have fun cockblocking all the loophole ideas?
>>96476244Devout signature is for blessings, which are something else entirely. As for YMRD -- yeah, she probably can give you some bullshit magic. You can probably get more bullshit magic taking both approaches simultaneously. Starsight is fast; it only requires reading text that some non-god understood. Needing to have it explained to you is probably slower.
Robbing temples is so cool it might be the seed for me second Update 1 build
You’re gonna have to create your own spells. All glimpse is just better. It even gives you minor prediction of past and future.
>>96476262Nta. It's canon that the gods refuse to help more than absolutely necessary 9/10, hence my post >>96468955.
>>96476273All-Glimpse is fucking garbage.
>>96476253>She'll just tell me everythingExtremely lame. She'll certainly guide your path, especially if you took Omega along,and will be of great help. But not just teach everything about Godscript, she's a Companion and not a Mentor for a reason.
You're not convincing me that All-Glimpse isn't better than every other eye gift. Others might be able to compete with it in one aspect, but it gives a lot of stuff in one neat package.
>All those people shitting on All-GlimpseWe get it, you didn't take it and now regret it. Deal with it.
>>96476290All-Glimpse is obviously the best one.
>>96476273What's wrong with making my own spells?
>>96476290You will never look your wife in the eye. And before you retort "but I will know her souil" - Nay. You will see a description of her soul. You will be forever stuck playing a cyoa like you do on this world, instead of actually Living Your Own Adventure. Consider carefully.
>>96476292I love all-glimpse. I just want to see people being creative with other powers too. It's more interesting that way.
>>96476262Anon gets off on shutting down meaningless behaviour like minmaxfaggotry, I respect it.
>>96476305I’m pretty sure absolute awareness includes light and colors and such
Daemonhost, Icon of Icons and All-Glimpse. Any slander against any of these is pure cope of the highest degree. They're all obviously better than the others, and that's okay. It doesn't mean the others are worthless, you can have your own reason to prefer them. So long as we don't pretend there isn't a clear top 3.>>96476305Easy choice
>>96476140Post the build.
>>96476316"Her grey eyes light up as she looks at you." Congrats bro this is the deepest it will ever get. Maybe roleplay with a LLM while you are at it.
>>96476317>DaemonhostJust trying to slip that one in there, I see
I love this place.
>>96476292>All those people shitting on All-GlimpseAre you sure that's what's happening here? all I see is you suckling All-Cock every two minutes.
All Glimpse is fine.I don't want it, but it's a fine gift to have.
>>96476329>IT'S ALL ONE PERSONMeds, anon.
>>96476324Is the poor little m*ddish mad his dad's mech can't compete?
>>96476327Yeah okay they really do hit different bundled like this
>>96476316It's all narration. Appearance is described with divine accuracy, but it's still described. You're blind. That's how the gift works.
>>96476323>>96476329Where in the description of All-Glimpse does it say that you can only read words, and can’t actually see the shapes and colors of things?Please be specific.
>>96476290It's obviously the best one in what it does but it's not omniscience or anything close to it. You still need to read everything you see and as Playing Traitors shows, it can be worked around.It's not an instant win button and it makes the whole adventure a pretty blunt affair.
Daily reminderAll Mental Gifts > All-Glimpse > Daemonhost = Icon of IconsIf you don't have AT LEAST one of those, or a very clever and/or bullshit build, you already lost.
>>96476340It was revealed to me by my All-Glimpse.
>>96476327This thread is making me radicalize against JNPL
Having All-Glimpse is like watching one of those AI voiced movie recap videos. Its peak sovlless.
>>96476334>mechs LE BADIf it weren’t mutually exclusive with Icon of Icons it might not be shit tier. But it is. And it is shit tier.You can just find some random demon lord with it and make them your daemonhost bitch. You still get all of the benefits if you just have someone else do it for you.
>>96476347Good news, the witch is dead.
>>96476348>peak sovllessIt works, retard. That's like saying rich people are hollow inside while they have the life you want to have.
>>96476345*Icon of Icons > All Mental Gifts > All-Glimpse > DaemonhostIcon of Icons is a everything boost, incomparably more powerful than all other options in the cyoa.
>>96476327We really don't deserve her love, do we
>>96476352Mechs rap-battled the amalgamation of all true dragons out of fucking existence. I hate mecha as a genre but yeah this is a good sell.
>>96476341>It's not an instant win buttonAnd it doesn't need to be
>>96476324Daemonhost is the best of the three.
>>96476362It's as close as it could be.
>>96476357In theory, yes, but when we analyse who had it, they all jobbed. The Daemonhosts got shit done. So they're pretty much even.
>>96476359You're not Vtorusha, bro. You don't have her skills. You're entirely reliant on one dwarf to reverse engineer Warmachina for you, and that'll still take a while.
>>96476371I am NTA I was just happy about the rap battle :)
>>96476340The intent is that you pick up on the fact that they're all blind by observing that they're all wearing blindfolds.If you're gonna play "source or it didn't happen", though, see pic
>>96476378Thanks Anon I couldn't be arsed
>>96476368If you want to go by achievements, Mithra and Charlotte prop up Icon of Icons to the apex.
>>96476378Worth it
>>96476363How is creating random jobbers even remotely good compared to a +100% increase in every single gift AND skill (includes mental gifts btw) for every single close friend you have, plus more for everyone else that believes in you? 2 friends and you are 3x stronger.If the main threat in this world was a giant uruk horde or something, then MAYBE. But you have to go against Charlie, and if (YOU) aren’t stronger than Charlie you are getting Ketered. Doesn’t matter how many jobbers you spawn in using jobberhost, you can’t win that fight. And there’s still the issue of just finding someone else to spawn majin for you.
>>96476378>All-Glazers are eyelets lmao, imagine getting isekaied blind, unable to see the natural beauty of this new world.
>>96476388>Charlotte>The biggest shitter who couldn't even kill Keter>The retard who will just die alone, sad and favored by no god>The absolute whore who doesn't even has the love of her own daughterPlease anon, i LIKE Icon of Icons, don't ruin it for me.
>>96476378That’s not what I’m talking about, retard.Nowhere does it say that all-glimpse users can only read descriptions of things like a bunch of text floating in a black void. You just made that up.
>>96476393Is Dei a jobber? Tenebrae/Hel? Sao?
>>96476397>the beautyYou see its inner workings and that's infinitely more valuable than "Wowie, the morning rain is so pwetty"
>>96476406Yes to all four. And why can’t you get one of them to make jobberhost templates if you want it so bad?
>>96476406>Tenebrae/HelWho?
>>96476413The one who spawned a curse currently residing in Alezandre that will be the 13th outsiders bbeg if you dont do anything about it
All-Glimpsers on a picnic with their waifu be like:>"The grass is green">"The sky is blue">"The food is scrumptious">"My waifu is gorgeous">Too bad I can't see all that shit.
>>96476405"Allows the user to read the God-script hidden within all matters: objects, people, actions, events"How are you going to cope your way out of this one, Cuck-Glimpse?
>>96476405Yes, the gift that makes you blind and is described as narration and reading actually has pictures because you want it to. Your faith is so good anon.
>>96476407>muh inner workingsAll-Cope
The 2 demon-ruled realms, Dis and Stygia, have no official connection to Pandemonium, right? Wrong?
Why did all the Kuuderefags go for Thaumiel, confirmed to not be one, and skip over Maou?
>>96476393Charlie couldn't even kill Maou.
>>96476421Hey, at least they can taste the food! Though they would probably take All-Lick too if it promised them a way to skip critical thinking.
>>96476426>>96476427Where does it say that (you) only see text in a floating black void? Do I need All-Glimpse to read that part?
>>96476432The Outsider System is rigged and pulls mostly some of the most unbelievable retards ever.
>>96476431Stygia probably has none, Dis probably no longer has any but it probably did before Thaumiel took over and there might still be some groups hiding out in there.
We will remember today as the day that All-Glimpsers lost all.
>>96476434>taking the ultimate power for informed decision is skipping critical thinkingYou might be retarded.
>>96476431Stygia no. Dis is probably entangled in the conspiracy but I dont have anything conccrete apart from them being continent wide on Doria and Thaumy not having a firm hand on anything (Plague event, unless thats some 5d chess but I still think she is generally detached)
>>96476432Have you heard of memes?
>>96476433Interesting way to say Maou jobbed to Charlie despite fate setting her up to be the villain in Charlie’s story.
>>96476432Because Thaumiel is a cute kuudere.
>>96476439No, but you do need a dictionary, because you apparently don't know what blind means.
>>96476439You lose sight but you gain the ability to see SCRIPT. Any more copes?>>96476446Says the guy getting everything spelled out for him lmaooooo
Everyone who argues against All-Glimpse is trying to trick you into picking something else.
>>96476450Since when does fate make villains win? Quit with this pro-Ecumene propagandaa.
>they're still talking about outer redditcarnationit's over
>>96476459Yat your Az up
>>96476450So what you're saying is that between a false-ascendant with hacked access to one of the Elder Gods pillars and 1 random demon lord without any subjects, the false ascendant is the underdog and the demon lord should've been able to win easily? The daemonhost glaze has to stop, people are even glazing it while trying to slander it.
>>96476450You guys say "job" like you're fucking pokemon and it's your name.
>>96476439I want to hear how you imagine it would work based on the text given.
>>96476444They All-Glazed too hard, now they're facing the consequences for their All-Smug. Too bad they didn't take All-Read.
>>96476432Secretary like demon lady is too intimidating for most people here, they will simply look for the cute equivalent.I seriously considered picking her as the designated love interest in one of my builds but an elf was more appropriate then.
>>96476459>Oh noes my off-topic pedophilia discussion is gone!
>>96476456You are blind to the truth
bros I think I'm falling for the Icon of Icons meme... how can my inner powergamer resist a raw multiplier...
>>96476470But he picked All-Glimpse! How can he be blind?
>>96476463DBZ and it's consequences have been a disaster for the cyoag race
>>96476477>powergamerMeaningless.
>>96476477Does it fit your build?
>>96476478Clearly he is using a dark theme and can't read these letters on black background because uhhhh uhm it doesnt work like that okay?
>>96476477Remeber that it's limited by Meaning loss due to overuse, all gifts and spells, and maybe even more things are.Except for All-Glimpse because Tankista decided that was a good idea for some reason.
>>96476477Don't resist it. JNPL wants you to have friends and is appealing to your lower instincts to guide you down a better path.
>>96476488You can always change a build to insert better things in it.
>>96476491They needed the w after putting on the qualia-condom
>>96476477No don't. If everyone has it then it will challenge mine.
>>96476477Do it. Don't listen to the Meaningtards, this is peak gameplay as intended.
It sounds like we're all finally in agreement.Daemonhost > Icon of Icons > All-Glimpse
>>96476477Can you actually make genuine friends? do you have the emotional capacity to form meaningful bonds with others? if not, don't bother.
If Aat, who spawned the demon race by proxy, was still beholden to Xian and literally couldn't defy him, can it be assumed that Majin is a trap option that gives whichever Majin spawned you the same control over you?
>>96476504Even Savmak could, that grump!
>>96476491>Except for All-Glimpse because Tankista decided that was a good idea for some reason.Balancing adjustment as All-Glimpse is too weak to be a 5 point gift otherwise.
>>96476503Consider the power of Kalliope Aureole with a Demonhost outsider inspiring his hordes to believe in her, though.
>>96476503Aren't Daemonhost and Icon of Icons incompatible with each other because they're supposed to be of equal power thematically?I remember something about power of midday and midnight or some other thing the author said.
>>96476509hnghnhgn
>>96476505No. Xian had special hax that no other majin gets. That wasn't his only one either.
>>96476491I thought it was a passive gift that doesn't require casting. The work you put into maintaining friendships and public image is the real cost.
>>96476479>jobro used joblow!>its super effective!
>>96476504Anon all the most important people in the world are linked to you by Fate and Encounters, they're easy boosts no matter what
>>96476511People are definitely undervaluing Daemonhost but this is clearly a measure to restrict the synergy between them that would be absolutely gameshattering.
>>96476506>Humph, you are not my companions, you are only the instruments in my path to conquer Doria... Idiots...I see why [YMRD] likes him now
>>96476505Adding another readlet card to my collection...Only Majin spawned via Daemonhost are controlled. Xian's letter's ability allows him to spawn Majin who also have Daemonhost.
>>96476505No, because that doesn't apply to natural born (sex and impregnation method) Majin. And i'm not even sure if you can actually be a Daemonhost spawned one.
>>96476505In addition to this >>96476514 that doesn't apply to born Majin anyway. You're not given the option to be a spawned Majin, unless that's what's happening if you take Aat as your dad.
>>96476511The real reason is balance. Instantly spawning loyal companions on demand that can love you with very little effort would be very broken. He later reasoned that Majin come from the Midnight point while Icon of Icons alongside Mithra powers come from the Midday Point so they cannot mix.
>>96476521Xet was definitely subjugated by two different demon lords. It's not clear how that worked, but it happened.
This was Xian's other big cheat.
>>96476524Wait, is this why taking Aat as your dad is free?
>>96476454>>96476455Oh, I see. I need to have starsight x2 to understand this hidden meaning that isn’t written anywhere.>>96476464As if you are playing in third person with a render distance limit.
>>96476530They'd need to be real friends, not just people who have magically enforecd loyalty to you. Royal Claim and Noble Inclination have way more synergy with it.
>>96476517Anon read Icon of Icons again, they need to be "genuinely close friends" for the boost to take effect. Fate only ensures they meet you and have positive first impression with you, if you treat them like a power-farm they have no obligation to stay.
>>96476530It was a nice attempt at balance, but Icons of Icons can make friends with Daemonhosts who spawn BFFs for them while the synergy doesn't go the other way around.
>>96476537True, but Aat was and is incredibly beloved by the Majin.
>>96476536>vidyafag can not read and is appalled at the prospect of being forced to by his giftmany such cases
>>96476517Our hero, everyone!
>>96476534No? He won't have any control over you he doesn't Demonhost spawn you, he specifically impregnates a mother. He's probably 0 beause fores you to a Dark Elf mother and doesn't raise you.
>>96476548>absentee father means you get super strong gifts for free and only have to pay adoption feeDoesn't add up
>>96476537The Majin you create are literally one year olds that are fully mature and have nothing going for them except their letter autism. Just treating them well and being friendly will likely be enough for them to naturally love you. Just look at Aes to see how a recently spawned Majin would latch onto someone.
>>96476544Because he was awesome not just a Demon Lord. Vtorusha was also very beloved, people still even sing bout her.
>>96476484>>96476488As a meaningless powergamer build, yes. I've already done worse in the pursuit of power I suppose.>>96476491I don't think non-limb gifts are subject to that rule though. Second Wind for example can proc right after you heal back fully, and Icon of Icons being overused seems to be counterproductive to its whole scaling thing its got going on. Would it be like a toggle of boosting your power for a bit and it wears off or what cause I can't imagine how it'd work with a limitation like that.>>96476494>>96476502You're so right, if the Gods didn't want me to take it, they wouldn't have put in in the Outsider System.
>>96476551actually it really really does disregard me
>>96476548Mother who gives you points too like all Dark Elven parents
>>96476511Yes, but Kalliope probably has Icon of Icons herself, going by the word choice in her description and the fact that all her relatives with visible descriptions have it. Nothing is preventing your Majin from buffing her.
>>96476551Have you looked at how much point every dad gives? Aat (Xian) is not even one of the most "unbalaanced" ones.
>>96476558It’s true, it wouldn’t be in there if it werent intended
>>96476557They sing about her dream, only the Mud still think that she was right, everyone else agrees that she went insane.
>>96476557Why didn't she take Icon of Icons? Is she stupid?
>>96476553You're making me feel bad about potentially sending them to war
>>96476565I am aware. But my point is moot anyway because he is just adoption bait without even needing the refund
>>96476551>Immaculate conception might be a miraculous thing, but it is also incredibly suspicious. Even more so if the child comes out favouring the father's side.
>All-Glimpse companion costs 3 points>Icon of Icons companion costs 3 point>Strong majin companions, not even daemonhosts, cost 4 or 5 pointsAdd it all together: Daemonhost is the strongest gift.
>>96476571There were like two or three Outsiders who were not stupid.
>>96476581All glimpse and Icon of Icons is useless if it’s on someone else and not (you)
>>96476543>Oh, I'm only your friend because dad demon lord told me to.Remember that they need to be genuinely close friends for it to work. It is the power of hope after all.
>>96476589Just form a shared pantheon, should work well enough. Bonus points if its tide cooperation
>>96476570>only the Mud still think that she was rightJust like only the Majin loved Aat? The point still is, being a Demonhost doesn't give you the love of the people, being an awesome force of (good) change does. Xian was the first Demon Lord and wasn't loved, yet Aat was.All Daemonhost do is make people loyal, not your friends, that's basically what 0^0 has now, loyal people and no friends.
>>96476589If you can't befriend and inspire hope in newly spawned Majin then don't even bother taking Icon of Icons
>>96476574>just adoption baitYou can say that about like, half of the parents.
>>96476545>yet another autistic spergoutPlease stop. Nobody wants to see you shit up the thread with the retarded headcannon that you pulled out of your autistic asshole. Go make some dino nuggies or something.Thanks bud
Why bother with all-glimpse when you could just be an insular god-script speaker?
>>96476604Yeah but he is that mechanically speaking. No languages, nothing to teach, amazing inborn gifts. Especially since he doesn't block a single limited slot or carry anything undesirable.
>>96476589They are literally custom made to be your friends. You shouldn't even need any social gifts or skills for this.
Reminder that if you try to min/max friendship, Icon of Icons isn't gonna work, sorry.
>>96476608>11th outsider’s first wordsEnjoy turning yourself inside out when trying to learn the language as a baby.
>>96476606What is this picture? Some theory of mind test to evaluate tism?
jobberhost neetcels cant imagine being able to befriend customizable NPCs that are already perfectly loyal to youGrim.
>>96476589Good thing there are no beloved heirs to, say, a human empire that for the first time in history has granted Majin citizenship and is defending all the magical races against the threat of genocide. That sort of character might naturally inspire hope in a people whose major theme is wanting to be something other than history's eternal villain for a change.
>>96476628Charlie was able to do it, so can I.
>>96476629I'm fated to learn the language by the Outsider system so that wouldn't happen.
>>96476614Please understand, this is an anon-level autist we're dealing with. Even newly spawned Majin designed to be his friend will sense that he's a red flag and remain acquaintances at most.
>>96476572Why would you feel bad about them anon? They are simply letters given human form.Their feelings are not real and don't matter. If they hurt themselves and cry they are defective, if they 'fall in love' and make children then they are increasing your ranks for free, and if they try to leave you just extract their letter and summon a new version of them without that pesky personality. It's what they were designed to be after all.
Is there a worse option in the entire CYOA? Might as well kill yourself on spawn.
