Why does the Imperial Navy have carriers in general? I love battleships but I also love carriers.
Is it cause Thrawn's defender got BTFO?

>>96486846
Firmly Imperial, at most you could talk about its bridge being a reference.

>>96486917
>have
I meant to type "hate"

>>96486917
They really don't. Secutor, Quasar Fire, they've got plenty of carriers. They don't have the Venator because it was an emergency wartime design which got made, and destroyed, in the thousands. Why do you think even the Rebellion isn't down for using it?

>>96486917
>>96486935
They don't? They have some dedicated vessels, almost every capital ship of theirs is a carrier at least in a minor capacity and for a good while most of their fighters and bombers required carriers to be deployed anywhere.

>>96486917
So in real life naval warfare, Carriers made Battleships obsolete due to the factor of range.

In theory, battleships were necessary for the long range of their massive canons, and the need for armor to soak up any hits they might take from enemy ships.

In practice however, planes on a carrier had so much range that carriers could sit parked in the back far from any danger, and no ammount of armor or AA could stop planes from taking you down with sufficient numbers. Hence carriers have become king ever since WW2 (though there have been few naval battles since then).

Of course, the issue is now in theory cruise missiles have way higher ranger than even jet planes do, and are much logistically simpler, which could in theory completely invalidate Carriers, but this hasn't been tested yet.

Star Wars exists in a sort of 'WW2 in Space' at least on the space-battles front. So Starfighters exist to extend the range of a starship. In theory. However this is invalidated by the fact that logically they wouldn't have the same range considerations with laser weapons. Starfighters seem to exist to do dogfights, but it seems they are capable of taking down ships. So this begs the question that's never answered, which is what's the point of main-guns if star-fighters can take down ships, or why bother fielding starfighters if your starships main guns are sufficient to take down enemy ships.

>>96486846
What an ugly ass triangle. Terrible OP.

>>96486917
There is no such thing as "navy" in Star Wars. It's "starfleet".

>>96487375
>There is no such thing as "navy" in Star Wars. It's "starfleet".

uh, anon....it's also called the navy.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy

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>>96487406
>links wookieepedia
Cringe.

The word "navy" was literally never once said in any of the movies, ever. It was only ever referred to as STARFLEET.

>LUKE: Well, I'll be at the Academy next season... after that who knows. I won't be drafted into the Imperial Starfleet that's for sure... Take care of yourself, you'll always be the best friend I've got.
>BIGGS: So long, Luke.
https://imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Wars-A-New-Hope.html

>>96487573
The "movies" (more like flicks, really) are peak redditcore. The main thing you should take away from Star Wars is the universe. Everything else about it is ass.

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>>96487375
>>96487573
Maybe I'm missing something but this whole Navy vs Starfleet debate seems kind of like a distinction without a difference, especially with SW spaceships being described using naval terms like cruisers or destroyers.
Also have some generic Jedi.

>>96487662
You are an uncultured swine, a redditor manchild.

>>96487573
Are you the same fag who has a meltdown when the Imperial Army is mentioned

>>96487765
>truth nuke is spoken
>n-no u!

>>96487844
No, it's quite obviously the exact same shitposter. When a meaningful discussion happens, which it did just the last thread, and an interesting thread question, he will come in and shit it the fuck up. Whatever the topic is, he WILL shit it up. If its Legends, he will either Pelleonclassfag spam or spam that one picture, if its Army Chads, he will spam ceaselessly about how it shouldn't exist because muh Lucas, if there's discussion on the Force, he will start Greyfagging. This is the exact same guy shitting up the thread since at least 2020, and the worst part is jannies aren't doing shit, but they're not alone. You know we could just ignore him.

>>96488231
but its NOT filonifag right?

Imperial army is pretty dumb, let's be honest.

>>96487731
>generic MOTF 1
We need justice for Ventress/Maul/Ahsoka

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>>96487375
>What an ugly ass triangle
Still better than a Pellaeon class.

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>>96487731
>some generic Jedi
I ike this. In fact, I Iike all the Jedi/Offiicer/Agent/Operative/etc kits.

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I wonder if someone out there has the original VHS versions of star wars online somewhere, that would be cool

>>96489560
I always see this cosplay posted but never the full set of images

>>96489859
That's a cosplay? I thought it was CGI.

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>>96489977
It's a cosplay. There is at least one more where she holds a lightsaber.

>>96486846
>secutor
Fractal and Saxton shit. Imperial class is as big as it needs to be, save for Executor command ships.

>>96486994
Presumably turbolasers just have enough range to obviate the whole "carrier supremacy" thing in Star Wars. Starfighter range superiority appears mainly in hyperspace equipped fighters, but that requires your carrier to be in another star system.

>>96490552
One of the better Fractal ships though. I do like a bigger carrier and it is has a more interesting figure than the rest of his ugly ass ships
Also there are only 4-12 Executors. Thinking there are more is maximalism which is a Saxtonite bullshit fantasy

>>96490561
Except that SW media consistently shows that starfighter and bomber squads with enough time can take down whole capital ships. Also every single big ship in Star Wars is a carrier. The ISD realistically can carry as much as the Venator, the 72 fighter estimate is pretty clearly outdated lore from an era that had fighters be far less relevant.
>>96486994
A lot of this is very Saxton, Star Wars shouldn't be taken this seriously ngl
Anyways most of this "unanswered question" is answered if you just play Empire At War which pretty much shows how SW naval fights work.

>>96490650
>ISD realistically
>also shouldn't be taken this seriously
Which is it.

