Why do people still think 4E and 5E are D&D? Protip:They're not. They never were and never will be.Touch grass.
Why are you pretending that 3rd editon is D&D.Do you really think the company that makes Magic the Gathering is capable of making a true version of D&D? They're not. 3rd edition is, was, and forever will be bullshit. It's horseshit that takes all its queues from card games and video games.
>>96475556>never actually studied the game mechanicsMost of the 3.x shit already existed in 1E and 2E in some form or another, no games.
>>96475537>Touch grass.Weird, my ironymeter just blew up for some reason.
>>96475571If you ignore the glowing red signs, yeah. The defining feature of 3rd edition was feats. Which are video game bullshit.Dungeons and Dragons began to die in 1997 and finally breathed its last breath in 2000.I understand that 3rd edition is the edition YOU grew up playing. That it's, in your mind, what D&D is SUPPOSED to be. And this is because WotC fucked your brain before you even knew what was happen, and gave you their lesser, corrupted version of D&D: A pen and paper video game.But once again, I understand it. You grew up playing 3.5 D&D. You bought into the marketing and accept that this is what dungeons and dragons was. You didn't NEED any of those old books. This new book was modern and sleek and cool. You do not know what was taken from you.
>>964755375e is a watered down version of 3.5. It's all WotC's slopfest. Always has been.
Didn't need to take pot shots at 4e. It's been dead for years.
>>96475608Feats already existed in the form of certain proficiencies. It wasn't new or revolutionary.
>>96475675It was not a core system, baked into the base rules.Enjoy your vidyaslop.
>>96475680Nonweapon Proficiencies were in core 2E. What planet were you living on, juicebox?
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>>96475608Proficiencies were pretty common pre-3e. All 3e did was make them feats.3e simplified the ruleset a lot by making pretty much all non-damage rolls based off rolling at or above a TN on d20. Before then what dice you used depended on what you were doing and you might need to roll higher or lower. It cleaned up a lot of shit by doing this. Unfortunately it introduced horrendous bloat as a result. Especially in regards to HP and AC.
>>96475767This.
>>96475537>Why do people still think 4E and 5E are D&D?They are sold as D&D, with the D&D logo on the books clearly indicating they are Dungeons & Dragons products. Just because youre a shit ass troll and pathetic fuckwit doesn't stop 4e and 5e being D&D. Even if you hate them, they will still be Dungeons & Dragons.
>>964755374e is the only good version of D&D
>>96476251>>96476299Twintards.
>>96475537OD&D was the height of D&D's design, and it's all been downhill since.
>>96476372you mean basic/expert
>>96475537Shit thread where no games will congregate to chant>New bad old goodAd nauseam
>>96476584No, I don't.
>>96476372Cope
>>96476251>>96476299>Twisting reality.
>>96477133It was the only edition with an outright design goal other than "muh hulking mess of bullshit" and especially once the rough edges were sanded down it became even better. I've played every edition of D&D, 4e is the only one me and my group have ran multiple campaigns in.
>>96477242>It was the only edition with an outright design goal other than "muh hulking mess of bullshit"That's OD&D.
>>964772424E is pure shit. It's the epitome of mmorpg bullshit.
>>96477307>Nothing but buzzwordsIt plays nothing like an MMO, anon.>>96477266OD&D was a slapdash mishmash of multiple different systems and was so shoddy TSR had to have entire sections of their magazine(s) dedicated to just trying to fix it.
>>96477445>OD&D was a slapdash mishmash of multiple different systems and was so shoddy TSR had to have entire sections of their magazine(s) dedicated to just trying to fix it.Yes, it was 1974 and nobody had ever made an RPG before. However, it had an actual design goal, intended gameplay loop, and play experience.
>>96477461And it was fucking atrocious. Even the handful of people who helped make it realized this. That is why we got Basic and Advanced lines, anon - the game sucked. And even then, both of those lines were horseshit because they were so scattershot in so many ways. It's why 3e "felt" good when it launched because it somewhat attempted to fix those issues but was again riddled with "well, what if we took X and made it do Y" bullshit and had layers upon layers of tedium (cross-skill bonuses for instance, or how to do grapple mechanics). 4e decided enough was enough and focused on what worked and took the literal decades of fan commentary from mail, forums, and fansites to make the game people had been claiming they wanted>Fighters can do more than just swing a weapon>No one needed to be the mandatory cleric because every character could heal out of combat and healing potions were affordable>Combat was grand with moving parts and counters and more>Epic levels right there in core, and they made more sense than the "spheres" bullshit from BECMI/RC or crapping over martials like they did in 3e>Halflings were no longer toddlers but preteen sized which made more sense>Focused skill uses>Casters no longer needed to prepare non-combat spells in their spell slots, they could just learn a ritual>In fact, anyone with the Ritualist feat could learn rituals, so now your Barbarian could get in on helping set up magical defenses or having a floating disk haul out the treasure>Actual legit tiers of play that made sense rather than the wishy washy crap that was implied in earlier editions and now 5e>Actual rules and guidelines on how to engage the numerous kinds of party members>Actual fucking roleplay rules and guidelines, a fucking first for the game>Rangers didn't suck
>>96475537Are they still selling 1st ed AD&D? No? That could be why. It's all down to marketing and IP ownership.
>>96477665They are still selling AD&D 1e, anon, it's Print-on-Demand on DriveThru.
>>96475685No, it was an optional rule, p51 phb at the top
Replaying 3.5 based video games has reminded me of every reason I ever hated 3.5.
>>96477775Still in the Core Rulebook.
>>96477817>gaytard posts
>>96477541And then everyone screamed the rules were explained too well and too consistent and demanded 3.5 back.
>>96477775>Print on demandWith atrocious scans and “maps” across several bound pages. They’re dogshit and proof WoTC are a pale shadow of their former selves.>4e is good4e died a long time ago. It has faded quicker than even 3.5 from groups and memory. Let it die. It was a stupid idea in the first place, poorly executed with broken math, and quickly abandoned. Move on 4erries, you lost.
>>964778594e handled social stuff poorly. Hell it handled anything outside of combat poorly. The concept of at will, daily, and encounter powers were meta as hell. Healing surges were also retarded.Combat went on far too long.Honestly, it really seemed like they tried to build an RPG around a skirmish game. It creates a lot of flaws. Same as with Savage Worlds really.
>>96477881>But but but muh ritualsThey were shit and clearly tacked on. Shut the fuck up 4erries.
>>96475767Non-weapon Proficiencies are not feats, they're skills. Weapon Proficiencies are not feats either, they're proficiency with weapons.
So what are the essentials to enjoying 4E?
>>96477923Liking good game design and not liking D&D.
>>96477923You mean the Essentials to enjoying 4E!