>>96476644Az + Yee
>>96476641>Make them all female>Hit on them>Friendzoned>AscendSee you never, Mortals.
>>96476644As long as you're not a caster it's free points
Am I underestimating it, or stupid, or is Second Wind a terrible gift. How likely are you to die from blood loss as opposed to critical organ destruction, given what you'd be fighting?
>>96476581>Comparing 2 inexperienced little girls to insta-made hyper-specialised sentient spells.Give the girls some time anon.
>>96476606I think Sally will look for it in a shop. Because balls come from shops.What does that make my score on the test?
>>96476644>fully curableFree points.
>>96476653>not a casterYou found the the worse option
>>96476644Just don't be a casterfag and punch mathematicians in the face as any self respecting person would do to math nerds.
Reminder that Majin are the punishmment unleashed for the Elven hubris of making their own scripts instead of just using godscript like humans do. They are the personified letters of the godscript explicitly manifesting through Xian with a vicious hatred of Elves whether dark or high
>>96476660>curableDont get the sperg started again.Funny that the cure here is actually an impermanent treatment that goes away if you stop taking it.
>>96476614>>96476634>>96476595>>96476600At that point why even bother with Majin? just befriend regular peasants.
>>96476644I don't know about "worse"But Overstep is one seriously bad choice for your precious leg slot.
>>96476660Yeah, but you need to meditate for the rest of your life. Lame!
I wonder if you could make living numbers
>>96476660It literally says it's not guaranteed to work on some people and you will always be at risk of it coming back.
How do I pull a Xian/Aat and inflict Meandering Thought on all mathemagician's?
>>96476678Majin have other uses. Peasants dont.
>>96476681Esu.Just reverse engineer him. You will probably have to dissect him but you know, he's not a real person like all Majin so it doesn't matter.
>>96476665Get in the locker nerd.
Majin look more demonic the further you go in the god script alphabet. The Az majin father option looks completely human. I bet you’d look cool if you gave yourself izhitsa
>>96476682>>96476680>>96476676Options in the CYOA are not the only things possible in the world. A competent mage can extrapolate the cure into a permanent solution.
>>96476678Anons cannot grasp the concept of befriending someone who's not specifically created for that purpose.
>>96476690Peasants are uneducated masses that will easily fall into propaganda and hope.
>>96476678I was not aware that you could spawn 10+ fully grown peasants with guaranteed initial loyalty per day
>>96476655It's 2 minutes of not having to care about injuries at all, it's a good last stand option, and even moreso if you have a trick to just heal yourself back up in those 2 minutes.
>>96476678You don't need to do that either. Just pay people to be your friends, it's the best option since all Outsiders are going to become very wealthy.
>>96476707You mean like Outsiders?
>>96476683Look of Chaos
>>96476683Based. You need to be undead, then be absorbed by a half-empyrean to cause a contradiction in the godscript, but also be a demon without a fate slot, maybe via firt.So you need to give someone fiert and the undead letter and bait absorbtion by Thaumiel. Then all you need is an appropriate letter to cause this sort of curse. Your sacrifice will be remembered long after the ecumene is beaten because all blue haired mithraics will be retarded forever
>>96476713Yes, I already said peasants.
daemonhost + true dragon solipsism is the comboNPCs will seethe at you anyways, so Icon of Icons is worthless. But daemonhost gives you 10 free sacrifices a day. And they can acquire more NPCs to sacrifice if you tell them to.It’s good synergy
>>96476704Right, but the point gain is not worth the time wasted to cure it.
>>96476683Don't do that to Dobrava anon, who else is gonna hax up those encounters for you?
>>96476712Thats not friendship in event he remotest way and I am not being edgy this time
>>96476725I bet Sigard could burn it out.
>>96476722>Speedrun Jobbing: the ComboI don't know Anon, is it?
>>96476722If the idea to sacrifice others is to show how worthless they are when compared to you, then literally spawning them into existence will not really work.
>>96476722>anything + true jobber jobberismDo you enjoy getting mindrped for all eternity?
>>96476726Retarded Dobrava accidentally pushing causality into mishaps all the time is hilarious althougheverbeenit'stnt
>>96476722Solipsism makes you weaker. You are giving permission to the narrative structure of the universe to make you a dyed in the wool loser.
>>96476727Shut the fuck up, the sucker is about to give me money!
>>96476690The point here is the Icon boost from majin friends, you can get majin benefits with just daemonhost.>>96476708>You can't have icon of icons and daemonhost.>But I befriend someone's who has has it!>The majin spawned will loyal to their master not you.>I'll ju6 befriend them the regular old fashioned way!>Well then why don't you just befriend peasants?>I was not aware that you could spawn 10+ fully grown peasants with guaranteed initial loyalty per daywhat?
>all glimpseWasted points. Just ask Paxxia to help you out with it after she rapes you. Even Keter could get it done.
>>96476739So this is Upnth's brother
>>96476678You can't be close friends with peasants. You have nothing in common, nothing to do together, not unless you're even more of a do nothing bum than Tuzik and become an actual farmer or other menial job.
>>96476739>Inborn GiftsWasted points. Use them all on Companions and Mentors and True Love them all, your party will do everything and them become your harem.
>>96476739>Just be tortured/Get mindbroken like DirkNo anon, I don't think I will. You'll have to find another Outsider to indulge your mindbreak fetish
>All this discussion over what the best gift is>Not a single mention of ThoroughbreedingSeriously, guys
>>96476730>>96476731>>96476732>>96476734>WAHHHH WAHHHHHHH JOB!!!!True Dragons won. The elder gods had to reset the universe to avoid them winning. They had to use all the fate they could muster to keep dragonchads down.Spawning in loyal minions and immediately sacrificing them would work in my book, but even then you could just tell them to bring you all the people from the nearest village or whatever.
>>9647674712-chan...
>be me>no creativity>used to wait until the best strategy are found so I'm the strongest and coolest>outer reincarnation>nobody can fucking agree on demonhost or icons of icons or all-glimpseMake up your mind you tards
>>96476739I'm going to pair him with Xaxas, fate will have a fun time with that.
>>96476754We're all Uruks, sorry.
>>96476754Sorry, you are right. Real shame we can't get Savmak's updated version that preserved all glimpse through his entire bloodline
>>96476754Jobberbreeding?No thanks. >>96476182
>>96476759Go for any of them, they're all top 3 gifts and can elevate all but the most retarded of builds.
>>96476739>Just ask Paxxia to help you out with it after she rapes you.How does that work, exactly? You ask her to make you hers while already violated on the floor?
>>96476750You think you will not be mindbroken if you willingly take all-glimpse?
>>96476699
>>96476759>keter mom>Nilmatrix Dobrava Gunter>Icon of Icons/Daemonhost/All-GlimpseYour build is already incongruent, uncool and bad both narratively and on paper at this point
>>96476738Have you never heard of a political endorsement, anon? It's infinitely easier to get a homogenous group of already-organized people to believe in someone or something than it is getting disparate groups of random peasants to do so.
>>96476774I'm not a jobber like you so yes
>>96476694>dissecting my boy EsuYou'll get put into the Tortured-Rape Dungeon for all eternity.
>>96476759They are all extremely good, just take at least 2 and you won't job unless you try HARD.
I need two more childhood events then I'll be done. Ideas?
>>96476779>bad both narrativelyCope. Minmax = Meaning.
>>96476771>Anon is laying on the floor, bloodied and with a broken hip after Paxxia raped him>"Wait... Before you leave... Also ground some blue grease on my eyes until they melt..."She will feel raped after that
>>96476779>Nilmatrix Dobrava GunterOnly Ecumene simps hate this one, I didn't know Charlie taught Morlocks how to shitpost here.
>>96476795And what did you maxx? Nothing.
>>96476800MinmaxMinMeanMeaningMinmax = Meaning Max
>>96476796saved
>>96476755True Jobbers + Jobber Lords = True Lord Jobber.
>>96476789Sneaking out at night with your friends?Day at work with Dad?Market outing with Mom?Day alone in the house?
>>96476759Take All-Glimpse and Icon of Icons, then befriend Daemonhosts.
>>96476806Only thing you minned is braincells
All-Glimpse is a trap gift.
Wisdom is a waste of points.
>>96476800I'm sure to win with all these points while you hide behind "muh meaning" like a cuck. People who expect to win because "my oc is cool" are retarded lmao
>>96476694>>96476786Only All-Glimpse-less weaklings need something as unsophisticated as dissection.
>>96476828>I'm sure to win with all these pointsAbsolute jobber line
>>96476812>Market outing with Mom?I read this as "making out with mom." I could use a few of these as a jumping off point.
>>96476827The cruelty of causality is that the ones who need Wisdom the most won't take it
>>96476750That’s just cause Keter forced him to watch mindbreak hentai
Reminder that if you think that Minmax = Meaning, you're not surviving longer than Erginter.You're basically already are worse than even KEKter.
One companion who doesn't receive much attention, even though she's excellent, is ???. Does her stealth work on a meta level? Do people feel silly typing out her name?
>>96476836Hot, taking her as a mentor immediately.
>>96476834Glad to have helped somewhat!
>>96476836He looked at Multiocular O ripped from the Old Throne
>>96476839She was a hot topic of discussion for several threads a few days ago
>>96476828>People who expect to win because "my oc is cool" are retarded lmaoIsn't that exactly what minmaxfags are doing?
>>96476839I don't really feel a need to since her worth should be obvious, especially if you can teach her Rhucuphre's secrets. Also, she's unfortunately overshadowed by her moms because they're more controversial
>>96476839She's great but not really hooked into any interesting plot lines. Discarded lesbian tube baby isn't really all that outside of the lore implications
>>96476827Name one gift that isn't a waste of points.
>>96476837We truly are from the same group as Erginter, Keter and Charlotte.
>>96476834>making out with mom.Hot, but which mom has the most french kissable lips/face?
>muh giftsTrash tier next to 0^0 with untimeskip. Strongest obtainable ability in the CYOA.
>>96476855Ebon, my beloved
>>96476861>action has consequencesI've learned this lesson by putting my hand on a stove. This is a waste of points.
>>96476855Bitter Sickness
>>96476855Intelligence if you buy any other mental gifts
>>96476855Meandering Thoughts because it changes absolutely nothing to my life.
>>96476839>>96476854??? works best as a twist villain, getting found and trained by Rhucuphre to take revenge on her deadbeat moms and accelerate the pandaemonium plot.
>>96476855None, because Ancestry Points are not all usable for good stuff so you are forced to burn them on gifts.
>>96476871>"Ill teach you that actiions have consequences"I know that's and extremely complex thing for a woman to grasp. But it's quite easy for most anons.
>>96476777>digitsThat’s cool as fuck
>>96476881Yeah but that's still a boring story. "Booo my moms didnt love me" shut up>>96476887To be fair it might end up Dobrava tier but that would be slightly broken
>>96476861>t. Jobs to Death of the Author.
>>96476722>>96476755I would completely understand if it was Inhumanity + True Drakonic Solipsism, because the Uruk literally is (You), but Daemonhost? I just don't think Solipsism as a model would stand up to inspection when you implicitly acknowledge the existence of other people by literally making them out of Godscript. It's a big self-own fuel if Fate is around to author things.
>>96476892>shut upShe did.
>>96476887She's still avoiding accountability for her fuck ups.
>>96476898God tier writing, thank you Tankista.
>>96476898Not cool, anon.
>>96476892>Yeah but that's still a boring story. "Booo my moms didnt love me" shut upWhy wouldn't she be mad at her parents for abandoning her?
>>96476897>implicitly acknowledge the existence of other people by literally making them out of GodscriptI dont think so. Draconic solipsism asserts that only (you) are real, ergo meaning can only come from what (you) create. Your majin are meaningful because they are your creations, not because they exist as “people”.
>>96476887>>96476898Unrealistic depictions of women. Appeals to the male fantasy.
>>96476902Not for long, (You) are their consequences.
>>96476898That's deep...
>>96476712anon...
>>96476898CARLOS FFS
>>96476905She can do that alright, I just don't want to hear, see, or experience any of that. Tankista really was ahead on that one given her powers.
What badass one-liner are you going to tell Charlie before you kill her?>actions have consequences
>>96476925>Kill herI'm going to isekai her back to earth, as a random hobo named Xi
>>96476925>"I'll have sex with your warm corpse"
>>96476925>"Hey. I fucked your daughter."
None of you are prepared for what lies at the end of your road.
>>96476925>"Let's fight again in the next world, okay?"
>>96476955DMT, Ketamine, Ayahuasca all at once. Easy fix.
>>96476925>"Xi you later!" Then I isekai her
>>96476971With the Greater Warmachina Truck-kun?
>>96476925>"Never forget that I love you."
>>96476974Reading my mind rn
>>96476974you jest but that would probably work
>>96476860That one blue drakonid mom I don't care to remember the name of.
>>96476925>"And by the way, physics isnt real"
>>96476860Ymreit
>>96476925>"Thanks for warming up my Seat."
>>96476971This one wins
>>96476925>"Thread archived"
>>96476925>"Earth blew up by the way."
>>96476925>"Now let's see if you can take True Dick."
>>96476925>Damn, I should have taken Cognitive Speed after all, hold on a second.
>>96476925>"I thought you were stronger."
>>96476925>"Should've picked Wisdom, retard"
>>96476925>Right behind you.
>>96476925>"Why does the all-glimpse tell me you are happy"
>>96476925>"Omae wa......mou shindeiru"
>>96476983>>96476989Correct answer.
>>96477017>Charlotte gives you the most radiant smile you've ever seenFreedom at last.
>>96476925>‘In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god’s blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.'She will know I'm a kindred soul, yet her intelligence, well, it couldn't quite compare to mine.
>>96476925>"gg ez no re"
>>96476925>"your story ended long ago, I'm just closing your epilogue"and then YMRD instantly falls for me and marries me
>>96477051missing a>"...baka"
>>96476925>"Jnpl still loves you"
>>96476925"Want to see me do it again?"Activate Eye of Yore that I've been sealing with Kneeling Twilight trick.
Imagine [YMRD] needing to take on the duties of Fate & Chance while also tard-wrangling Twelve.>"No, Anon, blue grease was not prominently used for sexual lubrication. Stop asking."
>>96476925>Next time, maybe I'll teach you how airplanes work without magic
>>96477129>anon makes Ecumene but more realisticganbatte
>>96476925>Lord forgive me for what my pen do>This is for your sins, I cleanse you
>>96477150>anon explodes due to minor spelling errorsugoi
>>96474665The spellscrafts are the most interesting part of the cyoa. Too bad >>96474714. Still had fun limiting myself.
>>96477160Technically, that’s a grammar error.
>>96476925"Wait, I'm doing this? Me? I was sure it was gonna be one of the Az anons"
>>96477172What kills more thoroughly, spelling errors or grammatical errors?
>>96476925>to hell with that chocolate factory
>Want more Companions>Don't want to worship 0^0
>>96477172I thought it was "penis does" -> "pen do"? I interpreted that as spelling error
>>96477184You don't need both legs
>>96477184Use the Keter trick, hahahaha. You know you want to. Do it.
>>96476503I think the only 5 point equivalent gift people agree is bad is Grey Wandering. Daemonhost, Icon of Icons, All Glimpse, and Warmachina are all good.
>>96477184Are you going to be blonde, anon?
>>96477179Spelling.Grammar probably just makes the spell do something unintended, not meatcube you. Besides, it’s all about the meaning behind the words.
>>96477184Do the ketter trick, choose palitiner poly or everman bi to keep. Become popularest.
>>96477184I'm sure the Eternal Curse is not that bad.
the gift that lets you know what a spell would do without casting it is unironically stronger than all glimpseUnless you want to be turned inside out.
>>96477200Dark elven races are inferiors to human races in terms of points.
>>96477206Mom always said it's what's on the inside that counts so why not show the world?
>>96477211Immortality with a plot hook though.
>>96477221Right, but points are the topic.
For those who have Gunter in your party:You come across a powerful spellcaster or Majin that takes over Gunter and his party like puppets and forces his team to try and kill you against their will. Are you fucked?
>>96477184Unnotable Ones can be dice fudged into mentor or companion slots.
>>96477235Terrible waste of slots.
>>96477235Are you sure?
>>96477193>>96477199Keter trick doesn't give you more slots, and to buy more slots you also need AP.
>>96477278Nah, it's only a waste of Dice Fudges. With Spriggan and Everman you can turn your free Dice Fudges into a net gain of 3 destiny points.
>>96477184>>96477287Fae Spriggan bilingual, and pick the right parents.
>>96477299That one does work, but then you run into the problem of how severely restricted on Companions (and Mentors) you'd be only knowing Fay and Spriggan.
>>96477296>>96477235Unnotable Ones explicitly cannot be Dice Fudged, read Dice Fudge description.
>>96473313You can activate it yourself by casting a spell that drains your blood and then puts it back in.I'm gonna take it for my build.
>>96477299Everyone who doesn't know those languages will require an extra 3 destiny points. It won't be that many.
>>96477320Aw dangit.
>>96477235>bilingual fay and everman to get one of each >race and location that give mentor slots>take 4 dice fudged unnotable mentors for 20 destiny at the cost of 4 ancestry>buying more slots to do this costs 3 ancestry and gives 5 destiny eachIf only Dice Fudge worked on Unnotable Ones, then Burn the Past would be useless...
What do you think of my Malice list?> Mothers: Xaxas A: Dobro (execution) Mada B: Cherv' (sickness)> Fathers: Mor C: R'tsy (magical mishap) Hladvig Tehom B: Yer (exile death) Kuz'ma Ordo-Dorian A: Myslete (comatose) Sawarmag A: Lyudi (betrayal) Makariy C: Tverdo (thirst and hunger)> Mentors: Opoia A: Yest' (wildlife) Alisa B: Yer' (fear) Gwriel C: Iotated Ouk (spirit devoured) Rhucuphre C: Slovo (spontaneous death)> Companions: Alezandre C: Iotated Yest' (turn into animal) Du'um C: Tsy (leaves and never appears again in this story) No strategic plan, just getting rid of troublesome figures, the ones who might benefit Charlie. Of Dorian powers I'll prioritize the interests of the Empire, they're the primary anti-Charlie force with the bastion in Tsoshu. Xaxas: tries to provoke war between Dragon Realm and Empire. Mada: advocates conciliation with Charlie, will probably just end up Charlie stooge in practice. Mor: pandemonium. Hladvig Tehom: tries to fuck up Doria to create opportunities for plots. Kuz'ma Ordo-Dorian: pro-Charlie. Maybe Jdan will mind, if he finds out I assigned him a death? Eh fuck it, Jdan probably won't find out. Sawarmag: will try to secede from the Empire. Makariy: pandemonium. Opoia: pro-Charlie. Alisa: murders a lot, possibly some important people. Gwriel: defeatist, pushes Empire for random wars. Rhucuphre: pandemonium. Alezandre: Tenebrae terrorist. If turned to animal, he'll hopefully continue living for a while, mindlessly, so the curse won't pass on soon. Du'um: close to pandemonium, generally dangerous unless harnessed.