>>96490675
"Realistically" is an expression. The point is that 72 TIE number is an outdated relic from '80s D6. If the Venator had been made back then it also would have had the same or even less TIEs. Hence we need to adapt the ISD to modern Star Wars conventions, first by eliminating retardation like the ISDII lacking PD (which is a misreading of D6, not even the intended lore) and fixing the fighter count.

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>>96490696
Genoociding them was such a waste, why not sell them to the Hutts like civilized people?
>Mandos
Nevermind, they're neither.
Gillead, get the plasma bombs.

>>96490870
Selling to the Hutts is a crime.

>>96490870
Genocide is the only solution for abominations like hutts, falleen and anzati.

Worldbuilding and campaign narrative question.

What happened to the majority of the CIS war materiel after the shutdown order went out? Was it all ordered scrapped, or did enough get surplused out and sold-with-permission (not just stolen) that there could reasonably be some private organisations out there still legally owning and operating it as a throwback? Specifically, Munificent star frigates. They are 900 metres of armed warship and to what extent is owning one or more of them likely to get Imperials breathing down someone's neck during the Dark Times? Can they slug it out with a Star Destroyer?

Reason is I'm putting together a flotilla formed about 5 years after the Clone Wars that my players are going to interact with. Dark Times era, and we're sitting around 8 years before Yavin. The players are mostly tooling around the Outer Rim and a bit of the Unknown Regions as explorers (mixture of Star Trek and old western frontier) and minor gun runners making contact with new outposts for defense.

I'm thinking that the flotilla, when they meet it, might use a modified Munificent as a base of operations (mobile, has all sorts of communications gear suitable for a base, needs minimal operating crew). But preferably without drawing Imperial attention, the organisation needs to be importantly LEGAL, so if there's smaller Clone Wars era ships that would make more sense and are available I'd happily use those instead. I thought about Dreadnoughts like Outbound Flight used, but figured they might be too much warship.

>>96491431
Some got scrapped, some shut down, some mothballed and forgotten. There are criminal groups that got their hands on some factories that weren't blown up and put them to good use.

Lucrehulk in particular is a fabulous, enduring super-freighter design that would've been a lot more prevalent in imperial times in all strata of society if many navy commanders didn't have inclination to shoot them on sight, but even with that problem it's way too good for a criminal syndicate not to use it as a mothership should they get their hands on an intact one, especially if it's still loaded with droids.
A shut down Droideka factory is another very good find.

>>96491473
I was thinking against a Lucrehulk because one already got heavily featured in Jedi Survivor and I like the design far less than I do the Munificent, but it might be an option too. Recusants and Providence I leaned away from as the former is too spindly and the latter is pure warship no questions.

>>96491606
Munificent is also viable.
You gotta understand aside from possibly provoking grognard grudge the origin of equipment doesn't matter as much outside of imperial forces proper as its grade and threat assessment, who's getting it and where.

And with regards to this, their standing with the Empire, and the local imperial force is more important. A 'security business' that's bunch of shady crooks getting their slimy paws on not just military grade equipment but a cruiser, no matter how outdated, would be bet with alarm and perhaps even preventive violence.
On the other hand if they're an upstanding security organisation, if their registration is impeccable, they have a long track record of assisting imperial authorities and hunting down infamous criminals, rebels and other terrorists, and the local authority has no reason to view them as a threat or doubt their loyalties they can secure far better privileges than general bounty hunter scum.

If it's an imperial strongpoint that needs no assistance they're going to be chased out one way or another and their special licences from a jurisdiction on the other side of the galaxy wouldn't count for much.

>>96491651
>>96491606
I would all but guarantee that nobody running around with a capital ship over 1km long - Providence 2km, Venator 1.2km, Malevolence 4.8km(!) for example - in the dark times is going to get anything less than incredibly intense scrutiny from the Empire wherever they go, if they can even legally do it at all without a vast amount of political weight to throw around. The largest corporate interests, namely the Corporate Sector which was already part of the Empire, could do things like buying Victory classes at the absolute top end, and those are about 900m.

>>96491431
The ISD is 1.6km and it is the premier mainline warship. I would say the Empire will want to see nothing that would be capable of "slugging it out" with a ISD and any large capship armadas squarely under their thumb, even organisations like the Hutts kept their fleets politely out of the way just to avoid the appearance of threat.
The Munificent might be a safe choice here if you're set on CIS hardware because I believe canonically they get shit on in most big capship engagements. They are only "pocket cruisers" and five Munificents couldn't crush outright a single Venator even if TCWlol, so someone using just one Munificent might not trigger many alarm bells.
Beneath that, you have to scale down to smaller sizes, Sil 5-6 in FFG terms to the Munificent Sil 7.

>>96486994
This is something that bothers me about the setting. Most ancillary Star Wars media loves to follow the combat pattern of starfighter = jet fighter, star destroyer = naval warship. That works for the starfighter’s scale but relating irl navy vessels to the role of ungodly huge star destroyers seems like an equivalence that doesn’t add up. No irl naval warship is even a fraction of the size of big star wars ships.

>>96491758
There's a reasonable argument that an ISD would day to day operate less like a warship and more like a mobile military base with accompanying town or city space, possibly with civilian research and admin work along for the ride. There's probably rec facilities, basketball courts, cinemas, restaurants, shops, and more. It's like a flying Pentagon, which itself about 25k people, except specialised for whatever sector they are going on tour through and armed to the teeth.

>>96491348

Hutts did nothing wrong by their civilisation's laws or mores. Love those slug bastards.