>>96477357>Du'um C: Tsy (leaves and never appears again in this story)I'm not sure why you'd use Tsy with malice, ever. That said, it's actually lethal again when applied to Pixies because of their unique immortality.
>>96477380I took "leave and disappear" to mean that they stop being relevant to my story and to things that could affect me. You're saying it's meant more literally and they may affect me, I just literally can't find them?
>>96477329>10,000 heart beatsWhat if you make yourself undead so your heart stops beating entirely?Do eternal curse havers have a pulse?
>>96477357Eh, Mada knows that Charlie as she is right now would simply dismiss them or try to turn them into her proxies, her whole idea is to make her accept herself as a new pillar rather than a different divinity.And Gwiriel is just pro republic, he's in fact against random wars.
What should we start the new thread with?
>>96473313>Human/Beastfolk>at risk with Underdwelers, Aranea, and others because of BeastfolkHmm, I should be human only. Longevity doesn't particularly matter to me anyway.
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>>96477431Hybrid Disease is a spook. Just Undeath one half and you are good.
>>96477396I realize that immediately contradicted myself. Tsy is normally completely non-fatal except when Pixies have it because it's a true death. That means that it works for the normal purposes of malice (this bothered me when I was trying to find a good letter for Zu'us). Malice is for taking down characters who are an undesired influence in the world, however, Tsy means that they still influence the world, they're just not in touch with you. Since Malice is usually a death note for killing people that you are unlikely to naturally kill, you're just repeating your lack of intention to interact with that person which is the default relationship between nearly all people on the planet. You're not changing anything.
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>>96477320FUCK my peasantmaxxing build is illegal now
>>96477331Pretty much, if you want to do the Fay/Spriggan combo you HAVE to combine it with the Keter trick to afford tutoring for the Companions you want who don't speak those two languages. If you feel the Keter trick is too cheesy you probably won't be able to do the Fay/Spriggan trick unless you just coincidentally only want to be friends with pixies/spiders/drow.
All this talk of the language page just clued me in that with a little change I can gain 5 more destiny points, cool. Nothing to spend it on though with all my slots full.
What even is a worthy goal for OR?If you are trying to do what's best for everyone, you ought to help 0^0 genocide the immortal races to help the ascension plan along.If you are trying to make the world a better place, you would need to do the same so there is no more need for challenger races like the Majin, then exterminate Uruks. But the gods would probably topple that anyway to keep the fun coming.So you are reduced to picking a challenge and going with it. Battling 0^0 is worthy indeed but she is literally doing the Gods work and though she is almost done she is in no position to actually challenge the gods or even the world after Orthrung ... the expanded races really make that clear. Sure there is some minor harm in her making too many empyreans but she stopped.The other challenges I came up with are stealthily transcending by infiltrating her empyrean elites and otherwise stacking mentors with Vedi so the next Outsider can take her down as a side quest, or uniting humanity. This second one is actually rather easy because tank designed a path for it involving omega, but ultimately that's just an arbitrary bout of tribalism as well because 0^0 is ultimately solving the ascension game by bringing the world to the modern era of mostly independent warring humanities (Underdwellers don't really change much about the equation).Maybe the 6th truly was the most enlightened Outsider.
>>96477509Why do you people not reply to the cyoa?
>>96477526Why would I. You either read and respond or you dont, not like its a build. If you wanted to filter, tough luck.
>>96477509It's as if, this was all about the Meaning of life-world-story itself. /sIt just depends on how you view your build's character and how you interpret the story honestly. 0^0's continued existence will hinder any possible ascensions, but 0^0's Ascent has to have Meaning, why Causality usurps Providence. At its core, disregarding the textures of the world, OR is about what you fill that void in no?
>>96477509>what goal do you set aside from dealing with 0^0Doing what you want to do. Other people can’t come up with that for you. Sitting around with your waifu might be fulfilling to you, it might not.If you really can’t think of anything at all, seek out what (you) need to experience to ascend your soul.>she is in no position to actually challenge the gods or even the world after OrthrungGods, maybe not, but she doesn’t need to. The world, no, she absolutely is planning that and will do so relatively soon. See: Jdan.
>>96477509Terraform Orthrung back to a liveable state via Zhivete Majin slowly undoing the damage.
>>96477509>genocide the immortal races to help the ascension plan along.With [JNPL] being "dead" the ascension plan is halted. Reincarnation works but without the mom gods help to apply Meaming to their deaths, it's not helping the ascension at all.
>>96477509>genocide the immortal races to help the ascension plan alongReminder that it was an immortal, Mithra, who happened to ascend.
>live until you die of old age>your 70s as a beastfolk How did 6th cheat his death?
>>96477569Hard drugs.
Can you still apply Never Alone for Gunter to make him a childhood friend? He is there for all your encounters so it says not to choose one for him, but Never Alone adds a childhood aspect to it. Does this imply he is there for your childhood if you do not apply it?
>>96477509Minmaxxing.
>>96477559This is a good one but done in a single combination and some asspulling so eh>>96477552>muh hedonismThis is an attempt at discussing something approaching an objective outlook on the setting, I wouldn't actually struggle to come up with some random core concept for a build, but finding out what the setting actually needs is more interesting>>96477537>>96477563I re-read the opening that was already pushed out of my ram and you are right. But why is that the case. Might well just be some dramatic incitement because ultimately charlottes impact is just the synthesis of 2 things the gods played with over the course of the entire known history: getting rid of long lived races and uniting humanity and then splitting it by ill fate. Kind of like what they had happen on Poluden with the eternal religious wars. I don't see why Charlotte would be a threat to that.JPNL pretends to be dead and that the Elder Gods couldn't end the Ecumene with a snap but breaks character so I don't necessarily trust her presentation on that.
>>96477357Greater Yus on Alezandre. Fate dictates that it actually works, it's hard for him to end up any worse than he is, and there's a chance it also works on his curse and neutralizes it for good.
>>96477583Charlotte specifically wants to destroy meaning and purpose because she is having a temper tantrum. She blames Providence for why her life sucked instead of her own actions, so she wants to destroy it while blaming everyone (except herself) for their problems. The hidden text on the Ecumene (which is mostly blather) does also state people living there slave away in wagecuck hell, like a miserable pointless corporate job. If you subscribe to the theory that the Elder Gods LET her ascend, then the Meaning is not derived from her control but in what her Ascent Means to her soul and the souls of the people who oppose her, like yours. And in that view the eventual goal is her loss, so she and you and everyone else can continue gaining Meaning.
>>96477552Didn't really respond to the second half of this. Jdan is stuck in the Muddish kali yuga and can't halt the destined descent of his people. That does include the Ecumene but can't be extrapolated on all the world.Charlotte is struggling to hold Mamet, her hordes of Morlocks are really not all that scary, she managed to catch a bloody nose against the elves, the actual permajobbers of the setting for a thousand years. And towards the end of that thousand years of only descending without a single step forward too!Meanwhile humanity is the strongest it has been since the Second, and the Empire actually never had a set back yet - all while humans are meant to take over from the long lived races anyway
>>96477601What Charlotte wants or doesn't want or what she thinks she is doing isn't really all that relevant.The wagecuck hell narrative holds a point but clashes with the simultaneous total war narrative AND the simultaneous insane independence in her governance extensively described in the extended races. She is basically only gathering cadres of elite empyreans, charging her icon of icons by demanding worship in the continent most prone to religious schisms and secret continuation of religions, and sending mook armies of Morlocks around.So which one is it, total war, meaningless waging or enough independence to fool everyone down there into liking her?
>>96477604>all while humans are meant to take over from the long lived races anywayPoint of order, the Elder Gods literally only wanted to get rid of elves. They don't want to touch Beastmen or Underdwellers, who live longer than humans but are mortal. Made no specific moves against Pixies and Aranea who only got fucked as collateral. Didn't even try to wipe out Asura and Daeva, humans gaining control back from them was literally an Asura's own personal plot. I don't think they're prioritizing humans at all, they just don't like agelessness.
>>96477617>So which one is it, total war, meaningless wagingYou do realize a war is conducted at home too, right? She can't literally send all her people into battle, for every army there are even MORE people back hope handling production and supply, and those people themselves need civilian industries and services to support them.
Humans are durable enough to suffer tremendously while weak enough to die in myriad exquisite manners.
>>96477583>>96477617Left unopposed, while the present material conditions are still Meaning-generating, I think 0^0's World Conquest will naturally just, leave only one possible conclusion for everyone else? She's reducing a multipolar world into a singularly focused on her world with the Antikrator Cult. Subjectively, I feel like it would cleave away a lot possible conclusions, identities, roles for people. Induce jobbing for eternity if the conclusions are carried naturally.
>>96477647Granted.Meanwhile after deciding god is dead and I am free I have concluded that there's value in pulling a Sarmat and cleaning up lesser evils. Or righting the historical wrong done to the Sierogrivians by the m*ddish first and the southlanders second.Though that feels like pussying out of the bigger issue.>>96477657In the trinity of "they are loyal because they are granted freedom", "they are living meaningless lives of oppression" and "there is a literal world war happening" there is tension between all three even if not necessarily in the cherrypicked most compatible two.>>96477671I don't think that would be the case because there is still struggle within the Ecumene because, again, her subjects are organized in those loose Ordinates rather than a feudal (or corporate) system. Though I like the "unite everyone as much as possible to oppose her" aspect too. Less about beating her and more about giving people as much meaning in opposing her as possible.
>>96477690Living in wagecuck hell is a blessing when you used to live in a giant salt-cavern underground with no food except cave moss and your brother's dead body. Morlocks are pretty much the perfect people to accept a corporate dystopia because anything is an improvement over their former material conditions.
>>96477664So true, I fucking hate dragons.
>>96477664>>96477706Turn into a shota and get domesticated already.
>>96477702Doesn't track. They have been on the surface in charge of a significant empire with races in chattle slavery for 450 years.
>>96477713Those chattel races were in the middle of rising up and genociding them.
>>96477718I realized I can't argue against the in-universe outcome
>>96477690I think a synthesis of that trinity would be something along the lines of "They are loyal because they are granted freedom, and through that freedom would they choose meaningless lives of oppression, because the world is wrong and so must they sacrifice and suffer strife until the world is right."But besides that, like I agree, there's still meaning in existing under her rule, but the Ecumene seeks to make their existence be the universal meaning. It's an ecumene. By seeking to claim everything, they're limiting what everything could be. Every soul has to grind out Meaning out of a little bit fewer possible beginnings and ends, and they'll walk into their doom in perpetuity because 0^0 promises a material utopia.
>>96477728Just remember that everything was Providence until the minute Charlotte went up there and killed JNPL, and that includes the Morlocks getting genocided by vengeful Gnomes and Charlotte going to help both of them out, which she'd be up to before her ascent.
>>96477739She doesn't want to let them reincarnate either, making their own personal accrual of meaning and Ascent impossible. That's the entire point of the Evdokia experiment, to try and make a heaven to block the cycle.
>>96477739>>96477741So if the ultimate goal then is to maximize struggle, is splitting up the Ecumene by inciting the weaker links (Underdwellers, Kristi) or reviving the Mithras cult for the 78234658th time the play?Unifying the rest of the world and leading them to victory seems to be the wrong choice because it would just make you a mirror then.Aat did basically that for the entire existence of Majin.
>>96477770>it would just make you a mirror thenYou're under Providence so you're specifically not a mirror, since you're bringing JNPL back. Don't expect your empire to be eternal though, it's only going to last long enough to be remembered for another thousand+ years as a Golden Age that can influence everyone, inspire lots of new plot threads, and add so much to the story.
>>96477760Personally, the Heaven that she's clearly pursuing is probably objectively materially good for everyone, so I can't judge her that much for it. I'm optimistic that people will end up just grinding something out of it out of whatever margins escaped Charlie's notice.>>96477770Just have a way to remove 0^0 from the board for a while, and let the natural conclusions of her beliefs and methods play out. Inflaming internal tensions now is just asking for her to Word of God all of them into mockeries of themselves. Or plunge the whole world into dreams. Birth a thousand thousand lesser worlds into the making. Rhucuphre has the right idea.
>>96477770>reviving the Mithras cultThe Mithraic mysteries were an actual real world religion, you know.
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>>96477799Yeah, I thought to remember it donated the sacrificial king to christianity but was wrong about it, then got stuck on the wikipedia page marveling at how hermeticism is basically just hte first grade and getting confused because the highest one is related to saturn in complete inversion of the greeks. As far as I know apart from the name nothing really went into OR?>>96477797Aren't dreams inherently meaningless? In the terms of the cyoa, obviously.
>>96476320SRTRDeath: [Buki]Outer TideMaleMother: Zwa Aureole [Her'v]Father: Iwnn Aureole [Cherv]>I get this technically make me inbred? But I'm an outsider, so I suppose it should be fine. Initially I wanted to go for an unnotable mother, but honestly, it kinda feels like Iwnn and Zwa were meant to be paired, given their intersecting storylines. Also the point synergy.Race: Northerner (duh)No language bonuses - in addition to Everman, Old Northern, and Elven-Northern that my parents have, I'll take Sylphid and Entramithratic.Location: The Empire of Light and Dark (The Everrising City)>This entire build is based around the Aureole family, so I feel like this is a no-brainer.Inborn gifts: Ethereal beauty, boiling blood, second wind, cognitive speed, intelligence, martial instinct, noble inclination, eye for shadows, icon of icons, fighter's eye, treacherous palm, royal claim>Martial instinct, eye for shadows, icon of icons, and royal claim are free.Mentors: Gwriel [Glagoli], Zu'us [Tverdo-Yee]Companions: Evdokia [Dobro-Zhivete], Kalliopa Aureole [Myslete], Omega [Ot], NilmatrixEncounters:>Never alone - Evdokia>Nothing ever happens - Gwriel>A Massacre at Midnight - Zu'us>On the edge - Kalliopa>Ready, aim, thunder - Omega>Shadow of God - NihlmatrixYouth: Martial training, leadership training, profane lore, natural philosophyQuest: Ameno
The Outsiders are fated to fail and die no matter what, even if it takes many hundreds of years.It's just a test to see if you are worthy of becoming a god before everyone else.Everything you do is recorded and logged down, and in the end you shall be judged.
>>96477816It's weird that the Empire opposes incest when they basically seem to lucidly go for the play of integrating bloodlines they conquer into their royal line via the royal concubine mistresses. Though maybe this pairing was just useless and bound to produce an heir hindering this goal?
>>96477809>Yeah, I thought to remember it donated the sacrificial king to christianity but was wrong about it, then got stuck on the wikipedia page marveling at how hermeticism is basically just hte first grade and getting confused because the highest one is related to saturn in complete inversion of the greeks.>As far as I know apart from the name nothing really went into OR?I suppose you could see the Outsider System as being loosely based on the sacrificial king concept . . .but that'd really be a stretch. And if you're going to stretch that far, you could argue things like SRTR is the goddess of arete (the pursuit of excellence).
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>>96477823Incest isn't conductive to marrying some princess who gives you a whole new chunk of land to annex into your empire.
>>96477816>so I feel like this is a no-brainerYeah it's pretty no-brained, you started in the middle of the capital where your aunts want to kill your ass.
>>96477832Oh that tickles me. Though I would say she is more directly inspired by Satan as the challenger in her personification as she delights in tearing down too much. Arete is only really there in the aspect of Fortuna which would me YMRD for obvious reasons and also seems to fit the whole favor thing going on with Fortuna and Arete. JNPL would be the whats on the tin, Providence and Meaning, and a God to trust in for a beneficial outcome. The outsider system as a sacrificial king is an incredibly fun interpretation but I agree that it's a stretch in that it is most likely not inspired by it directly.Though there were many moments reading it where I thought subordinating one's own fate for a great benefit was outright being offered,
>>96477816>Shadow of God - Nihlmatrix>Quest: AmenoI think this is the deadest build so far.
>>96477841It's conducive to collecting all the royal dragon balls:>Empire: Have the blessing of the Funeral Bureau>Exarchate: Be an outsider or descendant of one >Old Throne: Be muddish>Malkuth: Worship JNPL (?)>Citrine: be "golden hue'd"Only way to strive for that by converging bloodlines without the liberties granted by the outsider system is marriage, children, incest. And the ethnic/dynastic necessities are way less liberal
>>96477823This is the one instance of me minmaxing, which normally I'm personally opposed to since I feel like it makes creating the character less fun. I find it more fun to just create what I feel like would result in a fun story (kind of like how the three elder gods would like it, actually). But the point synergy was just too good for me to ignore. Besides, it ought to be some nice drama to kick off the story. >>96477844The fuck do I start then, on the moon? It's a no brainer in the sense that it's the choice that actually makes sense. Yeah, technically I could justify being born elsewhere with some plot BS about how Zwa ran away all by herself, somehow, and gave birth to my character elsewhere, but I feel like logistically, it's most reasonable to say my character is born in the capital. I'll put it at that before 0^0 starts to praise my dedication to logic though.Besides, it's the imperial capital! That's a cool place to be born.
>>96477869Oh you're the dumbo trying to square the circle.
>>96477853Nah, I'd win.Jokes aside, even if I lose, at least it'll be a cool death, right?
>>96473313>Soul Revolving[-5 Ancestry Points]The gift of life, granted sixfoldSix souls, only one of which is your original, will be born in your body and inherit your memories. Each soul will experience its own reality where it is the "main" you, and no soul will know which one is the original. Because the amount and quality of spiritual enrichment varies between the souls, each version of you will make slightly different decisions in its own reality. Over time, these differences will compound, leading to six genuinely different selves, each of which has its own experiences and expertise to draw on.You will be able to call on these other selves for aid by allowing them to temporarily take control of your body, using their abilities to solve problems in your reality. They, in turn will be able to do the same for you -- though you will remember these summons only through dreams.When all six lives have met their final true end, your original soul will receive the memories of all six lives and decide which one should become the true story of the world that you left behind.[wild speculation based on nothing but a name is fun!]
>want to play OR>constantly get cognitive dissonance when i try to interact with the CYOA
>>96477870A neighboring region where your exiled mother would be first when being exiled which she canonically is.
>>96477875It's very possible if you have a child with Omega, who is golden hued, related to the Aureole Line via charly. You are an outsider and just need to be muddish (disgusting) and roll well on children. I samefagged the reply about squaring the circle to incite some competitive contrarian to help me. Unsuccessfully in that regard but glad it was memorable regardless
>>96477879It can't be that hard
>>96477889I'm the person telling you there's equal Meaning in defying/breaking prophecies in stories, it's a whole thing. But I realize that for you the autism over it is the appeal rather than the achievement itself.
>>96477879I bounced off the visuals at first and now I love it. You can do it.
>>96477893>for you the autism over it is the appeal rather than the achievement itself.Aren't those just 2 slightly different ways of liking the challenge?
>>96477901If someone is just interested in the narrative of conquest/unity, they can write a good story without playing into the prophecy. If someone is interested in mainly in trying to fit all the prophecies at once with conquest/unity as a consequence, then it's less about being a compelling story and more about creating an autism lore masterstroke. Are you SRTR or YMRD, basically.
>>96477906Yeah, that aligns. To make matters worse I also made a SRTR build and if a JNPL build didn't sound dreadfully boring I'd make it for autistic completionism too.Though I accept circumventing prophecies I am not really familiar with stories that actually manage to negate them? Isn't the general gist usually that fate catches up with you, like the death letters in OR do when you don't make them impossible.Especially with kingship it is even more important because the loyalty of the people may depend on it. See: the Citrines specifically being satisfied with Charlotte for the golden hue despite her not being male. If a golden hue'd male comes along and pretends to be the avatar of redacted there would be an immediate schism to abuse. Same without the dynastic claims and all the other qualifiers.
>>96477917How does one untie the gordian knot? You cut it.
>>96477890>>96477895It doesn't help that shit isn't even named stuff that makes sense. Sentences are crossed out. The first choice section isn't even clear on what it is you're even choosing.
>>96477927But anon, this is the Bayeux Tapestry of the royal lines woven from the strings of fate by three goddesses. Please don't cut it.>>96477929Gets better after the first page and if you dont know what sex to choose I can't really help you (go female and choose a nice picture, no reason)
>>96477849I see a bit of influence from Eastern Orthodox Christianity, but Tankista did a good job not outright copying any real world elements.
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>want to engage with the premise of a CYOA on its stated terms>reading a cyoa about being a girl>there's an option to be male>not a crossdresser or intersex just literally a guy>it's appealing enough to overwrite my interest in the author's intent>I feel like I'm disrespecting the premise even though I'm using a given option in good faithWho else has this problem?
>>96477940>a bitWell, the god script is old church slavonic merged with the myth around hebrew (godscript belief irl)
>>96477952And Enochian, a language that was said to be magical.
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>>96477949There's fun in testing how true you can stay to yourself in cyoas like that. BTGs stuff is basically a fortitude check with power offered standing against inherent dislike of his fetishes.>>96477958Makes sense. Did that play into the Majin by any chance`All I know is that it was made up by Dee
>>96477952What are your godletters?
>>96477970This must be Theosophist fuckery, right?
>>96477949Not me. In fact, I'm more incentivized to play your CYOA if there's an option to be the one special male among the female-exclusive "elites", like Witch Awakening and Seinaru. It's not even for the waifus, I just like being an odd case.
>>96477965Sorry - I know Enochian exists, but not much beyond that. Anyone else?
>>96477972Mildly influenced, Richard Shaver is more of his own thing, like Rael before Rael if he was also a monster-girl connoisseur.
>>96477979Beyond John Dee inventing it (or receiving it or whatever the claim may have been) I know that his whole shtick was Angel magic. Angels and letters ~> Majin was the association behind the question.
>>96477982That sounds incredibly intriguing and I will look it up
>>96477970My name is pretty scary in Lemurian.
>>96477992We Know Derrick
>>96477993Wrong but that's a pretty scary name too.
>>96477987Oh this guy! I remember reading about him but the association with the more tryhard esoterics didn't ring the bell. The complete batshit outgrowths of pulp have similar charms to what attracts me to cyoas in a broad sense. Including the cranks, though he definitely takes it a few steps further.
>northerner>krysti>both white hairedSo Omega dies her hair blonde right?
>>96478055It might be the descent from Mithra, an Asura. There is an otherwise unjustifiable amount of text on how Asura (and Daeva) have no color, but an aura that makes their hair appear like it is golden/purple
>Trying to decide what to buy with my 5 new Destiny Points>Can't buy new languages because they'd fuck my bilingual bonus>No more Mentor or Companion slots, and I don't want to replace the ones I have>Already bought a Yee and don't want to make anyone undead>I don't like Untimeskip because it cuts off valuable plot threads/stories >I strategically maximized my encounters so paying to combine or skip one isn't a benefit to me>Could easily convert it into 3-5 AP to spend on gifts, or else split it just enough to buy one more cheap Mentor/Companion with Adoption, but I like my parents and don't want to boot one or bothStuck between a rock and a hard place here, it's either kicking out one of my parents or trading a friend or two in for a more powerful one.
>>96478062Tutor some NPCs in whatever you'd find useful.
>>96478062You can buy another Yee now, made explicit by both letter variations having an iconIf you didnt use high value uruk events you can potentially buy a slot and be fully refunded for it and then have some leftover that may be worthwile
>>96478062Buy a companion slot and convert it into AP with an Uruk Encounter that gives 2AP.
Hope everyone has a good weekend.
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So does every person born here reincarnate?
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>>96478083Outsiders? An instance isn't an automatic application, your choice.In world? Yes, a lot of them die to Dei's remembrance. At least the Majin.
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>>96478093So "Josephus" is probably the Wandering Jew. "Baron", "Student", and "Phoenix" are self evident. Who's "Declarant"?
>>96478065Tutor just lets you teach languages and there's really no value doing that unless you want to slot someone who doesn't speak one of yours natively.>>96478067No Uruks, but the problem is to get the AP to buy a slot, I must convert DP to AP, and the only way to do that us with Adoption. So we run into the "kick a parent out of your life" issue.>>96478068I need 1 seed AP for that. I guess I can do that by taking away one of my gifts temporarily (in accounting terms.) 2 DP/1 AP -> 2 DP/2 AP -> 2 DP/1 AP (after rebuying the gift.) Then I could buy another companion slot. The only Companion who could go in it would be Su'uq, but I'd need to tutor her in my language. The result would be 2 DP/0 AP, because I only spent 3 of my original 5. So there's still a 2 DP waste, even if I did some more tortured accounting there's no more 0 DP Companions. Or instead of buying Su'uq, I could fill the slot with the 1 DP/2 AP Uruk. The result then is 3 DP/2 AP. I could then buy 1-2 more Gifts, or buy a Mentor slot, and the Mentors I could put in there would be any 2 slot who can speaking either of my languages or any 1 slot period.
>>96478116That said I honestly don't know if my build can take out a Troll at 16 or not, no physical gifts at all.
>>96478116Do you really have to always have 0 or more points? Isn't it just ending with 0+?
>>96478116Just dip into the negative, as long as you get positive after it doesnt matter? It refunds more than it needs, thats the point>>96478124Yeah, Anon is being a dummy
>>96478111>Who's "Declarant"?The archangel Gabriel, perhaps? With his hand broken from the backlash of playing the Trumpet (of the apocalypse)? Or maybe to prevent him from playing it further?
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>>96478124>>96478126In practical terms taking away one gift temporarily is actually irrelevant to the final result. Whether I go from 2 DP/0 AP -> 0 DP/-1 AP -> 2 DP/1 AP, or +1 AP-> 2 DP/1 AP -> 0 DP/0 AP -> 2 DP/2 AP -> 2 DP/1 AP, as you can see, the actual end result is the exact same. So that accounting is the least important bit of my post. In actuality my choices are put simply getting Su'uq but having 2 waste DP I can't do anything worthwhile with, not even Uruk slot trading, or getting one more 1-2 cost Mentor of my choice and having none or at most 1 waste DP.
>>96478136Ditch the Yee if its just a contingency and not part of some bigbrain move?Maybe you can push someone to adoption?Are the languages definitely 100% optimal?
>>96478111Who do you think "Student" is?
>>96478144A generic succubus character.
>>96478062Post your build so that the master auditors can tell you why you are actually missing 2DP and not ahead 5.
>>96478153Really? I was thinking someone like Nimue, who seduced Merlin into teaching her how to seal a wizard away for ever . . .and then promptly did so to him.
>>96478157He probably posted on the druidic equivalent of 4chan. In the CYOL thread specifically.
>>96478164>In the CYOL thread specificallyCYOL?
>>96478188Choose your own Legend. They were epic like that back then.
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>>96478142>Ditch the Yee if it's just a contingencyTechnically it is, it's applied to Savmak with an Iotated Ouk. It's a death she can escape but not an easy one since the natural end resolution is a soul contest with the other Savmak, and I'm not prone to overconfidence.>Maybe you can push someone to AdoptionAdoption was always a choice, probably more optimal, but I don't feel too happy about ditching a parent. Mother would screw up my story as I imagined it pretty bad. Dad is possible but like I said, just wouldn't feel happy about doing it.>Are the languages definitely 100% optimalNo, it's Everman/Old Northern Bilingual. It's absolutely possible to get more out of both, but that involves changing my characters. Everman is Everman, but C-slot Old Northerners don't teach me or do anything I want outside the one I already have (Feodrwa) so they're not getting swapped in. Or wait, I can Quieten Old Northern instead of Spriggan or Fay, use my 2 remaining DP to tutor the two characters who spoke it in Everman, and via bilingual Spriggan/Fay have 4 AP without losing anything. If I wanted to take away Savmak's Yee I could turn that into more AP or a Mentor and some left over, but I am hesitant to do that. Or just spend the points on magic feet or hands or something. Don't have the time to do the math on it right now but I'll think on it later.>>96478156I'm brainstorming a change that will give me 5, it's not in my build yet.
>>96478207>both Savmak's were doomed by a contingencycinema
Apologies if this had been answered before, but does this mean a Southerner X Northerner build results in getting Hybrid Disease? Because that'll be weird.
>>96478333It does
>>96478333The wizard adopted dad is even an example of it.
>>96478338>>96478350>Mixing together Pixie and Elf will have you turn out perfectly fine but mixing Southern human and Northern human makes you inbred, infertile, and with reduced lifespanI can't be the only one to point out how illogical it is. That's so limiting.
>>96473329Somehow, after almost 20 attempts Escher has finally found another Outsider to settle on Yest' . Too bad he doesn't aknowledge anyone's existence and just mumbles something about Fly Baron.Thaumaradrak has left poor Zemlya alone to terrorize Dobro instead, while Valar predictably landed straight into St. Eirina's Hermitage even without taking Eirina. Blazhko and Gunter are a menace.
>>96478356Halfbreeds are rare, it's not a concern for most regular people. This is mostly there to deter people from grabbing a gorillion free points.
>>96477816Another one who didn't reply to the CYOA and almost went unnoticed. I'll add you to the new version.
>>96478356>illogicalnot really; it's a fantasy world, where everything's explicitly working differently deep down, with arbitrary fantasy rules instead
How many more weeks of Outer Reincarnation discussion is left to go?I want to move on to the next OC.
Alright then>>96477598I'll do that.>>96477380>>96477440I'll let the Tsy remain then, because the contradiction is flavorful.>>96477418>And Gwiriel is just pro republic, he's in fact against random wars.His Character Traits section says he is opposed to coexistence with the "scum" that are other Dorian powers, and he's opposed to the sisters who are the primary pro-peace-with-Dis-and-Malkuth party in the Empire. I do think he's pushing for wars within Doria.I'm letting Mada off the hook but Gwiriel will remain.
>>96478416We'll post Outer Reincarnation every day until you like it, and then some.>>96478387Awesome, thanks! I missed the original OR update thread and replied in the immediate previous CYOA thread.
>>96478356nope, a elf and a pixie would still get hybrid disease as they have different lifespan options. A drakonid and an elf would work though
>>96478416well got to wait for a good OC then and who knows when that is going to come
>>96478469Half-Breed Pixies lose their Perpetuity, so there's no problem there.
>>96478469Perpetuity is incompatible with Halfbreed so no Hybrid Disease, just like any Dark Elf combination doesn't have to worry about it because the Eternal Curse overwrites other lifespan gifts.
>>96478416Next Major CYOA release (3+ pages)
>>96473329Updated version.Prince Aureole, welcome to Zelo! You are the only one who is fighting 0^0 properly with occasional help from Led, when she is not killing demons or expanding Daeomnhunt. SRTR is proud of you.
>>96478416until we get new OC you can expect people to keep discussing orNew thread BTW>>96478474>>96478474>>96478474
>>96478469>80% of the option selection guarantees an inbred diseasenice "fantasy"
>>96478494have you tried not being a halfbreed and just inherit only one race from a pairing of two different ones like normal people do
>>96478500Do you have no heart?
What is even the connection between Pandemonium's goal (something something merge dreams and reality) and methods (randomly killing important people)?
>>96478544More political chaos means that the Old Throne needs more savescumming.
>>96478333Doesnt this mean all uruks have it by default?
>>96478556It's a disease that can only possibly apply to Halfbreeds, ie those who buy the option "Halfbreed" on page 1.It never applies to anyone else.
>>96478544I presume, they are not killing them entirely randomly, though additional chaos helps their goals. Rhucuphre's stint in Orthrung resulted in Majin spreading Nightmare there. Dis, former Pandaemonium holdout, was breeding nightmares and benefitting from the neighbors being politically unstable. Killing princesses in the Underground hindered their cooperation against the creeping horrors until it became too late.Their methods seem strange, but the amount of nightmare incursions on the planet has drastically increased since Pandaemonium founding, even if we don't have an exact date.
>>96478571Has anyone figured out a good method for eating the Nightmare yet?
>>96478573You should increase it instead.
>>96478573Turn it all into shy test tube children?
>>96478573Thaumaradrak uses Thaumiel's magic to reduce the nightmare. Arguably worse result for everyone though depending on how evil they are.
>>96478573Pick Araith
>>96478596She will just make more of it.Jarnigit is a better bet, she inherited Yphonth's anti-nightmare magic.
>>96478573Just make more of it. YMRD will reset everything including you, Charlie and nightmare.
Okay, with this statement, I am almost certain the elder gods just jobbed on purpose and all of this stuff was preplanned. Did they even plan the nuking of Orthrung?
>>96478673Being not as powerful is not the same as not being a threat in the right circumstances. Plenty of people die to wasp stings.
>>96478673"The whole story is already written," so yes.
>>96478673Of course they let 0^0 “win” on purpose
>>96478673>That sort of thing should be left to the imaginationTank I need hard facts to debate online, not a "make it up" handwave
Inga Yesod being a terrible teacher was a last minute way to nerf her or she’d be too good.
>>96478485The ones in the same world ought to be placed beside each other.
>>96478716Nta but it's chronologically ordered, because the builds are sorted into worlds by chronological primacy.
>>96478723Right, but place the same world ones next to each other on the sheet instead of seemingly randomly.
>>96478726But... they aren't random, the ordering explains why they ended up in their respective worlds. Without the ordering, it wouldn't be clear
>>96478333Yes, but that only happens if their child is a Halfbreed. 99% of the time, the child of a Southerner X Northerner pairing with be either a Southerner or a Northerner, not a halfbreed of the two.
>>96478728Ok, but why are the toybox in the middle and the hermits at the bottom without chronological order?
>>96477583>hedonismYou are retardedKilling yourself is a great goal
Opinions on Last Breath?
>>96478745I'll move Toybox next time, it really looks out of place now.Hermits are at the bottom, because technically each of them are in their own separate world and it will look even more ugly. So when some build can't fit into any other world I then check it with each hermit, according to their chronological order.If a pair is found - we get a new world, otherwise we get a new hermit.
>>96478755based and >>96464459 pilled
>>96478763Izhe only has 1 person, Zyneheart.
>>96478757Ridiculously overpriced.
>>96478757I don't like it much, but Moonman had the interesting idea to use it for his space colonization.
>>96478769Yes, technically she is also a hermit, just the first in their queue. I stopped doing it like that after the whole Escher situation, where she occupied Yest' alone for an ungodly amount of time and needed to be checked with each new Outsider, despite there being more easily accessible worlds behind her. She dodged almost 20 people like that.
>>96478757Underrated, considering it gives you a big stamina boost. But still very costly.
>>96476925Meaning defeats the earth.See you in the next kalpa.
>>96476925>It’s time for your… Outer Reincarnation.
>>96478673Vtorusha was right.
Does free will exist in OR, or did the elder gods plan the entire thing?
>>96479046Calvin pls go.
>>96479046Outsiders and (You)r choices in the CYOA are not an exception.
>>96479046YesBut YMRD will reset everything if you will things wrong
>>96479046Yes, i have it.
>>96478573Go in Darina’s dungeon when you’re strong and punch the nightmare.
>>96479085You shouldn't treat your aunt like that. She's for saving not punching.
>>96479046There's no especially good definition of free will. But acting with the greatest possible freedom isn't contradictory with that also being part of some larger entity's plan.
>>96478573Seems you're all misunderstanding me, I don't want to get rid of the nightmareI want to eat it and absorb its power as my own. It's corrupted divinity, right? So if I can purify and absorb it, my own divinity should grow.
>>96479127In that case, just get an ego big enough to supercede the nightmare. That's probably how the True Dragons corrupted it originally.
>>96479137Cool, so I won't need to change anything about my build
>>96479127>So if I can purify and absorb itYou do that by destroying it and acquiring divinity via the normal means, else enjoy your eternal soulrape hell.
>>96479127The physical nightmare in the Underground is dead amalgamated True Dragons plus the Eternal Curse plus Vtorusha rejected timelines alongside some other stuff like demon experimentation.It's not really dreams like dungeons and for example Dream Passage has no effect when walking through it. You would need to slowly eat it the good old fashioned way to 'absorb' it.
>>96479151That's too slow>>96479162Guess I'll need to eat dungeons instead
>>96477816Do you have a build image in mind?
>>96479046It doesn't exist in real life, so in a world where fate is predestined and inevitable, it wouldn't exist there either.
>>96477816>Companions: Nilmatrix>No Gunter Dobrava gay ass exploitI salute you, but do you have some some plan to beat her?You are probably gonna die, but at least you're gonna go out like a firework. Or live and reap the sweet reward then hopefully not die to Charlie.
>>96473313I like how so many people keep trying to enact their own false ascension when it’s been spelled out time and time again that true ascension is correct way, the supreme way. Always thinking of shortcuts, always missing the forest for the trees. Instead of aiming to become an Elder God, creator of universes, they choose to pursue worldly godhood, stealing pillars, undeath, empyreality, etc. and remain as mere pawns to the Elder Gods.
>>96473329Compiling the gifts everyone took.Will finish up the remaining 35~ some time later.
>>96479347Except you become an elder god in any case and there's little benefit in becoming elder god sooner rather than later as time is probably a joke to them (they can make universes with time travel mechanisms like Old Throne after all).
>>96479358Is intelligence the most taken gift?
>>96479358You haven't marked spider half for speedster spider>>96479368Truly an enlightened general
>>96479368Spiritual Feel and Caster Intuition so far.
>>96479372Casters stay winning.
>>96479347Nah I'd win.
>>96473313>>96473329>nameidk>patronJNPL>reincarnationmaleuntimeskip x4 (-8DP)Extra Mentor x 2 -2DP -4APExtra Companion x3 -6DP -3APAdoption -1DP>parentsMaiosara YesodVadim Sacro-IonianAdoption: Unnotable One Mother +5DP >raceMuddish +1mentor, +3AP>languagesEvermanNymphe -2DP (+1DP)Simplified Duergar -2DP (+1AP for unfilled slots, +6AP)Benewhisper -1DP (+1DP for unfilled slots, +6DP)>locationDis +1 mentor slot>giftsRoyal ClaimWarmachina MountingNoble InclinationIntelligenceMisalliance (Maiosara Yesod) +14APLast Breath -3APEverlasting -3DP -3APCognitive Speed -2APMemory Retention -2APWisdom -2APAttentiveness -2APSpiritual Feel -2APCaster Intuition -2APOculus of Human Goodness x3 -6APAutoantecedence -5APIcon of Icons -5APBlazing Seal -3APStifling of Arms x2 -4APKneeling Twilight x2 -2AP>mentorsKilyn of the Orthrung -1DPAlisa -2DP Slot BLukag Syn Barirousa -2DPKeter -5DPJdan -0DP->companionsZenia -3DP----->encountersA Bridge, a Toll, a Troll +2DP +2APA Score of Orcs +1DP +2APA Band of Ogres +2DP +1APA Hop, a Lean, a Hobgoblin +1DP +1APA Pack of Goblins +1APA Lone Gremlin +1DPHot Spot Troubles - AlisaTo Dream Bigger and Higher - JdanSage of a Thousand and One Treasures - Lukag Syn BarirousaHidden Amidst The Clouds - Keter>deathsme - BukiMaiosara Yesod - SlovoVadim Sacro Ionian - TsyUnnotable Mother - PokoyAlisa - Greater YusLukag Syn Barirousa - Lesser YusKeter - Zelo, Zhivete Jdan - Shta>youthMagical TrainingPlottingPower TestingOther>questE Nomine
>>96479358How do we have 0 Eternal Cursers? Don't we have dark elf builds?
>>96479372Makes sense, no one who's not making a meme build would want to be a Martialfag
>>96479392More than likely I just skipped over them. If it's not on their inborn gifts section, I will likely glaze over it.
>>96479358https://rentry.co/3amh4xgwThank you for doing this, I didn't realize that I had deleted Wisdom on accident several days ago. I've added it instead of Kneeling Twilight.
>>96479394I don't count gishes as true casters
>>96479392He does only the first 25 builds, we are way higher already.
>>96479399>>96473313>>96473329Forgot to reply to the cyoa.
>>96479391Why don't you buy less "Extra Companion" and take less Uruk encounters? The Goblins, Gremlin, and Hogoblin ones should give you a net loss, or are you doing this just for the sake of wanting the encounter for a story?
>>96479392The only reason to have a Dark Elf parent is if you want Aat (Xian) as your father, and in that case, you'd pick a Majin or lose Daemonhost.
>>96479391Adoption by an unotable one only gives 1 DP, making it neutral since it pays for the adoption.
>>96479391How is the Unnotable One adopted mother granting five points?>>96479408Those slots are still unfilled, so he gets +1 Ancestry and +1 Destiny from his languages. The Goblin and Gremlin encounters are net neutral for him, though, despite being dangerous.
>>96479416>>96479418god damnit, I thought it was +1 on top of the +4 with adoptiongotta rework this
>>96479391You should mark any free mentor slots you got in the extra mentor sectionYou should say what the autoantecedence doesAlsoI dub thee:I'ak doruum kiltith
>>96479358Moonman's Autoantecedence Inner Vision is listed in the row of A Hero of Justice, which has All-Glimpse.
>>96473313Take a casual look at the canon builds of Vtorusha and Aat. This tells us that a Sibling counts as a special type of Companion that doesn't eat any slots.Open up the Languages slot. Choose the Bilingual bonus of any ONE of the following: Palatiner or Elven-Northerner. This works because Siblings are a type of Companion.Buy infinite Siblings. Fill their death slots with Izhitsa. Divide your infinite destiny points into three pools: one to Burn the Future and pay off the siblings, one to Burn the Future and save for later, and another one to save for the same.You have infinite Ancestry and Destiny points. Buy the God-Script. Assign Izhitsa to your Siblings. Become the fourth Elder God of the new world.
>>96479547>This tells us that a Sibling counts as a special type of Companion that doesn't eat any slots.It doesn't, because their slots, points, gifts, and everything else could've been different from ours.
>>96479547You can’t use the same letter on multiple people
>>96479431I ran out of words to describe my build in the first post:The idea here is to use God-Script verses/song to fight. If 0^0 was damaged by wordplay, and verses make God-Script stronger, then a song with verses and wordplay should be the strongest. Essentially I'm challenging people to rap battles. I have untimeskipped Kilyn, Alisa, Lukag, and Keter, so I can do this right away. Kilyn allows me to immediately start crafting the perfect God-Script diss track to kill 0^0.Mental/caster gifts are obviously necessary here, and Icon of Icons is just good. Kneeling Twilight gives me more time to come up with lyrics. Last Breath allows me to keep casting without stopping to breathe. Oculus of Human Goodness and Stifling of Arms makes it very hard to fight me directly. I'm not sold on a specific Autoantecedence effect, but making it so that it also works when I look at them (rather than only working when they look at me) seems good. Maybe remove or expand the range limitation as well.I'm ambidextrous which makes Stifling of Arms a bit better.I've selected most of the Uruk encounters. With Eye of Human Goodness, and my other powers, they are trivial. Through my other encounters (+Jdan), I obtain the notes on Empyreality, and information on True Draconic Solipsism. I spend my childhood practicing magic, planning out my God-Script verses, and triggering my encounters.>>96479425add +outer tideI had some extra DP so the adoption thing doesn't even matterJdan's encounter is invalid, so my encounters now look like this:>Nothing Ever Happens - Jdan>To Dream Bigger and Higher - Alisa>Sage of a Thousand and One Treasures - Lukag Syn Barirousa>Hidden Amidst The Clouds - Keter>uruksI also removed one Extra Companion and the "A Lone Gremlin" encounter. This is points-neutral, but I don't have to do the encounter.I have 6 mentors slots>+2 baseline, +1 Muddish, +1 Dis location, +2 Extra Mentor and 5 companion slots>+3 baseline +2 Extra Companion
>>96479547Technically speaking siblings aren't chosen characters so they shouldn't count to make points. That said, even if they did, you are limited by the number of A slots you can apply.
>>96479547Siblings have Death Slot: A. Izhitsa needs a character with Death Slot: Infinite.
>>96479547>Buy infinite Siblings.How would you even get infinite siblings? Will your mother just flood the world with an endless baby tsunami that drowns the whole universe in an instant? I swear you minmaxers always choose the most hilariously braindead ways to cheat.
>>96479656They all merge and become one mega sibling
Since future time travel is possible, could you reset the world by going forwards, futurama style?
Glagloli letter says that the subject will be come "more powerful than you could possibly image" in their final moments. Is that literal or is Charlie just taking a piss?
>>96479686BrilliantJust skip until YMRD resets the world
>>96479686
>>96473313How do siblings work with Theta?
>>96473313>>96473329 Update.{1 of 5}-- BUILD -->NameUnnotable Lich>Patron[0^0]>SexM>PerksBurn The Future x16Outer TideMalice x12>MotherUnnotable>FatherUnnotable>RaceMuddish>LanguagesPolyglot (4 languages)Everman (inherited)Simplified DuergarFaySylphid>BirthplaceCity-State of Dis>GiftsBody: Unburnt Hide, Bulletproof SkinMalady: Bitter SicknessMind: All GiftsSense: All GiftsEye: All-GlimpseMark: Icon of Icons, Autoantecedence (Esurient Walk), Blazing Seal, Enochian Brand, Azure WreathArms: Deathless Grasp lvl 1Legs: Esurient Walk lvl 3>MentorsNone>CompanionsNone>EventsAll Uruk events>DeathsSelf: Yat + Zemlya (suicide + undeath)Unnotable Dad: Lesser Yus + Zhivete (almost mind-split but not)Unnotable Mom: Iotated Lesser Yus (split in 2 smaller moms)>YouthMagical TrainingPower TestingProfane LoreOther (contact other outsiders)>GoalPatientia (repaying favors to other Outsiders who introduced Mentors to him)>Malice targets(Mothers:)Xaxas A: Dobro (execution)(Fathers:)Mor C: R'tsy (magical mishap)Hladvig Tehom B: Yer (exile death)Kuz'ma Ordo-Dorian A: Myslete (comatose)Sawarmag A: Lyudi (betrayal)Makariy C: Tverdo (thirst and hunger)(Mentors:)Opoia A: Yest' (wildlife)Alisa B: Yer' (fear)Gwriel C: Iotated Ouk (spirit devoured) - negated by MOONMANRhucuphre C: Slovo (spontaneous death) - negated by AURUM(Companions:)Alezandre C: Greater Yus (pretending to be someone else until not pretending)Du'um C: Tsy (leaves and dies a pixie death)
>>96479706{2 of 5}-- COMMENTARY -->Preferred interpretation for Autoantecedence (Esurient Walk)1 continuous run per day can be arbitrarily long; it must involve no action besides the running itself.>Some minor synergiesBitter Sickness + Zemlya: Bitter Sickness should be cured by turning into skeletal undead.Esurient Walk (not the special lvl 3 daily run) + Enochian Brand + Attentiveness: allows magic while EW-jogging, although presumably only simpler kinds of magic, otherwise I'd make a mental spelling error.>Reasons for MaliceNo strategic plan, just getting rid of troublesome figures, the ones who might benefit Charlie. Of Dorian powers I'll prioritize the interests of the Empire, they're the primary anti-Charlie force with the bastion in Tsoshu.Xaxas: tries to provoke war between Dragon Realm and Empire.Mor: pandemonium.Hladvig Tehom: tries to fuck up Doria to create opportunities for plots.Kuz'ma Ordo-Dorian: pro-Charlie. Maybe Jdan will mind, if he finds out I assigned him a death? Eh fuck it, Jdan probably won't find out.Sawarmag: will try to secede from the Empire.Makariy: pandemonium.Opoia: pro-Charlie.Alisa: murders a lot, possibly some important people.Gwriel: defeatist, pushes Empire for random wars.Rhucuphre: pandemonium.Alezandre: Tenebrae terrorist. "Fate dictates that it actually works, it's hard for him to end up any worse than he is, and there's a chance it also works on his curse and neutralizes it for good," says Anon. Well, I'll trust on this, Anon.Du'um: close to pandemonium, generally dangerous unless harnessed.
I got one (1) Destiny Point left. What can I spend it on that doesn't cost more points?
>>96479687It is a Star Wars reference. Add in Zemlya and your mentor can repeat the death of Obi-Wan.
>>96479713If you give it to me I will give you a kiss on the cheek
>>96479712{3 of 5}>Plans and build interactions(MOONMAN, DEMONIC NIGHTMARE MAKER, SPEEDSTER SPIDER, HERO OF JUSTICE, VEË, JÖTUNNSDROTTNINGGEN, GOKU SASUKE MASTER CHIEF KAKAROT, AURUM ARC THE GOLDEN FINGER)3 main themes:1. Begging other Outsiders for introductions to their Mentors. In any particular case the introduction might not work at all, or if it does it isn't supposed to be as good as actually having them as Mentors, but it's something.2. Long-term repayment of favors for the above.3. Cowardice. Avoidance of great risks, desperate postponement of final death.(Early life in Dis, before lichification:)UNNOTABLE LICH (UL) is born in world Az, in Dis, to Unnotable parents (probably poor), as a sickly and seemingly blind (All-Glimpsing) Muddish.As soon as age allows (if possible, before the goblin Encounter at 6 years age), UL attempts to reach out to Thaumiel.If successful, UL introduces himself as an 11th Outsider, gives assurance of anti-Charlie attitude, asks Thaumiel for living funds and for a training regime for general improvement.Thaumiel is the foremost anti-Charlie actor at this time, she should agree without further prompt.At some point during UL's childhood, outsider MOONMAN (also starts in Dis) visits and causes a bizarre magical event that fulfills UL's parents' death letters, but with the parents essentially surviving.That is fine by UL, the letters needed fulfilling somehow, it's better if it happens under controlled circumstances.When UL has opportunity to speak with MOONMAN, he begs MOONMAN to introduce him to MOONMAN's Mentor contacts (Jdan, Mlada, Spako. Not sure about Dirk Yesod, he might be pissy about UL's association with Thaumiel. Gwriel is awkward since he was originally one of UL's Malice targets, but might be worth trying anyway). If the planet is ever overrun by Uruks as one Anon theorized, UL might have an advantage on Moonman's Moon colony, not needing to breathe.
>>96479713Additional death letters, if you don't have all of them.
>>96479728{4 of 5}Outsider DEMONIC NIGHTMARE MAKER (DNM) also starts in Dis. She used True Love on her Mentor Thaumiel, she should be found with her at some point. UL begs DNM for introduction to DNM's other Mentor contact, Seo (who mentors for demonic undeath). UL obviously plans to turn into a lich, so if it works out it's a clear fit educationally.Outsider GOKU SASUKE MASTER CHIEF KAKAROT also starts in Dis, but there's not much to be gained from him at this time. He has no mentors. GOKU has a Royal Claim to both Malkuth and Old Throne. Pressing a claim to Malkuth would go badly, and as he chose to be Muddish this probably isn't the aim. Would it go much better with Old Throne? Or are the Royal Claims incidental? With his Ameno, GOKU is bound to stir up trouble, but UL can only later see what comes of it.The remaining outsider in Dis is SPEEDSTER SPIDER. No Mentors unfortunately. UL can try and research a cure to Bitter Sickness, this would be a big reputational boost, but he doesn't have the Encounter and can't guarantee he'll be in Dis at the time of the outbreak, which is supposed to be the prime time to develop the cure.Once UL is learned and tall enough (he needs long skeletal legs for the Esurient Walk), UL kills himself and becomes a lich. Yat + Zemlya.(Travels after lichification:)Lichification entails obvious social problems, but some of the aquaintances made so far should mitigate that.With lvl 3 Esurient Walk and no physical fatigue, UL becomes able to travel long distances in a day. The wear on the bones from running can be repaired with Deathless Grasp. Now the 4 remaining 11th outsiders in world Az can be reached.
>>96479732{5 of 5}UL visits outsider HERO OF JUSTICE (originally on the tropic islands) and begs for introduction to his Mentor Keter, although that's more for making contacts with the notables of the era than for learning anything, as UL's death slot is gone and Keter's advice there isn't needed. Regardless of everyone else's long term plans, HERO OF JUSTICE is the only one working on the Charlie problem in the present, so UL may have to help out there somehow.UL visits outsider VEË (originally in the North) and begs for introduction to her Mentors (Feodwra and Zu'us. Upunth isn't a good fit). UL can't dream however, so VEË's dream library is closed for him.UL visits outsider JÖTUNNSDROTTNINGGEN (originally in the West) and begs for a chance to study Gewgrin Aureole's book. No mentors other than that, unfortunately. The Cambrian explosion plan seems problematic but, you do you - it will probably help rather than hurt with the Charlie problem at least.Outsider AURUM ARC THE GOLDEN FINGER in New New York is pretty much a tool for Pandemonium, might have to be kidnapped and imprisoned - because Outsiders outright killing Outsiders is a can of worms best not opened, and because hastening AURUM's Buki could be a bother. Even more than UL, AURUM lacks in fated events, and due to business ventures he has to appear in public, so this might not be difficult. Rhucuphre was arguably the most important figure to be targeted by UL's Malice, and by picking Rhucuphre as Mentor AURUM overrided the Malice against her, so there's a grudge. Without a Fate guarantee, learning from Rhucuphre would work out horribly and shouldn't be attempted.(Long term plans:)UL will spend his time on repaying favors to other Outsiders who introduced him to their Mentors. HERO OF JUSTICE needs special help, given how hands-off everyone else is about the Charlie problem. And in spare time UL researches further failsafes for postponing final death.
>>96479728>>96479732>>96479738Y'know you can beg people outside the outsider system to teach you magic?
>>96479723Alright you can have>>96479730No wait, I haven't used Zemlya thanks
>>96479750Sure, but mentorship from the Mentors from the roster should be a rather special thing. Also I needed a meta reason to interact with other builds.
I want to clarify that Goku Sasuke Master Chief Kakarot only picked Ameno because E Nomine is incompatible with 0^0 patron.Although Goku Sasuke Master Chief Kakarot might make a few changes before resurrecting the elder gods, false ascension is not the ultimate goal.
>>96479780Are you speaking in the 3rd person?Anonymous don't like thatAnon don't like that one bit
>>96479793I think anon and anonymous should kiss
And the complete table.Should have all the fixes anons posted.
>>96479804What are the mechanical benefits of Jewish?
>>96479804>Jewish
>>96479804Jewish was given to mer and not aurum
>chosen people of 0^0>big fan of underground tunnels>kicked out of countless settlementsMorlocks are the jewish race though.
>>96479804This just feels wrong. Tankista, if you ever make another update, bump up their prices to 3.
>>96479877Pay your 8-12 AP taxes goyim.
>>96479877People will still take themIf you increase the cost you only justify a larger effect
>>96479877Making them more expensive doesn't solve the problem. They are just too good not to take
>>96479885>>96479890Should they be situational then? "On Mondays, you're especially intelligent." "When the Sun shines at you, you are especially attentive."
>>96479877t. brainlet
>>96479894Reduce their cost and combine them into just 1 or 2 gifts.
>>96479804There should be a row for totals.
>>96479894Just bunch themBunch int and attent, bunch spirit and wis, bunch mem and cog
>>96479877So Witchshot, Grim Outlook, and Perpetuity are the rarest with Witchshot not having a single build to its name.Poor Sonya, one of the only only Autoantecedents but also the shittiest.
>>96479904I think the opposite might be more interesting - you can get either Attentive OR Intelligent but not both. That's an actual choice
>>96479915Intriguing yes
>>96479877>Only 5 people took EverlastingYour self-doubt already contributes to your failure
>>96473313>>96478485Remove the damn empty white.
I just realized that my Goku Sasuke Master Chief Kakarot (ascendido, forma inicial) build is wrong. I have 4 extra AP from Misalliance that I did not take into account.What should I spend the extra points on?
>>96479921It costs 6 points, for a chance at having what elves effectively already have
>>96479921It's not even self-doubt over an objective achievement, it's self-doubt over how the jury of goddesses rates your performance, like you're in a talent show. A tad degrading
>>96479928The big draw is somehow becoming an Empyrean and becoming Omega 2 since you would have both
>>96479927A better nameThen maaybe a better build idea if you can afford it
>>96479927What would Goku spend them on?
>>96479909Grim Outlook is great, but when you want to take it all points are already gone.
>>96479909Triple witchshot is elder god tier
>>96479909It's not because it's bad, it's just people disliking guns and not seeing their use. It also shows how a lot of parents haven't been taken with everyone going after the point efficient ones.
>>96479927Thoroughbreeding and Second Wind.
>>96479921The only time you would ever take Everlasting is if:>you don't have another form of immortality>you won't get another form of immortality>you want to and think you will be able to avoid or delay your true death significantly beyond your natural lifespanMost people already took an immortal race or are planning on becoming undead/empyrean.
>>96479877Mental gifts just shouldn’t be a thing.
>>96479701I'd imagine that they spawn with you in the toybox.
>>96479953Moat people want to be casters (not the gun wielding kind), so it's mostly ignored.
>>96479921If you take out Charlie there's nothing preventing Everlasting from being given for free like before.
>>96479921>Your self-doubt already contributes to your failureIsn't Everlasting for Humilitas/NEETs?
>>96479964Most people think OR casters are much stronger than what Tankista says they are
>>96479958Or they should be as specific and weird as the other gifts. Tankista has already dabbled in abilities like that.
>>96479970Any option that's not E Nomine means you are ready a self-admited jobber
>>96479977That's just the usual casterfag cope>What do you mean I won't be able to create demi planes or mind control nations after 10 years studying the Godscript?
>>96479804Updated with Totals and Total Individual rows.Also fixed the most grievous mistake.
>>96479921Paying points for Everlasting is a waste. If you managed to beat 0^0, revive [JNPL] and free [SRTR] you'll get it anyway. If you fail you'll die, so its useless.
>>96479944Food.
>>96479944there's not that much left reallyarm/leg slots are fulleye slot is takenmost of the physical gifts are already takenmost of the mental gifts toowisdom is wasted pointsattentiveness, maybeI guess I could not burn the future and see if I can get a mentor, but they're probably picked over in Az by this point>>96479977They also think Charlie is stronger than she really is.
>>96479977Even with what he says, the examples in the CYOA make casters seem much cooler. And it costs 2 gifts only for you to be "one of the greatest", not to mention that All-Glimpse, which is strong on its own, has synergy with it.
>>96479958>>96479978>Outsiders should be FORCED to be retarded!Fuck off.
>>96480010self report
>>96479995>Paying points for Gifts is a waste. If you managed to beat 0^0, revive [JNPL] and free [SRTR], then [YMRD] will reset the time-line anyways.
>>96480010>Anon is retarded unless he takes the GiftsAnon, I'm sorry
The idea that the setting is low fantasy is what makes me laugh. You have Ex Nihilo Demon Lords being fused into magical nukes to exterminate continents here.
>>96480004>goku build>has intelligence but no wisdomfake and gay
>>96480018>Anon can't woo his waifu without True LoveBros...
>>96480018Read the descriptions better retard. No matter how smart you are now, you are forcibly made average intelligence in your new body without the gifts.
What does Sonya’s special witchshot do?
>>96480014>>96480018You two are delusional and egotistical if you think you can't benefit from an intelligence boost. If you think you're a genius, don't take it. Go ahead. Don't bitch about other people not being so arrogant, though.
>>96480032That's not what you(he?) said - >>96480010 said you'll be forced to be retarded if you can't take them, ie being retarded is his default state
>>96480034More dakka!
>>96480040Go outside and interact with your average person.Are they not retarded?
>>96480034Slays gods and conquers empires. Cower before the power of triple Witchshot!
>>96480032Makes sense, I'd be too overpowered otherwise.
Intelligence being a must take for everyone is why it’s a bad gift from a design perspective.
>>96479977Being a caster is instantly cooler than being a gunfag even if all I can do is shoot magic missile. Guns are lame as hell.
You know multiplayer is coming to an end when anons start bitching about nerfing things for no reason.
>>96473313I was disappointed that dice fudge unnotable one didn't work so I made this insteadCommon Man>Patron: SRTR>Gender: Male>Perks: Sibling x 16 (8 brothers and 8 sisters, all younger. They come in twins as necessary to make the timing work. They use all legal A-type death slots except for Fiert), Untimeskip x4 (All languages), Outer Tide>Parents: Unnotable One x2 (Cherv', On + Zhivete)>Race: Muddish>Languages: Everman, Auburn, Simplified Duergar, Benewhisper>Tutored: There are 12 non-Entramithraic, non-Godscript languages that I don't know. 12 random siblings each get 1 of them, because that's literally all I can spend fate points on.>Location: Arcadia>Inborn Gifts: Ethereal Beauty, Spiritual Feel, Caster Intuition, Noble Inclination, Stigmata, Icon of Icons, Devout Signature, Panarmament x2, Kneeling Twilight>Mentors and Companions: None>Uruk Encounters: All>Death: Az>Youth: Common Work, Parental Support, Dungeoneering, Magical Training>Quest: E Nomine
>>96480021That happened only once in the whole timeline under very specific circumstances and only by someone using god cheats. The idea that those things are common is the problem. The idea of flying wizards throwing nukes at each other is something that at most will happen once per millennia if the story builds up to it.If Charlie could just steamroll the world by herself she wouldn't need armies, logistics or even a country, and she wouldn't be suffering the failures she does.
>>96480067Common Man is just an ordinary Muddish peasant, he'll have you know. Born in the mud, on his way back to mud, he loves his family and his king in that order. Its not his fault that Muddish peasants are SRTR's favorite children.It's impossible to ignore that weird things keep happening to his family, though. There was the time his brother Keeth split into two smaller Keeths, or that other time his sister Delhayla ran into some important elf lady in the city and got hired on the spot to be her maid. Common Man is the weirdest of all -- he's strong enough to punch a troll and make it hurt, and there was that dark cleric who called him a magical prodigy, and he can summon weird ghostly farm implements during the harvest, plus there was that one time he went into a dungeon and the weird hole in his chest started talking to him. If this is the sort of thing that happens to the gods favorites, he understands why the King always looks tired.Common Man has no Outer Tide conflicts. He's in every possible tide, doing his thing. SRTR will get him to accept the call of adventure eventually, but at least until adulthood, he's just trying to support his family. His mom is sick, after all. It's a rather large family, leading to a rather large Icon of Icons boost even before he leaves his home village. He lacks the training to really make full use of his gifts, but that can be fixed easily enough.
>>96480069The world has been completely destroyed several times already.
>>96473313Blessing: (JNPL)Patron: (SRTR)Perks: Untime Skip (Keter)Mother: YmreitFather: Unnotable OneName: (Whatever my parents name me)Gender: MaleRace: MuddishLanguages: Everman, Drakonian, Sylphid, Old NorthernLocation/Sub Location: City State of Dis/Dis—Inborn Gifts: Free [ Spiritual Feel, View of Fore, Bullet Skin ]Bestial Strength, Cognitive Speed, Memory Retention, Martial Instinct, Caster Intuition, Stigmata, Dream Passage, Treacherous Palm, Dead Sprint—Mentors: Nephinae of the Doria, Nezvana, The Keter, HerlevaCompanions: Evdokia, Blazhko, [???]Blazko’s Mentors: Eirina of the Orthrung, Zlata, Reks, Patrikeyevna—Encounters: Never Alone (The Keter)No Way, Highwayman (Nezvana)Upward Spiral (Nephinae of the Doria)Let the Purgation Begin (???)Breaking and Entering (Blazhko)Immortal Coil of Intrigue (Herleva)Interested and Dissolved Parties (Evdokia)—Death Letters: Buki (Me)Dobro (Evdokia)Zelo (Ymreit)On (Unnotable One)Izhe [???]Her’v’ (Blazhko)Yer (Nephinae of the Doria)Iotated Az (Nezvana)Yest’ (The Keter) — Zhivete—Youth: Dungeoneering, Power Testing, Plotting, Parental SupportQuest: E NomineMy basic plan is pretty simple. Not only will I strive to take down 0^0 and knock her off of JNPL’s pillar, but I also wish to redeem Keter in the process.This story isn’t just about me, but a shared story between Keter and I. Depending on how you look at it, it may even be Keter’s story more so than my own. Through manipulating fate, I will force her to be in my life from an early start. She may not like it, and she may be drowning in sadness, but I will help her get back up and stand once more, this time with a clear head. I’ll give her the chance to right the wrongs of her past, it’s what SRTR would want.(1/5)
>>96480017YMRD is only going to reset if you fail to kill Charlotte.
>>96480077I mean that's also just an accepted historical fact too.
>>96480077At the conclusion of epic world spanning storylines and done by the gods. That has nothing to do with the actual power level of the setting.
>>96480079Throughout it all, I’ll stand beside her blow for blow, but I am helping her out of her stupor, even if I have to drag her and lead. I’ll tell her everything about my choices and try to prepare early from a young age to counteract the death letters as best as I can. I expect some failure, at least on my part. Even if Keter and I can give advice, it is not so simple as just manufacturing an event. The other characters I choose will have to learn on their own in a lot of cases and try to take whatever advice to heart that Keter and I can give them. More on that in a bit.I’d like to spend more time with my mom, and try to be a good son since I did kill the love of her live, even if indirectly. I’ll have to apologize to everyone. No matter how painful it is, and even if they don’t forgive me, I’ll still stick by them. Part of the reason I actually took Ymreit is because of how much of a chatterbox she is. Something about just listening to her talk would be comforting in a way. Sure maybe it’d be annoying at times, but I bet I’d learn a lot about her. Perhaps I can learn about my father too.I imagine he was a human trader, who managed to sneak Ymreit out after promising he would, narrowly smuggling her out of Dragon King’s Most Divine Realm, and just like a true Muddish man, managed to pull it off, even if the odds were slim. Of course after such a daring rescue, perhaps the two decided to settle down in Dis. Perhaps there is something I can learn from that story after listening to it over and over again.Speaking of Mother and father, I also imagine Ymreit learned Everman over time through my father, and after living in Dis for long enough before she finally gave birth to me. That should be legal without tutor as far as I’m concerned, though I imagine my father also knew Drakonian in the first place as well.(2/5)
>>96480058>It upsets me that people don't want to be retarded, so everyone should be made retarded
>>96480066You mean when anons start arguing TO nerf things for no reason.
I'll bet 20 Ancestry Points that this is an immortality whiner too.
>>96480092But anyways, Charlie will be defeated. I don’t know if I’ll be the one to deal the finishing blow, but I will tell Keter early on as a child a few things. One, that I will never abandon her. Two, that I will help her redeem herself and clear her head of her depression. And three, that this time we’ll be real heroes. There will be times where we have to make hard decisions, but this time let’s strive to be better. To be true heroes.All I ask in return is that she not abandon me either. And well, I’d only say this once while I’m still a child, because saying it when I’m older or multiple times might be kind of weird. But if she ever gets feelings for me, I’d like her to tell me. Then I’ll spill my autism and tell her I think she is attractive. That’s the last time I’m saying it though, so she better remember. Actually saying that kind of thing out loud would be embarrassing, and if there’s really no hope of that kind of thing, then it’s fine, she can just forget I said it.Anyways onto the letters and how to circumvent them, at least from my own ideas.Dobro Evdokia - This is probably a crappy idea, but maybe it’s possible to have your social status publicly executed instead of you. Death of your social stature. Of course Evdokia already has a negative one, so this means that she’d have to commit a crime, but get an outcome to where she is praised heavily by the masses for actually doing something everyone else could not. The easiest way would be to kill an official who is objectively bad, or something along those lines. I’m kind of shaky on if this would work, and manufacturing something like this would just lead to bad results as far as I’m concerned. Evdokia will have to rely on her own wits to pull this off, but maybe it’d give her a fighting chance and turn public perception of her around, thus killing her old social “self”.(3/5)
>>96480026>goku>wiseanon.
>>96480069Charlotte is one person who can't be everywhere at once and she specifically can't use god cheats to fight most of the time because if she fucks up and contradicts the script she gets erased from existence. You're effectively wondering why ONE supermage isn't in every single place at once winning every battle and directing every city and factory.
>>96480102Zelo Ymreit - I actually have pretty good faith in this idea, but as with all death letters, I believe it is mostly up to the holder. In this case I believe I can play an indirect role though. I believe this letter can be circumvented by battle hungry and pacifist characters, simply by switching their mentality towards combat to the other extreme. Ymreit is typically a pacifist, but perhaps if she loses that mentality after a large battle and becomes more impulsive, rash, and quick to fight you might be able to call that a death of mentality in a way. While I think the logic is sound, my only issue is that Ymreit was originally more willing to fight, and only became a pacifist after her brush with death. Depending on how quick she was willing to let her fists fly when she was younger, you might consider her losing her pacifistic nature more of a revival of self rather than a death. To indirectly help with this, I will directly help her in any fight no matter the cost to myself. The angrier she gets, and the more battle hungry she becomes, the better it might be in the long run. I just hope I don’t lose the mother I’ve come to love in the process, but I suppose calming her down and mellowing her out once more might be another plot point for another time.On (Unnotable One) - I can’t do anything for him. Keter might be able too if she somehow recognizes that he has a death letter, but I think he’s as good as dead. (Also I imagine Keter knows him personally which is why she even gets involved with my family and I in the first place)Izhe [???] - I don’t know how to solve this one. It probably makes more sense thematically for Keter to figure it out honestly. Perhaps Keter can show a level of care towards [???] for the first time and that will lead to the death of her being invisible, or something? I don’t know.Her’v’ (Blazhko) - It’s up to you buddy. Hopefully your mentors and what tips me and Keter give you are enough.(4/5)
>>96480112Yer (Nephinae of the Doria) - Nephinae is already in exile, so perhaps something could be leveraged from that?Iotated Az (Nezvana) - I’m just hoping that there’s enough leeway for her or one of my other companions to save her. I’d probably need some type of technique to save her.Yest’ (The Keter) Zhivete - I don’t really have any ideas for this one, outside of getting an extreme case of food poisoning by eating too much raw wildlife. But that’s not important. I put Zhivete on this one so Keter will survive. Her knowledge and skills are too important to pass up on, and I need her to stay alive. And as I said earlier, I will not abandon her. This is the story of her redemption, my story of support, and the story of Charlie’s downfall from heaven, among many more.So what do you guys think? Do you think it’s possible any of my reinterpretations of the death letters will work?(5/5)
>>96480093Nta but that's a stupid argument. From a balance perspective, if a choice is so much better than the alternatives, or at least it appears to be, so everyone feels forced to take it, then it's not really a choice only a tax for your build, which makes the whole cyoa idea pointless.
>>96480079Name yourself.
>>96480081she probably isn't even going to do that if you fail, why would she, this is a perfectly fine Usurper plotline, they didn't reset when Keter failed why would they reset if the 11th failed. There are so many more future outsiders to throw at the problem. This is not some world breaking apocalypse they don't need to pull out the big guns.
>>96480119I choose to hilariously misinterpret him as somebody who is playing as Keter in all respects.
>>96480118No, if you're playing a CYOA and specifically do not allow people to boost their intelligence then you are needlessly crippling them. You are effectively saying everyone should get fucked over. Want to be a caster, a planner, a politician? Nah get fucked, anon doesn't like that, he only wants meatheads.
>>96480105That's an example of him being unintelligent but wise. He was wise enough to recognise his own limit and extrapolate gohan's potential, but was too retarded to realise that giving your enemy a full heal is a bad idea.
>>96480119He's singleplayer, so it's fine without.
>>96478673Elder Gods themselves are clearly bounded by common rules and agreements they have established between themselves and how they can affect the world while not breaking these rules. This is something we can clearly tell if we compare Charlie's powers and "SRTR and YMRD accidentally destroyed the world and it is time to reset it ooops".Charlie essentially stole moderator privileges and going wild with them while Elder Gods clearly still fully in control of hardware and admin access. Were they to reset the entire thing it would undo their work and they got humbled by her but if she gets defeated on the ground it will not only reinforce their point, humble her but will keep their current iteration of the world alive. And they clearly like it apart from Charlie throwing a hissy fit.
>>96480128Yeah (you) definitely need the gift
>>96479993Some builds are not updated
is this the new "why can't I beat every auctor in Magi Case" >>96480128
>>96480123The Outsider System can't reach the Ecumene, so the 12th is the last that'll be able to exist, more than likely. If you fail and the 12th fails I doubt there'll be much if any land not under Charlotte.
>>96480144>What, anon wants boosts to playstyles other than a martial meathead? Wow, they must be upset they can't instantly kill the strongest people in the setting!Did this make sense in your head?
>>96480119I'm bad with names, but if I had to pick, maybe something like Alfrent?>>96480124I actually did think about picking Fiert, but couldn't do it. I think if I picked it, it would unravel the story too much, and I actually do want to take Charlie down and knock her off her stolen pedestal.
>>96480118>which makes the whole cyoa idea pointlessThis is very wrong, otherwise correct.>>96480128You have a point but that's not what he's saying.Tankista did a pretty good job making mental gifts more specific than in most other cyoas, but they still aren't as specific as the other gifts. If there were more mental gifts covering more specific topics, then every planner/politician build wouldn't be the same, and you'd have a less vague idea what they each can do. There's many problems like that of going in the other direction and making them nonviable from costs though, which is why that's never going to happen.
>>96479977Casters in OR, just going by what we've seen in the CYOA, can predict the future, raise armies of the undead, teleport any distance, wound gods with a pun, and become immortal dragons through blood-sacrifice. Not all at once, sure, but this is the power-ceiling we're talking about, and Outsiders can expect to be at the power-ceiling.Gunjobbers need to spend 6 points of ancestry and both leg slots to match a modern machine gun. It doesn't compare. Guns are obviously great if you're an illiterate peasant who would need to drill for years to cast magic missile once per day. They're outclassed if you're an outsider.
>>96480128Way to completely miss the point. I'm not saying that the builds shouldn't be smarter, even if that being an option at all is subjective, but if you are making it a choice, don't make it sound so strong so everyone feels they HAVE to take it. Either give it for free so people can choose things they actually want to do or take the choice away and say that your new body will be smarter. The other option is to actually make it very expensive but at that point you will have discussions wether a 10 cost intelligence increase is worth it over manipulating reality and that will just frustrate people more.
>>96480079Femboy?
>>96480168The blood magician who can shapeshift into a dragon also thinks that guns are completely worth it.
>>96480129Letting Frieza power up so that he could fight him at full strengthGiving energy to Frieza Freeing Majin Buu by having a long fight with Vegeta instead of just taking him out quicklyNot killing fat BuuThrowing the potara earring at Gohan instead of just teleporting overHiring a hitman on himselfAccidentally destroying an entire timeline Doing the senzu bean thing AGAIN with Moroetc.
>>96480134Except they can't, at least according to their own words. Ending the world is explicitly mentioned as a win condition, because it will also remove Charlie and her interference, allowing YMRD to reset everything.She can't do it at will while Charlie is still there.
>>96480181Why isn't her dragon form a gun wielding Digimon the, huh? Checkmate.
>>96480118>>96480179The only alternative is making everyone a genius by default. You're not going to stop anons from wanting to be mages or more intelligent. From a design perspective, you also need to account for the base fact that your players will want to correct their own perceived deficiencies. Is anon dumb, young, ADHD, stumbles over their thoughts? Well, if they are, then they're going to want one of the mental gifts because they correct those. That anon is always going to be unhappy with that part of themselves, especially if having that actively prevents them from playing the character they want (someone with ADHD might want to play a caster.) So if you don't provide him the option to correct these flaws, then you have to give it for free. If you don't give it for free, and you can't buy it, you're telling anon that if he's not smart/attentive/witty etc. in real life he's not allowed to fantasize about being so in your CYOA.>>96480162If you made more hyper-specific mental gifts then anons who want to play a smart character will feel compelled to spend MORE of their points on all of them, making them have even less variety. If you want to play a smart character or a caster, you can't just skip half of what makes a person intelligent, you need to go all in.
>>96480180No, I'd be an average guy, not a femboy. If I wanted to do something like that I'd prefer to just go all the way either through Fiert or just starting off as a girl right from the get go.
>>96480129>too retarded to realise that giving your enemy a full heal is a bad ideaDoesn't that mean he doesn't have wisdom then? It gives an example of Intelligence helping to build a bomb and Wisdom helping to realize doing so is a bad idea.
>>96480181You don’t need witchshot to use guns though. It’s not even that good, even if you are using guns.
>>96480198Female imageMale genitaliaFemboy?
>>96480188>Doing the senzu bean thing AGAIN with MoroMoro is the most creatively bankrupt thing in DB to be fair. Like they literally just copied the entire Android/Cell Saga and shoved it into one character.
>What is Wisdom and what is Intelligence discussionGod, feels like I'm on a D&D discussion thread
I would 100% choose to be a femboy.I dont want to be a girl but I don’t understand the appeal of being a masculine man.
>>96480081No she will reset it anyway. Whatever you do is meaningless unless you stop her. Vtorusha got it. Charlie got it. You will get it too.
>>96480218I want to be a girl but I'd settle for femboy if that's the best I can do desu.
>>96480205Keter is central to my build and I didn't have any good images. The image is of Keter, not me. Being serious for a moment though I actually would like it if any of you anons could look over my ideas on how to skirt around some of the death letters and if you think what I put down could work.
>>96480218The appeal is having dominating breeding sex with feminine females. The contrast is hot.
>>96480181That's visibly not a musket. It's a stolen ecumene rifle. If anything, the fact that she was able to steal ecumene weapons makes the argument against witchshot stronger -- just steal one of their machine guns and save the 6 points.(And, yes, a modern rifle is better than a sword for the situations where you can't or shouldn't go dragon. No one is disputing that, the argument is about whether the gun gifts are worth investing AP in)
So what is the general consensus on how magic works in OR? I read it as something like miracles from the souls series. Where you are literally quoting an event from the past and pulling the Meaning of it to the present. So if you cast a lightning bolt you're just recalling the time you saw a lightning strike or something. How did you read it?
>>96480168>can predict the futureNot a mage thing, just an eye one>raise armies of undeadWe actually have no single necromancer raising armies so it's hard to judge and the only thing that explicitly allows this is an arm gift, not generic magic>Teleport any distanceExpensive leg gift and the only person with perfect teleportation is a unique companion that cannot be replicated>Wound gods with a punImagine calling Charlie a god>become immortal dragons through blood-sacrificeThe ones who were argued out of existence?Sure, magic will always feel stronger on a blank page, but there's a big difference between those things being possible and you being actually able to achieve them
>>96480221true, she is gonna end the world eventually, might take a few millennia but it will happen eventually
>>96480234Charlie killed JNPL though. Somehow.
You ARE collecting the dead bodies of outsiders, right?One’s dead body allowed Charlie to create mathemagic.
>>96480247Just like (You) will kill her too, somehow.
>>96480148Ecumene isn't that good, look at Memet continent, there will always be some kind of holdout
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>>96480232Witchshot would be a lot stronger with modern firearms anon. What do you think will happen if you have 8 assault rifles appear behind you after every step you take.
What do you think the three resets were?>true dragon uprising>first war of heaven and earth>???
>>96480233Say god-script letters. Thing you said happens based on the Meaning you assigned to what you said. Basically anything can be done if you're good enough. If you want to cast fireball, you literally say fireball in god-script and assign the Meaning of fireball.
>>96480253>Even retarded Tiders help youFinally a use for them
>>96480233We have several examples right in the CYOA. Quoting gods directly, using elven legal code to produce magic, rituals and glyphs of Mamet, oaths for self-empowerment - there is no singular universal method.
>>96480181>>96480232Pukluxun's rifle is an outsider relic, possibly belonging to Vtorusha. You know? the godlike craftsman who made a godkilling mech? Comparing it to a normal musket is retarded.
>>96480233Kitchen sink magic system, anything goes.
>>96480224I know anon, I was joking>>96480112Blahzko Is the person you should be putting the most thought into, as someone with no gifts and all skills>>96480115Giving "Dies while exiled" to someone who is already exiled is one of the worst death choices I have ever seen
>>96480253Entramithraic, she had mathemagic before that already, but, yes corpses of powerful beings are potent, like Charlie used the absorbed elven demon lords to nuke Orthrung
>>96480218I would also chose for you to be a femboyI would then show you the appeal of masculine men, manually
>>96480272>Comparing it to a normal musket is retarded.Why aren't you inventing your own guns?
>>96480280Entramithraic was just a normal language, anon, it's the natural language of the Mithraic humans. Charlotte just chose to tie it to mathemagic and thus empower her autism by having every natural speaker feed into it.
>>96480218I 100% support your decision anon. More femboys for me is always good.
>>96480261
>>96479804>more than half with Bitter SicknessOutsiders constantly COOFING this time around.
>>96480287>Why aren't you inventing your own guns?I don't have Maker's Brush ×3.
>>96480261>Predicting that the elf hating god will genocide the elves means you used magic to read the future as opposed to logic
>>96480265>The horse girls inventing time travel to the past and starting to fuckup the timeline>Crab people accidentally draining the ocean and the atmosphere into space by creating a huge portal to the moon>A cat girl usurping one of the pillars and making everyone immortal
>>96480307As long as you have Taexx dice fudged as a mentor with the Dis Purge event you should be good.
>>96480317Based catgirl
>>96480291But is it even tied to mathemagics? might just be some Charlie physics bullshit
>>96480325Just have the event and mental gifts to be a genius yourself really.
>>96480316Yes gun-anon, the mentor who teaches magic based on real-world divinatory practices and is described specifically as having predicted the future did so with ordinary guessing, this is truly a good-faith reading of the text and not you digging your heels in after losing an argument on the internet.
>>96480253I wouldn't desecrat Yphont's resting place. But I would definitely put Erginter's corpse to good use.
>>96480317Number one is giving me flashbacks to realizing that Charlie is an evil Princess Celestia.
the word "mathemagics" is never once used in the cyoaonly the words "mathemagician's craft"
>>96480340I’m not the guy you’re arguing with. I just see no reason to assume it’s a magic prediction since it’s not hard for her to figure out normally.
>>96480345Who's Luna, the objectively better one?
>>96480287I skipped on Intelligence and Spiritual Feel to fit Witchshot on my character sheet
You could easily make a modern automatic firearm if you tried. As long as you know roughly how they work. Even better, you could improve them with magic and materials that don't exist in the real world.But witchshot is dubious at best. 4 fucking points? For ONE? Most of the other leg gifts are just better. Putting more lead down range isn't always even helpful.>>96480272Pukluxun looks like she has a shotgun. See the shells on the side.Gwriel has a revolverNezvana has a mare's leg.Vtorusha seems to have an AK of sorts.Klarimondt has a gunblade revolverBut most of the Ecumene seems to use muskets.Why is charlie so rarted?>>96480314skill issueTake Brastat Syn Rarruta. Most underrated companion in the CYOA.
>>96480360Omega, rebellious younger relative, same unique race, in cahoots with a harbinger of the apocalypse.
>>96480357She specifically predicted destruction of the continent, not an ordinary genocide. And again, numerology in the real world purports to predict the future. It would be exceptionally poor communication to have the numerology mentor predict the future using skills she's not even said to have instead of the skills she specifically teaches you.
>>96480261This is just more evidence for the Eirina is Rhucuphre theory.
>>96480368Physics in the OR world doesn't work like in ours
>>96480275I couldn't think of any clever interpretations for Her'v' that would allow him to skirt death. Maybe it would be easier if I was actually thrust in that sort of situation, but he might be on his own for the most part when it comes to this one.I didn't think it was as bad as it was at the time, but thinking about it maybe it really is bad to die that way. I still think there's potential for a loophole somehow though, and I'm not going to change my build since I already locked everything in. I feel kind of bad now though.
>>96480368>Pukluxun looks like she has a shotgun. See the shells on the side.>Gwriel has a revolver>Nezvana has a mare's leg.>Vtorusha seems to have an AK of sorts.>Klarimondt has a gunblade revolverAnon you realise those are just random images Tank manages to scrounge up from the net right? are you really expecting object continuity from booru art made by different artists?
>>96480379What happens if you take both of them as mentors and fill their death slots with directly incompatible letters like Sha + Slovo. Logic error that destroys the world? Asking so that I can avoid destroying the world, because destroying the world is bad and I would never do it.
>>96480265>Vtorusha wins and makes all humans immortal>Xian wins and makes all Majin immorta.>Keter wins and gives empyreality to allImmortality is not allowed in Old Gods cruel world
>>96480386Modern firearms are explicitly possible as are giant mechas. Even if you are too lazy to invent them yourself, they already exist out in the world somewhere.
>>96480398If they did the Ecumene would have them already.Gotta make them yourself, or make someone else do it.
>>96480392This is just Umineko closed room deaths again.
>>96480396If you're immortal you can't ascend, anon. It's for your own good.
>>96480391I will not get sucked into this sperg debate.
>>96480265I personally really dislike the idea that all three were caused by Outsiders. It makes the world's history feel really truncated. I want at least one of them to be something that's so far back it's not mentioned in the docs.
>>96480422True Dragons weren't caused by outsiders, at least.
>>96480422One idea I had is that Darina lost in the dungeon at first, so they reset and that’s why she has a ludicrous number of unique gifts now.
>>96473313>Ethereal Beauty>Icon of Icons
Which characters do you think would get the best result from Iotated Ouk? Aka. have the highest willpower?
>>96480459Noble inclination is probably a better synergy
>>96480459>Making people want to fuck me means they'll be my best friends.Only a fa/tg/uy permavirgin would unironically think this.
>>96480504Realistically your appearance influence not only romantic relationships but every single relationship you have. It's the best gift you could pick by far.
>>96480489Baf, Gunter and Dobrava if you make one of her encounters be A Hunter Must Hunt.
>>96480489??? is supposed to have powerful spirit.
>>96480489Strokrad and Xet would never stop fighting, so either one is a pretty good candidate. Ielziaseh's role-inflicting is also a soft counter to spirit-eating, since she could guide the spirit-eater towards a more Baf-like mindset that she can take advantage of.Speaking of Baf, having her in the party with someone who has Iotated Ouk is kinda a cheat code. She wants to eat someone's spirit and then get possessed by said spirit so bad.
Do One or Vtorusha have any mortal descendants around?
>>96480553Making yourself an object of lust will ironically decrease the effectiveness of Icon of Icons. You can't form genuine connections with people who's primary motive in getting close to you is getting into your pants.
>>96480588One definitely never had kids, I think we have a WoG on that. Vtorusha might have but if she did they definitely didn't survive, since all highlord families are descendants of her brother, not her.
>>96480595Your looks is not only about lust. Who's the fa/tg/uy here.
>>96480489Alezandre would be the worst choice because you’re feeding the curse.
>>96480489Darina is sadly off of the menu, though you can argue that she's already survived this fate.I think that Blazhko is underrated for this problem because his whole deal is the indomitable human spirit and being a husbando to any Outsider who wants to play second fiddle.
>>96480623>Blazkho husbandoBad tastes, Mihrdat is RIGHT THERE
>>96480489Blazhko (indomitable human spirit), Gunter (he will thrive on the fight), that one dwarf who has the Oaths = Power thing.
>>96480489???
The Dungeon Crawler encounter is the most bad ass encounter. Dungeonkino is the best part of any fantasy series.
Iotated lesser yusImbue part of your soul into an object???Win
>>96480670You can post here from inside the sword, Savmak?Or did you make Savmak Girl post this?
>>96480667Correct. Sharik and Siglinda are underrated parents for this reason also
Childhood DLC... Ersatz...
>>96480667There's a lot of kino Encounters, but people seem to just take them for the benefits.
>>96480735Name 5 best ones.Hard mode: only choose from among those that are bound to 3 locations.
>>96480735Not my fault people don't want to go on a drunken bender where they wake up married to the Elven princess and declared king of restored Tsoshu..
>>96480735If you don't have Jdan you're just taking all but 2-4 of the available encounters for your starting area.
>>96480735The problem is that Tankista somehow designed the section under the assumption that you'd stay in one province before your mentorship was done, even though everybody ever has a cosmopolitan list of NPCs.
>>96478359>Someone finally matched with Ms. Escher?>Mr. DeluluEscher is such a trash build now with hindsight that she could legitimately hide as a NPC Sage. The whole thing relied on cracking open spells that involves Izhitsa from her Letter and Host, but Tenyota's teachings doesn't work on 'racial' gifts. As is, she's going to have to rely on her Mentors and Companions to actually do things. Spirit Tap, All-Glimpse, Twilight Kneeling and Last Breath gets recycled as Disguise Magic, See Magic, Rest Magic, and Voice Magic and spread around the resurgent Demon Empire, along with spells using the unknown letters discovered through Spirit Tap and Letters of the Damned abuse. Escher plays a support role to Keter's Second (and Final) Party because she's basically a cripple after the Tenyota'ing.
>>96480772The problem is that if they weren't location locked, everyone would just pick the ones with obvious benefits regardless of the story they are trying to tell. Doesn't matter if they live in Mamet and create a mage cult, they will always pick Dis to get the encounter that can cure Bitter Sickness since it would make up for 4 AP. I just wish the country changing ones weren't just limited to the capital. I don't want to live in New New York to prevent the civil war, why can't I do that from Chervonolin?
>>96480753The funeral one, the one you're both trying to open a gate at different sides, the stuck on an island or the stuck on a jungle one, the one where those cheeky adventures show up and you dab on them, consequences be damned, deal with them along your friend, the Daemonhunt SWAT raid with your mentor.Those are the ones I can remember now, also they become much less kino if you just headcanon yourself into solving them instantly and easily with Inborn Gifts, but that's on you.
>>96480788You can still do all that regardless of location with the autistic nun, and it's cheap. The ones you are actually gonna use to encounter your companions and mentors should be for cool points.
Was it said somewhere why Old Throne has three crowns and three comets on its shield?
>>96480753Also, By Design. But that's kinda cheating because it can be almost whatever the fuck you want with it. Gunter can make some encounters much more kino simply because he's gonna be your bro and be in all of them.
>>96480753>On Sick Leave>A Daring Rescue>A Song Of Ice And More Ice>Wine Is Thicker Than Water>Greatest Of Yus
>>96480810Three rebel seats. The first one was Vtorusha, the second one was Erginter/Xian and the final one was Charlie. Simimar wonders if that was predicted from the start how could the gods not know it would happen.
>>96480788And we'd all make fun of them for thinking that they can auto-cure bitter sickness when the encounter very much Does Not Do That.The mechanics as-written are just way too restrictive on the stories that I want to tell. They're the only thing I actually want to SRTR away in single player. Like why do I have to be born on or near Tsoshu to meet someone during a drunken escapade. Why is finding a loot-box restricted to the Exarchate. Why can't I go to Pasmurina to meet the king instead of him coming to me.
>>96480830Thanks, forgot Simimar entirely
>>96480808She still costs a companion slot plus her own if you know her languages. That is -1AP and -3DP you may want for something other than just good encounter resolutions and Dobrava may just not be a character you want for certain builds.
>>96480835It's not an autocure, but it's gonna put you on the right tracks to find one. If you have good mental gifts, it's a pretty big boost too.
>>96480835There is no reason to take blessing of JNPL if you’ll have more fun with your story using blessing of SRTR
>>96480820>By DesignWhat would be the most interesting/impactful character to use it on?Rhucuphre is the easiest first pick.
>>96480841Just put her on Gunter team then lol.And yes I understand, but it's a price to pay for you to minmax Encounters, one that I don't think it's too oppressive.
>>96480852I don't think that it's really Blessing of SRTR to assume that flavor events can happen wherever their flavor is possible.
>>96480854Either her or Keter
>>96480852The reason is multiplayer. I'm already having fun on my own, but I'd have more fun if I could play with others while also taking encounters that make sense for the story I want instead of trying to fit in yet another meet-at-a-funeral scene simply because that one was designated as any location and I'm out of actually-flavorful options.
>>96480858Her blessing is doing whatever the fuck you want as long as you don't pick Outer Tide
>>96480858Anything that doesn’t follow the rules is SRTR
>>96473313>Patron God:[SRTR]>Reincarnation Perks:Adoption, Untimeskip x8, Dice Fudge, Extra Mentor x6, Outer Tide>Parents:Mother: Maiosara Yesod (Disregarded) (Misalliance)Father: Barbos (Disregarded)Stepmother: The Keter (Dice Fudge)>Race:Human, Southlander>Languages:Fae, SprigganQuietened: all others>Location:[SRTR]'s Toybox>Inborn Gifts:Ethereal Beauty, Thoroughbreeding, Second Wind, Bitter Sickness, Wereplague x2, Misalliance, Cognitive Speed, Memory Retention, Wisdom, Intelligence, Attentiveness, Spiritual Feel, Martial Instinct, Caster Intuition, Noble Inclination, All-Glimpse, Stigmata, Icon of Icons, Autoantecedence, Blazing Seal, Enochian Brand, Azure Wreath, Devout Signature, Magician's Hand x3 (Each hand can hold two spells, which are no longer limited to copies. The hands improve the user's spellcasting ability, enabling quintuplecasting of different spells rather than only the same one.)
>>96480601>highlord families are descendants of her brotherI forgot about that. It's close enough.It's too bad about One but I guess I could sort of count if he adopts me.
>>96480835The location requirements are even sillier considering one of the unlocked events just hands you an airship
>>96480941>Mentors:Untimeskip: Feodwra, Alisa, Dirk Yesod (Nezvana, Rhucuphre-from-Maeve), Kashtanka of the Orthrung, Spako, Leimeie, Ielziaseh-from-Erebus, MladaI will be the perfect leader, strategist, teacher, psychiatrist, and any other role that will be required. Worry not about the long time spent in the Toybox affecting our sanity. We have each other and plenty of time for relaxation, and I will look after everyone's mental health. My goals are to master the God-Script and ascend. I will help everyone grow and get along as much as possible during our time in the Toybox to ensure JNPL's return and Charlotte's defeat. Then, I will learn from all the Elder Gods.[SRTR] wants to keep us in the Toybox for 100 years, but plans cannot keep up with changes, so she may send a number of us out ahead of time (and perhaps we will be able/allowed to get back in) to deal with special situations, e.g. to turn the tide a decisive battle. This is unlikely, but still a possibility. Therefore, periodically updating everyone on the current state of the world is crucial. While I wish to keep staying in the Toybox to learn from [SRTR], I will obey the exit order should it come. I can take on any role, but the ones most likely to require me are assassin, infiltrator, spymaster, politician, or some combination of thereof. Perhaps I will be the Nilmatrix of our side.After exiting the Toybox, aside from the aforementioned objectives, I plan on helping Ielziaseh ascend, hunting Rhucuphre, possibly taking over a country or creating a new one with fellow Outsiders, and establishing an alliance of Outsiders for mediation in our conflicts and cooperation in dealing with threats.>Encounters:A Hop, A Lean, A Hobgoblin, A Score of Orcs, A Band of Ogres, A Bridge, A Troll, A Troll>Death Letter:Theta
>>96480945Isn't Breaking and Entering linking two locations too? You should be able to pick from there I think.
>>96480489Upunth, and anyone that he teaches, especially you. "Physically" attacking somebody from the spiritual plane sounds like the perfect esoteric art for climbing up a demon's brainstem.
>>96480949>Youth:Magical Training, Theology, Plotting, Journey of the SelfI will train to be a generalist mage, learning every type of magic and spellcasting method to master all aspects of the God-Script. Subjects aside from those mentioned in the build will also be learned to a lesser extent to find Meaning in all things and become capable of playing any role in any story.>Quest:E NomineEvery scenario simulated. Every possibility accounted for. Past, present, and future deduced. We will be ready. We will win.---Template: https://files.catbox.moe/l2bn24.xcfBasically the same template as the one before but updated to my current build. No point in downloading it if you already have the old one.Instructions were put in https://rentry.org/outer_reincarnation_information#outsiders-page-style, so I won't repeat them here.
>look bro you can make muskets but you cant make blowback or gas operated guns or standardized ammunition because... uhh, you just cant okay?Makes no logical sense
Should be done later tonight. I've got to do irl things over the weekend so I won't have time to work on it then so it is getting done tonight.
>>96480971wtf is this
>>96480975The OR childhood DLC, if I'm correct.
>>96480975Somebody was inspired by the random tables from Destined for Greatness to write an Outer Reincarnation DLC about your childhood.
>>96480975Unofficial OR DLC based on a whim a couple of threads back
>>96480966It really just depends on whether you take Charlie's approach to it or Vtorusha's approach to it
>>96480945Also multiple parents and companions come with airships or ocean-ships, plus the one who is a giant dragon and the other one that is a walking castleAlso there's a companion who can just teleport you.Also you could have esurient walk or grey wanderingAlso you could be rich enough to just hire an airship (and live somewhere like Pasmurina where they're common enough to hire)
>>96481042Thing is, you don't know the order you meet your mentors or companions. If he would acknowledge the possibility of this all the cyoa would have much needles complexity.
>>96480971My roll for my life with my mom Keter will be blessed!
>>96481042Or you can be a freaking winged dragon yourself, flying wherever you want.
>>96480945>>96481042It's not about being able to move around the world, it's being at the right location when the encounter is happening. You are not supposed to be able to predict them so just being at the imperial capital when the assassination happens would mean that you decide when it does since you moved there. The only difference would be having Jdan tell you exactly when the event will happen.>>96480951RAW it doesn't but Tankista mentioned that it makes sense and you should be able to pick encounters from the second location so he may add it in an update.
>>96481060I beleive in you, anon!
>>96481058It's a CYOA about fucking with fate. Fate can arrange for you to be where you need to be at the appropriate time as long as there's a reasonable way for it to happen.I'm not suggesting adding check-for-these-possiblities as a mechanic that removes or lowers location restrictions. I'm suggesting that the existence of all this and more makes the location restriction mechanic feel extremely arbitrary and game-y in a bad way.
>>96480951Yes, but there is no guarantee you'll get the portal working
>>96481076Yes, it is indeed about fate, but it doesn't mean you have complete mastery over it. Many Encounters outcomes are not guaranteed, or if your mentor will follow you or after teaching you, or if your True Love relationship will work or not. All choices assume this all could have not happened, sucks but youll have to make your story with limitations that dont always make 100% sense.
Is Nezvana really worth 3 points? It even feels like her mentoring description is telling you to learn this on your own instead of taking her.
>>96481127She's perfect for untimeskip builds who would otherwise have initially needed a while to figure out how to fit everything together. For other builds, she's a waste.
>>96480459>>96480493Have you ever considered all three? Throw in wisdom and/or intelligence to boost it even further.
>>96481127Her mentorship is about comboing different powers. You will learn how to do it optimally if you pick her as a mentor, even if you just learn it while she tells you nothing, the system guarantees that you will learn it.You can assume that you will eventually do it by yourself at one point, but it being buyable means that it is a benefit you might not get otherwise.
>>96481127If you have both casters gifts, and even more so if you have all mental gifts, and even moerer so if you have All-Glimpse, you'll probably create your own magic or discover one that already has been made too. That doesn't mean caster mentors are useless.With that said, the power testing youth can probably help cover what she teaches about a bit.
>>96481127Going by her description, she will be really useful if her have a lot of different gifts and Mentors in different areas with questionable synergy.The issue is you can take Kashtanka who does almost all of that and more and cost only two points.
>>96481127Still more useful than Strokrad. The guy doesn't even understand that he uses magic. So much for full understanding of Meaning.
>>96481153>it being buyable means that it is a benefit you might not get otherwise.No such thing, you can theoretically learn almost everything the mentors can teach you on your own. Some might be harder than others, some might be near impossible, some you'll likely hurt yourself trying to learn on your own, but you can still do it.>>96481180Yes, this is why she's an option. You could learn how to do it on your own, but, as [JNPL] said, you're more likely to hurt yourself trying.
>>96480830>Three rebel seats. The first one was Vtorusha, the second one was Erginter/XianIt was Erginter the powergamer who tried to get angel cheats, and Xian who stopped her, so isn't that just Erginter then, no matter the bodily situation?
>>96481117I don't know how you can argue honestly that fate arranging a contrived parent pairing like Simka x Iwnn is more reasonable than fate arranging for you to be somehwere in the Empire of Light and Dark at some point when a conflict is happening. Or that fate arranging for mentors from around the world to come to you is somehow weirder than you going to the mentors.
>>96481180Kashtanka won't let you mix up gifts, it only makes it so you can use them at their full extent. What you should do is mix the two.It all depends in how you picture the world in your head. If you think you will learn all the tricks you can in just a couple of years in your youth then you will always consider these type of mentors worthless. If you think that control over these powers won't come naturally and even for in universe npcs they are not easy or natural to control, then taking them can be essential. That is up to whoever is making a build.
>>96481202I didn't say that, I just said that is a limitation of the system you'll have to endure through.I know a lot of father mother pairings are nonsensical, but you should really only make ones that make a tad bit of sense and can see yourself happening, I did, even if a shitty easy one.
>>96481180Nezvana: Guaranteed synergy between gifts and whatever your mentors teach you, no matter how contrived it seems at first glance.Kashtanka: Guaranteed mastery of your inborn gifts, along with some tricks you likely wouldn't have come up with by yourself.
>>96481198>Erginter the powergamer who tried to get angel cheatsNo, it was never stated and Tankista made it purposely ambiguous. Either Erginter had the notes and Xian tried to stop her or Xian wanted to steal the notes for himself to save Bal. We have evidence for both and neither of them individually decided to rebel nor seemingly wanted to.The only result is that their combined form did try to rebel against the heavens and then killed itself.
>>96481224Okay, I just felt that was the more logical possibility, inkeeping with Erginter being Erginter.But this rebellion, then, lasted for all of a few moments?
>>96481219"You'll have to endure it" is something you can say about literally any poor design choice in any game. Like, yes, I know what the rules are. The rules were designed by a person, and I'm saying the design isn't working and should be changed.
>>96481224>>96481240>Either Erginter had the notes and Xian tried to stop her or Xian wanted to steal the notes for himself to save BalI don't see why it couldn't be both
>>96481224Aat is the one who challenged the Elder Gods and committed suicide. Iotated Az makes the possessor fated to be in control.
>>96481241And I'm saying it's not a worthy thing to change because it would have to take too many variables into account.
>>96481251NTA but Tankista answered in QnA that Erginter had solid ideas who to overcome Iotated Az and picked it to use as another power up for herself.
>>96481254It doesn't, though. The entire rest of the CYOA allows you to make bizarre choices that make no sense together and only warns you that the more contrived it is the less likely it is to work out for you. Encounters have no reason for being an exception to that general principle, and the encounter rules as they are right now actually forces you to make things /more/ contrived than they otherwise would be in many instances
>>96481248The rebellion probably only came from their union. Erginter was going softer according to [JNPL] and was happy in her role as possible final boss for future Outsiders, meanwhile Xian had the support of two gods and an entire race of fanboys. That said, Erginter could easily want to turn her attention to the gods while Xian had also been screwed by the gods way too many times in the past and most likely resented them somewhat.Their union probably just made the worst of the two appear before it killed itself.
>>96480489Dryndedh-From-Agartha cause my Dad is the coolest and strongest person in the entire world!
>>96480759I didn't take any companions that would get drunk desu.
>>96481251
>>96481223That's why I took them both.
>>96481306Dryndedh is ver underrated, he's the only character that can teach hand-to-hand combat and he also gives you his cursed gloves that have Far Graze+Jet Kicks enchantments on them, meaning an additional value of 6ap on top of his Inborn Gifts.
Post your ideas for Outer Reincarnation homebrew>Eye of Command >Can be taken twice>Can't have more than two eyes>-3APForce a sapient creature within eye contact to obey a single verbal command. The creature will carry out the order to the best of its abilities. Orders have no time limit and do not expire. The effect of this gift cannot be turned off. This effect can occur only once per target.Taking this gift twice allow it to be used multiple times on the same target. However, you must wait a month to issue a new command to the same target, and only one command may be active at a time. Issuing a new command will overwrite the old one, if it is still active.
>>964813795AP costing Luck gift.
>>96481379Low effort bait
>>96481411it's not bait
>>96481379>Singularity (-4AP)>Can be taken onceIncreases the density of the user and any inanimate objects they are carrying with respect to everything but themselves (i.e. they can move normally), proportional to the amount they're initially carrying doubling when wearing a normal adult sized suit of armour.Makes armour more durable and allows for launching yourself easily due to increased momentum.>Great Frame (-2AP)>Can be taken once>Cannot be taken with Lithe FrameMakes the user roughly half again as large as the average member of their race and proportionally muscled.>Lithe Frame (-2AP)>Can be taken once>Cannot be taken with Great FrameMakes the user roughly half the size of the average member of their race, this does not reduce muscular ability meaning the user can move at frightening speeds and are difficult to hit.Another melee ability this one a bit more generally applicable because they're kinda useless and favours heavy armour which BPS kind of makes actively bad for most melee builds.The other two are just the same kind of fundamental perk which magic gets 14 points of.
>>96481415This is a bad image, it has hopelessly lost track of the metaphor. All there remains is fish bait related imagery. This is how art dies. Disgusting
>>96481379once again, All-glimpse saves the day, can't make eye contact if your blind and blindfolded.
>>96481379>Code Gay-ass
>>96481379Not strictly homebrew since it's a named thing in the CYOA, but I did >>96477878 last night for One's undescribed gift.To actually answer the prompt, though:>Eye for Numbers>Can be taken twice>Can't have more than two eyes>-1 APA gift invaluable to those who wish to uncover the greater truths of natural philosophy.This gift allows you to record numbers to a workspace in your field of view, visible only to you. You can perform basic arithmetic with these numbers instantaneously, in a manner similar to spreadsheets you are no doubt familiar with from earth. The gift provides no special knowledge of how to use it, but if you already know statistics or can learn it, this is an invaluable tool for analyzing the results of experimentation.Taking this twice will allow you to use the eye to instantly measure easily-observed properties like length, weight, and quantity. The definition of "easily observed" is somewhat fuzzy and depends partially on your available equipment -- things like temperature and pressure, which require specialized instruments to measure normally, would be measurable by this gift if you had those instruments or were in a part of the world where they are common, but not if you were stranded on a deserted island without supplies.
>>96481448Should be Charlie special.
>>96481425It is very strong, so weaknesses are not bad.>>96481448>The definition of "easily observed" is somewhat fuzzy and depends partially on your available equipmentPanarmament synergy. Would be even better if you could use Maker's Brush or find some gloves with that effect.
>>96481462I feel it's more Vtorusha. Charlie is beating OR physics with a hammer until it becomes earth physics, where Vtorusha actually did science on OR physics to make sense of them push the limits of the world that she actually, you know, liked.
>>96481491I miss her so much bros...
My V1 build definitely prays to Vtorusha at night.
>>96481509>V1
Does flying activate Esurient Walk, Dead Sprint and other similar leg gifts?
>>3) How much of a setback is losing Evdokia for 00's research on the Cycle of Reincarnation? Can she make another "Evdokia" in a few years?>She's a 5 point Companion. She's very important. I don't think 00 will be able to make any new moves on that field in at least a century.You did clacjam, Charlie, right, anon?
>>96481565I picked my boy Blazkho for that express purpose, yes.
>>96481556Dead sprint definitely not (it says "running" specifically). Esurient walk is more vague in its wording, but I'd think that flying kinda goes against the spirit of the gift.
>>96481556Dead Sprint specifies running, so I'd rule it doesn't work, but Esurient Walk carefully defines it as moving by your own power, so I'd say flying works with it.
>>96481565My singleplayer build did because Evdokia a cute, didn't bother in my tide build
>>96481509Does attempting to kill her Old Throne body to stop the Nightmare dumping make my build a villain then?
>>96481379>Arm of Length(-1AP)>Can be taken twice>Can't have more than two armsGift which causes the user's arm to grow longer each day. On the first day, it may grow a mere inch, but each day after, it grows twice as fast as on the previous day. Thus over time the arm can come to reach extreme lengths and grow at extreme speeds. The user's ability to move and turn their arm remains the same as if it were of normal length.When the user tells his arm "You are too long!", the process resets: the arm returns to its original length and growth speed, and the rest of the arm vanishes to nothingness.If taken twice, you have two such arms.
>>96481582>kill her Old Throne bodyThere's still the Eternal Curse and remnants of the True Dragon amalgamation. Why not just wake her up to help?
>>96481582She'd understand, anon. She still wants to live, I'm sure, but she wouldn't want to be the reason the world is destroyed. If it's her or the world, let it be the world
>>96481600Would she even be sane anymore?
>>96481605She'll be sane after she sees the D.
>>96481605Trust in the willpower of the Second.
>>96481599Autoantecedence idea:the arm doesn't just grow linearly, it also branches after a while, and you control each branch as dextrously as you'd control your arm normally. And each branch branches in turn.
>>96481379Greater Endowment (-1AP)You get big peepee/titty.
>>96481656I'm thinking we should burn this one, with fire
>>96481565How do we think 0^0 made Evi? The fact that her afterlives are dreams suggest that it's nightmare-bullshit, but she's also described as born, so probably not a manufactured nightmare monster like ???. She feels most similar to Darina and Gisela -- maybe a nightmare baptism like Gisela, but under tightly controlled conditions to produce the effect Charlie wanted?
>>96481599>>96481656SRTR would make this a thing for shits and giggles.
>>96481662All Outsiders get this by default
>>96481666>look for random Northerner baby>read JNPL-derived red paint>"I bless you with Living Afterlife"
>>96481379Grafting (-2AP)Add a limb or eye of your choice.Adding more parts than your body can support may have consequences.
>>96481379>Eyeless Oblivion>Can only be taken once>Overwrites other eye options>-5 APGift which erases all eyes and eye effects in a hundred meters radius, including your own. It is embedded in the user's eye sockets.Image: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/d/db/Jackhd.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180629003041>can't post image
>>96481662>Can be taken onceYou may only have a single large titty, no more and no less.
>>96481678Uruks don't! How lonely they must be.
>>96481678False, not a SINGLE outsider has Rathatits
>>96481694free with JNPL mother
>>96481678>Vtorusha>Yphont>Keter...No.
>>96481706Search your heart anon, you know it to be trueShame I can't seriously joke about it because for once the cyoa went out of its way to contradict it
>>96481691>erases all eyes>turns you and and your companions fucking blind+5 AP
>>96481706Charlie stole their boobs upon her False Ascent, it is the only explanation
>>96481678Keter just became an S tier mentor
why were Charlies tiddies so bigwhy
>>96481691>Erases all eyes>Eyes are the window to the soul>Therefore it erases all windows to the soul>Instantly kills evdokiaYour response eyekeks?
>>96481734mother*
>>96481739She took Ethereal Beauty.The better question is why Katya didn't get great tits despite also taking that option
>>96481706They're all using those anime bandages that makes your huge bust look like a flat board. Those 3 actually have the most humongous breasts of them all.
Why was there a thread made 11 hours ago? Anyway, time to go:>>96478474>>96478474>>96478474
>>96481752She asked not to have big tits
>>96481775How is she going to feed 11th?
>>96479993Good job, Anon!
>>96481781You're supposed to give her babies anon, not be her baby.
>>96481792One can come after the other.
>>96481792I'm taking dicefudge adoption keter, dicefudge adoption thaumiel, and ??? (never alone)
>>96481800>abusive household speedrun
>>96481800Just remember not to take the 15 DP rape victim malady.
>>96481800??? is 31, anon. Why would you do this to her.
>>96481833Somebody needs to raise anon-chan.
>>96481843This makes me disappointed that we can't dice fudge companions of appropriate age into parents. I wanna be raised by gutter-knights...
What's stopping a Pixie from diminishing a Warmachina smaller than a building and just walking around as a human-sized robot?
>>96481897NothingOr you could make a person sized warmachina pixie sized
>>96481897>>96481915Wait, can you pilot a warmachina from within a warmachina?
>>96481915>Or you could make a person sized warmachina pixie sizedNo that would defeat the whole point. The purpose of diminishing a Warmachina is just convenience. But when you need to wreck shit, something that wouldn't get squashed like a tin can is more preferable.>>96481917>Wait, can you pilot a warmachina from within a warmachina?what would be the point?
>>96481800I think taking One (with Keter) is better since somebody needs to rise Keter as well.
